Vintage Trane Control Panels

[chiller rob]

We are seeing a major move in the market place as a response to Trane not supporting vintage panel parts after december this year...

This has alot of process chiller customers in an uproar...

With that said we called to check for availabiltiy of the CH531... not happening... The adaptaview is not available outside the organization either...

Does Trane think they can retro all these panels in house???

Chiller Rob

[mustardman]

We are seeing a major move in the market place as a response to Trane not supporting vintage panel parts after december this year...

This has alot of process chiller customers in an uproar...

With that said we called to check for availabiltiy of the CH531... not happening... The adaptaview is not available outside the organization either...

Does Trane think they can retro all these panels in house???

Chiller Rob

If I were you I would try oredring a CH531 through a franchise no guarantees it will work but the rules may be less sticky. Far away from you might help failing that try ebay:D

[CaptJackSparrow]

I tried getting a CH 530 replacement from one franchise and could not but then I did get one from another. Sticker head says there is a company in Florida that has an after market generic panel that works pretty good. Maybee he will wiegh in on this one.

[ChillerWisperer]

I tried getting a CH 530 replacement from one franchise and could not but then I did get one from another. Sticker head says there is a company in Florida that has an after market generic panel that works pretty good. Maybee he will wiegh in on this one.

That is probably Micro Control Systems Inc. out of Fort Myers. Very progressive company. They have retrofitted a lot of the Lee County Schools older black box and UCP 695 Tranes with their controls and had excellent results.

Here is their website:
http://www.mcscontrols.com/

[Heavyevans]

We are seeing a major move in the market place as a response to Trane not supporting vintage panel parts after december this year...

Could you narrow down vintage? I'm just wanting to know if any of the machines I service are affected. Thanks.

[chiller rob]

as i understand it there are 12 panel components that will no longer be supported on all panels pre L94...

the bullitin talks about CV, CVHA, CVHB, PCV and CVHE...
that would be the gray panel, the new panel, the black panel and the UCP1...

Chiller Rob

[captinsano]

its the way of the world theese days in the two states I work in their guys quit went into buisness themselve and cut Tranes ass,they are going to make it difficult for the contractor to get info and succeed.

[heavymetaldad]

as i understand it there are 12 panel components that will no longer be supported on all panels pre L94...

the bullitin talks about CV, CVHA, CVHB, PCV and CVHE...
that would be the gray panel, the new panel, the black panel and the UCP1...

Chiller Rob

:eek: that's great! got 2 cvhe black panel circa 1985 in the sub-basement i perform. replaced a micro (whatever # it's called) last year, pre i. r., no problem getting it

[Healey Nut]

Ok heres the deal . any pneumatic panel , classic black and ucp 1 or ucp695 as some people call it is history as of Dec 09 . Centravac only !!!!!!!!!!!
The UCP 1 for RTAA screws will still be ok . But lets face it the new stuff is way better and isnt it time to get rid of those old 7 min oil timers and all those crappy relays and the 30 min anti recycle timers that lock up ?????????? Come on people its time to spend some money and upgrade ???????

[CaptJackSparrow]

Ok heres the deal . any pneumatic panel , classic black and ucp 1 or ucp695 as some people call it is history as of Dec 09 . Centravac only !!!!!!!!!!!
The UCP 1 for RTAA screws will still be ok . But lets face it the new stuff is way better and isnt it time to get rid of those old 7 min oil timers and all those crappy relays and the 30 min anti recycle timers that lock up ?????????? Come on people its time to spend some money and upgrade ???????

Yeah Baby we want to upgrade! But we need to be able to but the retros!

[ChillerWisperer]

But lets face it the new stuff is way better and isnt it time to get rid of those old 7 min oil timers and all those crappy relays and the 30 min anti recycle timers that lock up ?????????? Come on people its time to spend some money and upgrade ???????

I'm with you there. No more load limit relays...Yay!

What about the UCP1 for the RTHA?

[Healey Nut]

What about the UCP1 for the RTHA?

No worries centravac only for phase out ...

[Healey Nut]

All the details are in PART-SVB23A-EN bulletin and no I dont have a copy sorry .

