The prison at Guantanamo Bay

[mrs reb77]

Sure has been a whirlwind week of flip/flop back and forth. Is it to close? Can they move the prisoners? Congress did NOT authorize the funds requested by The Obama for the closure because they felt there should be a detailed plan with the fund request (really?? really?? refreshingly new!). President Obama's own press secretary stated they 'may have been hasty', Military Tribunals are supposed to be reinstated with 'reformed rules' and then The Obama states yesterday that it WILL CLOSE and he's not backing down off that.

Then, the RNC releases a web ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7qkEholuT8

[k-fridge]

Did you catch the reference in the video to the "Atomic bomb" ad from the sixties?

[mrs reb77]

Yeah, the article that actually pointed me in the direction of that web ad referenced that commercial and also provided the LBJ tag line that accompanied it, which you don't hear in this ad.

"These are the stakes, to make a world in which all of God's children can live, or to go into the dark. We must either love each other, or we must die."

[mrs reb77]

Here's a well though out commentary on this issue:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/21/navarrette.guantanamo/index.html


an excerpt:
Senate Democrats are acting shamefully in pandering to NIMBY (not in my backyard) provincialism rather than trying to convince their constituents that 240 terror suspects, who can be held in maximum-security federal prisons, don't really constitute a threat to national security.

And some Democrats even have the nerve to want it both ways. They promise to help Obama close Guantanamo (when they think it will be politically popular) while condemning the transfer of terror suspects to the United States (when they fear that could be politically unpopular). One minute, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid declares that "Guantanamo makes us less safe." The next minute, Reid vows that "we will never allow terrorists to be released into the United States."

That's beautiful. Senator, do you know what really makes us less safe? It's a lack of leadership in matters where it is absolutely essential.

[forged alloy]

What makes me laugh is this naive notion that treating our enemies with respect and tolerence will ingendre the same type of behavior in kind from them. HMMMM, lets see now...

Black racists hate whites for treatment going all the way back to slavery, despite all the advances they have had and the fact that one of them is the POTUS.

Muslim racists hate Jews and christians for all manor of historical reasons.

White racists hate blacks for indoctrination during their upbringing.

Liberals will be slandering President Bush 50 years from now, and still blaming every national problem on his administration.

Seems to me that Bin Laden killed over 5000 innocent Americans without anyone having been waterboarded, or even spoken harshly too. No Guantanamo. I seem to recall President Clinton passing on the opportunity to even capture him despite his first attempt in NY.

It is foolish to believe that our enemies who bear this systemic hatred of our country will suddenly behave respectfully and diplomatically with us because we play nice and kiss their hand.

[wolfstrike]

they will bring them over here so they can sit in our federal prisons and leech off of our system.

i could really give a rat's ass what was happening to them over there.

[JRINJAX]

The sencond that the terrorists touch American soil, the ACLU will be petitioning the courts for a speedy trial or releasing them here. Does anyone really think the Obama Admin will really battle the courts and the far left to keep them imprisioned? If you do, I would like to sell you the title to the Hoover Dam.

Just remember how Democrats work; The Sierra and Save the Manatee clubs sued the Federal Fish and Game Commision to close huge sections of Florida's waterways to protect the manatees. This was hugely unpopular with the State's voters. They [Clinton Admin] instead never had the Fish and Game Commision appear before the D.C. court and they imposed the manatee zones by "Default".

Democrats are pure slime and delight in be so...

[mrs reb77]

Did ya see The Obama's speech yesterday that involved his new 'legal' plan for Prolonged Detention?
Basically he is proposing setting up a legal framework (his definition) whereby people that can't or haven't been charged by rule of law can be held (detained) indefinitely without being charged.

Simply put, he (and all the other Bush bashers) didn't agree with holding people they felt were dangerous but couldn't put a sustainable charge to it indefinitely but now he's going to have a law in which to do that. So, once he's declare this and started it, someone else can come along and say "Hey, that's against the Geneva Conventions and our Constitution" and try to bring up charges against it.

