Fired for saying homosexuality is wrong

[Hugh B]

Here is a man who claims he was fired for saying homosexuality is wrong in response to his manager obviously looking for a response.

This sort of thing is creeping up on us. As a Christian I am slowly being forced out of my faith beliefs to the point of not being able to even comment according to my personal ethical-moral beliefs even when pushed to comment.

But, the immoral are able to flaunt their private livestyles in the face of all others and then hope someone says something so they can file charges. Things are getting interesting, the America I grew up in is changing and not for the better.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114779

[bootlen]

Get used to it. The Hate Crimes Bill was just passed as a rider with a military funding bill.

The "fun" is just about to begin.

[WhoIsThat?]

Whoever has more political pull in your local area is, by definition, 'right.'
If the forces are equally balanced, the authorities don't know whether to sh!t or go blind, and that is something I watch with a mixture of enjoyment and disgust.

[o-ring]

Would he have been fired if he said hetero was wrong.

[Hugh B]

Would he have been fired if he said hetero was wrong.

Nope.

[o-ring]

Maybe he will get his job back if he wears a nice new Turban to work.

[Hugh B]

Maybe he will get his job back if he wears a nice new Turban to work.

Nope. They are teaching Christians to shut up and keep their morality to themselves. Clearly censorship.

[WhoIsThat?]

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[geerair]

As a Christian I am slowly being forced out of my faith beliefs to the point of not being able to even comment according to my personal ethical-moral beliefs even when pushed to comment.Smashing!!!!! Intolerance and ancient, rotten superstitions have no place in the modern world.

[Hugh B]

Smashing!!!!! Intolerance and ancient, rotten superstitions have no place in the modern world.

geer, I saw you lerking and knew I could draw you into this thread, and I was correct. :)

[geerair]

geer, I saw you lerking and knew I could draw you into this thread, and I was correct. :)Yes, I notice you abandoned the sharia thread which gives you more time to post silly comments.

[glennac]

Smashing!!!!! Intolerance and ancient, rotten superstitions have no place in the modern world.

Keep it up geer and you will get in the first row of the next gay pride day parade in your home town. good for you. I knew you could do it.

[scrogdog]

Yes, I notice you abandoned the sharia thread which gives you more time to post silly comments.

He does that, as I pointed out in another topic some time ago. Get used to it. It's a trend. A motif.

[printer2]

Nope. They are teaching Christians to shut up and keep their morality to themselves.

Actually if all religions did the same the world might be a better place.

[Hugh B]

Actually if all religions did the same the world might be a better place.

Should religious people have the right to free speech and the right to vote?

[printer2]

Yes religious people have the right to free speech and the right to vote. But that does not change the reasoning behind my statement.

[geerair]

Keep it up geer and you will get in the first row of the next gay pride day parade in your home town. good for you. I knew you could do it.Why I would be honored. Alas the state of my knees would restrict my role to that of an observer.

Speaking of gay parades, we had the entertaining experience of observing the Southern Decadence Parade in New Orleans from the balcony of our hotel. Damn, what a scene. All other parades seem dim and colorless compared to this one, even Mardi Gras.


Get on down to N.O. and see it for yourself. I guarantee you won't be bored.


New Orleans tip: Clover Grill for breakfast.........good old southern breakfast the way Stonewall Jackson's mother made it. I especially like the biscuits and sausage gravy. The Bourbon St. Clover has a big, black, queer as a three dollar bill waiter named Earl who will entertain and keep you laughing the whole time.

[geerair]

Actually if all religions did the same the world might be a better place.Amen!

[geerair]

Should religious people have the right to free speech and the right to vote?Certainly. Even those burdened with ancient superstitions have rights.

[geerair]

He does that, as I pointed out in another topic some time ago. Get used to it. It's a trend. A motif.A motif? :eek:

Maybe you should be in the first row of Glenn's gay pride parade? :yes:

[skizot]

Actually if all religions did the same the world might be a better place.
Exactly.

[scrogdog]

A motif? :eek:

Maybe you should be in the first row of Glenn's gay pride parade? :yes:

Let me check my schedule... oh! Wait! I'm doing the commie pride parade that day.

Maybe next time. ;)

[WhoIsThat?]

the commie pride parade that day.

And here I thought you were joking. . .
http://www.myspace.com/birdkearse93

[glennac]

Why I would be honored. Alas the state of my knees would restrict my role to that of an observer.

Speaking of gay parades, we had the entertaining experience of observing the Southern Decadence Parade in New Orleans from the balcony of our hotel. Damn, what a scene. All other parades seem dim and colorless compared to this one, even Mardi Gras.


