Murtha dies at 77

[me75006]

can you get into heaven using earmarks ?

:nopity:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/08/john.murtha.obit/?

[coolwhip]

Good riddance!:patriot:

[corny]

I believe that once you enter politics you are doomed to hell...

Lying, decieving, outright stealing..... aint no politicians in heaven.

:angel:

[bootlen]

I believe that once you enter politics you are doomed to hell...

Lying, decieving, outright stealing..... aint no politicians in heaven.

:angel:

And Murtha earned every penny.

[bootlen]

Good riddance!:patriot:

He shouldn'a died. He should'a been shot 2 years ago and put us out of our misery.

[glennac]

He shouldn'a died. He should'a been shot 2 years ago and put us out of our misery.

Amen to that. We sure don't need trash of his ilk. Appeaser of our mortal enemy the radical Muslims and accused our brave combat troops of murder when defending themselves. Got away on the Abscam bribery scandal as an unindicted co-conspirator. Among the worst of the garbage in the Democratic Party.

[maxpower]

Its about time!:angel:

[Joe Harper]

Looks like another vacancy for a republican.

[hearthman]

The 12th is the only district in the whole country that voted for Kerry, re-elected Murtha then voted McCain--go figure....

Lord knows what will happen with his seat. Looks like we'll need to train a new crook to fill his seat. One scumbag down but hundreds to go.

[Texas-Tech]

for sure the best news I heard all year. They said he was the first viet nam vet in congress.......what a disgrace.

[mallron]

He shouldn'a died. He should'a been shot 2 years ago and put us out of our misery.

How christian of you. :bhave:

[bootlen]

How christian of you. :bhave:

It's called fighting evil.

[hearthman]

You can't buy your way into heaven but if you want to go to hell, The Price is Right. I just hope the backlash from creeps like Murtha fans the flames of discontent higher.

[dna]

I thought you "Christians"were supposed to say, "I never agreed with Murtha's policies, but after all, he was only human, a sinner, and I hope he rests in peace." Fighting evil does not include pissing on someone's grave. You "Christians" are a funny lot.:rolleyes:

[fixacr]

I thought you "Christians"were supposed to say, "I never agreed with Murtha's policies, but after all, he was only human, a sinner, and I hope he rests in peace." Fighting evil does not include pissing on someone's grave. You "Christians" are a funny lot.:rolleyes:

Part of the "problem with Christians" is that some people think the opinion of one of us is the opinion of all of us.

I have a problem with people who claim to be Christians but hope for and rejoice over someone's death.

[glennac]

I thought you "Christians"were supposed to say, "I never agreed with Murtha's policies, but after all, he was only human, a sinner, and I hope he rests in peace." Fighting evil does not include pissing on someone's grave. You "Christians" are a funny lot.:rolleyes:

Yeah well he has never said he was sorry for what he did and ask for forgiveness. He thought he was right in supporting our enemy and trashing our combat troops for defending themselves. Do you support him? Thank you, thank you very much.

[mallron]

Yeah well he has never said he was sorry for what he did and ask for forgiveness. He thought he was right in supporting our enemy and trashing our combat troops for defending themselves. Do you support him? Thank you, thank you very much.

You have no idea what the man has asked for, forgiveness or otherwise. What, was he supposed to ask you for forgiveness????

Also, you said that he THOUGHT that he was right, just as you THINK that he was wrong, who is to say who was actually correct??? Do you get to make that distinction as well?

Furthermore, even if you completely disagree with the man, does that give you the right to act outside of the word of your religion (Christianity)? I don't think so.

CAN YOU SAY HYPOCRITE. Thank you very much. :patriot:

[coolwhip]

He was a career politician and a liar mouth...if I knew where his grave was, I would piss on it fosho!

[dna]

See ya in church coolwhip !

[coolwhip]

See ya in church coolwhip !

OK

[Integrity Aire]

Jesus said turn the other cheek, not spread em! Any victory over evil is a good thing.