[BKLYNBORN]

Also the UCP1 on the CGA's and CGW's have to retro to CH531 it is a differant service bullitin that came out at the end of 08.And I like it give it a couple of years Trane will release it to everyone to install

[r404a]

GRAHAM

that must be a really new bulletin, can't find it on comfortsite


r404a

[txhvac]

I had a meatball salesmen tell me the other day, that I couldn't buy CH531 retro for a black panel. Adaptaview only, Trane service install only. Granted he works for local office, not a franchise, might not be getting the full story.

[chiller rob]

meatball was right...

no more 531... i have been checking my sources for the past week...

the whole thing is locked up...

Chiller Rob

[stickerhead]

Rob, put an MCS on a forget it!

[chiller rob]

Stickerhead...

I am totally familiar with mcs (not as much as you though)...
we should probably not talk specifics about this on air...
i will give you a call in the next few...

Rob

[CaptJackSparrow]

Yep its official! Our local Trane sales rep visited a customer today and said that he was informed that Trane would not support parts for 1994 and older panels. He said they will have to convert to dynaview. It didnt go over to well to say the least. The customer said he would install other brand chillers before being stong armed into a conversion. I suspect this will be a very poor decision in the end.beat22

[chillertech257]

Are your trane reps trying to sell the old ch530/531 pannels or are thay telling your customers that thay can only get the new adapiview pannels that only trane can acess with there software, the new tracer tu software.

[Healey Nut]

No one is trying to strong arm you into a conversion. Tranes supply of parts has reached the end to manufacture old control panels . Lets face it those pneumatic panels are dinosaurs and should be replaced . No one likes to fart around with those old load limit relays .
How many car manufacturers do you know that still manufacture and supply parts for 30 plus yr old vehicles ????
Also why would you replace the whole chiller at a huge cost when you can upgrade the control system and have a better controlled chiller at a much lesser cost ????
Trane is being fair and giving you an advanced warning that phase out is going to happen . When was the last time you heard that from the big three auto guys ?????

[chiller rob]

Mr. Graham,

First - i think your a pretty cool dude and i have a tremendous respect for your experiene and knowledge...

Secondly - i dont think anybody is arguing that these panels are dated or blame trane for making the discision... we dont like them either...

Thirdly - there is absolutly no reason why they could not keep the 531 available to the independants and keep the dynaview in house for the next little bit...

but to discontinue the 531 and lock up the entire market is BULL $$$$ !!!

Trane Company needs to be aware that the next vintage executive beige machine they want to service may have a some other panel on it that they wont have a clue how to troubleshoot...

these machines are not that complicated and i assure you retro panel design with vsd compressor and pump logic (yes it has a touch screen also) has ramped to full speed...

i really think this is a scare tactic to drum up buisness... which is ultra stupid when you consider the plight of R123...

i grew up on these machines and still love them but ultimatly i think this is going to hurt the brand and the existance of the remaining low pressure chiller big time...

please call your people and get the 531 back on the market!

Respectfully,

Chiller Rob

[CaptJackSparrow]

No one is trying to strong arm you into a conversion. Tranes supply of parts has reached the end to manufacture old control panels . Lets face it those pneumatic panels are dinosaurs and should be replaced . No one likes to fart around with those old load limit relays .
How many car manufacturers do you know that still manufacture and supply parts for 30 plus yr old vehicles ????
Also why would you replace the whole chiller at a huge cost when you can upgrade the control system and have a better controlled chiller at a much lesser cost ????
Trane is being fair and giving you an advanced warning that phase out is going to happen . When was the last time you heard that from the big three auto guys ?????

Graham, I cant answer your questions and you may be correct in some of these points however, the customers view point was that "they" were being strong armed. We all agree those old panels suck but in this case you have two 20+ year old chillers that need replacing. This is a struggling Christian university that can limp along on these old dogs until funds become availible. Control panel retrofits are not cost effective. Trane had the new chiller sell all sowed up until "they (trane) went in and delivered what was percieved "by the customer" to be strong arming. I was just listening to the story. I agree with chiller rob! The end user should have the option to have an independent do the retro if needed as well. If their intentions are pure as the driven snow they sure were not precieved that way around here! No disrespect to you as well.