Get on down to N.O. and see it for yourself. I guarantee you won't be bored.


New Orleans tip: Clover Grill for breakfast.........good old southern breakfast the way Stonewall Jackson's mother made it. I especially like the biscuits and sausage gravy. The Bourbon St. Clover has a big, black, queer as a three dollar bill waiter named Earl who will entertain and keep you laughing the whole time.

Surprised you didn't participate since you enjoyed it so much. Wonder why you were in N.O on that weekend?:couchhide::eek2::det::D:whistle: Thank you very much for sharing with us.:)

[printer2]

Why I would be honored. Alas the state of my knees would restrict my role to that of an observer.



I just could not let this one slip by.

Not bring up images of participants on their knees in a gay parade but... ...oh never mind.

[mrs reb77]

And here I was thinking his knees had worn out from...something...:angel:

[Hugh B]

And here I was thinking his knees had worn out from...something...:angel:

He must have been praying

[mrs reb77]

Ahhh, that would explain it perfectly. I'm sure he has more than some of us do to pray over as well...

[printer2]

I could have gone farther in life if I learned to shut my mouth and get on my knees. Well maybe not in that order.

[geerair]

Wonder why you were in N.O on that weekend? Raising hell in the French Quarter and stuffing Cajun food down my neck.

Besides carousing and gluttony, the main purpose was to see the old man's commemorative brick at the D-Day Museum.

[toolsrules]

:oops:
Funny how those that dont believe always ignore whats right infront of their face.
Its like that famous quote " God himself could not sink this ship".
Well we all know how that went and that whole thing of being exactly the right distance from the sun how does that work?

[RoBoTeq]

I could have gone farther in life if I learned to shut my mouth and get on my knees. Well maybe not in that order.
It is just not fair that I am not allowed to properly respond to this statement:eek2:

[Marc O'Brien]

Here is a man who claims he was fired for saying homosexuality is wrong in response to his manager obviously looking for a response.

This sort of thing is creeping up on us. As a Christian I am slowly being forced out of my faith beliefs to the point of not being able to even comment according to my personal ethical-moral beliefs even when pushed to comment.

But, the immoral are able to flaunt their private livestyles in the face of all others and then hope someone says something so they can file charges. Things are getting interesting, the America I grew up in is changing and not for the better.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114779

Eer, forgive me for asking by are you not assuming that homosexuality is immoral? What evidence do you have that it is immoral - what is the philosophical derivation of such a conclusion?

[RoBoTeq]

Whether or not homosexuallity is immoral or not is not the issue here. The issue is that a man has been persecuted for his religious based opinion. Maybe if the woman had not started the conversation it would be different. Since she initiated the conversation, why was he not allowed to give his opinion?

[Marc O'Brien]

Whether or not homosexuallity is immoral or not is not the issue here. The issue is that a man has been persecuted for his religious based opinion. Maybe if the woman had not started the conversation it would be different. Since she initiated the conversation, why was he not allowed to give his opinion?

People should not be permitted to express their religious opinions. People do not have any right to their opinions and they should certainly have no right to their religious opinions.

The UK deports people with religious opinions such as those opinions made by religious leaders regarding the planning of the killing of infidels. This is because people do not have any right to any such opinions. People only have a right to true beliefs that are logically, morally and ethically correct.

This mans opinions are logically, morally and ethically wrong - fire him. Deport him if you wish.

[glennac]

People should not be permitted to express their religious opinions. People do not have any right to their opinions and they should certainly have no right to their religious opinions.

The UK deports people with religious opinions such as those opinions made by religious leaders regarding the planning of the killing of infidels. This is because people do not have any right to any such opinions. People only have a right to true beliefs that are logically, morally and ethically correct.

This mans opinions are logically, morally and ethically wrong - fire him. Deport him if you wish.

You are sounding unreal Marc. You are saying that one has no right to express one's opinion. You want to live a a country with a totalitarian government where you can not express you thoughts on any subject unless you agree with the PC police. You know like in N Korea for example.

You don't even need to be religious to know that homosexuality and same sex marriage is wrong and perverted. I guess you support that life style and perversion? Somehow I didn't know you held those beliefs. Nice to know what you really think. Thank you very much.

[Marc O'Brien]

You are sounding unreal Marc. You are saying that one has no right to express one's opinion. You want to live a a country with a totalitarian government where you can not express you thoughts on any subject unless you agree with the PC police. You know like in N Korea for example.

