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bootlen
01-30-2010, 11:18 AM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Obama-gives-Interpol-free-hand-in-U_S_-8697583-80291137.html
Once again, BO moves us closer to socialistic state.
RoBoTeq
01-30-2010, 11:24 AM
If this were done by a Republican president, we would be assuming the reason is so that Interpol would be able to do with suspected terrorists what American law cannot. I wonder what the motivation behind President Obama is.
bootlen
01-30-2010, 11:26 AM
I think he's actively running for EOTUW.
printer2
01-30-2010, 11:47 AM
By executive order 12425, issued in 1983, President Reagan recognized Interpol as an international organization and gave it some of the privileges and immunities customarily extended to foreign diplomats. Interpol, however, is also an active law-enforcement agency, so critical privileges and immunities (set forth in Section 2(c) of the International Organizations Immunities Act) were withheld. Specifically, Interpol's property and assets remained subject to search and seizure, and its archived records remained subject to public scrutiny under provisions like the Freedom of Information Act. Being constrained by the Fourth Amendment, FOIA, and other limitations of the Constitution and federal law that protect the liberty and privacy of Americans is what prevents law-enforcement and its controlling government authority from becoming tyrannical.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY=
So now Interpol can not have its property confiscated.
That is, Interpol's property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable.
I think it keeps their investigations safe from prying eyes. It gives them no more power to operate on your soil.
k-fridge
01-30-2010, 12:10 PM
Sadly, exactly what I would expect from BO.
Someday, the rest of you might finally figure out what this guy is and why he was put here.
bootlen
01-30-2010, 12:46 PM
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY=
So now Interpol can not have its property confiscated.
I think it keeps their investigations safe from prying eyes. It gives them no more power to operate on your soil.
It does not stop there. It also allows Interpol to investigate and arrest US citizens on US soil at will.
engineerdave
01-30-2010, 12:57 PM
I would want to reserve judgement until I've heard an explanation, but it seems unlikely a satisfactory explanation will be offered up.
If this is actually true, then how do we undo the thing before it's too late?
coolwhip
01-30-2010, 01:05 PM
Heres another article....apparently, conservatives are the only ones squaking about it.
NY Times
WASHINGTON — Conservative bloggers and opinion outlets in recent days have expressed mounting alarm about an executive order by President Obama that extended certain privileges and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization, better known as Interpol.
Bloggers have accused Mr. Obama of ceding American sovereignty, painting a portrait of an international police force operating on United States soil without legal restraints. They have also argued that the order is part of a plot to allow international courts to arrest and prosecute American officials for war crimes.
That theme is making its way from the blogosphere to more mainstream news outlets.
In a Web post for the conservative National Review last week, the commentator Andrew C. McCarthy declared that an “international police force” could now operate inside the United States “unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law.” He also suggested that the order created in the Justice Department “a repository for stashing government files” beyond the reach of Congress and the public.
And an editorial in The Washington Examiner this week declared that “this new directive from Obama may be the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties.”
Obama administration and Interpol officials say the fears and accusations are based on ignorance about how Interpol works and about the context and impact of the order, which was issued on Dec. 17 without any statement.
“There is nothing newsworthy here,” said Christina Reynolds, a White House spokeswoman.
Contrary to its portrayal in some movies, Interpol has no police force that conducts investigations and makes arrests. Rather, it serves its 188 member countries by working as a clearinghouse for police departments in different nations to share law enforcement information — like files on wanted criminals and terrorists, stolen cars and passports, and notices that a law enforcement agency has issued an arrest warrant for a fugitive.
In the United States, a bureau at the Justice Department staffed by American officials transmits information between law enforcement agencies and Interpol. If a foreign country issues an arrest warrant for a person inside the United States, it is up to the United States government, based on its own laws, to decide whether to apprehend the suspect.
“We don’t send officers into the field to arrest people; we don’t have agents that go investigate crimes,” said Rachel Billington, an Interpol spokeswoman. “This is always done by the national police in the member country under their national laws.”
When public international organizations are operating on United States soil, a law allows the president to grant them certain rights and immunities, just as foreign embassies receive privileges. More than 70 organizations — including the International Committee of the Red Cross, the World Bank and the International Pacific Halibut Commission — receive those rights.
In 1983, President Ronald Reagan extended some rights — including immunity from lawsuits or prosecution for official acts — to Interpol, which was holding its annual meeting in the United States. But Mr. Reagan’s order did not include other standard privileges — like immunity from certain tax requirements and from having its property or records subject to search and seizure — because at the time, Interpol had no permanent office or employees on United States soil
printer2
01-30-2010, 03:49 PM
It does not stop there. It also allows Interpol to investigate and arrest US citizens on US soil at will.
As far as I can remember they do none of the above. Could you show where you got this information?
bootlen
01-30-2010, 04:28 PM
As far as I can remember they do none of the above. Could you show where you got this information?
Had it earlier this week. I'll have to look for it again.
printer2
01-30-2010, 04:47 PM
Had it earlier this week. I'll have to look for it again.
Don't sweat it. Posted that before I read coolwhip's post. It confirmed my thoughts Interpol does not send cops out around the world.
glennac
01-30-2010, 05:01 PM
Don't sweat it. Posted that before I read coolwhip's post. It confirmed my thoughts Interpol does not send cops out around the world.
Yeah but what is there need to be here? We already share info with them. They can find out all they want sitting in an office in Brussels with a computer and phone. Thank you very much.
printer2
01-30-2010, 07:45 PM
Yeah but what is there need to be here? We already share info with them. They can find out all they want sitting in an office in Brussels with a computer and phone. Thank you very much.
Actually it is more they share the information they have. I would think it would be the same way as dealing with salesmen and company representatives. I have done business over the internet with people but sometimes knowing the person makes life so much easier. And especially in law enforcement it seems every department protects its own turf. Politics sometimes says you need a person on the ground.
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