[glennac]

You have no idea what the man has asked for, forgiveness or otherwise. What, was he supposed to ask you for forgiveness????

Also, you said that he THOUGHT that he was right, just as you THINK that he was wrong, who is to say who was actually correct??? Do you get to make that distinction as well?

Furthermore, even if you completely disagree with the man, does that give you the right to act outside of the word of your religion (Christianity)? I don't think so.

CAN YOU SAY HYPOCRITE. Thank you very much. :patriot:

He doesn't have to say jack to me but to America, his constituents and to all those who are in the military and all the veterans who have served in harms way for disrespecting our brave soldiers in Iraq and the military in general.

If you think he was right in what he said then please say so instead of beating around the bush. Are you an Anti American also or you just love them. Thank you, thank you very much

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_13_60/ai_n27888151/

"Two years ago, Rep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat, accused Marines of "murder" following the deaths of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha. Eager to expose the supposed atrocities of American troops.........however, a military judge dismissed the charges against Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani. Five other Marines had already had their charges dropped and another had been acquitted by a jury. Of the eight Marines originally involved in the case, only one continues to await prosecution: Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, who is accused of voluntary manslaughter. While his fate remains uncertain, one thing is guaranteed: Murtha and his media cheerleaders will not apologize to any of the men they have smeared."

http://www.usvetdsp.com/murtha_tls.htm


He also ruined the lives and families of those six men he wrongly accused and pushed for their court marshall. He owes them a lot more than a apology. Like every penny he has for the harm he has done. Again, Thank you, thank you very much

[mallron]

Glen,

Why does it matter what I think? The object of my posts in this thread was to label you and Len as hypocrites. If you can't argue against that point then I guess you have no dog in this fight. Just say that you were wrong and we can move along to the next argument.

If you believe that the man has done so much wrong while in this world then I believe the good Christian thing to do would be to pray for his soul, not crap on his memory. Yes?

Are you "Glen the angry Christian"? Is this a new religious sect that I am unaware of?

[glennac]

Glen,

Why does it matter what I think? The object of my posts in this thread was to label you and Len as hypocrites. If you can't argue against that point then I guess you have no dog in this fight. Just say that you were wrong and we can move along to the next argument.

If you believe that the man has done so much wrong while in this world then I believe the good Christian thing to do would be to pray for his soul, not crap on his memory. Yes?

Are you "Glen the angry Christian"? Is this a new religious sect that I am unaware of?

Well I am not a "angry Christian" as you say but I do have anger against that traitor Murtha. Now I answered your question. You answer mine. Do you defend him? Do you like what he said? Do you love the Anti American, anti military Democrats like Murtha? Are you an American? Are you a Democrat? How about it? Lets come clean here.

Christians have a right to be angry just like Jesus was when he chased the money changers out of the temple. Now admit you are a socialist and a anti American and we can move on from this argument. Thank you, thank you very much

[bigtime]

Well I am not a "angry Christian" as you say but I do have anger against that traitor Murtha. Now I answered your question. You answer mine. Do you defend him? Do you like what he said? Do you love the Anti American, anti military Democrats like Murtha? Are you an American? Are you a Democrat? How about it? Lets come clean here.

Christians have a right to be angry just like Jesus was when he chased the money changers out of the temple. Now admit you are a socialist and a anti American and we can move on from this argument. Thank you, thank you very much

I think there was one bad guy in Haditha who caused a lot of innocent people to get killed. This trickled down to a lot of okay guys to get accused of being killers, and a politician with a concience to be labled a traitor.

[mallron]

Well I am not a "angry Christian" as you say but I do have anger against that traitor Murtha. Now I answered your question. You answer mine. Do you defend him? Do you like what he said? Do you love the Anti American, anti military Democrats like Murtha? Are you an American? Are you a Democrat? How about it? Lets come clean here.

Christians have a right to be angry just like Jesus was when he chased the money changers out of the temple. Now admit you are a socialist and a anti American and we can move on from this argument. Thank you, thank you very much

I'm not sure why you continue to make this about me. But since you insist on me answering your questions, I will.

