9mm or not?

[airmax]

Funny...

[Green Mountain]

Hi Dice,

For Christmas I though I'd give you yet another post to this floundering 9mm thread.

There is nothing else to say.

[Diceman]

Thanks Beenie, I may need them, if those girls start posting their pics in the "*****" thread it could give me some serious competition.
I may have to post mine in retaliation.

[ice machine undertaker]

Originally posted by Diceman
Thanks Beenie, I may need them, if those girls start posting their pics in the "*****" thread it could give me some serious competition.
I may have to post mine in retaliation.

Sure, then we can argue (debate?) who is better looking.

Fred

[Diceman]

I think I got that hound dog beat, after that, it's a toss up.

[kgouker]

Originally posted by Diceman
Thanks Beenie, I may need them, if those girls start posting their pics in the "*****" thread it could give me some serious competition.
I may have to post mine in retaliation.

Diceman, you owe me a pic. Mine is posted in my b!tch thread! :-)

[kgouker]

OK, now I will post something in relation to the main topic. A little over a month ago, I just about got myself in a real mess with a psycho HO that I was doing a proposal for. We were in his basement, and I was kneeling down at the furnace looking at model/serial number when he decided to get a little, well "frisky" with me. This man was probably 6' tall and a good 350lbs. Huge. So anyway, he grabbed my shoulders and kind of pulled me back against him. The only thing I had in my hand was my maglite flashlight and paper and pen. Not too much I could do about anything with that stuff. I should have known better than to even go in his basement, simply because he was asking me things like "are you married" and "what's your boyfriend like". All I could do was get up on my feet and tell him "I'm sure you have a lot of things you need to do, why don't you let me finish up here and then we'll go over your options." Luckily, he seemed to take the hint and left me alone. I went upstairs to measure the main floor, and the house was absolutely horrific. There was spoiled food on the kitchen counter, and dishes piled about 3' high everywhere. When I went into one of the bedrooms, there was fecal matter all over the floor. I did see a cat in the house, but I can assure you this was not cat poop. The smells in the house were so bad, I had to really concentrate on not throwing up all over myself. At that point, I decided enough was enough and I claimed "computer failure" and left. I was no sooner back at the office when he called and asked me out. Oh, I forgot to mention, he is probably about 58 and I'm 28. He was the craziest, most psychotic person I have met doing this job. After that incident, I wanted to start carrying something to be able to protect myself against future morons like this. I have a license to carry a concealed weapon, however it is against my company rules to have a weapon on the property. So I'm all for carrying a gun, however I'm just not allowed to do it! Guess I'll just have to stick with the pepper spray, and hope that nothing like that ever happens again.

[frozensolid]

http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/o/moon-rocks/gayvance.jpg

[midhvac]

kgouker, that's a scary story. Better stick with the pepper spray or get a stun gun. You pop a cap in a fag's butt and you'll wind up getting charged with a hate crime. There's a couple here who'd be upset with you too :D

[Diceman]

Wow, that reminds me of Silence Of The Lambs, next time you go in a crummy joint like that, walk right out the back door and tell the boss to send one of the big guys over.
Too many weirdos out there.
Where has Robo been, anyway?

[R12rules]

Dang it Dice .... your over your limit on posting numbers!!! You cleared 17K and still climbing outa sight!!! When I met you, you were less than 9K and now look at you ... how am I EVER gonna catch up???


This is not fair!!!



I'm just gonna hafta start overtime posting again...

[kingfish]

I had to post on this thread, as a Texas Gun toter. At least before I go post on the ***** thread. Dice deserves that!

[TB]

So how many people get an e-mail every time someone posts on this thread?

[hvacgirl1488]

Originally posted by ice machine undertaker

Originally posted by Diceman
I may have to post mine in retaliation.

Sure, then we can argue (debate?) who is better looking.

Fred

We already know what K looks like and Dice and the dog have me beat.

[frozensolid]

Girlie, don’t be so down on yourself, this is cyberspace your as pretty as you want to be. I have met women who did not have great physical beauty. After getting to know them, I saw they were actually gorgeous.

Maybe cliché but it’s true. To quote Grace Slick “your only pretty as you feel inside”. Focus on your positives, and don’t be such a downer.

[kgouker]

hvacgirl1488, I'm going to have to agree with frozensolid. Remember, beauty fades and it's what is inside that really matters.

You ever see a really "hot" guy, and then talk to him and realize that he is a total butt-head? Definitely makes him unattractive in my opinion. Usually the super attractive people are the ones that are stuck on themselves and no fun to be around!

To the world, you might be just someone. But to someone, you might be the world. :-)

[Diceman]

Originally posted by TB
So how many people get an e-mail every time someone posts on this thread?
I turned that off when I signed up.
Too many death threats.

[johnbl]

sawed off shotgun is the best defense. Dont need to dead accurate, but gets the job done well if necessary. Granted it is messy. JOHN

[johnbl]

RPB
M11/380 SMG
Buzzzzz Gun This baby of mine with over 1800
per minute will ruin any
burglars day..agree????????

[johnbl]

RPB
M11/380 SMG
Buzzzzz Gun

this baby of mine will definitely ruin any burglars day...with over 1800 rounds /min. agree guys????

[frozensolid]

Originally posted by johnbl
RPB
M11/380 SMG
Buzzzzz Gun

this baby of mine will definitely ruin any burglars day...with over 1800 rounds /min. agree guys????

Not to mention what it will do to your house. If the sawed off don't do it, run.

[conrad1]

I think I'm officialy afraid of most of you not because i think you guys are nuts but because i agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TB]

Any archers here? I just picked up a 45# bow (well, at least it's a 45 :) ) at the local gun show. Got a good deal on it, just to see if I get into it and want to spend more on a hunting outfit.

I don't know much about archery. This is a fiberglass recurve, just a bit bigger than the orange 30# bow I had growing up. About the only thing I know now is 1) don't dry fire a bow, and 2) wear a leather arm guard when shooting

[Wild Leg]

Originally posted by TB
Any archers here? I just picked up a 45# bow (well, at least it's a 45 :) ) at the local gun show. Got a good deal on it, just to see if I get into it and want to spend more on a hunting outfit.

I don't know much about archery. This is a fiberglass recurve, just a bit bigger than the orange 30# bow I had growing up. About the only thing I know now is 1) don't dry fire a bow, and 2) wear a leather arm guard when shooting

3)The pointy end of the arrow goes in the front.

[Diceman]

Yeah, that pointy end tip is pretty good.
I had a 55lb bow as a kid and you are right, don't forget that arm guard.....ouch....have fun.

[Diceman]

And although this really ain't about guns....technically......we still welcome it here with open arms....:D

[mattm]

Originally posted by TB
Any archers here?

I use a Horton crossbow. I'll post some pics of my toys soon.

[ricm]

Hmmm... I suspect that any 'road rage' situation, or critical incident where you'd need to pull out the ol' compound bow to 'draw' on said perpetrator would certainly get their interest. And you won't have to worry about that 'concealed weapon' issue most legal systems impose. :D

[hvacbear]

Soon they will ban "assult bows"

[ricm]

Well that's certainly true.... here in Canada... you can get 20 to life for having a pair of 24" sticks joined together with six links of chain that takes almost as long to master well enough so you don't knock you self out in your garage practicing.... but it's perfectly OK to have a shot gun propped up in the back window of your Red Neck Pick Up truck for easy access... Hmmmmmm..

[tonys]

That may open-up the Gun-Nut’s can of worms...

[mike4hvac]

I have a CZ-75B in 9mm and love it. It is the best semi auto I have ever fired. 1000+ rounds and still no jams. Check them out at http://www.cz-usa.com.

[ricm]

Yes Mike,

I fired the Browning 9mm for years in the Armed Forces, and loved it. A buddy of mine has a CZ (not sure of the exact modle) and it was tight n' light. A real pleasure to fire. I'd likely get a CZ if they ever lighten up on the rules in Canada. Not likely thought. I've never fired a .45 ACP as of yet. There are gun ranges here, I should get to know the people that run it. Will look into it this spring. Might be bustin' caps yet once again. :D

[spotts]

new guy!

[ozone drone]

If this thread gets any longer it will make the Bible look to be the size of a comic book.

[Diceman]

Originally posted by ozone drone
If this thread gets any longer it will make the Bible look to be the size of a comic book.
And it's more interesting too......

[karsthuntr]

I figure I have to post here now. I just got back from a service call where the HO owed 243.00 from 2 years ago. The house is back in the woods and I don't trust anybody that doesn't pay there bills. So I strapped my .25 on my side(VA has a open carry law) and ran the call.

I had no problems and he paid the past money and 150.00 for this evening.

I now need to apply for my CCW, paid for by the co. If I have to run calls in the woods at 11:00 at night they should pay for the permit.

Don't laugh at my .25, it was free and it is only for close range. It is more for show than protection.

[condenseddave]

Originally posted by karsthuntr
I figure I have to post here now. I just got back from a service call where the HO owed 243.00 from 2 years ago. The house is back in the woods and I don't trust anybody that doesn't pay there bills. So I strapped my .25 on my side(VA has a open carry law) and ran the call.

I had no problems and he paid the past money and 150.00 for this evening.

I now need to apply for my CCW, paid for by the co. If I have to run calls in the woods at 11:00 at night they should pay for the permit.

Don't laugh at my .25, it was free and it is only for close range. It is more for show than protection.

