What's Your Plan "B"

[jayhawker]

Plan "B" is what you plan to do if it all goes really bad. I don't mean a little bad I mean all the way bad. World wide depression, unemployment at levels never seen in the USA, the goverment taking away close to all our civil rights to try and "protect us" and basic services suspended due to lack of funds.
I Know a place on the White river in Arkansas that I think I would head for. Its far enough away from civilization that I you could could stay away from all the complications that the highly populated areas would suffer. Clean water would be a problem but food could be grown or caught

[chas]

You better go for plan C . That place on White river is already taken . Locked up and guarded and if you don't know the secrete hand shake ya ain't gett'n in. ;) I got friends.

[homersodyssey]

Lottery.

[acmanko]

I'm in Plan B now, saving money, cleaning my guns, counting how much ammo is on hand and looking at the heard across the street.

[coolwhip]

I will implement my plans to take over the world! (sinister laughter in background)

I will see my enemies driven before me and hear the lamentation of the woman.
You fools have ruled this planet as a stumbling demented child king long enough!

Its time for Coolwhip to take the helm!

WERD!

[forged alloy]

I will implement my plans to take over the world! (sinister laughter in background)

I will see my enemies driven before me and hear the lamentation of the woman.
You fools have ruled this planet as a stumbling demented child king long enough!

Its time for Coolwhip to take the helm!

WERD!

Coolwhip AKA Conan the Barbarian returns!

[forged alloy]

On a serious note, my view at present is that what we are going through is world-wide, though all we hear most about is America.

We are better equipped financially to handle a prolonged downturn then some European, Middle-Eastern and Asian markets.

We are also a more stable society, and we are somewhat isolated by distance and water. We also own the sea and the air.

I foresee serious trouble erupting elsewhere in the not to distant future. Nothing like a good world war to pull us out of a depression, and possibly refocus our current Marxist style leadership. Just as easy to build tanks as it is cars.

[coolwhip]

Coolwhip AKA Conan the Barbarian returns!

:D

[homersodyssey]

The problem with the ol' "war can get us out of a depression" idea is the opponent:

Russia. Too man ICBMs. Mutual destruction in a few hours.

China. We'd have to borrow money from them first and then give them POs as most of our manufacturers moved there.

Iran. The U.S. and Britain are currently next door anyway. Obama campaigned on leaving Iraq though, so doubtful.

That doesn't leave many traditional enemies left. And before ya'll start looking north, just forget about it. You could invade Canada anytime you want and it would be over well before any economic gains occur. Heck, jmac could find a few buddies get case of Bud, drive the truck to Toronto and stake a claim. It might look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6p_6wvByFg

[HVAC2B]

The problem with the ol' "war can get us out of a depression" idea is the opponent:

Russia. Too man ICBMs. Mutual destruction in a few hours.

China. We'd have to borrow money from them first and then give them POs as most of our manufacturers moved there.

Iran. The U.S. and Britain are currently next door anyway. Obama campaigned on leaving Iraq though, so doubtful.

That doesn't leave many traditional enemies left. And before ya'll start looking north, just forget about it. You could invade Canada anytime you want and it would be over well before any economic gains occur. Heck, jmac could find a few buddies get case of Bud, drive the truck to Toronto and stake a claim. It might look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6p_6wvByFg
hehehe..........a case of beer wouldn't last me and 1 of my padnuhs halfway to Arkansas

[RoBoTeq]

I'm developing a taste for human flesh so as to be able to eliminate competition for survival while also increasing my survival rate.

Meat is meat and humanary stew will do.

[viceman]

I'm developing a taste for human flesh so as to be able to eliminate competition for survival while also increasing my survival rate.

Meat is meat and humanary stew will do.


the scary thing is i believe you:D

[jrbenny]

Ugly Bastard From Pennsylvania Stew...



Goes well with a nice amber ale.


:D

[shaygetz]

The current administration doesn't have the salt or the stomach to lead us into anything more than a rousing round of "Kum by Yah", the recent diplomatic gaffes will cost us dearly as well.

My Plan B involves a bowl of popcorn and a cold drink, it's gonna be a great show...

Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

[Richard Kletty]

Plan B

1) You must live 50 miles from the nearest interstate. Check
2) Prep the land to farm it. (check)
3) Purchase some livestock (not quite check)
4) Stockpile enough ammo to fight off the roaming gangs who want to steal the food and other supplies because they didnt prepare (almost check)
5) Purchase and maintain the 4 needed weapons for hunting and fighting off said gangs.(check a few times over)
6) Purchase 1 years supply of food for 5 people (not quite check)

Im sure there is more. Im working on it all as I can.