You don't even need to be religious to know that homosexuality and same sex marriage is wrong and perverted. I guess you support that life style and perversion? Somehow I didn't know you held those beliefs. Nice to know what you really think. Thank you very much.

Absolutely, no single person has a right to his/her opinions, not in any country on this planet.

There are however countries that permit freedom of expression - the freedom to question other peoples beliefs with the view to eliminating false beliefs and keeping only true beliefs. If the man was asked what his belief was and answered the question with tollerance and too answered questions that test the validity of his belief with equal tollerance and acknoweledged the fact that he is not infallible and so on matters of values could be wrong then he would be welcome to expressing his opinions on sufferance.

Homosexuals do not harm me. And even if I was offended offence is not harm. Provided they do what they do in private at home. In my opinion I would not want them to do what they do next to me on a public bus but still I have to admit that I would not be harmed, I might be offended but not harmed. We would have to weigh up the opinions on the matter and accept the weighted outcome. If we disagree with the weighted outcome we may question it, politely, but we have no right to state outright our position against the matter without politely answering criticism of how opinion.

[glennac]

Absolutely, no single person has a right to his/her opinions, not in any country on this planet.

There are however countries that permit freedom of expression - the freedom to question other peoples beliefs with the view to eliminating false beliefs and keeping only true beliefs. If the man was asked what his belief was and answered the question with tollerance and too answered questions that test the validity of his belief with equal tollerance and acknoweledged the fact that he is not infallible and so on matters of values could be wrong then he would be welcome to expressing his opinions on sufferance.

Homosexuals do not harm me. And even if I was offended offence is not harm. Provided they do what they do in private at home. In my opinion I would not want them to do what they do next to me on a public bus but still I have to admit that I would not be harmed, I might be offended but not harmed. We would have to weigh up the opinions on the matter and accept the weighted outcome. If we disagree with the weighted outcome we may question it, politely, but we have no right to state outright our position against the matter without politely answering criticism of how opinion.

Thank heavens that we have the Constitution of the US with the Bill of Rights and the 1st Amendment which gives American citizens the right to freely express there opinions with out the government punishing them for it.

Other than advocating breaking the law, shouting fire in a theater, calling in bomb threats or committing slander (telling lies about someone) you have this freedom guaranteed. I understand in England you can be sued for telling the truth about public officals if it hurts their reputation.

You like big government which controls what you say and think huh Marc. Well that sounds like communism or Islam to me. Thank you very much.

[behappy]

People should not be permitted to express their religious opinions. People do not have any right to their opinions and they should certainly have no right to their religious opinions.

The UK deports people with religious opinions This has been broadcasted by the U.S. media that it also includes political beliefs. I personally thought this "law" was imposed by the U.K. political party now in power (like what is happening to the U.S). I honestly had no clue that it may be the mindset of the U.N. population as a whole. IMHO This is exactly what the Taliban in Afghanistan did.

People only have a right to true beliefs that are logically, morally and ethically correct.

This mans opinions are logically, morally and ethically wrong - fire him. Deport him if you wish. Who gets to decide "WHAT" is logically, morally and ethically wrong. My morals and ethics may be totally different than yours, who's do we use? Mine or yours...

Absolutely, no single person has a right to his/her opinions, not in any country on this planet.

The idea of thought police scares the heck out of me and smells of Nazism.This shell of a body and our thoughts, morals and beliefs are all that we own. No civilization should willingly give a government the right to take that away.

What you should be stating is that nobody has the "right" to FORCE their religious and moral beliefs on someone else. If a person is disrupting a work place environment then "that" should be the issue, not their beliefs. I believe this guy has a "just" lawsuit under our laws.

IMHO Religious people can be politicians, but government cannot be religious.

[Marc O'Brien]

Thank heavens that we have the Constitution of the US with the Bill of Rights and the 1st Amendment which gives American citizens the right to freely express there opinions with out the government punishing them for it.

I'm pretty sure anyone talking at length about their opinion that the White House should be destroyed would fall foul of the authorities - as would be the case in the UK.


Other than advocating breaking the law, shouting fire in a theater, calling in bomb threats or committing slander (telling lies about someone) you have this freedom guaranteed. I understand in England you can be sued for telling the truth about public officals if it hurts their reputation.

In the British legal system: libel n. A defamatory statement made in permanent form, such as writing, pictures, or film. Radio and television broadcasts and public performance of plays are treated as being made in permanent form for the purposes of the law of defamation. A libel is actionable in tort without proof that its publication has caused special damage (actual financial or material loss) to the person defamed. Libel can also be a crime (criminal libel). Proof of publication of the statement to third parties is not necessary in criminal libel and truth is a defence only if the statement was published for the public benefit.