1. No, I don't defend him.

2. I don't know what he said.

3. No, I don't love Murtha, heck, I don't even know him.

4. Yes, I am an American.

5. No, I'm not a Democrat....or a Republican for that matter. Frankly, I would be embarrassed to be associated with either group.

Again, this isn't about me, Murtha or politics in general. It's about you being hypocritical.

[RoBoTeq]

I agree with those who say that we Christians who wish others dead and make disparaging remarks such as we would piss on someone's grave are not acting very Christ like. Then again, we are not Christ and know we can never be as good and loving as Christ.

Just because we often fail in our quest to be more Christ like does not make us bad Christians, just regular old bad thinking mortals.

Murtha needed to go. I don't wish anyone ill, but I believe it is best for the masses when some are deprived of a continued mortal life. In the end, we all wind up in our own spiritual destiny. What happens to Murtha in his eternal spiritual life is no concern of anyone but God. But if we are flawed to wish someone like Murtha to no longer breath air that others could be breathing, then we are flawed indeed.

No hypocrites here, just flawed mortals not being able to live up to our goals in seeking to be like Christ.

[glennac]

I'm not sure why you continue to make this about me. But since you insist on me answering your questions, I will.

1. No, I don't defend him.

2. I don't know what he said.

3. No, I don't love Murtha, heck, I don't even know him.

4. Yes, I am an American.

5. No, I'm not a Democrat....or a Republican for that matter. Frankly, I would be embarrassed to be associated with either group.

Again, this isn't about me, Murtha or politics in general. It's about you being hypocritical.

No it is about you defending Murtha and you know what he said I posted it for you and if you think I'm lying then you look it up assuming you know how to google. I don't carry my religion on my sleeve and I am not a "perfect" Christian so to speak and I do not fit into your belief of what a Christian ought to be so how is that.

I am no hypocrite and if you can find a post where "Christians" are supposed to forgive those who have never asked for forgiveness then show it or stop spreading falsehoods in defense of your socialist hero Murtha. You have posted before and always have taken a very "liberal" point of view and now you are claiming not to be a Democrat what a joke.

You are the hypocrite on this forum always taking the liberal position and not claiming to be a Democrat. Did you or did you not vote for Obama? I say you did based on your past posts on here. Thank you, thank you very much.

[bootlen]

You have no idea what the man has asked for, forgiveness or otherwise. What, was he supposed to ask you for forgiveness????

Also, you said that he THOUGHT that he was right, just as you THINK that he was wrong, who is to say who was actually correct??? Do you get to make that distinction as well?

Furthermore, even if you completely disagree with the man, does that give you the right to act outside of the word of your religion (Christianity)? I don't think so.

CAN YOU SAY HYPOCRITE. Thank you very much. :patriot:

He was pretty vociferous in his wrongly applied accusations. He should be just a vociferous with his apologies. Since he never did, one can only assume he never changed his mind.

He was a traitor...plain and simple.

[RoBoTeq]

Gee whiz Glenn, I coulda swore mallron stated that he was not a republican and would even be embarrassed to be associated with either party. Can't say I blame him much.

And c'mon Glenn; we have the right as Americans to say or not say who we vote for. It is the leftists supporting the unions that are trying to take that right from us as workers, don't support that attitude by trying to take that right away from political voters. Americans have the right to vote without disclosing how we vote. This keeps the bullies from getting an upper hand as they did during the Tammany Hall political days.

[mallron]

Glen,

Re-read my post. I said that I'm not a Demorcrat or a Republican and that I would be embarassed to be associated with either group. Also, I don't think that I take the liberal POV at all, I just like to come here and raise the BS flag, that's all. I very rarely talk politics here or anywhere else.


How do you know that Murtha didn't ask for forgiveness? Why do you continue to sidestep my questions? I believe that I've answered all of your questions, now would you kindly go back and actually READ some of my posts so that you can answer mine?