[flyrfan]

Plan B

1) You must live 50 miles from the nearest interstate. Check
2) Prep the land to farm it. (check)
3) Purchase some livestock (not quite check)
4) Stockpile enough ammo to fight off the roaming gangs who want to steal the food and other supplies because they didnt prepare (almost check)
5) Purchase and maintain the 4 needed weapons for hunting and fighting off said gangs.(check a few times over)
6) Purchase 1 years supply of food for 5 people (not quite check)

Im sure there is more. Im working on it all as I can.

Damn...I am up sheetz creek w/o a boat!:eek:

[Gib's Son]

"Shotgun rifle and a 4 wheel drive and a country boy can survive"

As an Idahoan I think I will stay away from Ruby Ridge. That's been scoped out pretty well by the Feds. (Pun intended)

[busterdouglas]

Plan B

1) You must live 50 miles from the nearest interstate. Check
2) Prep the land to farm it. (check)
3) Purchase some livestock (not quite check)
4) Stockpile enough ammo to fight off the roaming gangs who want to steal the food and other supplies because they didnt prepare (almost check)
5) Purchase and maintain the 4 needed weapons for hunting and fighting off said gangs.(check a few times over)
6) Purchase 1 years supply of food for 5 people (not quite check)

Im sure there is more. Im working on it all as I can.

lol.... please let us know when you finish your list. :)

[Richard Kletty]

lol.... please let us know when you finish your list. :)

I am actually very close. We should be loading in some livestock very soon as we complete the fencing.

We'll be planting a few acres this year and plan on doing more in the future.

Ive got enough ammo and weapons now but I like em so I always buy more. Wal Mart just got in 4 cases of 555 round Remington .22LR's today.

I left yas a few cases.

Every week I have the wife pick up some extra food supplys. The Mormons (I am not one) have an excellent online calculator to tell you what you need to stock. This is where I am the furthest off. I gotta tighten up.

I dont think you can ever be fully prepared.

[texas cooler]

1) 7 - Brangus cows and 1 - Angus bull
2) Large mean dogs
3) Guns and ammo, ammo, ammo
4) County Road with long driveway, far from the marauding masses who depend upon the gubmit for their food and necessities
5) Easy access to water and water purifier
6) Solar and wind power with backup battery power for life's little pleasures such as refrigeration for the occasional cold beer
7) Small mean wife who knows how to shoot

[RoBoTeq]

Ugly Bastard From Pennsylvania Stew...



Goes well with a nice amber ale.


:D
I have a fridge full of this stuff. Even brought some to the convention in Vermont;

http://www.lancasterbrewing.com/images/A4Ginfo.jpg

[jrbenny]

I'll drink a pale ale. Don't usually buy it. Prefer an amber ale, but if you're buying...

:D

[fogshat]

this IS plan "B"

If it isn't a go, then, similiar to 'texas cooler' although i don't yet have a windmill ...

1)Several cases of old grandad
2)3 Large mean dogs
3)Guns&Ammo,Ammo,Ammo

with #2,#3 everything else comes cheap in a lawless land, so i guess i'm prepared

[RoBoTeq]

I'll drink a pale ale. Don't usually buy it. Prefer an amber ale, but if you're buying...

:D
For the amber ale, you will need to come to Lancaster County. This one is only served on tap at the brewery in Lancaster, PA;

http://www.lancasterbrewing.com/images/Celtic-Rose-Logo.gif

Our version of the traditional Irish Amber Ale. This beer combines the richness of German and Austrian malts with the delicate and spicy British hops for a taste worthy of the Red Rose City
ABV: 5.0% • IBU:16

[Richard Kletty]

I have a fridge full of this stuff. Even brought some to the convention in Vermont;

http://www.lancasterbrewing.com/images/A4Ginfo.jpg

WOW. I want some of that! Robo, you got a link to a website or something? Id like to see about ordering.

[RoBoTeq]

WOW. I want some of that! Robo, you got a link to a website or something? Id like to see about ordering.
Here's a link to their site; http://www.lbcharrisburg.com/OurBeer.html
It doesn't look like they sell beer for shipping, only merchandise.