You like big government which controls what you say and think huh Marc. Well that sounds like communism or Islam to me. Thank you very much.

Why change the subject to "big government"? Stick with the topic.

[Marc O'Brien]

The idea of thought police scares the heck out of me and smells of Nazism.This shell of a body and our thoughts, morals and beliefs are all that we own. No civilization should willingly give a government the right to take that away.

What you should be stating is that nobody has the "right" to FORCE their religious and moral beliefs on someone else. If a person is disrupting a work place environment then "that" should be the issue, not their beliefs. I believe this guy has a "just" lawsuit under our laws.

IMHO Religious people can be politicians, but government cannot be religious.

You're comments are in agreement with mine. We are talking about the same thing in different ways.

[bootlen]

The idea of thought police scares the heck out of me and smells of Nazism.This shell of a body and our thoughts, morals and beliefs are all that we own. No civilization should willingly give a government the right to take that away.

What you should be stating is that nobody has the "right" to FORCE their religious and moral beliefs on someone else. If a person is disrupting a work place environment then "that" should be the issue, not their beliefs. I believe this guy has a "just" lawsuit under our laws.

IMHO Religious people can be politicians, but government cannot be religious.

And herein lies our problem with the whole ME issue. A lack of understanding that the Muslm mindset is driven by "be Muslim or be dead". It is ALL about religion and NOTHING about anything else.

You, happy and Marc, are being suckered right into it.

[glennac]

I'm pretty sure anyone talking at length about their opinion that the White House should be destroyed would fall foul of the authorities - as would be the case in the UK..

Agree on that but that would be making terrorists threats which is against the law. What I am saying you should be allowed to freely express your opinion regardless of whether or not it offends someone else's beliefs or not. Such as gay marriage or the gay lifestyle, etc. You don't believe in the fundamental right of free speech like in a America and prefer a totalitarion state similar to Saudi Arabia or N Korea.



In the British legal system: libel n. A defamatory statement made in permanent form, such as writing, pictures, or film. Radio and television broadcasts and public performance of plays are treated as being made in permanent form for the purposes of the law of defamation. A libel is actionable in tort without proof that its publication has caused special damage (actual financial or material loss) to the person defamed. Libel can also be a crime (criminal libel). Proof of publication of the statement to third parties is not necessary in criminal libel and truth is a defence only if the statement was published for the public benefit..

Nice to know the British protects the reputation of bad characters.




Why change the subject to "big government"? Stick with the topic.

You brought up the subject when you said

"People should not be permitted to express their religious opinions. People do not have any right to their opinions and they should certainly have no right to their religious opinions."

Only big government could enforce your desire for denial of free speech rights.

[Marc O'Brien]

Agree on that but that would be making terrorists threats which is against the law. What I am saying you should be allowed to freely express your opinion regardless of whether or not it offends someone else's beliefs or not. Such as gay marriage or the gay lifestyle, etc. You don't believe in the fundamental right of free speech like in a America and prefer a totalitarion state similar to Saudi Arabia or N Korea.

There is not a single country on this planet that gives people the right to their opinions - only to varifiably true opinions. All other opinions are accepted of sufferance. The countries that are not even willing to tolerate harmless questionable opinions on sufferance are countries denying its citizens freedom of speech.



Nice to know the British protects the reputation of bad characters.

If the character is bad in a way that the public should know about it then the UK does not protect such badness by the suppression of free speech.


You brought up the subject when you said

"People should not be permitted to express their religious opinions. People do not have any right to their opinions and they should certainly have no right to their religious opinions."

Only big government could enforce your desire for denial of free speech rights.

You can tell someone, in a respectful manner, that you think homosexuality is wrong. But you cannot tell them that homosexuality is wrong!

[glennac]

There is not a single country on this planet that gives people the right to their opinions - only to varifiably true opinions. All other opinions are accepted of sufferance. The countries that are not even willing to tolerate harmless questionable opinions on sufferance are countries denying its citizens freedom of speech.!


That is pure total totalitarian BS and does not belong in a free society.



If the character is bad in a way that the public should no about it then the UK does not protect such badness by the suppression of free speech.!

Like when Prince Henry showed up at a costume party in a Nazi uniform all the press was on to that since that is not PC and I guess if a guy is shall we say a previously convicted swindler no one should know about it unless he is arrested for it again. Seems like selected PC control by the leftists of who gets nailed for what "offense". Not to fair if you ask me.