I'm not laughing, I'm just trying to figure out how to "open" carry that little thing.:D

Isn't there a minimum size, like you must be able to see the firearm when it's being brandished, before it's not considered "concealed Carry"????:p:D

[ricm]

OK... stop it you wacky kookie guys... it sounds like a flippin' Ozarks movie from the dark ages... YOU HAVE to pack fire arms for service calls?!?!? Jezziz Lousiziz... Tell me life in North America hasn't come to this!

[karsthuntr]

Originally posted by condenseddave

I'm not laughing, I'm just trying to figure out how to "open" carry that little thing.:D

Isn't there a minimum size, like you must be able to see the firearm when it's being brandished, before it's not considered "concealed Carry"????:p:D [/B]

I am suprised there is not a law like that. The only thing you can see when it is on my side is the handle.

I don't want to make it obvious that I have one but It still has to be seen.

[tlcartman]

it's nice to be back

[condenseddave]

Thank you for reopening this HVAC-Talk.com iconic thread.

Now, back to the firearm talk.;)

[frozensolid]

Cool Dice withdrew to his Pennwood bunker to plan strategy. BC uno became over whelmed with guilt and fear (it is a GUN thread you know), Then after having his mind altered with refrigerant gas, by Dice. BC uno succumbed to the Power of Guns and Diceman.

Well done you Goat lovin, Gun toting, fag rejected, shock loving psychopath. I applaud you, well done

[Collin]

This thread sucks.

[tinner73]

now where are Jennifer's pics??????????

[condenseddave]

Originally posted by Collin
This thread sucks.

Yeah, they oughtta close it, really.:rolleyes::D:p


OK, that was a joke.

[chillrdude]

Somebody should call Dice and get him out of bed and let him know his creation lives another day, course he probably cant sleep thinking about getting even with BC1, imagine his happiness in the morning.

[Swampfox]

Originally posted by tinner73
now where are Jennifer's pics??????????

I tried....anybody catch that link?

[condenseddave]

Nope. That one didn't make 2300 repliues before lockdown.

[condenseddave]

OK, post some pics, with partially clad women attached to guns.

"This is my rifle, this is my gun...":D:D:D


JK. Don't push it too far.

[condenseddave]

Just thought that this thread deserved a 2300th reply before I went to bed.;)

[TB]

Missed it--by that much...


Whoo ---WhOOO! but I started a new page again!

[Green Mountain]

That sticking to your guns, boys!

[Diceman]

Originally posted by frozensolid
Cool Dice withdrew to his Pennwood bunker to plan strategy. BC uno became over whelmed with guilt and fear (it is a GUN thread you know), Then after having his mind altered with refrigerant gas, by Dice. BC uno succumbed to the Power of Guns and Diceman.

Well done you Goat lovin, Gun toting, fag rejected, shock loving psychopath. I applaud you, well done
I still can't figure out why the Gay Mens Association rejected me so quickly.
I guess the revolution is over for now, shoulder your weapons men, but maintain your vigilance........:D

[spotts]

Hey BC-1, Thanx!

[Diceman]

The sun just came out, must be a sign.

[frozensolid]

Aw shut up, you had your fifteen minutes. Diceman now holds another record, first to recover a thread from HVAC-Talk purgatory.

Get over it, it's time to feed the goat.

[Diceman]

Originally posted by frozensolid
Aw shut up, you had your fifteen minutes. Diceman now holds another record, first to recover a thread from HVAC-Talk purgatory.


Someone is just jealous cause his "I play with myself too much" thread died off in 2 days.

[frozensolid]

I knew you would say that, and that's a big lie.

[frozensolid]

If you want to know the reason that thread died, and this one did not?

When a man holds, a gun in his hand he feels powerful and virile. He is still the same man but he revels in how others now perceive him strong

When a man holds, his Gun in his hand he is virile and powerful. Once again he is the same man. Only now he cowers in how others may perceive him weak.

“The Big Lie is not about how you are lying to others. It’s about how you are lying to yourself.

People have trouble with reality.

[Diceman]

Originally posted by frozensolid




People have trouble with reality.

I prefer fantasy myself.
Anyway, it may have been 3 days, I can't remember.

[Diceman]

And I think your gun needs a rest, you are gonna run out of ammo.

[MadeinUSA]

Maybe he is shooting blanks.

[Diceman]

I am, since the big cut almost 20 years ago.....
I still like going hunting though.......

[ricm]

Yeah, I too remember the big cut (still wake up screaming at 2:31 each night after 21 years) And I still like the hunt... I just can't remember why... :(

[Diceman]

Just checking...........:D

[rob10]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6880286/

[Diceman]

I bet the gun was registered in his name, another rocket scientist going to sing sing.

[wasp]

I have a concealed carry permit and I regularly shoot at IPSC and IDPA shoots which involves shooting bad guy targets, with hostages, around barracades, steel plates, strong hand and weak hand shooting. I prefer the .45 with 230 grain Federal HydraShok bullets. Yes I am very disciplined on to shoot or not to shoot. Just don't let me hear some kind of start buzzer such as a car horn or its all over but the dead guy's family lawsuit (HA HA HA!).

[ricm]

Originally posted by wasp
I have a concealed carry permit and I regularly shoot at IPSC and IDPA shoots which involves shooting bad guy targets, with hostages, around barracades, steel plates, strong hand and weak hand shooting. I prefer the .45 with 230 grain Federal HydraShok bullets. Yes I am very disciplined on to shoot or not to shoot. Just don't let me hear some kind of start buzzer such as a car horn or its all over but the dead guy's family lawsuit (HA HA HA!).

Assigned to collections?

"Excuse me Mrs. McFinkerstien... but I'm here to collect on a two week over due bill from when our tech teck was here to adust your Thermostat..."

"But I paid the bill there young man, why don't you come in for some tea and biscuits, and I'll see if I can find the bill."

"Ma-am... There is no need to become violent!!! This firearm I have leveled at your head is capable of hollowing a Rhinocereous on a dead run!"

"Tut tut my dear, come inside, the tea is getting cold... and do mind your shoes at the door; now there's a good lad."

[TB]

Originally posted by wasp
I have a concealed carry permit and I regularly shoot at IPSC and IDPA shoots which involves shooting bad guy targets, with hostages, around barracades, steel plates, strong hand and weak hand shooting. I prefer the .45 with 230 grain Federal HydraShok bullets. Yes I am very disciplined on to shoot or not to shoot. Just don't let me hear some kind of start buzzer such as a car horn or its all over but the dead guy's family lawsuit (HA HA HA!). How do hydra-shocks do on cardboard targets? :)

That sounds like fun!

[Diceman]

Fun but expensive.....

[ricm]

Ok, I'll bite... hydra-shocks? H2O filled rounds?

[ricm]

Hey Dice, still packing the 9 millie next to the meter in the tool bag? :D

[NormChris]

Originally posted by ricm
Ok, I'll bite... hydra-shocks? H2O filled rounds?





They are "hydra" shocks, not "hydro" shocks. Big difference.

[ricm]

Hi Norm... do tell. Explain the ammunition's qualities and such if you please. It sounds interesting.

Ric

[Diceman]

Originally posted by ricm
Hey Dice, still packing the 9 millie next to the meter in the tool bag? :D

It usually stays in the trucky poo.

[mattm]

Just as promised here is most of my toys. Two of them are toys, not really but they are bb guns. Can you guess which ones.

http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac1/190240_gunsII.jpg

[framehvac]

The fifth one down.

[mattm]

Originally posted by framehvac
The fifth one down.

If you're refering to the black rifle that's one, theres 2.

The top one is a 12 gauge double barrel and it's well over 100 years old. This old guy in the nieghborhood where we used to live gave it to me for fixing the a/c in his van.

[Edited by mattm on 02-04-2005 at 08:29 PM]

[NormChris]

Firearms owners tip #1.

Don't advertise what you own! Posting photos is even worse!

[mattm]

Originally posted by NormChris


Firearms owners tip #1.

Don't advertise what you own! Posting photos is even worse!



But it's ok this time. Everyone on here is honest. Besides only 3 have been used in illegal activities.

[Diceman]

What's up with that Rambo knife?

[mattm]

Originally posted by Diceman
What's up with that Rambo knife?

Ha Ha!!!! That's a "Buck" brand and it has a rubber handle. About 10 years ago I saw it and thought it would be great for camping. I've never used it.

[framehvac]

The bigger hand gun .

[mattm]

Originally posted by framehvac
The bigger hand gun .
Bingo!!

[framehvac]

To easy.

[glennwith2ns]

Poor attempt at keeping this thread ahead of Serverroom, I figure it should pass 9mm about the middle of March.

[ricm]

Originally posted by mattm

Originally posted by Diceman
What's up with that Rambo knife?

Ha Ha!!!! That's a "Buck" brand and it has a rubber handle. About 10 years ago I saw it and thought it would be great for camping. I've never used it.

Didn't Stalone pull a compass out of the handle of his Rambo Knife? Matt's Buck don't seem to have that feature...


I think Norm is correct... advertise and bring attention to yourself. If you are in buisness... that's a good thing... if you want other's to mind their own business... then it's a bad thing. I think. :D

[wasp]

Hydra-Shok is defensive bullet, expensive to blow at a shoot. I shoot 230 gr. ball ammo at the shoots.

[ricm]

Defensive as in, like a cross cut along the top of bullet? For more of a spread pattern on impact?

[wasp]

They are a hollow point designed with a small post sticking straight up from the bottom in the middle of the bullet (inside the hollow part) but not past the end of the bullet. The post is there to make the bullet expand rapidly upon impact making a large tract through the flesh, lungs, heart and a nasty exit wound if it makes it all the way through. Makes nasty results if shot into the head also.