At least, I think that's what he's proposing. The jury is still kind of out on it because separating out all the flowery speech does tend to take a little bit of time.

[JRINJAX]

I agree, he intends to bring them to US soil and then use the Courts as the bad guys to satisfy his warped mindset and hate-America supporters [some of which hang around here].

[k-fridge]

What makes me laugh is this naive notion that treating our enemies with respect and tolerence will ingendre the same type of behavior in kind from them. HMMMM, lets see now...



It is foolish to believe that our enemies who bear this systemic hatred of our country will suddenly behave respectfully and diplomatically with us because we play nice and kiss their hand.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

Winston Churchill

[Tool-Slinger]

Here's a well though out commentary on this issue:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/21/navarrette.guantanamo/index.html


an excerpt:
Senate Democrats are acting shamefully in pandering to NIMBY (not in my backyard) provincialism rather than trying to convince their constituents that 240 terror suspects, who can be held in maximum-security federal prisons, don't really constitute a threat to national security.

And some Democrats even have the nerve to want it both ways. They promise to help Obama close Guantanamo (when they think it will be politically popular) while condemning the transfer of terror suspects to the United States (when they fear that could be politically unpopular). One minute, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid declares that "Guantanamo makes us less safe." The next minute, Reid vows that "we will never allow terrorists to be released into the United States."

That's beautiful. Senator, do you know what really makes us less safe? It's a lack of leadership in matters where it is absolutely essential.
The administration has said that more than 100 prisoners would need to be moved to the United States, including many who are described as too dangerous to let go but who cannot be prosecuted for one reason or another.

That is the part I don't get in your link. Or maybe I do. It could be a report typo I suppose, misquoting the 'administration'? That makes no sense whatsoever.

[Some Dude]

omg i cant believe im gonna say it. Clinton was a much more intelligent democrat than this guy.
He promised a bunch of things he never delivered. Probably because once in office he realized he couldnt. This dude just waves problems away like a a high school kid. No planning no nothing.
Dummy said to me today ' he deserves credit for trying', even though he agreed he was screwing up.
Doiiii did i do thaaaaaaaat.

[Tool-Slinger]

omg i cant believe im gonna say it. Clinton was a much more intelligent democrat than this guy.
He promised a bunch of things he never delivered. Probably because once in office he realized he couldnt. This dude just waves problems away like a a high school kid. No planning no nothing.
Dummy said to me today ' he deserves credit for trying', even though he agreed he was screwing up.
Doiiii did i do thaaaaaaaat.
LOL,

can't be unfairly detained, can't be released, can't be prosecuted, very dangerous, so OBAMALUTION {solution}:

Bring them to the USA! YAY!!!!!

I guess that is why that one got shot-down.

That quote though, I keep turning it over and over in my head, and which-everway I turneth it it has a shiny gloss like fresh goat-poo.... :D

[Some Dude]

Its almost like hes desperate to prove hes an idiot. No planning, no insight, no freakin common sense.
And the best thing, he hasnt done crap for the working people who put him in there. And if one more retarded demo tells me he has to dig us out of the hole we have dug for the last 8 years im just gonna stop talking to them.
Try explaining Fannie Mae to a brainwashed demo, its like talking to homer about the bible, hed rather talk about his church,

[RoBoTeq]

The only way I will pay attention to anything that President Obama has to say is if he starts out a speech with; "Let me..uhhhh....make myself....errr...uhhh...perfectly clear on this.....ummmm...I did not have...uhhh...a freaking clue.....uhhhh....as to what I was...uhhh...getting into with this...ummmm....position as president.

[mrs reb77]

I'm starting to think it goes like this:

"Read my lips....cause if you listen you'll be even more confused!"

He's already turning into the administration of 'let's throw it at the wall and see if it sticks'.

[Tool-Slinger]

I'm starting to think it goes like this:

"Read my lips....cause if you listen you'll be even more confused!"

He's already turning into the administration of 'let's throw it at the wall and see if it sticks'.
This gitmo thing is gonna be funny to watch either way. Obama has really painted himself into a corner on this one! He is very adamant that gitmo must be closed.