You can tell someone, in a respectful manner, that you think homosexuality is wrong. But you cannot tell them that homosexuality is wrong!

The subject of this thread finally gave his "opinion" that homosexually is bad stuff after continually being harassed by the bull dyke about her upcoming marriage to another lesbian.

He did not state it as a "fact" but respectfully his opinion. But to you after being backed into a corner all day long he finally gives his opinion and the bull dyke then in so many words says I got you, that is OK. Give us a break. Thank you very much.

[Marc O'Brien]

That is pure total totalitarian BS and does not belong in a free society.

Why is it BS? Seemed like erudition to me!


Like when Prince Henry showed up at a costume party in a Nazi uniform all the press was on to that since that is not PC and I guess if a guy is shall we say a previously convicted swindler no one should know about it unless he is arrested for it again. Seems like selected PC control by the leftists of who gets nailed for what "offense". Not to fair if you ask me.

I'm not sure what your point is? Are you for or against the freedom of the press in this circumstance?


The subject of this thread finally gave his "opinion" that homosexually is bad stuff after continually being harassed by the bull dyke about her upcoming marriage to another lesbian.

He did not state it as a "fact" but respectfully his opinion. But to you after being backed into a corner all day long he finally gives his opinion and the bull dyke then in so many words says I got you, that is OK. Give us a break. Thank you very much.

Well, quite clearly he is entitled to legal restitution, he has been wronged. The dyk is wrong and that is what a legal system is for - to consider such cases with the view to upholding peoples rights to offering opinions that can be tollerated on sufferance by others. He has the right to free speech but not the right to any opinion willy nilly, his opinion, which he has a right to express, are only accepted on sufferance unless they happen to be varified true opinions.

[glennac]

Why is it BS? Seemed like erudition to me!.

No more like faulty knowledge gained from a biased study.



I'm not sure what your point is? Are you for or against the freedom of the press in this circumstance?.

My point was very obvious. I would think you would have noticed it right away. Even a 12 year old can see that.

Prince Henry was in my opinion wrongly harpooned by the press for his actions even though legal by US standards and the comparison was made to a previously convicted criminal been able to keep his past crimes secret unless he is arrested for new ones. This shows a strong incosistancy with applying your censorship in Briton. Now do you understand?

Why did you make me repeat that very obvious point. I feel that you are a dishonest debater. Will I now have to spoon feed you also like geer?


Well, quite clearly he is entitled to legal restitution, he has been wronged. The dyke is wrong and that is what a legal system is for - to consider such cases with the view to upholding peoples rights to offering opinions that can be tollerated on sufferance by others. He has the right to free speech but not the right to any opinion willy nilly, his opinion, which he has a right to express, are only accepted on sufferance unless they happen to be varified true opinions.

Well at least you have came half way on OP's point. Thank you very much.

[Marc O'Brien]

No more like faulty knowledge gained from a biased study.

You fail to explain why. Shall I conclude that you are just guessing your point?


My point was very obvious. I would think you would have noticed it right away. Even a 12 year old can see that.

Prince Henry was in my opinion wrongly harpooned by the press for his actions even though legal by US standards and the comparison was made to a previously convicted criminal been able to keep his past crimes secret unless he is arrested for new ones. This shows a strong incosistancy with applying your censorship in Briton. Now do you understand?

Why did you make me repeat that very obvious point. I feel that you are a dishonest debater. Will I now have to spoon feed you also like geer?

Your point was not obvious to me. As simple as that. I am trying to write a techncial article on natural ventilation of buildings for my degree students and am not able to study your nuances investigatively.

If Prince Henry was wrongly harpooned then he would have gobe legal. However, as I recall, all that happened was a debate, in the papers, occured regarding his taste of dress theme. It was a debate probably within the freedoms of speech afforded us in the UK including the media. Would you prefer that the media be censored on such matters? Is that how the US media is made to operate?




Well at least you have came half way on OP's point. Thank you very much.

My point is unchanging - I have not seen any reason to change my point.

[behappy]

And herein lies our problem with the whole ME issue. A lack of understanding that the Muslm mindset is driven by "be Muslim or be dead". It is ALL about religion and NOTHING about anything else.

You, happy and Marc, are being suckered right into it.

You are right about being sucked into it. This topic was getting fired about homosexuality, not religion.


And herein lies our problem with the whole ME issue.

Boot it is not clear (to me) where you are going with this.
Unless you are stating my "ACTIONS" affect those around me.