Robo- I knew that I could count on you to show up sooner or later. Question, how is it not hypocritical for a professed Christian to KNOWINGLY behave in a manner that directly contradicts their religion? How do you define hypocrite? I'd say a hypocrite was a person who acts in contradiction to their stated beliefs. What makes it worse is the guy is trying to defend his position, wrong is wrong.

[mallron]

He was pretty vociferous in his wrongly applied accusations. He should be just a vociferous with his apologies. Since he never did, one can only assume he never changed his mind.

He was a traitor...plain and simple.

Ok, I'll take that, but this was never about him. It was about a comment that you made and Glen's defense of it.

[bootlen]

Ok, I'll take that, but this was never about him. It was about a comment that you made and Glen's defense of it.

I made it. I stand by it. He was a traitor. The law calls for a summary courts-martial and summary execution of traitors.

He should have been shot.

[RoBoTeq]

Robo- I knew that I could count on you to show up sooner or later. Question, how is it not hypocritical for a professed Christian to KNOWINGLY behave in a manner that directly contradicts their religion? How do you define hypocrite? I'd say a hypocrite was a person who acts in contradiction to their stated beliefs. What makes it worse is the guy is trying to defend his position, wrong is wrong.
I agree with your assessment of a hypocrite. There are Christians who are very much hypocrites, just as in any organization. What I am saying is that striving to be like Christ and failing at it is not hypocritical for those of us who admit being flawed.

[mallron]

I agree with your assessment of a hypocrite. There are Christians who are very much hypocrites, just as in any organization. What I am saying is that striving to be like Christ and failing at it is not hypocritical for those of us who admit being flawed.

Good man, honest answer. So I guess when some of us admit to being flawed then the long drawn-out conversation can end.

[RoBoTeq]

Good man, honest answer. So I guess when some of us admit to being flawed then the long drawn-out conversation can end.
I would like to think the admittance of being flawed would open conversation that can be more positive. For example, I feel that Murtha's stand on the war in Iraq, especially some of his inflammatory comments about our military men being murderers, is enough to cause Murtha to be tried for treason against our country. Then again, I don't believe Christians are given the right to judge others and are in fact taught that only God can judge man. So, I have a theological dilema within myself that I cannot seem to rectify.

Back to hypocrites, Murtha is a fine example of a person being a hypocrite for his back and forth stands concerning Iraq which depended on his special interests rather then for the good of the nation.

[glennac]

Glen,

Re-read my post. I said that I'm not a Demorcrat or a Republican and that I would be embarassed to be associated with either group. Also, I don't think that I take the liberal POV at all, I just like to come here and raise the BS flag, that's all. I very rarely talk politics here or anywhere else.


How do you know that Murtha didn't ask for forgiveness? Why do you continue to sidestep my questions? I believe that I've answered all of your questions, now would you kindly go back and actually READ some of my posts so that you can answer mine?


Robo- I knew that I could count on you to show up sooner or later. Question, how is it not hypocritical for a professed Christian to KNOWINGLY behave in a manner that directly contradicts their religion? How do you define hypocrite? I'd say a hypocrite was a person who acts in contradiction to their stated beliefs. What makes it worse is the guy is trying to defend his position, wrong is wrong.

I have answered your questions and you need to reread my posts because you can't understand English. I don't accept your definition of what a Christian needs to be and I am not a perfect Christian. Nor do I enter into the heavy theological debates here. You can take that and shove it. Do I need to tell that to you again.

When posting on ARP you have always taken a liberal position just like you are now attacking conservatives and Christianity because we don't like your hero that anti American, anti military Murtha. Did you not vote for that commie Obama? Yes or not. Please answer that.