[ricm]

Jeez... a Lawn dart makes a nasty mark in perspective when it comes to head shots... I hear much about the 'stopping power' of several rounds fired from several calibre weapons... but any entry wound is 'noticable'. Period! .22 Cal. , .555 Cal., 7.62mm. or howitzer 9 mile sniper rounds... Sheeeeeeit.... most of us complain when we get stung by a bee.


Build the bullet to make people not do nasty things to each other... one that makes them sick like beubonic plague... from both ends... for sixteen weeks... THEN we would learn our lessons! :(

[TB]

The Hydra-shock is Federal Ammo.'s attempt at ensuring expansion of the bullet. Since you only shoot to stop the action, you need to stop the action when you shoot. Standard hollow point bullets work fine, generally speaking when they hit, but cases have been found where the hollow point fired through material like heavy jackets, a down coat, or other object, acts like a cookie cutter, filling the 'hollow point' with material, causing it to act like a full metal jacketed bullet and not expand. I have seen Hydra- shocks also do this though. Expansion is important when a body shot to a drug numbed assailant must stop him asap. When the pain alone won't stop him, the projectile used must be able to. This dosent seem to be much problem for the .45, so the smaller callibers try to mimick their big brother by expansion on impact.

[ricm]

what about the .556 tumbling round... don't that scramble one's eggs?


shouldn't that be in a hand gun version?

[MadeinUSA]

If they are close, and you can not put a few into the ole coconut to turn the computer off, you do not need to be carrying a gun.

[wasp]

Every version of hollow point can get packed full of heavy material (winter clothing), that is why I prefer to shoot'em in the noggin. I carry 2 mags full of Hydra Shoks, one in the gun and one in first mag pouch and the third mag in the second mag pouch is full of standard 230 Gr. ball ammo (good for shooting through car doors, windshields, etc. if needed). Just for practice I have (10) 8" steel plates in my back yard (40 acres) that I shoot at to keep in practice if I can't make it to a pistol shoot while I am on call.

[mattm]

Ooops my bad. Didn't mean to post in this dark area.

[Diceman]

Originally posted by mattm
Ooops my bad. Didn't mean to post in this dark area.
The hell you didn't, you can't resist the urge, why try?

OK, here is one, you all know my wife's dad just passed away, he left a 22 baretta and a 9, I have them.
My son was home for the funeral, he is in the air force and has a few guns of his own. He asks to see the ones I got. I pulled the clips and gave them to him to look at. He checked to see if they were clear, but the 22 had some kind of weird way to clear the chamber, anyway, short story long, he is sitting here at my desk, my wife is here, he aims the gun at the floor under the desk and pulls the trigger......BANG, the 22 fired off..........nice...we were like, what the hell.........
one of those things, he knew enough to never play with even an unloaded gun, but unloaded guns kill lots of people I hear. **** happens.

[MadeinUSA]

So now with a hole shot in the floor, are you going to rig yourself up a funnel and tube under the desk like the truckers have so you can hang with the guys and increase your typing time. If the tube won’t fit through the whole, send him a ticket so he can come back home and increase it with the nine. :D

Glad nobody was hurt. Good thing you have a son with sense enough to always practice good gun handling and safety.

Did he holler out, “get to dancing” after it went off?

[Green Mountain]

I was studying the 1990 BOCA code for my water specialist test I have to take for my State license. It was so boring I decided to check out what was going on in the 9mm.thread.

Well--the plumbing code is suddenly exciting. :)

[frozensolid]

Dice Why is your basement half full of water?

[ricm]

Yeah Dice, I hear all of that. When I was 11, my oldest bro was into Hunter's Ed. course. He had a Remington .22, which my Mom hated (Raised on a farm, but still didn't like guns). (This was back in the day where you could buy a rifle and ammo easily here in Canada.) He (my oldest Bro) was practicing loading, unloading drills - bullet gets jammed. My Dad is working on freeing up the round from the chamber - all Brothers and Sisters (5 of us) standing around watching... Mom barks out the command that we kids should not be there. Seconds later... the dishes in the cupboard vapourize. Round went off while being pried on with butter knife... Dad went white, Mom went whiter then several deep variances of anrgy red. Us kids blasted off down the hall to our perspective rooms, plugged our ears as Mom gave Pop seven shades of supreme ****e! :D

[wasp]

Been around guns all my life, never had an accidental discharge.
But there was one time when 2 buddies and I were shooting baby food bottles out of the air (we had a few beers in us) and one of the .22 bullets came back and grazed one of the other guys across the side of the neck, there was a grey streak on the skin and he said it felt like he got stung by something. Needless to say that was enough for that day.

I was at a pistol match and got smacked on my right cheek just under my safety glasses by a piece of bullet fragment that ricocheted off of a steel popper, yeah, that felt good.

[Wild Leg]

contributing to the to the delinquency of a "minor" -Diceman?.

But here goes anyway:

One of my very earliest memories involved an accidental discharge of a firearm.
My dear old dad had loaned a 30-06 Remington to an employee, under promise of some fresh venison.(Bad idea, usually.)
This fellow soon moved on to a different job, and took the gun with him.
The rifle came home a few months later, after several "reminders" by my dad, and the county sheriff.
When he brought it back, he made sure Dad wasn't home.
Mom, who HATED guns and knew nothing about them, answered the door.
She didn't let him in the house, and he handed her the rifle at the door.
She put it in a closet, near the front door, and forgot about it.
I found it, and somehow managed to shoot a hole through several walls and the front door.
I was somewhere around two or three years old.
Nobody was injured, but I certainly remember the amazingly LOUD noise it made.
Sorry borrower apparently brought it back loaded, with a round in the chamber, to make sure he had the upper hand. Didn't bother to tell Mom.

I STILL don't hear well.

[mattm]

I am originally from Somerset KY, I still have lots of family down there and we spend a lot of time visiting and camping at the lake. Well I've got this one redneck cousin and when he was about 15 he decided to see if his pellet gun could shoot through the bootom of his boot. Needless to say "dumb ass" was in surgey for 5 hours to get a pellet removed from his calf. It went through the boot, through his foot and lodged in the muscle.

[Diceman]

I told this one before but here goes. When our kids were little we didn't own guns. My wife's dad did, he kept one in his nightstand, he was older and lived alone and out of town. The nightstand also had other neat trinkets in it.
My wife went to visit him and took our son and daughter, who were about 6 and 4. Now my wife is also pregnant with our 3rd and final offering to humanity.
I had to work but was coming up in a few days to meet her there. She used to nag her dad about the gun being there.
So they arrive, her dad is sitting at the kitchen table, my 6 yr old son runs into the house and upstairs to check out papa's cool room. My wife goes upstairs to pee being that she is pregnant and really has to go. She gets to the top of the stairs and my son is aiming the gun at her and says "Freeze." Just like in all the cop shows on TV.
She went pale, and then flipped out. It was loaded of course, a 357 magnum.

[Wild Leg]

Originally posted by Diceman
...FREEZE...


Kids.

They say the darnedest things...

[mattm]

C'mon he was only 6. I'm sure he yelled FWEEZE!!or I will choot you!

I would have **** on myself.

[Diceman]

Originally posted by mattm
C'mon he was only 6. I'm sure he yelled FWEEZE!!


Actually, that is pretty accurate.

[ricm]

A good case to lock up the iron... so that kids don't become victims by finding said iron.

[rob10]

http://premium.cnn.com/pr/video/us/2005/02/18/griffin.50.caliber.gun.cnn.exclude.html

[ruger73]

i am all for carrying a concealed weapon i am from lima,ohio shortly after me and my wife moved here she was at a stop light and a man jumped in her car and had her drive him around for 2 hours ong story short he finally got out and since that time we have both carried she carries a taurus 9mm with 2 15 round clips and i carry a ruger 45 auto i am glad to see that ohio has finally opened their eyes to the ccw law no we can do it legally up till this point it has been 12 years we have carried them illeagally.
i know not everyone agrees with my point but if it comes to mylife,my wifes life or our children the other man will perish this is a fact.. i support anyones decision or nondecision if they wish to have their life in someone else's hands me i like to control my own.

[Diceman]

I had a Taurus but traded up to a S&W, a much better gun.

[ricm]

Wow, just looked up the Taurus 24/7. It looks like a nice balanced 9 milli... how is it for reliability? Short barrel, but looks like it would make 'perp' sit up and take notice. Although, it's moot here in Canada - If I tagged someone in my home with such a weapon, and he survived... I'd be the one in the can while he goes free.
:(

[Diceman]

It is not accurate so be close if ya need to use it.

[wasp]

Ricm,

Buy yourself a riot shotgun and load it with 3 inch magnum 00 buckshot, 8 to 10 rounds depending on model. Leave the chamber empty and when you hear perp entering the house, rack the slide back and forth to load it. If the sound of loading a shotgun does not deter him, then blast his ass! You might take out the tv or some pictures on the wall, but it is worth a justifiable shooting.

You would have to be mindful of where you and the perp are in relation to kids bedrooms, etc. when you let one rip. But that goes for handguns also.

That is why I practice so much.

[ricm]

Does the same apply to the 'perp' being a super model trying to put women's magazines on my coffee table?

[ruger73]

Originally posted by ricm
Wow, just looked up the Taurus 24/7. It looks like a nice balanced 9 milli... how is it for reliability? Short barrel, but looks like it would make 'perp' sit up and take notice. Although, it's moot here in Canada - If I tagged someone in my home with such a weapon, and he survived... I'd be the one in the can while he goes free.
:(
my wife has the taurus pt92 and it is very accurate it is a great hand gun i think its ok but i prefer the larger calibers myself

[ricm]

does the larger calibre go with larger cohonies? Is it a testosterone thing? I think a 9 milli warning shot or even 13 if it comes down to that, could easily be placed into the perp's head... closer to where he thinks... so that he get's the message to stop mis-behavior right now... not any longer.