[glennac]

There is not a single country on this planet that gives people the right to their opinions - only to varifiably true opinions. All other opinions are accepted of sufferance. The countries that are not even willing to tolerate harmless questionable opinions on sufferance are countries denying its citizens freedom of speech.!

That is pure total totalitarian BS and does not belong in a free society.



Why is it BS? Seemed like erudition to me!

No more like faulty knowledge gained from a biased study.


You fail to explain why. Shall I conclude that you are just guessing your point?.!

Try the US. We have freedom of speech guaranteed by the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Free speech is not accepted as sufferance but an absolute right by our Constitution. You are dead wrong here and why don't you admit your mistake. The US is not Briton and we have rights guaranteed by our Constitution which you don't have. Thank you very much.

[bootlen]

You are right about being sucked into it. This topic was getting fired about homosexuality, not religion.

HAH! I wondered about this aome time ago. But it is what it is.

Boot it is not clear (to me) where you are going with this.
Unless you are stating my "ACTIONS" affect those around me.

Somehow we are now talking religion, and I am simply stating that it cannot be dismissed. Religion is the VERY ESSENCE of the ME culture and it is religion that drives them. If you try to ignore it, they will own you before you can say "cult".

[Marc O'Brien]

We have freedom of speech guaranteed by the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Free speech is not accepted as sufferance but an absolute right by our Constitution. You are dead wrong here and why don't you admit your mistake. The US is not Briton and we have rights guaranteed by our Constitution which you don't have. Thank you very much.

The right to Free speech is not the same as the right to share/hold any opinion willy nilly.

[glennac]

The right to Free speech is not the same as the right to share/hold any opinion willy nilly.

How so? That's an Oxymoron. Thank you very much

[Marc O'Brien]

How so? That's an Oxymoron. Thank you very much

There are standard exceptions to free speech which mostly are to do with the right to opinions, for instance, military secrets, criminal investigations and legal procedures (Jury Censorship), libel, slander, threats and, as is possibly the case here, community standards.

[glennac]

There are standard exceptions to free speech which mostly are to do with the right to opinions, for instance, military secrets, criminal investigations and legal procedures (Jury Censorship), libel, slander, threats and, as is possibly the case here, community standards.

Well of course and agreed but that does not infringe on your opinion other than how to build a nuclear bomb so to speak. Got to go will carry on at a latter date, sin loy. Thank you very much.[[

[behappy]

Religion is the VERY ESSENCE of the ME culture and it is religion that drives them. If you try to ignore it, they will own you before you can say "cult".

As with Marc, I ass U me that this some sort of language or cultural thing. I thought the 'Me" generation/culture was about physical things and possessions.


A lack of understanding that the Muslm mindset is driven by "be Muslim or be dead". It is ALL about religion and NOTHING about anything else.

OK, I should not have put religion in my post to stay on topic BUT as you say it is what it is.....

I will prove my ignorance on the subject by stating that I have never read (in total) the Koran. I have read the Bible and it has a lot of "eye for an eye" and "only true religion" type verses in it. We can agree on that.

My religious beliefs and Brigham Young's religious beliefs are from the bible, but are different. The Indian and Black Muslim's that I have had the pleasure of talking religion with have a totally different view of the Koran that the Radical Muslim's that are in the news today.

Humans have always found a way to kill each other in the name of religion, that is a sad but true fact. Hopefully before we wipe out the human race, we will mature to acceptance.

That being said, I am starting to believe that we are on the verge of a repeat of the "Holy Wars" of history. Only on a global scale.

[Some Dude]

Great Wisdom
> The following is the winning entry in an annual contest at Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term: This year's term was Political Correctness.
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> The winner wrote:
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> "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
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> R. J. Wiedemann Lt Col. USMC Ret.
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[bootlen]

As with Marc, I ass U me that this some sort of language or cultural thing. I thought the 'Me" generation/culture was about physical things and possessions.

AH! ME = Middle East.

I will prove my ignorance on the subject by stating that I have never read (in total) the Koran. I have read the Bible and it has a lot of "eye for an eye" and "only true religion" type verses in it. We can agree on that.

Actually, "an eye for an eye" is not about personal relationships but rather about government resolutions (as in court judgments). And yes, Scripture confirms only one way to God the Father.

My religious beliefs and Brigham Young's religious beliefs are from the bible, but are different.

And no, BY's beliefs are in direct contradiction to Scripture.

The Indian and Black Muslim's that I have had the pleasure of talking religion with have a totally different view of the Koran that the Radical Muslim's that are in the news today.