[triggerhappy]

Do any of you know for a fact that an Adaptiview panel can not be purchased by a contractor?

I find it hard to beleive that with a serial# that a uc 800 can not be purchased at the parts house. They will be used to replace alot of controllers in the Tracer Summit line. It may not be in kit form.

I do know for a fact that the software Tracer Tu and Rover both can be purchased by contractor on disk. It is not free to download like the Techview (we didn't use the Techview anyway)

As explained to me this move was driven by Trane's suppliers for the old panel parts.

As for continueing to supply the CH530 style panels, the Tracer Adaptiview is going off in another direction and I would not expect them to support both.

Beleive me I have gotten probably 100 times the greif (from customers) that a contractor would get about the phaseout of the old panels.

[Healey Nut]

Ok heres the scoop that I got today from the parts guys at our office . (Company Owned)
CH531 is still available and is and always has been available to anyone who wants it .
Tracer TU Adaptiview the latest panel with the fancy graphics is a purchase and install by Trane only because the software is proprietary .
Tranes policy is that parts have to be made available for equipment for seven years after production on that particular unit has ended.

[triggerhappy]

Ok heres the scoop that I got today from the parts guys at our office . (Company Owned)
CH531 is still available and is and always has been available to anyone who wants it .
Tracer TU Adaptiview the latest panel with the fancy graphics is a purchase and install by Trane only because the software is proprietary .
Tranes policy is that parts have to made be available for equipment for seven years after production on that particular unit has ended.

I will have to disagree with you on the point about the software.

Customers can buy the Tracer TU software.

Graham if you send me a email I will show you how to find it on Itrane.

[Healey Nut]

triggerhappy check your messages . Tks Graham

[triggerhappy]

Graham see what your take is on that.

[chiller rob]

Mr. Graham,
I would be very interested in communicating with you directly on this issue...
we have experienced nothing but closed doors here...
please check my profile for contact info...

Thank you very much,
Chiller Rob

[brooklyntech]

waaa- I cant get old parts anymore. You try lately to get York parts. I dont hear people *****in about that. Someone earlier made a great point- are you *****ing to GM about not being able to get parts for your Oldsmobile?? Spend the money and have Trane put in your control panels. If they screw it up atleast they guarantee there work & will make good on the proper repairs. Have fun. Long live Local 638.

[brooklyntech]

b----g=wow talk about censure.

[NWMech]

I actually had a customer with 2 classic black panels call today asking what to stockpile....says he can't afford an upgrade.

[stickerhead]

I actually had a customer with 2 classic black panels call today asking what to stockpile....says he can't afford an upgrade.

I had one that wanted the panels if we scraped any machines with them on there

[stickerhead]

I will have to disagree with you on the point about the software.

Customers can buy the Tracer TU software.

Graham if you send me a email I will show you how to find it on Itrane.

I just priced the TU software, $1400 and some change for one computer. That's absurb?

[stickerhead]

Ok heres the scoop that I got today from the parts guys at our office . (Company Owned)
CH531 is still available and is and always has been available to anyone who wants it .
Tracer TU Adaptiview the latest panel with the fancy graphics is a purchase and install by Trane only because the software is proprietary .
Tranes policy is that parts have to be made available for equipment for seven years after production on that particular unit has ended.

There must be a "two headed" Trane monster saying different things. We were told the CH531 retrofit was no longer avaliable and the Adaptiview was the replacement. The Adaptaview had to be installed by local Trane office. I will NOT sell anything that my competitor has to install for me. This panel thingy is going to help or bite Trane in the arse! To me, I have sold 7 retrofit panels on Trane equipment that was not "Trane brand". Keep it up Trane, I love it!

[triggerhappy]

I just priced the TU software, $1400 and some change for one computer. That's absurb?


Was that a question?

We just paid $1600 for an Adobe software.