But the truth of the matter is... if you live where fear guides your thoughts on calibre... are you and your family in the right place to live?

I dunno... never had the need to really rely on weapons in home defence. Seems as though we Canucks are too mellow to worry about it. Although I think there is 1% of us wish we were packin' at the time of discontent. :(

[carbine10]

I have a CCW and carry all the time. My carry gun is a Glock 19 in 9mm with Winchester Rangers 127 grain +P+ Hollowpoints. It the new and correct name for Black Talons. Caliber size is not the main factor for selfdefense. It's shot placement. People are killed by .22 long rifle bullets. So 9mm is just fine. Just practice alot with it.Also shoot it from different positions, on a knee, laying down, etc... You won't always be standing straight in front of your target.

[wasp]

OOPS! I forgot to mention to know for sure if it is a scumbag or not.

No, I would not shoot a supermodel....but my wife might!

[ricm]

Originally posted by carbine10



Caliber size is not the main factor for selfdefense. It's shot placement. People are killed by .22 long rifle bullets. So 9mm is just fine. Just practice alot with it.Also shoot it from different positions, on a knee, laying down, etc... You won't always be standing straight in front of your target.

I agree with that. Used to fire a Browning 9mm on a 25 yard range in the Forces. Most rounds hit their intended mark when aiming each shot. However, the circumstances aren't the same ventilating paper targets as they would be in a emergency situation with lights out, and you just woke up to a situation where you have to decide when, and where you discharge your piece. Center of mass, most likely. I'm guessing if the 'perp' survives the first round, they would rather leave to lick their wounds. Also they now know you are serious in him/her not being there, so will likely want to leave in a bid for survival.

If they are influenced by drugs or aren't 'afraid' of a lil' old hole in their lung... you might feel compelled to proceed with the next step.

There, now that you and your family are safe, this situation is FAR from over! Now you have to wait until the maid comes in tomorrow to clean this mess up. And hopefully the 13 sonic booms didn't wake the kids up.

[ruger73]

Originally posted by carbine10


I have a CCW and carry all the time. My carry gun is a Glock 19 in 9mm with Winchester Rangers 127 grain +P+ Hollowpoints. It the new and correct name for Black Talons. Caliber size is not the main factor for selfdefense. It's shot placement. People are killed by .22 long rifle bullets. So 9mm is just fine. Just practice alot with it.Also shoot it from different positions, on a knee, laying down, etc... You won't always be standing straight in front of your target.
i agree caliber size is not really a factor to me that is why my wife carries the taurus pt 92 i just have always liked the 45 i also have a sigma series 40 caliber as well that i go back and forth too those are just my preferencs i have a friend who will carry nothing more than a 22 north american arms 5 shot shots the magnum shell and he is happy with his choice i guess the whole point is what ever you are happy with is all that matters as far as needing a firearm for home defense it is not so much that as far as needing it while you are out around town shopping or other items alot of times we get late night service calls and they are not always in the best parts of the town what are you going to do be scared or protect urself i prefer not to be scared .

[ruger73]

Originally posted by ricm
does the larger calibre go with larger cohonies? Is it a testosterone thing? I think a 9 milli warning shot or even 13 if it comes down to that, could easily be placed into the perp's head... closer to where he thinks... so that he get's the message to stop mis-behavior right now... not any longer.

But the truth of the matter is... if you live where fear guides your thoughts on calibre... are you and your family in the right place to live?

I dunno... never had the need to really rely on weapons in home defence. Seems as though we Canucks are too mellow to worry about it. Although I think there is 1% of us wish we were packin' at the time of discontent. :(
its not where i live that guides our thoughts my neighbor hood is great no problems however at the malls ,gas stations, banks even just pulling up to a stop light can be problem in certain parts and i know you will say just stay out of those parts of town sometimes it is just not possible to do that . we have never had a problem at the house our only problem has been when we are out . also a lot of times for after hours calls we dont always go to the upper class neighborhoods and i feel much better knowing that i have a chance carring my 45 rather than no chance at all now i also carry a 40 caliber sigma series as well that is just my preference for all intents and purposes a 22 is great thats just not me i even carry at work my boss has no problem with that since one of our guys were working at a gas station and got the crap kicked out of him with a 357 whippen just for 35.00 and his battery drill so what are you going to do i agree the world would be a better place if everyone could get along BUT lets face it thats only in a dream world

[Boiling Point]

PROPERLY EQUIPPED
Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love this!!!! This is
one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of a National
Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine
Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting
his military installation.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to
teach
these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery,
and
shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the
rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous
activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle
discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not
one, are you?

The radio went silent and the interview ended. All over America, people
were
thinking: Semper Fi, Marine!

[ruger73]

in regards to the interview that boiling point posted, i wish i could have heard that interview that is just the greatest.

[musemguy]

Hey Dice former Corrections officer turned HVAC tech here.
You do not have to be violent or crazy to want protection. However make sure that you get some training to go with a weapon. The State did a pretty fair job and I would not hesitate to protect my life, families lives or when I was working for the state the lives of other I would never even know. And no I never shot anyone in the prision where I worked. But had there been a riot I would have. It is what we were trained to do

[Boiling Point]

By any chance - would that of been a womens prison??? Got any pics?? :)

[tonys]

...sounds like there are quite a few folks out there heavily armed, and ready, for some impending attack.

what a 'wonderful' world, indeed.




(you're welcome, d-Man)





[Edited by tonys on 02-22-2005 at 10:52 AM]

[Diceman]

Originally posted by tonys
...sounds like there are quite a few folks out there heavily armed, and ready, for some impending attack.

(what a 'wonderful' world, indeed)
500 more pages coming right up......:D

[fat eddy]

All guns should be totally outlawed, there is nothing I mean absolutely nothing in the constitution that remotely implies that you have the right to own ( none the less carry ) a firearm.

[htinglky]

Do any of you have any idea what it takes to take a human life? How it haunts you forewver?
Ask any combat vet, special forces in particualr.
I keep guns in the house but will never carry one again on the street, unmless I'm back in cameo
's

[rob10]

To protect my family or myself would come as natural as breathing air. I concur with the previous post about owning a 12 guage sawed off for home protection.

[ruger73]

Originally posted by htinglky
Do any of you have any idea what it takes to take a human life? How it haunts you forewver?
Ask any combat vet, special forces in particualr.
I keep guns in the house but will never carry one again on the street, unmless I'm back in cameo
's personally no but after caring for my father who is a wounded combat vet from vietnam, who i might add is still alive and has no problem with taking another mans life even to this day i am a FIRM believer in protecting ones property ,life and family.i agree with rob10
it would be as natural as breathing when it comes to my family or myself and contrary to what some ppl think about outlawing firearms if they dont like the fact that we have the right to carry them in the usa then they should consider moving to a country where they can be taken advantage of by the crooks who get them illeagally while u follow the law and dont own one see how happy u are then, dont know about anyone else but really think it is better to kill a crook rather than watch him rape and murder my children and wife !!! of course this is just my opinion i believe killing a man would be easier to deal with rather than trying to deal with the fact that i could have protected my family but was too chicken s--t to do it try thinking about that one for a sleeping pill for a while why dont u then see if your opinion changes..

[ruger73]

Originally posted by fat eddy
All guns should be totally outlawed, there is nothing I mean absolutely nothing in the constitution that remotely implies that you have the right to own ( none the less carry ) a firearm. be a victim once and see if your opinion changes or if you just like to sit around knowing you could have done something but didnt and then deal with those choices the rest of your life

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by fat eddy
All guns should be totally outlawed, there is nothing I mean absolutely nothing in the constitution that remotely implies that you have the right to own ( none the less carry ) a firearm. The second amendment was made to protect us from people like you.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by htinglky
Do any of you have any idea what it takes to take a human life? How it haunts you forewver?
Ask any combat vet, special forces in particualr.
I keep guns in the house but will never carry one again on the street, unmless I'm back in cameo
's So if you are out at night and a crook is threatening your family, you are saying you will stand back and let him have his way with your wife or children rather than kill him even with your bare hands?

What definition of “MAN” are you looking at in Webster’s?

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by wasp
Ricm,

Buy yourself a riot shotgun and load it with 3 inch magnum 00 buckshot, 8 to 10 rounds depending on model. Leave the chamber empty and when you hear perp entering the house, rack the slide back and forth to load it. If the sound of loading a shotgun does not deter him, then blast his ass! You might take out the tv or some pictures on the wall, but it is worth a justifiable shooting.

You would have to be mindful of where you and the perp are in relation to kids bedrooms, etc. when you let one rip. But that goes for handguns also.

That is why I practice so much.

You would be wise to only have #8 shot in your shot gun so it will not penetrate your neighbor’s house. If you can not stop the crook with eight, you need some training.

[MadeinUSA]

Edit- double post

[wasp]

I live in the country on 40 acres and neither of my neighbors houses are in eyesight of my house. I have many guns but my favorite is my Kimber Ultra Compact .45 from the custom shop with ambidextrious safeties and Trijicon night sights, and I am extremely proficient with it and all my other weapons.

The shotgun statement I made was for those who are not familiar with handguns. It is as simple as using a mouse on the computer---point and click.(or BANG!! rather)

As far as veterans go, my father was in Vietnam and saw and done alot of killing, he has nightmares but that does not deter him from shooting for sport (action pistol as I do) and no, he nor I would hesitate to drop the hammer on someone.

[Diceman]

Maybe 1000 more pages.....who knows??????:D

[wasp]

Fat Eddy needs to move to Australia where they oultlawed guns and the crime rate went up.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by Diceman
Maybe 1000 more pages.....who knows??????:D Robo and I could always have a Town Hall meeting here to increase the post count. :D

[htinglky]

No Clyde I didnt say that, If need be for my family, a emergency worker or anyone else I would killl and I dont need a gun to do it, my service truck is full of all sorts of weapons, some called tols, some called chemicals.
Take a life and see,
Ruger73 to your Dad, from one brother to another who has been there Welcome home
HOOYA DEVIL DUCKS

[ruger73]

Originally posted by htinglky
No Clyde I didnt say that, If need be for my family, a emergency worker or anyone else I would killl and I dont need a gun to do it, my service truck is full of all sorts of weapons, some called tols, some called chemicals.
Take a life and see,
Ruger73 to your Dad, from one brother to another who has been there Welcome home
HOOYA DEVIL DUCKS
i figured you still had it in you, that kinda sh-t affects everyone differently and you really dont know how you are going to react till it happens or how you are going to feel afterwards as far as dad goes i am sure he will say thank you and have some other things to say as well i will tell him tonight when i see him.

[tonys]

the "second amendment" argument is always amusing.

can an amendment (written a few hundred years ago) be amended to reflect a new approach...possibly an enlightened one?

in a dream world...an utopia of sort, is a society WITHOUT easily concealed, easily obtained, rapid fire weapons a Good Thing?
If so, why not try to work towards the ideal?
If not, and you are a law abiding, tax paying citizen...just one question:
Why are you living in fear?


[Note: for the good'ol boyz...this is not a reference to hunting rifles]

[Diceman]

Originally posted by madeinusa

Originally posted by Diceman
Maybe 1000 more pages.....who knows??????:D Robo and I could always have a Town Hall meeting here to increase the post count. :D
If things slow down I'll give ya call......

[karsthuntr]

Notice they all say The People.

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Connecticut: Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state (1818).

Kentucky: [T]he right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned (1792).

Massachusetts: The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence (1780).

Pennsylvania: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination, to, and governed by, the civil power (1776).

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned (1790).

Rhode Island: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed (1842).

Tennessee: The freemen of this State have a right to keep and bear arms for their common defence (1796).

Vermont: The people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power (1777).


Definition of Arms:


1. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms.
2. A branch of a military force: infantry, armor, and other combat arms.
3. arms
1. Warfare: a call to arms against the invaders.
2. Military service: several million volunteers under arms; the profession of arms.
4. arms
1. Heraldry. Bearings.
2. Insignia, as of a state, an official, a family, or an organization.

[fat eddy]

It says that they will not change the right given by the articles of confederation because of the need for a state sponsored militia. It does not give a right or imply that the government should even consider the right. Just that it recognized the right by the previous. So it is legal now only because it has not been Challenged. Please help me in challenging it.

[karsthuntr]

Give me a link that says that, so I can prove you wrong.

[fat eddy]

There is no link thats just my interpretation.

[karsthuntr]

So your just full of .....


I would take Wasp's suggestion and move down under.

[fat eddy]

Whats your interpretation ?

[ruger73]

if i am not mistaken the second admendment has been challanged and has been up held by the united states supreme court to verify this i am researching the exact case for you fateddy so there is no misunderstanding of how it is interpeted by the ppl and the supreme court and i believe that once they haved ruled it will take an act of congress to change it and i dont see that happening anytime soon due to politicians wanting to keep their jobs jsut my opinion but i will quote you the case shortly

[karsthuntr]

Damn dude you just saw it, it is in plain text. It needs no interperation. Our forefathers did not want it to be interperated so they kept it short and sweet.

If you don't want guns than the United States is not for you. This right will never be changed unless there is world peace. Humans are a species that like to fight, they like war, it is a basic instinct and cannot be changed. We may evolve out of it, but it will take millions of years. Not in my lifetime and not in yours.

Guns do not kill people, people kill people, and they will do it with guns, knives, spoons, hands, rocks, automobiles, etc...

You can be killed with any object. I know how to kill you with a feather (this is military training).

[rob10]

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.





You are a moron!!!

[fat eddy]

It is prefaced with a condition when the condition expires so does the right. It says "the right" as it already existed. It does not say "have" or "shall"

Thanks for the name calling,

[Edited by fat eddy on 02-23-2005 at 08:32 PM]

[rob10]

The preface states that we have to maintain a a safe place to live. That will never change.

[fat eddy]

And we have that, without well regulated vigilantes

[rob10]

It's your business if a juiced up crack head rapes your wife while you stand there and piss on yourself!!

[ruger73]

Originally posted by fat eddy
And we have that, without well regulated vigilantes just because we own firearms and are willing to protect our own lifes and that of our families does not make us vigilantes last i checked we do not just go out shootin up the neighborhood now mind you i am in favor of stiffer penalities for those who misuse firearms and commit crimes but dont punish those who have common sense and respect

[karsthuntr]

Did the 911 terrorists use guns?

Would the outcome be different if the fedral marshalls would have been in place then?

The rifles I have are for hunting. The pistol is for self-defense (if someone breks into my house they will be shot, wether they have a gun or not). All these guns can be used for self-defense if needed.

I will not live in fear in my own home!

What would we do if guns were outlawed and the wild animals, we call game, took over the city's and the country? Our car's would be totaled every week and the insurance would be astronomical. There would probally be a lot more deaths due to car accidents than gun shot wounds now.

[fat eddy]

Isn't the reality that, if there were no firearms that there would be less homicides ? How could that not possibly be true ?

[rob10]

The government and criminals. I'm not giving either one that kind of control over my life or my families!!

[ruger73]

Originally posted by rob10
The government and criminals. I'm not giving either one that kind of control over my life or my families!! HELL no i agree with you 1000000 percent

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Isn't the reality that, if there were no firearms that there would be less homicides ? Don’t you get it? Thugs will use whatever is available to them to commit a crime be it a baseball bat, a knife, whatever. When will you people understand this? Take for instance people in jail. They do not have access to guns, so they make knives out of whatever they can get their hands on to protect themselves. Same thing would happen on the streets if guns where outlawed. Crooks would use whatever means available to commit a crime.

[karsthuntr]

Homicide will not go down. This has been proven in AU.
Violent crimes will not go down. This has been proven in AU.



Like I said you can kill somebody with any object.

How many so called homicides are ruled "accidental death". More than you think. Just because they were not shot doesn't mean it wasn't a murder.

All statistics can be altered to make it look worse or better than what it actually is.

[MadeinUSA]

Oh, and fast Eddy, if you do not like the way this country has survived with the present constitution for over 200 years, please go purchase yourself a one way ticket out of the country , and don’t let the plane door hit you in your butt. You will never take our rights to bear arms in this country you communist.

[MadeinUSA]

Oh and one more thing, you really have a lot of nerve coming onto a web site of hard working Americans who are the backbone of this great country and trying to suggest we need to give up our rights. You are on a fast track of not being welcome real quick by 99.9% of the regulars here, I can tell you that.

[fat eddy]

I suppose the rights your talking about don't apply to me or anyone else that has an opinion contrary to yours.

[MadeinUSA]

You weren’t talking about opinions here communist. You were talking and trying to get others to help take our rights away. Do not try to turn around what you were saying. You have every right to “your opinions”, like we all do, but you don’t have the right to organize to take our rights away from us communist. This is where we get to clean the dust out of the gun barrels bozo.

[fat eddy]

Communist ?? try Liberal

[karsthuntr]

The only reason he doesn't want guns is because someone is going to bust a cap in his ass. If they take away guns he can be a communist and not get shot.

[fat eddy]

Ok I might as well argue with the wall, anyone who can read the 2nd and think that it gives them a right to own a gun. Is just plain ******

[ruger73]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Ok I might as well argue with the wall, anyone who can read the 2nd and think that it gives them a right to own a gun. Is just plain ****** well it seems to me that we the ppl are not the only ones who think this it does seem to me that the government thinks so as well cause the right is still there and we can still own them if you dont like them i am sure there are enough of us on where who will help you pack and take you to the airport and see you off.

[fat eddy]

The courts have not looked at it for over a hundred years and when they did before that it was not in the context of a verifying a right.

[karsthuntr]

I'll buy the ticket. As long as you promise not to come back.

[rob10]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Communist ?? try Liberal You won't last long here!! Anybody heard from James 3528??

[fat eddy]

Why not you guys have a lot to learn I will probably last a long time. It is your benefit not mine.

[ruger73]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Why not you guys have a lot to learn I will probably last a long time. It is your benefit not mine. heres something to learn from try explaining you ideas about banning firearms to my wifes cousin whos husband has killed last sept in new hampshire during a break in because he didnt believe in protecting himself like you would not own a firearm and was killed by a ballbat so now you take that one and see how your attitude would be after that had he had a firearm even just to scare the perp would that have not been bettr than just gettin beat in the head oh and yes he called 911 when he heard the noise they responded 15 minutes later

[fat eddy]

An isolated incident,

cannot be applied to the whole country as a hole the percentages say it would be safer for the general public if there were no guns.

[ruger73]

Originally posted by fat eddy
An isolated incident,

cannot be applied to the whole country as a hole the percentages say it would be safer for the general public if there were no guns. how crimals will always get them look at austrila they are out lawed but you know who has them now the government and the crimals violent crimes with firearms has went up 47 percent sine they outlawed firearms how does tat make it better you will not eliminate the problem by taking away from law abiding citizens and allowing crooks to run wild

[karsthuntr]

It is not isolated it is just not reported because the media are also liberal communists.

[ruger73]

Originally posted by karsthuntr
It is not isolated it is just not reported because the media are also liberal communists. i agree this is a proven fact

[fat eddy]

Crime much like abortions has more to do with the economy than any law governing them. You said crimes with firearms went up 47% since they outlawed them and do you know why ? I mean can't you figure that out ? the crime hasn't changed its just that it used to be legal to own them and now its not most of that rate is for people having them not using them, the only barometer is the homicide rate with firearms.

[karsthuntr]

Weapons are more effective with the threat of force. If the weapons are not a factor than the criminals have nothing to fear.

[ruger73]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Crime much like abortions has more to do with the economy than any law governing them. You said crimes with firearms went up 47% since they outlawed them and do you know why ? I mean can't you figure that out ? the crime hasn't changed its just that it used to be legal to own them and now its not most of that rate is for people having them not using them, the only barometer is the homicide rate with firearms. no no no put urself in the crooks head if you believed that the person u were about to rob,mug,rape,whatever the case might be if you thought they might be armed and able to end ur life as easily as they can wouldnt you think twice but now if you knew that they did not own a firearm and the law says they cant well then hi ho hi ho open season for the crooks we go

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Why not you guys have a lot to learn I will probably last a long time. It is your benefit not mine. Trust me. Anyone who has problems interpreting the 2 ND amendment is incapable of teaching me anything. Communist. Yes you are a communist, because communist take your rights away.

[ruger73]

now mind you there are other variables for this situtation i know this but in part if they have the brains to plan it out which most do then they due think about the end result as well

[wasp]

The states that allow concealed carry have a lesser crime rate than those who don't.

[fat eddy]

If he had a gun he would be breaking the law.

I personally sleep with a fire extinguisher nearby and I'll tell you what I would rather have that than a gun with that I don't have to be able to aim in the dark, just spray, and whem its empty I have a pretty neat little blunt instument,and in case of fire it will break a window a lot better than a gun can.

[karsthuntr]

I bet I can change your mind.


What is your address?

[ruger73]

Originally posted by wasp
The states that allow concealed carry have a lesser crime rate than those who don't.

this is a proven fact this was brought up in ohio thats why they finally passed the law for ccw permits and the law enforcement agencies endorse it as well because we are required to go thru training before you get your permit now i know there are some who still oppose it but this is america and majority rules

[htinglky]

Like my collegue said, A sawes off 12 ga will do all the same
Nothing like a boomer slamming shut to terrorize the bad guys
Uncle Sam taught thast and lots of other goodies

[fat eddy]

Majorities are for democratic countries we live in a republic.

[ruger73]

either way the people voted and it is the law the government accepted it and so we have the right to carry as we see fit

[wasp]

I don't live in fear, I refuse to be taken advantage of!

[fat eddy]

Karst You are kidding right? In that case you would need a gun.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by fat eddy
An isolated incident,

cannot be applied to the whole country as a hole the percentages say it would be safer for the general public if there were no guns. An isolated incident,

……..it is not an isolated incident. The man gave you a real scenario which happened supporting why having a gun to protect yourself is beneficial, and you are too much of an amateur debater to acknowledge when you have been wrong. Further more, this very scenario would occur more frequently if all crooks new they had the advantage of all homes being unarmed, but you are too much of an idiot to figure this out.

cannot be applied to the whole country as a hole the percentages say it would be safer for the general public if there were no guns.

……….Oh but it can be applied to the whole country just as I stated above. Thank god we never have to worry about someone with your level of IQ ever getting in a position to disarm this country.

[indian]

The popular matches are now a 3 gun variety. Bring the shotgun, pistol, and the assult rifle. Let the afraid hide and soak in their own wetness!

[ruger73]

thank you madeinusa at least some of us are on the same page and understand life

[fat eddy]

Well Ruger,

Its late I'm going to bed, and I suggest you go to Amazon.com, they sell books there ( no not comic books don't get excited ) do a search for something like
" American +History " and buy all of them then have someone read them to you.

[wasp]

Guns don't kill people, Postal workers do!!

[ruger73]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Well Ruger,

Its late I'm going to bed, and I suggest you go to Amazon.com, they sell books there ( no not comic books don't get excited ) do a search for something like
" American +History " and buy all of them then have someone read them to you. as a matter of fact there mr intelligent i happen to have a degree in history see some of us spent our time actually learning and deciding how our lifes were going to go .

[ruger73]

just so happens i have several majors and anytime you are willing to actually learn something drop me a line i can teach anyone

[MadeinUSA]

The man has the name “ed” in his name. Surely this isn’t Dice on a different computer messing with us to increase the post count on his thread. :D

[wasp]

This is fun!

[ruger73]

anything is possible

[ruger73]

bottom line everyone has a different opinion just so happens that we who are for this issue have the right one and everyone else is wrong

[wasp]

Fat Eddy could be right............................................. ...............Yeah Right!!!!

[Edited by BC1 on 03-09-2005 at 10:51 AM]

[wasp]

Wow my finger got stuck on the period button. Simulated machine gun fire (LOL).

I know everyone is entitled to an opinion but some people are totally irrational, have no sense of humor and totally anal retentive.

[thehumid1]

Well a lil of the 9mm topic but I finished a fifth of rum

and did 2 yagemeister shots so i fell pretty good and was thinking i should get stuff
done while i feel good
and i haven't cleaned my hk mk23 in awhile.
Should i attempt this ?

or is it a project best left for another day.

Well holla back at me

I gotta go my fravoite scene in the DEERHUNTER is coming up!

[Edited by thehumid1 on 02-23-2005 at 11:38 PM]

[thehumid1]

damn ...CHRISTOPHER WALKEN IS NOT AN ACTOR....

HE IS A PAID PSYCOTIC!!!

AND MY PERSONAL HERO!!!

[thehumid1]

Y'all took to long to answer me
and I was scroungin for some carling black label
in the basement reefer
and forgot all about the fact
I had one of the neighbors in there
from "the July 4th" incident.

So I messed around in the garage
and got the sement mixxxer goin.

I figyour if i thro some anti ice frez stiff 4
the kar in dheres it should sti kure ok....
any "free" masons out there?

[ricm]

Ah humid... A good idea to get things done, maybe clean out the attic, or mow the lawn... The most awesome patterns in the grass tonight can be influenced with Rum and Black lable beer, however old yer ol' buddies Heckler and Koch, should rest the night - not unlike yourself. :D

[thehumid1]

Originally posted by ricm
Ah humid... A good idea to get things done, maybe clean out the attic, or mow the lawn... The most awesome patterns in the grass tonight can be influenced with Rum and Black lable beer, however old yer ol' buddies Heckler and Koch, should rest the night - not unlike yourself. :D


NAH DIGGING IN COLD GROUND I JUST LEARNED IS STUPID AND ..COLD.

SO I PLUGGED THE PLUG ON THE MIXXXER.

BUT I HAVE TO TAKE THIS BAIT...

HOOK LINE SINKER

HECKLER AND KOCH?

I MEAN I LIKE MOVIES SEEN "TURNER AND HOOCH"..

THELMA AND LOUISE...

YES HANDS DOWN HOOCH LOOOKED BEETER THAN BOTH THOSE BI..A..TCHES.


I HAVE SEEN SCHINDLERS LIST BUT NOT KOCH'S LIST NOR KOCH'S PISSED...


BY THE WAY ....

A LIL EXPERTISE HERE:DON'T TRY TO DIG COLD GROUND

IT IS COMPACT ....
MOLECULES TEND TO HUDDLE IN THE COLD

LIKE A BAND OF GAY VIKINGS:

CHECK OUT THIS THREAD IN THE GEN POP SECT:

Vikings trade Randy Moss to Raiders

BUT WHEN U ARE DONE EXPLAIN TO ME THIS...

THE WHOLE HECKLER AND KOCH THANG...
IF NECESSARY USE X/Y AXIS CAUSE I AM SLOW.

JUST DONT GET CUTE WITH THAT X=Y CRAP

[Green Mountain]

I have to admit, humid1, that is probably the wierdest thing that I have ever read on H-Talk. :D

[Diceman]

Yeah, lets get **** faced and clean the guns......:D
These kids last week, got all drunk, were driving around at 3AM shooting signs with a 22, kid accidently shot himself in the head, he was 19.

[thermister]

Hey fellas,

Guns and booze dont mix. Here is an artical from the Anchorage paper about butcher knive and upset women, apparently they do not mix either!
__________________________________________________ ___
Mutilation suspect still jailed without bail

Daily News staff

Published: February 22nd, 2005
Last Modified: February 22nd, 2005 at 02:43 AM


A woman remains in Anchorage jail with no bail set after mutilating the genitals of her boyfriend late Saturday night.

Kim Tran, 35, was arraigned Monday on three felony charges: sexual assault, assault and tampering with evidence.

A public defense attorney will be appointed to represent Tran during a pre-indictment hearing before a Superior Court judge today, according to Magistrate Brian Johnson.

Tran was arrested at her home early Sunday after police found her cleaning up a trail of blood that stretched across her house.

She and her boyfriend, who is married to her aunt, had been quarreling because Tran wanted the man to leave his wife, marry her and have children with her, according to charging documents.

The man said he only wanted to have sex with her, the documents say. They started to have sex and she tied up his hands. Tran, feeling "used and angry," cut off his penis with a kitchen knife, according to the documents. She flushed the penis down the toilet and drove the man to Providence Alaska Medical Center.

The penis was recovered from the toilet by wastewater utility workers and reattached surgically by 6 a.m. Sunday.
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Not a good day to be a plumber!
Now I ask anyone with a brain, with people as twisted as these, walking around the "normal folk" like all of us...well?
Why would you not want to keep a scattergun handy??

[Wild Leg]

This happened today in my little town.
Read the part about concealed carry & bullet proof vest.

from:

http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=2995937&nav=3w6oWnJQ

Tyler Police have confirmed two people outside the Smith County Courthouse have been killed after dozens of shots were fired starting just before 1:30p.m.

The two killed at the courthouse have now been identified: Maribel Estrada, the estranged wife of the alleged shooter, David Hernandez Arroyo, and citizen Mark Wilson. Wilson is licensed to carry a concealed weapon and fired several shots at Arroyo. Arroyo, however, was wearing a bulletproof vest.

Three other people were injured in the shooting. Those have been identified as a Tyler Police Detective, Smith County Sheriff's Deputy and Arroyo's son.

The Arroyos were reportedly at the courthouse for a custody hearing. Tyler Police say there was a dispute over child support.



[Edited by bwal2 on 02-24-2005 at 07:28 PM]

[fat eddy]

See they wouuld still be alive if there were no guns, and what I forgot to mention yesterday was that it is not only homicide rates that would go down but also suicide rates.

[mattm]

Originally posted by fat eddy
See they wouuld still be alive if there were no guns,

That makes a lot of sense. So you believe only the criminals should have guns? If it wasn't guns it would be something else and anyway how in the world would the government be able to take away all guns??

Better take away all the baseball bats now.

[mattm]

Originally posted by fat eddy
what I forgot to mention yesterday was that it is not only homicide rates that would go down but also suicide rates.

Bull crap. If someone wants to end it they will do it one way or another.

[Green Mountain]

Because "fat" people are a threat to society our government now decrees that they shall be rounded up and taken away. If they resist shoot them. "We have the guns and the fat do not."

Sorry fat eddy, this is the senario that Thomas Jefferson had in mind when he wrote it into the second amendment--the right to bear arms.

[Edited by benncool on 02-24-2005 at 10:12 PM]

[indian]

Everyone remembers the rules of handling firearms, right! I want to add two more. #1 Guns and Alcohol don't mix. #2 Every bullet ever made comes with a lawyer attached!

[ricm]

Or at the very least, stamp each bullet with the phrase, "not fit for internal consumption" That ought to appease each lawyer attached.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by fat eddy
See they wouuld still be alive if there were no guns, and what I forgot to mention yesterday was that it is not only homicide rates that would go down but also suicide rates. It is not very fun trying to debate against an IQ of 70.

[ricm]

There's been a vast improvement since the gunslingin' age back in the day of 'OK Corral'... now the drive-bys have much cooler cars with lots more getaway horse power.

Yeah, until they finally figure out a solution for all of this... You gotta do what you can to stay safe....

"sh*t... too bad it's gotta be like that... but be that, it does.

[Wild Leg]

Originally posted by fat eddy
See they wouuld still be alive if there were no guns, and what I forgot to mention yesterday was that it is not only homicide rates that would go down but also suicide rates.

The truth is, he probably would have killed her somehow, anyway.
He had already threatened to.
People are not always kind to each other, even if they don't have a gun.

The irony in this is that the murderer was wearing a kevlar vest.
Had he not been wearing that vest, he might have been the ONLY casualty in this sad news item.

I applaud the licensed, trained individual in his effort to save lives by taking one.
He did, in fact, help save the life of the little boy, who is now a wounded orphan.
It is unfortunate that his shot did not carry a little higher, or that he did not have more firepower.
He hit exactly where he aimed, in the torso.
That is the best chance at taking down an armed gunman.
He was following his training.
A head shot is too risky, and harder to effect.

I will attend the funeral of this fallen hero.
I am sure he left loved ones, and will be missed.

[wasp]

I, too, applaude the man who sacrificed his life for a stranger. But in a gunbattle you really don't have time to see if he is wearing body armor due to clothing and distance.

[rob10]

Originally posted by fat eddy
See they wouuld still be alive if there were no guns, and what I forgot to mention yesterday was that it is not only homicide rates that would go down but also suicide rates. For multiple reasons. Almost anything can used or formed into a lethal weapon. Just ask anybody who has spent time in the penitianary.

[Boiling Point]

HHHMMM - arent there other countries that have laws forbiding firearms?? And in those countries are there no acts of violence?? No murders?? No hate crimes?? Damn straight there are!!! SO lets take the guns from citezens and all will be right in the US?? Hardly - can we stop the importation of other illegal substance?? NA - can we stop all the illegal imagrants?? NA - any of those immagrants packing - would imagine so. So lets take away the rite of Johnnie Lawabider to carry a firearm so he has no way to protect his family or belongings other than a baseball bat - until matts law takes those away to :). Lets make it so in the US we start having pipe bombs and suicide bombers that take out the entire court house, school or goverment building.

[chas]

This is a long thread. Click here to review it.

This is a cool thread........... Thanks Dice

[fat eddy]

Boiling Point,

Do you no think the country as a whole would be safer without guns? for every person that has defended himself with a gun there is at least two more people who have died from them, whether by accident or hotblooded use of it, those deaths would not have happened if the gun was not there.

And unfortunately a lot of the accidents are by children getting hold of their parents gun.

[spotts]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Boiling Point,

Do you no think the country as a whole would be safer without guns? for every person that has defended himself with a gun there is at least two more people who have died from them, whether by accident or hotblooded use of it, those deaths would not have happened if the gun was not there.

And unfortunately a lot of the accidents are by children getting hold of their parents gun.


Oh thats just dumb. You've never heard "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" Crime is diverted because of the threat that the homeowner "may have a gun" and as in the case in Colorado...... It is perfectly legal for me to shoot an intruder. Those gun deaths are mostly gang members, crackheads, and rap stars. Let them kill each other. If there wasn't the threat of us owning guns, that element of society would be killing one helluva lot more of us. You wanna see crime go down in this country? Force everyone to own a gun and learn how to use it. Then the criminals wouldn't dare...........

In CO we now have a concealed carry law and the make my day law. Citizens can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon and we can legally shoot intruders. Just guess Eddie, do you think crime has gone up.... or down?

As far as the parents not protecting their childeren from their guns? Well, that goes down all the time and the handguns that will only fire for their imprinted owner. Great solution to home security.

[Diceman]

Well I like my 9mm, but honestly, I doubt any crime is diverted in this country by guns. Seems it is getting worse as time goes on.

[Boiling Point]

Originally posted by fat eddy
Boiling Point,

Do you no think the country as a whole would be safer without guns? for every person that has defended himself with a gun there is at least two more people who have died from them, whether by accident or hotblooded use of it, those deaths would not have happened if the gun was not there.

And unfortunately a lot of the accidents are by children getting hold of their parents gun.

If it was not a gun it would have been a knife, bat, car, poison or bare hands. If someone wants someone dead they will find a tool to get the job done. So if guns are gone what about bow and arrow, cross bows, blow guns, hell bb guns for that matter. When a person has a mission like murder not having a gun is not a problem. Give me a piece of pipe, rubber band, nail and a small piece of wood and it can be a zip gun in a matter of minutes.

As far as accidents with children - the parent should be held accountable with involuntary manslauter. Their loaded gun in their home with no trigger lock or locking cabinet - I hold the parent accountable - stupidity is not a defense when a life is lost because they dont practice gun safety. Or there is a radical idea - teach/educate your kids about guns if you own one - hell - even if you dont. A loaded mind is a great weapon.

Should we outlaw booze again - lots of repeat murderers behind that weapon - or do we outlaw cars because that is the official weapon. Or jumpers - outlaw bridges. Or knives - everyone get there spork because we have no knives. The list is endless - again - motivation to take a life will find a way around weapon laws.

[spotts]

and more drugs. Inforce the drug and gun laws we have and crime will go down. In Switzerland they have no Army so everybody has to have a gun, and ammo, and know how to use it in every home. Their violent crime is virtually non-existant. You wanna see crime running rampant- look at the cities where the guns have been taken away from the honest citizens. New York, Washington DC, and all those other liberal crime infested sinkholes where every criminal still- somehow- has a gun. I know you know the type Dice, thats why you bought your 9. What if all of the people like you had to give up your guns? You really think the people you bought 9mm the to defend yourself from will give up their guns too? You are a prime example of why guns in the hands of honest citizens works. Your just won't admit it. [Your republican is showing.....]

[Edited by spotts on 02-25-2005 at 11:10 AM]

[Boiling Point]

Originally posted by spotts
[QUOTE]

In CO we now have a concealed carry law and the make my day law. Citizens can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon and we can legally shoot intruders. Just guess Eddie, do you think crime has gone up.... or down?



Ill take a stab - down.

Intimidation is a great defense.

[Diceman]

Switzerland is not a very good example of anything......
Anyway, try not to turn this into a repub vs demo thing, it is not. More dem administrattions and members of congress started and finished wars and served in the military, than their repub counterparts. Too many of you guys listen to right wing hate radio and get a daily dose of talking points that only further divides our country.

[spotts]

Are they safer cities to live in with their existing gun laws?
If you lived there..... wouldn't YOU want a gun?