There are 2 houses of Islam. The House of Peace and the House of War. And the Koran says that it is okay for a Muslim to lie to a non-Muslim as necessary to accomplish the will of Allah (whomever the hell that is).

Humans have always found a way to kill each other in the name of religion, that is a sad but true fact. Hopefully before we wipe out the human race, we will mature to acceptance.

True. But not to worry. The human race will be around to the bitter end.

That being said, I am starting to believe that we are on the verge of a repeat of the "Holy Wars" of history. Only on a global scale.

"Holy Wars" on a global scale is a very mild expression of what is to come.

[jtrouse]

Smashing!!!!! Intolerance and ancient, rotten superstitions have no place in the modern world.

Strange but true. Your post in in perfect agreement with the Christian Bible.

[jtrouse]

Actually if all religions did the same the world might be a better place.

"the world might be a better place"? Why continue to wonder what "might be" when you can already know what has really happened many times in history to several large regions of the world already? I am sure that most people who spout off something along those lines in the quote above will refuse to accept all of history's real examples. They also will not move to the places currently in the world that do fully carry out the outlawing of all religious speech and most religious practices.

A "christian" extremist run system (and any other religious label for that matter) can and usually does MORE human damage than in a system where all overt religious activity outlawed.

Neither end of this spectrum is tolerable to people for very long. Both have and always will go into self-destruct.

[RoBoTeq]

You are sounding unreal Marc. You are saying that one has no right to express one's opinion. You want to live a a country with a totalitarian government where you can not express you thoughts on any subject unless you agree with the PC police. You know like in N Korea for example.

You don't even need to be religious to know that homosexuality and same sex marriage is wrong and perverted. I guess you support that life style and perversion? Somehow I didn't know you held those beliefs. Nice to know what you really think. Thank you very much.
What is ironically hysterical is that Marc is only espousing his opinion, which according to him, he no right to do:gah::beat::LOL:

[RoBoTeq]

OK, since there is no rational, logical or legal precedence for this man's firing, it was absolutely wrong for him to have been fired.

However, he should be strung up by the nads for suggesting that two (or more) women should not engage in sex with one another. To make matters worse, he used the Christian stance against homosexuallyity, which when between men is disgusting and just wrong, to make his case against two loving women doing their thang with each other.

Castrated? Yes. Fired? No.

[Marc O'Brien]

What is ironically hysterical is that Marc is only espousing his opinion, which according to him, he no right to do:gah::beat::LOL:

Indeed, I have no right. My opinions are accepted on sufferance. There are certain opinions of mine that if shared in this online community will result in my suspension or permanent banning. As such I, nor you, have any right to express any opinion, willy nilly, on this forum being also a "community" with standards.

[Some Dude]

This may be a little to close to home for some people.:oops:

[RoBoTeq]

This may be a little to close to home for some people.:oops:No one is judging you.....just giving our humble opinions:yes::CU:

[Some Dude]

No one is judging you.....just giving our humble opinions:yes::CU:

Thanks buddy, wanna go camping?

[glennac]

Thanks buddy, wanna go camping?

Well rumor has it that robo hasn't been camping since he was kicked out of the Boy Scouts after being caught reading a Playgirl magazine in his tent.:):whistle: Thank you, thank you very much.

[glennac]

Indeed, I have no right. My opinions are accepted on sufferance. There are certain opinions of mine that if shared in this online community will result in my suspension or permanent banning. As such I, nor you, have any right to express any opinion, willy nilly, on this forum being also a "community" with standards.

Why Marc I would have thought that you had crossed that line sometime ago and so far have been skating by without a bruise. I guess you must be the teflon man and or the man from Uranus here on this great forum.:whistle::ban::bump::) Thank you, thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

Well rumor has it that robo hasn't been camping since he was kicked out of the Boy Scouts after being caught reading a Playgirl magazine in his tent.:):whistle: Thank you, thank you very much.
You read that in Boy's Life, didn't you?

Well, I was framed.

[scrogdog]

I have a boy scouts story. :p

My friends and I went on what I think was called a "polar bear" if I remember correctly... way up to Maine. Snow... cold... the works.

So the scoutmaster gathers us all around the campfire and tells us of his days in scouting on just such a camping trip. He and his friends blew up cans of vegetables by placing them in the fire.

So we're like "cool"!

Eventually the gathering broke up and people went to sleep.

But not us... no. We had to test this theory. We figured there'd be shrapnel, so we threw a can of corn in the fire and hid behind the rocks.

Sure enough... BOOM!

Now picture this. The fire was in the center of three tents whose openings faced towards the fire. Red hot kernals of corn sailed through the air... devastating everything in thier path.