[homersodyssey]

If you're a serious fan of ales, then here's my favourite brewer:

http://www.wellingtonbrewery.ca/our_beers.php

Be warned though...

What does American beer and making love in a canoe have in common?
(they are both F#@%ing close to water)

[Richard Kletty]

What does American beer and making love in a canoe have in common?
(they are both F#@%ing close to water)

Very true which is why the only American beer I drink is Yuengling. I will drink a micro brew too but Im generally a fan of Becks, Heineken, Bass Ale, etc.....

I was interested in picking up some kits to brew your own that I could bring into this Plan B thing.

Im sure there is a place that sells it. Ichecked the place I used to buy from in Orlando and wow the prices are a bit higher than they were. Its cheaper now to just buy it at the store LOL

Good site Homer. I do love the Ales more than a Lager.

[RoBoTeq]

If you're a serious fan of ales, then here's my favourite brewer:

http://www.wellingtonbrewery.ca/our_beers.php

Be warned though...

What does American beer and making love in a canoe have in common?
(they are both F#@%ing close to water)
Maybe I'm just too Americanized, but I don't like strong beers. I'm not even really that much of a beer drinker, but I did become quite fond of Red Stripe while I was in Cayman.

[Richard Kletty]

I didnt add the 3 large dogs to the Plan B list since I thought that was a given LOL

[Tool-Slinger]

On a serious note, my view at present is that what we are going through is world-wide, though all we hear most about is America.

We are better equipped financially to handle a prolonged downturn then some European, Middle-Eastern and Asian markets.

We are also a more stable society, and we are somewhat isolated by distance and water. We also own the sea and the air.

I foresee serious trouble erupting elsewhere in the not to distant future. Nothing like a good world war to pull us out of a depression, and possibly refocus our current Marxist style leadership. Just as easy to build tanks as it is cars.
Agreed, in that poopy will hit the fan elsewhere loooong before it hits here. Heck, it may help us, it might lead to war for which we can ramp-up manufacturing and jobs for supply.

[Richard Kletty]

Ugly Bastard From Pennsylvania Stew...



Goes well with a nice amber ale.


:D

LOL, Indeed!

[RoBoTeq]

LOL, Indeed!
Do you read your emails?

[crackertech]

I am actually very close. We should be loading in some livestock very soon as we complete the fencing.

We'll be planting a few acres this year and plan on doing more in the future.

Ive got enough ammo and weapons now but I like em so I always buy more. Wal Mart just got in 4 cases of 555 round Remington .22LR's today.

I left yas a few cases.

Every week I have the wife pick up some extra food supplys. The Mormons (I am not one) have an excellent online calculator to tell you what you need to stock. This is where I am the furthest off. I gotta tighten up.

I dont think you can ever be fully prepared.

Do you have a link you could share with us.

[Richard Kletty]

Do you read your emails?

Yes, I sent one back to you with the addy... Ill PM ya with it here.

[Richard Kletty]

Do you have a link you could share with us.

http://lds.about.com/library/bl/faq/blcalculator.htm

Check through some of ther other stuff too. They have some good stuff on there. Ive now had to bump it to 6 people and its gonna cost but Im getting ready to close in a portion of the barn which will be tight in order to store the stuff.

I made a spreadsheet with the amount recommended and then the amount on hand. Of course as I update it it does the math for me.

I do the same thing with ammo.

[acmanko]

nobody mentioned fishing rod and lures, so I'll include them in my plan B

[RoBoTeq]

Yes, I sent one back to you with the addy... Ill PM ya with it here.
Ya gotta be careful with my email address. It ends in .info instead of .com

Doesn't matter though, I got your PM.

[RoBoTeq]

nobody mentioned fishing rod and lures, so I'll include them in my plan B
After the Iranians toss a bunch of nukes around the globe, you may not want to eat whatever remains alive in the waters.

[lolson]

Plan "B" I Know a place on the White river in Arkansas that I think I would head for. Its far enough away from civilization that I you could could stay away from all the complications that the highly populated areas would suffer. Clean water would be a problem but food could be grown or caught

Just go to Robo's and then a couple of hours latter the rest of us can show up for some Amazon stew.

[lolson]

I
Every week I have the wife pick up some extra food supplys. The Mormons (I am not one) have an excellent online calculator to tell you what you need to stock. This is where I am the furthest off. I gotta tighten up.

I dont think you can ever be fully prepared.