[Juleous]

Who pays for software these days. That is so 90's

[triggerhappy]

There must be a "two headed" Trane monster saying different things. We were told the CH531 retrofit was no longer avaliable and the Adaptiview was the replacement. The Adaptaview had to be installed by local Trane office. I will NOT sell anything that my competitor has to install for me. This panel thingy is going to help or bite Trane in the arse! To me, I have sold 7 retrofit panels on Trane equipment that was not "Trane brand". Keep it up Trane, I love it!

I was not in agreement with Graham. I think that he has gotten a hold of some bad information.

As far as I know you can no longer get the CH531.

But as I said earlier you can buy the software and I have not tried but I feel sure that you can buy the UC800 and the other parts that you need. Maybe not in the kit form.

[triggerhappy]

Who pays for software these days. That is so 90's

I do when I have to.

That is until Obama starts to hand it out with everything else. Although I am sure I will not qualify.

[txhvac]

There must be a "two headed" Trane monster saying different things. We were told the CH531 retrofit was no longer avaliable and the Adaptiview was the replacement. The Adaptaview had to be installed by local Trane office. I will NOT sell anything that my competitor has to install for me. This panel thingy is going to help or bite Trane in the arse! To me, I have sold 7 retrofit panels on Trane equipment that was not "Trane brand". Keep it up Trane, I love it!

I was told the exact same thing.

[MKnyc]

are you done complaining? .... seriously? what you didn't see what we are making? Hint. These machines with Adaptaview have their own internet address. We're trying to introduce wireless machines. Did ya see the USB hook up. Does your laptop have usb? Great, then you can hook up to this machine if your laptop has software and program it. Then the AdaptaView becomes a touchscreen machine accessible wirelessly. Yeah I cant understand why anyone would want this. Silly Trane. What were we thinking?

[phoenixfitter]

Trane is losing their 123 so it only makes sense to put something on that is proprietatary and be able to charge $150 an hour plus your first born to service it and maintain it. Sure they can get you the software but that is like the reports on techview that takes a rocket scientist to figure out how to trend a machine. My thought is if you work for Trane its a good thing because they are losing thier equipment share and pricing themselves out of the service business so make as much factory mandated startup and installs you can. But as a equipment supplier, be careful whose toes you step on because it might be the guy who buys your equipment and who wants to sell equipment that they can't service? Without contractors support, Tranes or anyone's for that case, will lose their bread and butter business.If they do that on the R series and they will see that market hit the crap pile......just me thinking outloud

[chiller rob]

Trane cant do that to the R series right now because of the renew program...

If they made a move like that now they would loose face because they have active warranties on the same components they would be phasing out...

the R series should be safe for the next two years...

Chiller Rob

[txhvac]

are you done complaining? .... seriously? what you didn't see what we are making? Hint. These machines with Adaptaview have their own internet address. We're trying to introduce wireless machines. Did ya see the USB hook up. Does your laptop have usb? Great, then you can hook up to this machine if your laptop has software and program it. Then the AdaptaView becomes a touchscreen machine accessible wirelessly. Yeah I cant understand why anyone would want this. Silly Trane. What were we thinking?

I don't believe anybody WANTS to keep the old panels, of course the technology is better they've had 25 years plus York and McQuay to model after. The problem is that Trane won't allow anybody else to put them in. Hint competiton, like stickerhead said why pay your competitor to install something for you, especially when other companys can do the same grade of work. If you can't get the CH531 retro-fit anymore, seems like market-cornering to me. This leaves independents to find other routes, or crater to the demands. This has nothing to do with panel technology, but everything to do with competiton.

[acjourneyman]

First, who said 123 is going away, it is here to stay for at leats 10 more years. As Graham said , why carry parts for 20 year old panels, antone of us could figure out how to replace a relay or any other part in there without even going through Trane. UCP panels, may as well upgrade as much as they cost. I have done a few 531 upgrades and the only reason I couldn't see to letting a non OEM co do one is the need for Kestrel view in configuration or tech support. Seems to me there is always something askew. I laugh when I trouble shoot a guys Tracer100 panel from 1991 and see his face when I tell him no more parts,you need to upgrade. Why is it when it comes to building technology everyone seems to be ok with having 20 year old computers. You can't keep making parts for ever that 1 or 2 people a year order.

[MKnyc]

Stickerhead? ...nice. Don't me wrong. I have alot of respect for my firms competitors machines. They make good machines too. But my friend I think per chance you might be wrong about market share. All my friends in this industry at the various global companies now assumed under new ownership have one thing in comman, we enjoy putting in, servicing, troubleshooting this equipment for a living. I think all of us think we don't get the respect we deserve for what we do. Some are taken from our ranks almost daily across this country. ...MK

[txhvac]

Stickerhead? ...nice. Don't me wrong. I have alot of respect for my firms competitors machines. They make good machines too. But my friend I think per chance you might be wrong about market share. All my friends in this industry at the various global companies now assumed under new ownership have one thing in comman, we enjoy putting in, servicing, troubleshooting this equipment for a living. I think all of us think we don't get the respect we deserve for what we do. Some are taken from our ranks almost daily across this country. ...MK

Those are good words, my man. When I referred to stickerhead (he's another guy who posts here) I was summarizing something he had said in a previous post. Not trying to to be derogatory towards you.

[MKnyc]

No offense taken brother. I thoroughly enjoy this forum for the give and take of information. I always take the time to make the owners and mechanical contractors I meet are up to date with I.O.M.'s and service manuals for their machines with either a thumbdrive or an email address. Didn't have this place when I was coming up through the ranks. Cheers!

[stickerhead]

are you done complaining? .... seriously? what you didn't see what we are making? Hint. These machines with Adaptaview have their own internet address. We're trying to introduce wireless machines. Did ya see the USB hook up. Does your laptop have usb? Great, then you can hook up to this machine if your laptop has software and program it. Then the AdaptaView becomes a touchscreen machine accessible wirelessly. Yeah I cant understand why anyone would want this. Silly Trane. What were we thinking?

Yea, that 's why the retrofit panels I sell already do this and were out long before Trane introduced the Adaptiview. What were they thinking?

[MKnyc]

cool. takes time with a global corporation to have everyone agree this is the format and the software structure to manufacture machines to sell all over the world with a support system already in place. you should have sold that idea to one of the manufacterers for like lots of money and taken a vacation or something. I assume your panel upgrade allows for internet access to the said chiller to diagnose specific codes. Not just turn on, turn off; here is your setpoint. Adjust VFD for maximum efficiency vs condenser water temperatures and machine coefficient of performance too right? Not run the machines so f#$ked up they lose their oil and smoke the bearings. Yeah I'm sure your panel does all that. I suppose I deserve some mockery. Maybe it's jealousy. Everyone wants to work for the factory. It's not all bad. Has some perks from just working for anybody. Don't know why some need to make themselves feel better by taking us down a notch. I give anyone credit for making things better. Peace out.

MK

[stickerhead]

cool. takes time with a global corporation to have everyone agree this is the format and the software structure to manufacture machines to sell all over the world with a support system already in place. you should have sold that idea to one of the manufacterers for like lots of money and taken a vacation or something. I assume your panel upgrade allows for internet access to the said chiller to diagnose specific codes. Not just turn on, turn off; here is your setpoint. Adjust VFD for maximum efficiency vs condenser water temperatures and machine coefficient of performance too right? Not run the machines so f#$ked up they lose their oil and smoke the bearings. Yeah I'm sure your panel does all that. I suppose I deserve some mockery. Maybe it's jealousy. Everyone wants to work for the factory. It's not all bad. Has some perks from just working for anybody. Don't know why some need to make themselves feel better by taking us down a notch. I give anyone credit for making things better. Peace out.

MK

I don't think people mock factory guys on purpose. Most come off they are better than other just because they know their "one product" I have been in Trane lab several times. I have an Adaptiview sitting in my floor. From a contractors point of view, the wireless connection to a customers machine is supposed to help the customer keep his machine in good working order? Correct? To a contractor, it is a proprietary service Trane sells that the contractor is not privy too. I.E. Kestral View ring a bell? All the contractors want is a level playing field to work in. Don't you think the more info the factory would give the contractors, the more equipment of theirs they would sell? It's happening with my company. There is an old Texas saying. "Dance with the one who brung ya". PM me some time, we can shoot the s**t!