"So if it is such an evil blight, what is taking so long Mr. President" lol :D

[Some Dude]

Hey folks it really isnt funny, we now have a socialist President who the demos swore was so freaking smart and hes an idiot.
Its like making an 8th grade president.

[Tool-Slinger]

Hey folks it really isnt funny, we now have a socialist President who the demos swore was so freaking smart and hes an idiot.
Its like making an 8th grade president.
Well, we do have 'separation of powers' still. This is a refreshing example of how the system should work more often.

It could be the dem majorities have begun to re-think 'the ride on the OBAMAEXPRESS'.

[Some Dude]

Well, we do have 'separation of powers' still. This is a refreshing example of how the system should work more often.

It could be the dem majorities have begun to re-think 'the ride on the OBAMAEXPRESS'.

But how many will admit it?

[corny]

I dont know why...with all the money we spent in Iraq....that we couldnt build a big prison in afghanastan or Iraq and make those folks take care of them....the detainees.

These folks are prisoners of war.... thats what they are.....and the civil courts or federal prison system should have nothing to do with them.

They should be in some hellish foreign prison...or work camp..
Why the F do we have to feed and clothe these animals......we know thru the ones who have been released that they all return to fighting against us......

The logical thing to do would be to execute them....keeping a man locked up for the rest of his life is just stupid.......if they cant be trusted in free society then they should just be killed.

Dump them into the middle of the antarctic ocean...if allah wished to save them...he will

[RoBoTeq]

This gitmo thing is gonna be funny to watch either way. Obama has really painted himself into a corner on this one! He is very adamant that gitmo must be closed.

"So if it is such an evil blight, what is taking so long Mr. President" lol :D
"Painted himself into a corner" just might be a very good analogy for this administration. Being made up of mostly extremist liberals, known for their artistic licensing, I'm sure that the presidents close administration of politicians who would never have been allowed to serve had they been Republican, will consider being painted into a corner as some sort of abstract art that they can just paint a doorway for themselves to escape through.

We are in trouble folks. Fortunately there are a few rumbles of discontent from the less left. So far, GM has kept itself from becoming the manufacturer of "The Peoples Car" (Hitler's language called it Der Volkeswagen) and maybe, just maybe Nancy Pelosi will actually have to own up to her absurd remarks about the CIA.

[RoBoTeq]

It could be the dem majorities have begun to re-think 'the ride on the OBAMAEXPRESS'.
Sounds like something the president might have referred to about himself when trying to get laid in college:confused:

[RoBoTeq]

I dont know why...with all the money we spent in Iraq....that we couldnt build a big prison in afghanastan or Iraq and make those folks take care of them....the detainees.

These folks are prisoners of war.... thats what they are.....and the civil courts or federal prison system should have nothing to do with them.

They should be in some hellish foreign prison...or work camp..
Why the F do we have to feed and clothe these animals......we know thru the ones who have been released that they all return to fighting against us......

The logical thing to do would be to execute them....keeping a man locked up for the rest of his life is just stupid.......if they cant be trusted in free society then they should just be killed.

Dump them into the middle of the antarctic ocean...if allah wished to save them...he will
This would be too logical a thing to do corny. And, in a bizarre way, it would be too inhumane for the tastes of American liberals. In an Iraqi prison, these detainees, guilty of being enemy combatants or not, would be tortured and live in what most Americans would consider inhumane conditions.

Compared to an Iraqi run prisoner of war camp, Gitmo is like Summer Camp.

[Tool-Slinger]

Sounds like something the president might have referred to about himself when trying to get laid in college:confused:
Yup, exactly.

And the lefties who bought into the sales pitch are beginning to feel the same anti-climax as the previous dupes did. :D

[RoBoTeq]

So, we can pretty much change the three most common lies to;

I love you.

The check is in the mail.

And,

Let me make myself perfectly clear.

[Tool-Slinger]

Let me make myself perfectly clear.

LMAUAMN !

Indeed.