Im not Mormon ether but in these times Im glad to be where I am.
so far Im close to having a years supply of food

[Tool-Slinger]

After the Iranians toss a bunch of nukes around the globe, you may not want to eat whatever remains alive in the waters.
I'll take my chances with the fish, Robo, over whatever might be in your 'rainbow stew' :D:D:D

[Richard Kletty]

Im not Mormon ether but in these times Im glad to be where I am.
so far Im close to having a years supply of food

Excellent! Today the wife and I went out to drive around and ended up at WalMart (of course)

We bought a few 45 gallon containers with lids and we will transfer what weve got so far into them. We picked up another 20lbs of rice and then a bunch of dried beans.

You really just need to drop an extra $20-$30 each week and it adds up fast.

As I said, Im stocking for 6 people for a year. There are only 3 of us here so if no other family needs the help we'll have two years worth.

Im buying chickens this week and building the coup (I hope-lol)

[HVAC2B]

Excellent! Today the wife and I went out to drive around and ended up at WalMart (of course)

We bought a few 45 gallon containers with lids and we will transfer what weve got so far into them. We picked up another 20lbs of rice and then a bunch of dried beans.

You really just need to drop an extra $20-$30 each week and it adds up fast.

As I said, Im stocking for 6 people for a year. There are only 3 of us here so if no other family needs the help we'll have two years worth.

Im buying chickens this week and building the coup (I hope-lol)

Right there with you Kletty,got 30 cornish cross,stocking the freezer with tame rabbits,just bought a tractor to plow about 20 rows,waiting on the pasture to turn green,I am getting 5 calves.Crawfish season is upon us,so I will set some aside.Plus all the fish,rabbits,squirrel,and deer in my freezer now.
Got guns and ammo-Damn right this coonass will make it through the tough times.Oh yeah,a sharp buck knife,and my fishing poles:D

[Richard Kletty]

Right there with you Kletty,got 30 cornish cross,stocking the freezer with tame rabbits,just bought a tractor to plow about 20 rows,waiting on the pasture to turn green,I am getting 5 calves.Crawfish season is upon us,so I will set some aside.Plus all the fish,rabbits,squirrel,and deer in my freezer now.
Got guns and ammo-Damn right this coonass will make it through the tough times.Oh yeah,a sharp buck knife,and my fishing poles:D

Good deal! Yes, Im actually gonna raise the rabbits I think. Its easy enough to do. But yeah squirrels and such are good.

Im planning on Goats, Cows, Pigs and Chickens though to start. Ive got approx. 2 acres to plant and my brother in law needs to get over here this week with the tractor to get the ground ready.

[Tool-Slinger]

Good deal! Yes, Im actuakky gonna raise the rabbits I think. Its easy enough to do. But yeah squirrels and such are good.

Im planning on Goats, Cows, Pigs and Chickens though to start. Ive got approx. 2 acres to plant and my brother in law needs to get over here this week with the tractor to get the ground ready.
Dear Jesus, are we really gone this far? What are the odds you will need a year supply of food? More than 100 rounds of our choice ammo? A garden? Hen-house? This thread is 'over the top',. LOL, it is an economic crisis, not a revolution or an active invasion. If there is a real problem of the invasion type, then able-bodied men will be sent to the front lines, no time for gardening. Screw your ammo stock-pile, all the ammo you need will be supplied for free. Leave your AR-15 at home, you will get an M-16. Revolution? May happen at the polling both, but no fat-bottomed american will ever instigate violence. Wusses. I repeat, wusses.

Stock-pile some ammo and food, good move... You got weeks, not months worth of need.

not picking on you Richard, just the topic.

[papa_jo]

After the Iranians toss a bunch of nukes around the globe, you may not want to eat whatever remains alive in the waters.

yea , but wouldn't it be cool to see what the chit does to the fish!!!:eek:

[HVAC2B]

Good deal! Yes, Im actuakky gonna raise the rabbits I think. Its easy enough to do. But yeah squirrels and such are good.

Im planning on Goats, Cows, Pigs and Chickens though to start. Ive got approx. 2 acres to plant and my brother in law needs to get over here this week with the tractor to get the ground ready.

yeah,I am gonna plant the day after good friday,but we got alot of rain this weekend.A good idea is to put the goats on runners,on your fence line in your pasture.They will keep the grass down.I've got plenty of meat birds,but I am gonna get some RI reds for eggs,and if nothing happens.......well I am still living off of the land,like when I was a kid.:)

[HVAC LLC]

Richard, look to the Mormons for stockpiling and preserving food. I did the preservation on different foods and wheat for Y2K, I opened up a 5 gallon of beans I had preserved with a special foil bag, a vacuum and packages of desiccant. They were as fresh as the day I packed them.

[RoBoTeq]

The revolution has already begun. There has been a takeover of the government already. Unless our military gets together with some decent American leadership the revolution is going to come down to the people within a year, year and a half maximum. We simply cannot keep doing the things that President Obama is doing and stay solvent.

[Richard Kletty]

Richard, look to the Mormons for stockpiling and preserving food. I did the preservation on different foods and wheat for Y2K, I opened up a 5 gallon of beans I had preserved with a special foil bag, a vacuum and packages of desiccant. They were as fresh as the day I packed them.

Read higher up in the thread. I am using the LDS calculator to determine the needs. I am modifying it a bit but its pretty good.

[Richard Kletty]

Dear Jesus, are we really gone this far? What are the odds you will need a year supply of food? More than 100 rounds of our choice ammo? A garden? Hen-house? This thread is 'over the top',. LOL, it is an economic crisis, not a revolution or an active invasion. If there is a real problem of the invasion type, then able-bodied men will be sent to the front lines, no time for gardening. Screw your ammo stock-pile, all the ammo you need will be supplied for free. Leave your AR-15 at home, you will get an M-16. Revolution? May happen at the polling both, but no fat-bottomed american will ever instigate violence. Wusses. I repeat, wusses.

Stock-pile some ammo and food, good move... You got weeks, not months worth of need.

not picking on you Richard, just the topic.


You can pick on me, its OK. Alot of people I know think Im crazy. I truly hope I am. However, I am gonna be prepared. I personally believe the Revolution has already begun. See Robo's post above this one.

If I am crazy and nothing happens, Ive lost nothing but I wont have to buy food for awhile LOL

Nothing wrong with stocking away some food for a rainy day. Maybe nothing politically motivated happens, but maybe there is a natural disaster? A hurricane? Tornadoes... Ill have food. Yes, those are short term deals, I know.

But I do believe that something is happening. The Government is out of control and now, the people are cognizant of this if they werent before.

I think it will get worse before it gets better.

Finally, when I moved here and bought all this land it was so I could farm it. My plan was actually to have only goats and make cheese and soap. I have enough to do alot of stuff and I think I will enjoy it.

[Richard Kletty]

yeah,I am gonna plant the day after good friday,but we got alot of rain this weekend.A good idea is to put the goats on runners,on your fence line in your pasture.They will keep the grass down.I've got plenty of meat birds,but I am gonna get some RI reds for eggs,and if nothing happens.......well I am still living off of the land,like when I was a kid.:)

Good idea on the runners for the goats cept I dont have enough grass for them since the horses eat it down LOL

Runners in the other parts of the property will be good because they eat anything and will clear the land for me heheheh

Ive got to get the rest of the barn closed in and build the coop for the birds this week or next. Yes, RI Reds or the eggs. Just like when I was a kid.

[BigJon3475]

If you and I have the courage to tell our elected officials that we want our national policy based upon what we know in our hearts is morally right. We cannot buy our security, our freedom from the threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion now in slavery behind the Iron Curtain, "Give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skin, we are willing to make a deal with your slave masters." Alexander Hamilton said, "A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one." Let's set the record straight. There is no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace--and you can have it in the next second--surrender.
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You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.
http://www.reaganlibrary.com/reagan/speeches/rendezvous.asp

[chas]

"Deja Vu All Over Again" I remember the same discussions when Mr & Mrs Clinton were president

[Tool-Slinger]

You can pick on me, its OK. Alot of people I know think Im crazy. I truly hope I am. However, I am gonna be prepared. I personally believe the Revolution has already begun. See Robo's post above this one.

If I am crazy and nothing happens, Ive lost nothing but I wont have to buy food for awhile LOL

Nothing wrong with stocking away some food for a rainy day. Maybe nothing politically motivated happens, but maybe there is a natural disaster? A hurricane? Tornadoes... Ill have food. Yes, those are short term deals, I know.

But I do believe that something is happening. The Government is out of control and now, the people are cognizant of this if they werent before.

I think it will get worse before it gets better.

