View Full Version : New furnace but no heat
Steve Wiggins
11-07-2003, 08:44 PM
http://www.wwwebworks.com/talkpics/wallofshame/windsor1.jpg
http://www.wwwebworks.com/talkpics/wallofshame/windsor2.jpg
http://www.wwwebworks.com/talkpics/wallofshame/windsor3.jpg
Customer says they replaced his gas furnace last summer to fix the cooling but they never hooked up the heat. Wants me to get the heat going because they have an 8 month old baby.
[Edited by Boss on 12-29-2003 at 05:40 PM]
if I were in your shoes, I would probably walk away and tell the customer to get the installing contractor to fix that nightmare. Also, what happens when the main drain for the A/C gets clogged ?
dandyme
11-07-2003, 09:56 PM
Is the flue going to a chimney in the attic???
What`s the other pipe??? Flue for WH? Is that single wall?? Got 6" to combustibles??
It`d probably be easiest to disconnect and start from scratch.
YOU can do it if anybody can!
Steve Wiggins
11-07-2003, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by dandyme
Is the flue going to a chimney in the attic???
What`s the other pipe??? Flue for WH? Is that single wall?? Got 6" to combustibles??
It`d probably be easiest to disconnect and start from scratch.
YOU can do it if anybody can!
Yes the old furnace vented into a chimney. The other vent is a double wall 3" for the water heater, which you have to stand on to squeeze up through the skuttle hole. That little white square to the rt. of the WH flue is the attic access.
mayguy
11-07-2003, 10:31 PM
Did you hook it up and get it running? Is the installing company still around??
Steve Wiggins
11-07-2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by mayguy
Did you hook it up and get it running? Is the installing company still around??
No I didn't touch it. I told the HO I would have to start over and bring it all up to code...
The installer is unlicensed. I see him buying eqiupment all the time. Since there is no paper trail and the HO won't prosecute there is nothing I can do except take pics and complain.
mcfly007
11-07-2003, 11:22 PM
Hey Steve, Gas Flex, Yea or Nea?
tinmann003
11-07-2003, 11:30 PM
I agree with DNA, walk away the liabilaty it to great..
the pipe dope
11-08-2003, 12:09 AM
What our code enforcement officer asked today..."is there enough money in the education budget to hire a sniper?" That contractor should be drawn and quartered. Sorry you have to deal with crap like that Steve. If it were me, I'd be in jail.
Steve Wiggins
11-08-2003, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by mcfly007
Hey Steve, Gas Flex, Yea or Nea?
My opinion, black pipe is better but ss flex is ok. Code says we must run rigid pipe through the cabinet wall then ss flex is allowed up to three feet max.
The biggest danger is lightning strike turning the flex into a giant resistor. I had a customer tell me it caused his flex to glow red hot. If wires had been touching the flex - Kaboom. I have seen brand new installs where the contractor zip tied the 120v. romex to the gas flex line :(
Lightning Strike thread: http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=31074
[Edited by Steve Wiggins on 11-08-2003 at 09:26 AM]
Airhead
11-08-2003, 09:55 AM
I would have to tear the whole thing out, and start from scratch. Or just walk away.
thermojohn
11-08-2003, 11:51 AM
that the person installing that equipment was not a licensed contractor. The whole thing was shady right from the start. I hope that customer learned a lesson about dealings like that.
I also hope that installer gets busted big time and put out of his shady a$$ business. I hope it costs him a lot more money than he stole on this lousy install attempt.
How can that guy buy equipment without a license? You really ought to take a close picture of the model and serial #'s of the unit (for proof), and carry those pictures to the supply house that sold him the equipment. If someone dies from a $hitty install from an unlicensed contractor, and the warehouse knowingly sells equipment to him, they could very well be equally liable.
Did the guy have 'w' hooked up at the unit for heat to operate? I'm glad you saw the problem before someone was hurt or killed.
steamer
11-09-2003, 05:27 AM
Ya!were is the original Hack job Contractor,if its under any kind of warranty, get there sorry arses back there to fix there "Clean up on isle 3", them type of clean up jobs just erk the Hell out of ya , dont they,makes ya feel much prouder of your own Knowledge, when ya see crap like that.lol, Is amazing how some companys stay in Bizz with workmanship of such!
aircooled53
11-09-2003, 01:15 PM
Well,let us see,how many things are needed.