Nothing survived. The tents look like they had been through the invasion of Anzio. Our sleeping bags... name it... all swiss cheese now.

Suddenly the scoutmaster's voice came from up the hill. "You guys ok?"

"Yes"

Then we slept. :)

[RoBoTeq]

I have a boy scouts story. :p

My friends and I went on what I think was called a "polar bear" if I remember correctly... way up to Maine. Snow... cold... the works.

So the scoutmaster gathers us all around the campfire and tells us of his days in scouting on just such a camping trip. He and his friends blew up cans of vegetables by placing them in the fire.

So we're like "cool"!

Eventually the gathering broke up and people went to sleep.

But not us... no. We had to test this theory. We figured there'd be shrapnel, so we threw a can of corn in the fire and hid behind the rocks.

Sure enough... BOOM!

Now picture this. The fire was in the center of three tents whose openings faced towards the fire. Red hot kernals of corn sailed through the air... devastating everything in thier path.

Nothing survived. The tents look like they had been through the invasion of Anzio. Our sleeping bags... name it... all swiss cheese now.

Suddenly the scoutmaster's voice came from up the hill. "You guys ok?"

"Yes"

Then we slept. :)
Sounds about right. People who say that Boy Scouts are a bunch of goody two shoes don't know much about Scouting. I learned at least half of my dirty jokes from listening to the boys after lights out.

[RoBoTeq]

Thanks buddy, wanna go camping?
Sure. I usually camp bivouac though, so no Brokeback Mountain stuff.

[Marc O'Brien]

Sure. I usually camp bivouac though, so no Brokeback Mountain stuff.

That's so sweet :)

[bootlen]

I have a boy scouts story. :p

My friends and I went on what I think was called a "polar bear" if I remember correctly... way up to Maine. Snow... cold... the works.

So the scoutmaster gathers us all around the campfire and tells us of his days in scouting on just such a camping trip. He and his friends blew up cans of vegetables by placing them in the fire.

So we're like "cool"!

Eventually the gathering broke up and people went to sleep.

But not us... no. We had to test this theory. We figured there'd be shrapnel, so we threw a can of corn in the fire and hid behind the rocks.

Sure enough... BOOM!

Now picture this. The fire was in the center of three tents whose openings faced towards the fire. Red hot kernals of corn sailed through the air... devastating everything in thier path.

Nothing survived. The tents look like they had been through the invasion of Anzio. Our sleeping bags... name it... all swiss cheese now.

Suddenly the scoutmaster's voice came from up the hill. "You guys ok?"

"Yes"

Then we slept. :)

We did that very same thing on every campout. But our firemines-of-the-day were pork'n'beans.

[glennac]

We did that very same thing on every campout. But our firemines-of-the-day were pork'n'beans.

That practice got us in trouble since the burning embers from the explosion would burn holes in you tents. Several got damaged that way. We stopped that practice.

Once we built a wonderful bonfire on a camping trip and had a real large log burning so we didn't want to put it out while we spit up and went on different trails for a few hours hike. Well we broke the #1 rule of Boy Scouts camping we left the fire burning. After an hour and half way up a mountain we saw lots of smoke coming from the area where our camp was in the National Forrest.

We ran back down as fast as we could and started fighting the fire. We were lucky and got it stopped before it reached the base of a steep slope up the mountain. Well we lost about 5 tents and supplies in the path of the fire and almost caused a large fire in the early fall in the mountains of Tenn. That was the last time we ever left a fire burning no matter how nice it was. We learned the hard way from experience.:bump::eek2::rolleyes: Thank you, thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

That's so sweet :)
You think camping without a tent is sweet? You should try it during torrential downpour rains:patriot: My bivy bag is water "resistant", Still, as long as water can't collect around you, you stay relatively dry in a bivy bag.

[behappy]

I have a boy scouts story. :p



I have a camp fire story...

Years back we were asked by a "halfway" house to bring our bikes up and talk to some "inner city" kids that they had for a week. They though we may be able to connect. :eek2:

The place was on a lake, so we brought fishing poles, hot dogs and made a camp fire on the lake. Actually the kids had a blast fishing for perch (very small hooks) and we were hitting it off after a while. After the camp fire got blazing we broke out the hot dogs. These kids had NEVER done anything like this. I grabbed a couple of sticks and pushed the hot dogs on them. Then told the kids around me to dangle their weenies in the fire. Of course all the kids went nuts with that and had to do it. We had big fun until we turned our backs for a second and this BIG kid was trying to force this little kid to do just that! :eek2: