View Full Version : SEER/EER Rating for this Ruud Combo, can't find on ARI site
05-15-2009, 07:41 PM
I am about to pull the trigger on the following system:
But I can't seem to find the SEER/EER ratings for this system on the ARI site or anywhere else. Does anyone have any info on this that I am missing? Is this not a "recommended" setup such that ARI doesn't rating? I realize that they can't possibly test every combo so maybe this one just hasn't been rated.
Thanks in advance!
05-15-2009, 08:01 PM
You can go to the Ruud site and find the specifications. http://188.8.131.52/FetchDocument.aspx?ID=0a324810-fc5d-472e-ad9c-5dc00c597189
However, even if you don't find the exact match it doesn't mean that it doesn't. Your A/C guy looks at the situation, figures out what he thinks it needs, talks to his supplier, who in turn may talk to the manufacturer and back down the line.
05-15-2009, 08:27 PM
Rheem probably doesn't think putting a 24" wide coil on a 17" wide furnace to be appropriate. They do rate the 3621 with the narrower furnace.
Nice system, no tax credit though. 15.50 SEER 11.90 EER
05-15-2009, 09:19 PM
Sorry, that combo doesn't make the credit for either the furnace or the condenser! You can use the 24 inch coil with the 17" furnace but Rheem/Ruud specify the 21 inch coil in their tables.
05-15-2009, 10:51 PM
I told the contractor the same, that it doesn't qualify. Called the manufacturer to confirm, etc. Contractor assured me it does, even wrote the 30% on the quote. Did some more research and was convinced it did not qualify.
Had a second bid for the 90k UGFD with the 3-ton UASL and an 24 inch N coil that qualifies. The furnace was oversized but with the modulating I figured it would be ok with the tax savings.
Called contractor #1 back and told him i would go with his system but it doesn't qualify, he again assured me it would qualify. So I told him that if he wrote on the quote he would pay me the 30% if the IRS rejects it then I would buy from him.
He wrote it on the quote telling me his distributor has a letter signed by Ruud/Rheem corporate telling him the furnace qualifies.
I agree it does not qualify but either way I am getting the cash now.
I would have liked the UASL but that oversized 90k furnace had me worried about short cycle just to meet the tax credit criteria.
05-15-2009, 11:34 PM
I think your contractor is mistaken. While Rheem/Ruud does not have that particular combo on their website, the list of performance specifications for the UGFD and UARL combinations suggests that the combo wouldn't qualify. Neither will the 07/UASL combo as you have seen - you need the 09 furnace to qualify with the UASL condenser.
http://www.ruudac.com/products/ProductInfo.aspx?XSL_File=ruudac_product_profile.x sl&Market=Residential&SectionVar=Cooling&Category=Condensing Units&SpecificModel=UARL-JEZ
http://www.ruudac.com/products/ProductInfo.aspx?XSL_File=ruudac_product_profile.x sl&Market=Residential&SectionVar=Cooling&Category=Condensing Units&SpecificModel=UASL-JEZ
Look at the Specifications sheet for all combinations and the Tax Credit sheet for qualifying combinations. Get the certificate before signing a contract and make it part of the contract - this is then a legal document you can use when the IRS rejects your credit.
Having said that, the chances that you would get audited are slim to zero unless you have other flags on your return.
05-16-2009, 08:53 AM
Still wouldn't trust him to pay! Probably end up in court!
05-25-2009, 11:26 AM
So now your HVAC professional is a tax expert? Unless he gives you a certificate from ARI, you can forget getting the tax rebate.
05-25-2009, 07:34 PM
Well the system goes in tomorrow, guess I can look forward to a coil that's too large and the risk of not getting my rebate.
Guess I put myself in too tough of a spot. Didn't want to go with the qualifying system because it was oversized only to get me the rebates, not based on demand. Didn't want to go with this guy because I knew it wouldn't qualify but the other Rheem/RUUD installers just did not give me a warm fuzzy about their abilities.
I will throw up some pics when its all done Wednesday afternoon. Thanks to everyone for your advice..even if I didn't follow it. I shouldn't have let my spouse the engineer talk me into it ;-)
Wish me luck...
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