1) Level entire system-1" strap or platform
2) Gas piping to furnace- SS with 6" pipe from valve
3) Secondary drain pan
4) B- Vent not more than 15' horizontal/spin inducer motor
5) Return air plenum-filter rack
6) Electric duplex-with 4" pigtail
7) Gas pressure check-flue pressure
8) Check evaporator coil and seal transition.
9) Re-install flex around so you can access unit.
10)Plywood walkway in front of unit.
Looks like $$$$ in your pocket if you ask me.
Steve Wiggins
11-09-2003, 01:40 PM
Yeah I love the attic, plenty of head room. I picture a pull down stair in the hallway with a nice walkway leading to an Amana condensing VS furnace & txv cooling coil with a great air cleaner protecting the investment. Replace the ducts & and maybe even add zoning if the budget allows.
Then I could add a 14 SEER outdoor unit with a lifetime warranty that 10 yrs. of it could be passed on to future owners. Would make a great selling point if they ever needed to move.
gary6768
11-09-2003, 06:37 PM
It could be money in your pocket unless ho is to cheap to open it. He probably is because he went with a hack in the first place.
oregonbob
11-09-2003, 07:32 PM
Take a picture of this hack, and post it on this website.
Balystic
11-10-2003, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by oregonbob
Take a picture of this hack, and post it on this website.
Dude that is a WONDERFUL idea! I have never seen such shoddy workmanship and this post got me really mad!!!
We ought to convince Boss that a "Wall of Hacks" is needed so we can post pictures of these capers. um... I mean hacks!
Rock on.
Steve, you see some pretty scary **** lol
hackmaster
11-21-2003, 02:27 AM
I love how professional that duct board looks across the return side of that thing...lovely workmanship..this guy was an artist..lol
aircooled53
11-21-2003, 06:18 PM
The last one like this I was called out to check a/c.
It was just as bad with a old coil new furnace ,it had 4" hole on bottom of coil to supply plenum.
They told me to remove the furnace,install new coil and furnace,platform,new plenums ,filter rack. customer installed pull-down stairs. He had to replace the ceiling any way because the coil had frozen and leak onto the hallway ceiling...
If I can ever learn this program to post pic's I will show some of the jobs around Ft.Worth..<<<Pixela Imagimixer>>>>
An A/C repair,the old coil is still part of the system.
What did the HACK do, change a furnace and condensor?
coolingitrite
11-21-2003, 10:30 PM
should change this thread to the hack hall of fame....you get what you pay for....well at least you got a warranty(even though it was curbside) ....there is a lesson for home owners in this one, just because its cheap doesn't mean its a great deal....
LOVE THIS FORUM
shadetreeac
11-22-2003, 08:30 PM
The first thing that should be done is to shoot whoever did that to a new furncae......lol.....Bring the pictures, no judge would convict you of anything after someone did that to your house.
sysint
11-22-2003, 08:33 PM
TEXAS- again. Maybe Tempo did it.
wolfdog
11-22-2003, 10:19 PM
Not Tempo. They would've had their stickers all over it.
sysint
11-25-2003, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by wolfdog
Not Tempo. They would've had their stickers all over it. .........covering all the bad areas?
wolfdog
11-25-2003, 07:53 AM
Are you talking about Tempo out of Dallas?
Where 'bouts does you stay?
md master
11-25-2003, 10:01 AM
That's a shameful "install". Once again a homeowner trying to "save a few bucks" using unliscensed, uninsured persons, ending up paying double if not triple in the long run to straighten it out. Probably they'll complain about all in the hvacr world charging too much in the end also.
tinman
11-25-2003, 09:09 PM
It looks like a unwiped a$$. And that open gas line is bull.
r22jjc
11-27-2003, 02:32 PM
was that installer from doniphan mo.?looks like the kinda stuff we used to hafta bid against.Down there the hardware stores sell furnaces&a/c to any one with money.Same thing with the "wholesale"wi..air nearby.I wonder whose cert.# they put in there records on those sales?
Originally posted by tinmann003
I agree with DNA, walk away the liabilaty it to great..
How about RUN !!!!!!!!!!
actnowhvac
11-28-2003, 06:16 PM
My slant on this disaster.
If I was 90 years old and had both my legs cut off
I would drag my abbreviated sorry self up that ladder
far enough to see what I was being charged for.
I think the Homeowner bears an equal responsibility
for paying for this mess.
I see it from time to time and I hear
"well didn't the other guy fix it right?"
I tell them no and they should of had it inspected
and known better. Charge X 2.
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