Murtha never I repeat never has apologized for his false accusations (made them before any evidence was given other than an leftest article in the NYT accusing the Marines of murder). It would have been all over the news and all but the most radical leftest Democrats would have cut him some slack then but he never did. Do you doubt me? Can you show where he ever has in anyway? You can't and if you could I would apologize myself but radical Democrats never apologize for anything. Thank you very much

[coolwhip]

Its a good thing Im not a Christian!:patriot:

In any case, I didnt wish him dead....Im just glad that he is dead. :)

[mallron]

I have answered your questions and you need to reread my posts because you can't understand English. I don't accept your definition of what a Christian needs to be and I am not a perfect Christian. Nor do I enter into the heavy theological debates here. You can take that and shove it. Do I need to tell that to you again.

When posting on ARP you have always taken a liberal position just like you are now attacking conservatives and Christianity because we don't like your hero that anti American, anti military Murtha. Did you not vote for that commie Obama? Yes or not. Please answer that.

Murtha never I repeat never has apologized for his false accusations (made them before any evidence was given other than an leftest article in the NYT accusing the Marines of murder). It would have been all over the news and all but the most radical leftest Democrats would have cut him some slack then but he never did. Do you doubt me? Can you show where he ever has in anyway? You can't and if you could I would apologize myself but radical Democrats never apologize for anything. Thank you very much

I see this conversation is going nowhere. :argue: You're becoming delusional, this was never a political debate. I also never attacked anyone or anything, I simply asked a question.

You say the man never apologized, okay. Then you say he never asked for forgiveness, well those are two different things in my view. How do you know what he prayed for before he went to bed at night(assuming he prayed at all)?


I don't accept your definition of what a Christian needs to be and I am not a perfect Christian.
I don't believe anyone is a 'perfect' anything, but you could probably be a 'better' Christian than you are now if you tried a little harder.

[RoBoTeq]

Its a good thing Im not a Christian!:patriot:

In any case, I didnt wish him dead....Im just glad that he is dead. :)
That's a better way to think of it. Results the same, but there's no blame.

[bootlen]

Okay, mallron. Good point. There IS a difference between admitting being wrong and asking forgiveness. But, even then, it depends on a number of things.

To confess, by definition, is to agree with the law. It is an admission to guilt or wrongdoing. One can do that without asking forgiveness or being forgiven.

But if one confesses but continues in wrongdoing, what does that say about the confessor?

Or what if the wrongdoer never confesses? He either disagrees with the law or he has placed himself above the law.

Judge: to pass sentence; to condemn

It is true that we (individuals) are not to judge in our hearts. Only Jesus Christ will judge (in the eternal sense).
However, laws of the land are ordained by God and we are to obey those laws unless they are contradictory to God's law. And the book of Romans shows us that capital punishment is not contradictory to God's law. ("For the king does not bear the sword for nothing.") And our law of the land calls for individuals to occasionally sit in judgment of the legal or illegal activities of one charged with violation of the law of the land. This is in accordance with God's will because it is God who instituted government.

Now I know Robo is going to disagree because it does not fit into what he wants in his tiny little world but all I have posted here is backed by Scripture as well as the law of the land.

[mallron]

To confess, by definition, is to agree with the law. It is an admission to guilt or wrongdoing. One can do that without asking forgiveness or being forgiven.

Yup.


But if one confesses but continues in wrongdoing, what does that say about the confessor?

My guess would be that he's insincere.


Or what if the wrongdoer never confesses? He either disagrees with the law or he has placed himself above the law.

Ok.


Judge: to pass sentence; to condemn

It is true that we (individuals) are not to judge in our hearts. Only Jesus Christ will judge (in the eternal sense).
However, laws of the land are ordained by God and we are to obey those laws unless they are contradictory to God's law. And the book of Romans shows us that capital punishment is not contradictory to God's law. ("For the king does not bear the sword for nothing.") And our law of the land calls for individuals to occasionally sit in judgment of the legal or illegal activities of one charged with violation of the law of the land. This is in accordance with God's will because it is God who instituted government.

I'm fine with this. Not to say that I agree wholeheartedly, but I'm okay with it.

Now, after a man has died, be it by execution or natural causes, is it acceptable for a professed Christian to dance on his grave, kick over his tombstone, sully his name, or simply pray for his soul? :anyone:

Remember, YOU are not the judge.

[RoBoTeq]

Okay, mallron. Good point. There IS a difference between admitting being wrong and asking forgiveness. But, even then, it depends on a number of things.

To confess, by definition, is to agree with the law. It is an admission to guilt or wrongdoing. One can do that without asking forgiveness or being forgiven.

But if one confesses but continues in wrongdoing, what does that say about the confessor?

Or what if the wrongdoer never confesses? He either disagrees with the law or he has placed himself above the law.

Judge: to pass sentence; to condemn

It is true that we (individuals) are not to judge in our hearts. Only Jesus Christ will judge (in the eternal sense).
However, laws of the land are ordained by God and we are to obey those laws unless they are contradictory to God's law. And the book of Romans shows us that capital punishment is not contradictory to God's law. ("For the king does not bear the sword for nothing.") And our law of the land calls for individuals to occasionally sit in judgment of the legal or illegal activities of one charged with violation of the law of the land. This is in accordance with God's will because it is God who instituted government.

Now I know Robo is going to disagree because it does not fit into what he wants in his tiny little world but all I have posted here is backed by Scripture as well as the law of the land.
I agree with observatory laws from the New Testament and with the Ten Commandments, which if we just become as Jesus commanded us to love one another as He loves us, every other law will fall into line. If only we were that good.

[RoBoTeq]

Now, after a man has died, be it by execution or natural causes, is it acceptable for a professed Christian to dance on his grave, kick over his tombstone, sully his name, or simply pray for his soul? :anyone:

Remember, YOU are not the judge.
Of course we all know what the correct answer is to this question. Most times I can control my faith and not judge, sometimes not. Either way, whether I wrongly judge the person who has died or even act the fool and desecrate his name or remains, I still pray for each and every soul and I know that some who I would condemn will be with God and I may not.

[bootlen]

Now, after a man has died, be it by execution or natural causes, is it acceptable for a professed Christian to dance on his grave, kick over his tombstone, sully his name, or simply pray for his soul? :anyone:

Remember, YOU are not the judge.

Praying for a person who has died physically is a waste of time and violates the will of God so that is out.

As to the rest, would YOU judge those who do such things?

[RoBoTeq]

Praying for a person who has died physically is a waste of time and violates the will of God so that is out.

As to the rest, would YOU judge those who do such things?
You don't pray for the souls of the deceased?

Not a matter of who would or would not judge, it is a matter of scripture telling us we have the right to judge or not.

[RoBoTeq]

You don't pray for the souls of the deceased?

Not a matter of who would or would not judge, it is a matter of scripture telling us we have the right to judge or not.
I must recant my question about praying for the dead. It seems I have let RCC teachings into my beliefs. I was thinking that it is not right to pray "to" the dead, and it is definitely not, but was thinking that prayers "for" the dead was acceptable and desired. Seems I am mistaken in that thought.

[maxpower]

He was a career politician and a liar mouth...if I knew where his grave was, I would piss on it fosho!

They will be screwing him into the ground in the next couple of days. In Johnstown,Pa.

[RoBoTeq]

It is a shame that a man who had honorably served his country would reverse that good by allowing money and power corrupt him.

[glennac]

It is a shame that a man who had honorably served his country would reverse that good by allowing money and power corrupt him.

Even turned on his own and caused some much damage to six families it is beyond description. What a rat. Thank you very much.

[maxpower]

He was a thug and a bulley on the local pa. scene. Now his wife is going to try take his seat. lol

[bootlen]

You don't pray for the souls of the deceased?

Sure don't. Scripture says not to.

Not a matter of who would or would not judge, it is a matter of scripture telling us we have the right to judge or not.

Just pointing out hypocrisy to hypocrits. That's all.

And while we are not to judge (pass sentence) as individuals, we ARE called to discern good/evil and shed light on evil.

You should know by now, I use hyperbole fairly often.

[bootlen]

It is a shame that a man who had honorably served his country would reverse that good by allowing money and power corrupt him.

Agree. But he's not he first and likely won't be the last.

[bootlen]

They will be screwing him into the ground...

Which will be necessary because he was so crooked.

[maxpower]

Which will be necessary because he was so crooked.

yep...point made..lol

[RoBoTeq]

Agree. But he's not he first and likely won't be the last.
Pretty much what a lot of the Bible books are about. I just read Stephen King's; Under the Dome, and there is a main character who justifies every horrible thing he does as being from God.

Even Jim Jones had good intentions, did good things and was honored by the White House for his humanitarianism. Maybe that's one of the reasons that deeds are not only not required to be with God in heaven but are actually deemed to only worthy of the physical world. It does seem that there are many who are corrupted through their good deeds.

[glennac]

Pretty much what a lot of the Bible books are about. I just read Stephen King's; Under the Dome, and there is a main character who justifies every horrible thing he does as being from God.

Even Jim Jones had good intentions, did good things and was honored by the White House for his humanitarianism. Maybe that's one of the reasons that deeds are not only not required to be with God in heaven but are actually deemed to only worthy of the physical world. It does seem that there are many who are corrupted through their good deeds.

Funny I'm not aware of any good deeds he did. He took married women into his "harem". He forbade sex among his members outside of himself of course and he was bisexual forcing boys and men to have sex with him to have power over them.

He joined the Communist Party USA in 1951 and remained a Marxist all his life. Everything he did was to benefit him and his lust. The death toll in Jonestown was 909 the biggest massacre of Americans up till 911. Please let us know what good he did as I have never heard of any.

Perhaps you are just trying to find some good in an evil man but I don't think you will be able to find it this time. Thank you, thank you very much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

[RoBoTeq]

Funny I'm not aware of any good deeds he did. He took married women into his "harem". He forbade sex among his members outside of himself of course and he was bisexual forcing boys and men to have sex with him to have power over them.

He joined the Communist Party USA in 1951 and remained a Marxist all his life. Everything he did was to benefit him and his lust. The death toll in Jonestown was 909 the biggest massacre of Americans up till 911. Please let us know what good he did as I have never heard of any.

Perhaps you are just trying to find some good in an evil man but I don't think you will be able to find it this time. Thank you, thank you very much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
Well Glenn, when all you read is from sources that cater to what you already believe, you don't very well get the whole story about people or events. You never know about the good side of a person you don't like or the bad side of a person you do.

[glennac]

Well Glenn, when all you read is from sources that cater to what you already believe, you don't very well get the whole story about people or events. You never know about the good side of a person you don't like or the bad side of a person you do.

Funny though you haven't posted one good thing that this evil man did and haven't challenged the evil that he has done. Please post a good deed that he did. I doubt that you can find one. I am waiting. You are just guessing here robo or you would have posted it. Perhaps you can find one good thing that Stalin has done also. I will gladly wait for your good deed on either man. My link was from "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" not some weird source. Thank you, thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

Funny though you haven't posted one good thing that this evil man did and haven't challenged the evil that he has done. Please post a good deed that he did. I doubt that you can find one. I am waiting. You are just guessing here robo or you would have posted it. Perhaps you can find one good thing that Stalin has done also. I will gladly wait for your good deed on either man. My link was from "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" not some weird source. Thank you, thank you very much.
Jim Jones was obviously a very disturbed man all of his life, but he did do some good and was recognized by Rossylyn Carter and California politicians for his doing so.

Jones was a devout Communist in the Marxist fashion of truly believing in the betterment of people through communal living. Jones bettered the lives of many of his parishoners from Indiana who were very poor and uneducated. Jones used combined finances from the welfare money these people received to make a better existance for them. So, that was the good that Jones did.

It's a real shame that leftist leaders cannot put their Socialist attitude to better use with the poor. Unfortunately, the U.S. puts a negative stigma on Socialist methods of helping the poor by insisting that we all have equal rights to material things rather then the equal right to pursue material things. I have been poor, and my family has been grateful for the assistance from the government in the form of neccesities such as food and shelter. We enjoyed the 5 pound block of cheese and gallon of peanut butter that we received every month. When my dad was able to make enough money for us to live on, then we started buying TV's and the such.

There is no shame in being poor. Jim Jones took away the shame that was felt by his parisheners. That was a good thing.

[glennac]

Jim Jones was obviously a very disturbed man all of his life, but he did do some good and was recognized by Rossylyn Carter and California politicians for his doing so.

Jones was a devout Communist in the Marxist fashion of truly believing in the betterment of people through communal living. Jones bettered the lives of many of his parishoners from Indiana who were very poor and uneducated. Jones used combined finances from the welfare money these people received to make a better existance for them. So, that was the good that Jones did.

It's a real shame that leftist leaders cannot put their Socialist attitude to better use with the poor. Unfortunately, the U.S. puts a negative stigma on Socialist methods of helping the poor by insisting that we all have equal rights to material things rather then the equal right to pursue material things. I have been poor, and my family has been grateful for the assistance from the government in the form of neccesities such as food and shelter. We enjoyed the 5 pound block of cheese and gallon of peanut butter that we received every month. When my dad was able to make enough money for us to live on, then we started buying TV's and the such.

There is no shame in being poor. Jim Jones took away the shame that was felt by his parisheners. That was a good thing.

Don't quite buy it but I'll let you slide here robo. Only far leftest and radical Californian politicians praised him like the queer Harvey Milk, Wille Brown, George Moscone (mayor of SF), etc. and Rossylyn Carter who posed for a picture with John Wayne Gacy the mass child homosexual murderer. She couldn't distinguish between pure evil and a saint.

He gave his congregation the false hope of socialism and communism and brainwashed them into thinking this was good. That is all I can see and for me there was no good. Thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

Don't quite buy it but I'll let you slide here robo. Only far leftest and radical Californian politicians praised him like the queer Harvey Milk, Wille Brown, George Moscone (mayor of SF), etc. and Rossylyn Carter who posed for a picture with John Wayne Gacy the mass child homosexual murderer. She couldn't distinguish between pure evil and a saint.

He gave his congregation the false hope of socialism and communism and brainwashed them into thinking this was good. That is all I can see and for me there was no good. Thank you very much.
Your last line could very well be the most accurate. I just believe that people start out doing good deeds that are perverted by evil. That is my point, deeds are of this Earth in the physical realm that God Created and gave Satan dominion over. Therefore, deeds are only relevant for our lives as mortals. Deeds can serve their mortal purpose or become steeped in evil, and so are not a factor for salvation.

[kmartj91]

"She couldn't distinguish between pure evil and a saint.

He gave his congregation the false hope of socialism and communism and brainwashed them into thinking this was good. That is all I can see and for me there was no good. Thank you very much. "


I agree with Glennac, most who view the world through the same prism as Jim Jones,Rossylyn Carter,Harvey Milk and Karl Marx did and taught are (in my opinion) either naive or manipulative, either way they are very dangerous.The problem with removing God from the equation is that you open yourself and society up to all manner of interpretation, "who is to say Jim Jones was wrong" becomes a valid arguement because we become our own Gods able to determine for ourselves right from wrong, ie. Socialism and Communism(Hitler and Stalin).

[RoBoTeq]

"She couldn't distinguish between pure evil and a saint.

He gave his congregation the false hope of socialism and communism and brainwashed them into thinking this was good. That is all I can see and for me there was no good. Thank you very much. "


I agree with Glennac, most who view the world through the same prism as Jim Jones,Rossylyn Carter,Harvey Milk and Karl Marx did and taught are (in my opinion) either naive or manipulative, either way they are very dangerous.The problem with removing God from the equation is that you open yourself and society up to all manner of interpretation, "who is to say Jim Jones was wrong" becomes a valid arguement because we become our own Gods able to determine for ourselves right from wrong, ie. Socialism and Communism(Hitler and Stalin).Are you lost?