[MKnyc]

I don't think people mock factory guys on purpose. Most come off they are better than other just because they know their "one product" I have been in Trane lab several times. I have an Adaptiview sitting in my floor. From a contractors point of view, the wireless connection to a customers machine is supposed to help the customer keep his machine in good working order? Correct? To a contractor, it is a proprietary service Trane sells that the contractor is not privy too. I.E. Kestral View ring a bell? All the contractors want is a level playing field to work in. Don't you think the more info the factory would give the contractors, the more equipment of theirs they would sell? It's happening with my company. There is an old Texas saying. "Dance with the one who brung ya". PM me some time, we can shoot the s**t!

You're absolutely right. That's why I ask for thumbdrives and email address's whenever I am on site. So I can upload all the manuals for their machines. Anyone who works for the factory that thinks their **** don't stink has got their thumb up their ass. I always ask if anyone has any questions too. Because I can still remember when I didn't know ****. Wish I had an opportunity like that when I was coming up. One thing about this trade is that it always kept me thinking. Complex physics stuff. I get a kick out of how most NYC guy's women are nurses. They're the only ones who are smart enough for us. As for the level playing field with the factory, your local office ; the faces you talk to, the faces you see on site are trying to work WITH you. But we are owned by a global corporation who would shut us down in a heartbeat, but they can't. They need us to service their factory equipment. Sometimes we're in a worse hole than you. We have had equipment that just don't work. If I were a private contractor, I would try to partner up with one of the majors and get connections now while the industry hasn't suffered the full effects of the reccession. Construction is at an all time low. The powerplants are gonna be emptyhanded in less than 3 yrs. We need to come together as an industry. I think a national liscense is in order. We deserve to be titled engineers.
MK

[CaptJackSparrow]

Just to refresh this issue I have found that I cannot buy the CH531 and cannot Install a Dynaview. We will be going to a MCS class soon. Also there are more ways to skin this cat but I will not share here.

[always looking]

Has anyone thought about building a panel from scratch. Dynaview, starter module, power supply, about 5 other llids and all the sensors. Wouldn't think it would be that hard. The first 531s were pretty much that way any way.

[ChillerGirl]

Can the New Trane Dynaview interface with old pre 1994 Starters??

[triggerhappy]

Yes it can.
We have also installed on Yorks, Carrier, and McQuay.

[ChillerGirl]

Looking to buy Trane Classic Black Panel & UCP1. I checked EBay - no luck. Is there another source out there??

[R123]

I have a complete UCP2 panel.

[Trane_Dude]

Do any of you know for a fact that an Adaptiview panel can not be purchased by a contractor?

I find it hard to beleive that with a serial# that a uc 800 can not be purchased at the parts house. They will be used to replace alot of controllers in the Tracer Summit line. It may not be in kit form.

I do know for a fact that the software Tracer Tu and Rover both can be purchased by contractor on disk. It is not free to download like the Techview (we didn't use the Techview anyway)

As explained to me this move was driven by Trane's suppliers for the old panel parts.

As for continueing to supply the CH530 style panels, the Tracer Adaptiview is going off in another direction and I would not expect them to support both.

Beleive me I have gotten probably 100 times the greif (from customers) that a contractor would get about the phaseout of the old panels.

AdaptiView is a propriatary install. At this time it is not for sale to independents.

[chiller rob]

why?... this stuff isn't rocket science...

as an independant we installed 6 of them with non communicating VFD's with great success till IR caught wind and blocked the UC800 and the touchscreen as parts sale items... as far as i am concerned its restaint of trade...

if thats what they want to do then great... the factory is missing out on a ton of parts sales...
what is it going to take for OEMs to recongize independants as customers not purely competitors... we have access to literally thousands of chillers...
dont be supprised when the next vintage machine the factory walks up to has aftermarket controls and the shoe is on the other foot...

now i am going to get blasted... but really dont care... i am tired of not having access to OEM retrofit equipment upgrades... so we'll just develop our own...
most customers really dont care what controls the chiller just as long as it performs properly, turns down and they get the service and reliability they expect...

i have been working on trane equipment my whole career and the low pressure centrifugals are my favorite... i am sorry to see it come to this...