[Edited by spotts on 02-25-2005 at 12:39 PM]

[Boiling Point]

Gun deaths in Canada have been declining or staying atable despite registration as a percent capita and are extremely low by US standards. Murders as a whole have declined in the past six years and then shown a small upswing. These trends are minor however compared to other preventable deaths like motor vehicle deaths, suicide, smoking related mortality and industrial accidents. Firearm deaths form 31% of the total homicides. The trends show that the increase is due to other than firearm deaths and these deaths include infanticide and manslaughter. Therefore, the law is unnecessary and redundant and a wrongful misallocation of resources. With regard to homicides, a much higher proportion of deaths were due to beatings and strangulation and other causes of death, suggesting where the focus should have been, that is on bolstering family stability and harmony and abuse prevention. See my archive and homicide_trends.html <http://www.geocities.com/jormabio/archive/homicide_trends.html> The people need to keep the ultimate power in a democracy, not surrender it to government. Government represents us the people, it does not rule the people. Crooks wont register. Smugglers don't register. Registered guns can still kill. Too many people find out where and who has guns and how they use or abuse this information will be unable to be controlled through the huge manpower associated with the registry. The system is full of holes and omissions and human error. Killing and suicide results from social injustice and victimization, joblessness and poverty, failed single parent families, hopeless and empty lives, and these are not dealt with and in fact moneys used to register guns and owners is taken from social assistance and justice programs and bolstering the family and given to bureaucrats and RCMP, a billion or more dollars in fact misdirecterd. The history of Canadian law is that it becomes increasingly more draconian with every new government and this registry is the gateway to changing the nature of our democracy from freedom of the people to autocratic authoritarianism under the guise of public protection. This may lead to a Police state and Fascism. A gun registry was the first step taken by the Nazi's in Hitler's Germany. Anti-terrorism laws added to the firearms registry will increase the probability that this happens. Now is the time to rise speak up to prevent Fascism and repeal this Law before its too late. The billion dollars doesn’t take into account that the courts and jails will be clogged with those who due to clerical errors or petty beaurocratic disagreements are in violation of the numerous petty laws associated with this bill. My ex-wife, whom I have to get permission from under the new laws, to purchase a firearm, is dead. The law is ridiculous and therefore unjust and therefore an unlawful use of legislative power. Every time a gun owner leaves the house without his firearms, those people who are left behind who do not have permits to be in possession, become criminals because they are then illegally in possession of firearms. It creates frivolous criminals and is therefore an unfair and unjust law. The money could have been much better spent on front line police efforts to stamp out terrorism, smuggling, catch murderers at large, and to bolster our military. One Province's entire policing costs less than a billion dollars. We could have hired that many more police or better still, spent the money on housing and food for the homeless. The money could have been given to hunters to be part time military thereby turning a controversy into a resource for everyone's peace and security and also fixing our military shortage. The 55,000 regular army soldiers we have would be killed in the first twelve hours of battle if war broke out. This would leave only the hunters to carry on the continuing struggle, if they can find all their keys and the enemy doesn't get control of the registry. If someone wants to kill large numbers of people, they will find a way, gun registry or no gun registry. Look at Bali or 9/11. Canada kills large numbers of its unemployed by robbing people of their dignity and health with low social assistance payments resulting in mortality amongst the poor. D by deliberately creating high unemployment for the sake of reducing inflation and deficit reduction and to give business a competitive edge. Right wing policies kill more than firearms in Canada yet we do nothing about them. A weapon is anything that is used in a dangerous way to harm and potentially dangerous things are not restricted to firearms. Therefore, a baseball bat, a rolling pin, a rock, a slingshot, a bow, a crossbow, a hammer, pillows, blankets, gasoline, an axe, a machete, a kitchen knife, bleach, pesticide, prescription drugs, rope, explosives, alkaline batteries in a fire, a propane bottle, acetylene bottles, natural gas, pets, bacteria, viruses, mushrooms, a ball point pen, a knitting needle, scissors, electricity, a car or truck or bus, an airplane and lastly box cutters have all been used to kill people and therefore should be registered along with firearms, if we are to use this technique to stamp out murder. The killing fields in Cambodia are full of people who were murdered with axe handles yet we do not register axe handles. The genocide in Rawanda on Tutsis was mostly carried out with machetes. We did not ban machetes. The crackdown in Tianamin square was ended with fatal blows from iron rods, yet iron rods are not required to be registered. Our focus on the device instead of the reason for the 'intent' is clearly misplaced and irrelevant. A technical fix to a social problem won't work and is a misplaced waste ot time and money. Canada was one of the first nations to use biological weapons to commit genocide when our leaders knowingly gave smallpox infected blankets to native peoples. Governments can and often do make mistakes which may even reach the level there it is required that they be overthrown. How do you do this without guns if they sieze the military. It is a check and balance on the powers of government. If governments cared about people's lives, they would have banned cigarettes which kill countless more people than bullets. Illegal gun running has just turned into big business as it was predicted because of the prohibitions of this bill and will increasingly divert police attention away from terrorists and real responsibilities. This law originated from media hype over a single incident where the culprit could have achieved his aims with numerous other replacement devices, and this incident was misused for political grandstanding by Alan Rock and the Liberal Party to get the feminist and anti hunting vote rather than to create a law based upon rational examination of trends and facts. Therefore it was bad from the start. This law was created by the media jsut as they are now trying to ban back-country skiing with hype over a clustered mortality year. How can we trust a law put forward by an MP, Alan Rock, who lies to government by witholding the cost over-runs on firearm registration and whose government has been exposed to have numerous conflict of interest violations. A gun is first and foremost a tool for gathering food and secondly for protection of the home and family and thirdly for defending a nation or a fundamental principle like freedom and that is where the priority belongs. Wildlife need hunting and hunters. Deer and moose have coevolved with human harvest pressure and will damage their habitat and decimate their own population by disease and starvation if not hunted. It has been estimated that North American natives took 5,000,000 deer per year prior to contact. It is a tradition dating back millions of eyars to hunt and this should not be impeded for wrongful purposes. Hunters pay huge costs for their life style already and contribute enormously to the economy and to wildlife management and habitat protection and they don't need punitive government taxation which this law will lead to. Gun owners will eventually end up having to pay for this huge expense by yearly taxes and many will have to forfeit their guns because of the costs. The registry has been broken into so the whole thing has been compromised and the most dangerous thing we can do is register because we have no idea who did it or to what use they will put it. So many of our politicians are corrupt and the likes of them cannot be trusted with our arms let alone with our military.


Copied from here http://www.geocities.com/jormabio/archive/firearm_registry.html

[Wild Leg]

Easy on the Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V.
I had to go get my reading glasses & highlighter.
Now I can't get it off my screen. :D


[quote] from Boiling Point ...With regard to homicides, a much higher proportion of deaths were due to beatings and strangulation and other causes of death, suggesting where the focus should have been, that is on bolstering family stability and harmony and abuse prevention...

Even in Canada...



[Edited by bwal2 on 02-25-2005 at 11:35 AM]

[spotts]

Originally posted by bwal2
Easy on the Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V.
I had to go get my reading glasses & highlighter.
Now I can't get it off my screen. :D




That was more than I'm reading.

[Diceman]

That was like one of Dow's posts.......:D

[Wild Leg]

Windex worked on the highlighter.

The maid came by with some...

(I just wanted to start a new page.)

[mattm]

I play a mean game of checkers.

[Wild Leg]

Originally posted by mattm
I play a mean game of checkers.

We AIN'T got much to do, do we?

[thermister]

Originally posted by Diceman
Well I like my 9mm, but honestly, I doubt any crime is diverted in this country by guns. Seems it is getting worse as time goes on.

I dunno dice here is a story my brother told me about in OKC.
------------------------------------------------
911 Call Reveals Woman's Struggle With Purse Thief
Woman Held Suspect At Gunpoint Until Police Arrived

POSTED: 1:52 pm CST February 17, 2005
UPDATED: 5:22 pm CST February 17, 2005

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Oklahoma City police released a 911 recording Thursday that reveals a dramatic struggle following an attempted purse-snatching in south Oklahoma City.


911 Call: 911 Tape: Woman Fights Back Against Purse Thief

Barbara Gesell, 83, had just pulled into her garage when a man ran inside her garage and grabbed her purse, which has hanging across her shoulder. A suspect, Robert Campbell, was arrested shortly afterward on suspicion of attempted robbery.

Police said the story might have ended differently if Gesell's daughter, Theresa Gesell, had not taken action.

According to police, Theresa Gesell ran behind Campbell and tried to catch him when he ran from the scene. While she was chasing the suspect, she called 911.

"A man has attacked us in our house, and we are fighting him in the yard," Theresa Gesell said to the 911 dispatcher.

As the struggle moved down the street, a neighbor -- whom Theresa Gesell identified as "Hershall" -- stopped to help. Theresa then grabbed her .45-caliber pistol and continued running after Campbell -- despite the dispatcher's plea for her to drop the handgun.

"I am going to go get my .45 ... you all are too slow," she said.

As the call continues, the dispatcher asks Theresa to get rid of the weapon. However, after the suspect tried to escape along a creek bed, Theresa and Hershall used the pistol to make sure he didn't leave.




"You can go put that gun up now," the dispatcher said.

"No sir," Theresa replied. "We have the gun pointed at him ... he must have been a city fellow because he didn't know anything about the woods."

Seconds later, police arrived and arrested Campbell. With Hershall's help, the Gesells retrieved Barbara's purse.

Campbell is currently housed in the Oklahoma County Jail. He is expected to be charged with assault and attempted robbery.
__________________________________________________ ______

Them Okla. gals, I got one for a wife. Who needs a burgler alarm. Just wait to be woke up by the gun blasts and see what it is by the tracers light.:~)