Chiller Rob

[Trane_Dude]

Simple answer: The OEM put the R&D into the UC800 not you. I really dont know any other way to respond. If Trane allows non OEM to install AdaptiView upgrades so be it. I really dont care which direction it takes but I was directly involved in the developement of the UC800 and I understand where Trane is coming from. Quality control is the priority while the producet developes. I have the support to make it right. Have you ever done a Duplex AdaptiView? Ive done 22 of them and its not even supported. But with our work it will be some day. Maybe at this juncture everyone will have acess to it who knows?

[Screwit]

2 questions on reading these recent posts:

Since when has the UC800 and touchscreen been blocked as a part sale item?

Trane Dude, when you say Duplex AdaptiView is not supported do you mean only as an aftermarket retrofit product?

As far as a CH531 retrofit I know the kits are no longer available but all the components are as individual items - just means the purchaser has to develop the BOM. Likewise for AdaptiView and the installer will need TU

[triggerhappy]

2 questions on reading these recent posts:

Since when has the UC800 and touchscreen been blocked as a part sale item?

Trane Dude, when you say Duplex AdaptiView is not supported do you mean only as an aftermarket retrofit product?

As far as a CH531 retrofit I know the kits are no longer available but all the components are as individual items - just means the purchaser has to develop the BOM. Likewise for AdaptiView and the installer will need TU

I had the same thought about the UC800 and the Color Display. I walked into the parts house last week with the serial # and bought a Color Display.

I don't have a serial # on me at the moment but tomorrow I will get a serial # and go into Webcats to check for the part #s.

Tane-Dude they really must have the good Kool-aid at your office.:whistle:

[Healey Nut]

Im gonna throw a wrench into the fire here and stir things up a bit .
Will York sell you their latest and greatest panel with the grapics on as a kit to install on whatever chiller you decide if you are an independant non York\JCI contractor ????
Everyones bustin Tranes balls on here but take a look at the other major manufacturers and ask them to sell you their latest and greatest and see what answer you get ?????

[Trane_Dude]

2 questions on reading these recent posts:

Since when has the UC800 and touchscreen been blocked as a part sale item?

Trane Dude, when you say Duplex AdaptiView is not supported do you mean only as an aftermarket retrofit product?

As far as a CH531 retrofit I know the kits are no longer available but all the components are as individual items - just means the purchaser has to develop the BOM. Likewise for AdaptiView and the installer will need TU

Duplex chillers are not presently supported as a retrofit. We use two simplex retrofits and the standard CTVD software instead of CVR software. Its basically a feild engineered retrofit and programmed from the ground up. It has been a fun project. All Duplex chillers were done at one site.

You can purchase the display, UC800 or whatever you want, but it all boils down to loading the software and binding the devices. I suppose anyone can buy Tracer TU, but going down the retrofit road without factory support on new hardware? Not something I would do :).

[chiller rob]

Here's the deal Graham...
We have spoke in the past and I have a great deal of respect for you...
Yes we have relationships with the other manufactures...

Yes I can get an York Optiview for retrofit on any machine...
I can also get a liquid cooled viper drive for vsd conversion...

Non OEM can only purchase the UC800 or the display only if a new machine had adaptiview and a broom handle got pushed thru the display or UC800 failed (for example) But the serial number would have to match up and a letter from the owner of the equipment stating such would be requested...
At least that's what we were told...

I understand and respect the quality control argument... But when you put this in context with the parts obsolescence issue and put this upgrade out as the alternative in the marketplace and at the same time block access... People are going to react...

The TU software is not the issue...
It can be had for few bucks yes but otherwise not a problem...
The software can only be licensed to one pc that's ok...

We didn't find setting the panel up to be very difficult at all and we built it from scratch...