Finally, when I moved here and bought all this land it was so I could farm it. My plan was actually to have only goats and make cheese and soap. I have enough to do alot of stuff and I think I will enjoy it.
I am with you buddy, 11 acres of swampy forrest where I can begin a liquor operation. :D

[BigJon3475]

You understand what the implication of China being worried about it's investment is?

They own 25% of our debt before these wonderful bailout and are pretty much the leading investor in the new ones. Well they rightfully should be worried since this is going to be like Zimbabwe soon with inflation. Massive inflation changes the whole deal in a monetary policy. A lowered valued dollar means we can pay that debt of at a cheaper price. However they aren't going want to fund but so much. Catch 22 would be downplaying the situation. Couple that with central America being funded by Chavez and has basically turned back all Reagan was able to achieve along with a dire need for higher oil prices. We got issues on our borders. Civil unrest around the world. The "solution" being provided is a world wide new deal. What does that entail? A huge system of if you want to live sign on the dotted line. It's very well known many religions are utterly against usury. And our devilish deal requires they just bow down before us and sign on the dotted line. Couple that with a relentlessness drive to obtain nuclear power in Iran and Israel's understanding opposition to that with all the desire for their extinction coming from that states president. Canada still stand by us. Our other allies IMO have been compromised. No doom or gloom though. Human freedom under god will prevail but retreat isn't the answer. Nuclear proliferation is the means to end times for some of these wackos and they are right. With only a minor launch at many different countries and a retaliation of mutual destruction the end results would be nuclear winter with no caves or retreats safe.

"There is no choice between peace and war and there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace...."

[BigJon3475]

Even worse.... betting trillions upon trillions is a bet we will always grow in a usury system. Well what did we just get a big dose of reality in that can't always go up?

[RoBoTeq]

"Deja Vu All Over Again" I remember the same discussions when Mr & Mrs Clinton were president
Even when I felt it might be my destiny to do away with President Carter if he were re-elected I did not feel as bad about our government as I do today.

[BigJon3475]

Even when I felt it might be my destiny to do away with President Carter if he were re-elected I did not feel as bad about our government as I do today.

I'm enthralled with enthusiasm.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/059B35Y1uZaaM/610x.jpg

[RoBoTeq]

I'm enthralled with enthusiasm.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/059B35Y1uZaaM/610x.jpg


Is that the remote controller for President Obama?

[BigJon3475]

Even worse.... betting trillions upon trillions is a bet we will always grow in a usury system. Well what did we just get a big dose of reality in that can't always go up?

What does a usury system mean?

It means we continue on a path where our debt increase greater than our income. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0015.gifhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0015.gif

Well what if we could pay off our debt?

We would be dead broke. Zero obligations, zero wealth, all the gold in "storage" just became the owners of America. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0015.gif

Religions tried to explain to us how bad usury was..... we didn't listen. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0015.gif


" If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.

[BigJon3475]

http://www.sice.oas.org/TPD/USA_CAFTA/USA_CAFTA_e.ASP

[BigJon3475]

When action is required to preserve our national security, we will act. We will maintain sufficient strength to prevail if need be, knowing that if we do so we have the best chance of never having to use that strength. Above all, we must realize that no arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.

http://www.reaganlibrary.com/reagan/speeches/first.asp

[acmanko]

well, I might have to reconsider. after seeing all the wuss replies to this thread, I believe I'll revert back to my commanchero roots and just take what I need from the whimpering masses.

[coolwhip]

Now that I know all yalls plans, I can sneak in under the radar and steal yo sheit.
Cuz thats the way we roll in Detroit!:p

[acmanko]

Now that I know all yalls plans, I can sneak in under the radar and steal yo sheit.
Cuz thats the way we roll in Detroit!:p

Yea, they already show fear. Now all that's left is to exploit it.:cool:

[Richard Kletty]

You understand what the implication of China being worried about it's investment is?

They own 25% of our debt before these wonderful bailout and are pretty much the leading investor in the new ones. Well they rightfully should be worried since this is going to be like Zimbabwe soon with inflation. Massive inflation changes the whole deal in a monetary policy. A lowered valued dollar means we can pay that debt of at a cheaper price. However they aren't going want to fund but so much. Catch 22 would be downplaying the situation. Couple that with central America being funded by Chavez and has basically turned back all Reagan was able to achieve along with a dire need for higher oil prices. We got issues on our borders. Civil unrest around the world. The "solution" being provided is a world wide new deal. What does that entail? A huge system of if you want to live sign on the dotted line. It's very well known many religions are utterly against usury. And our devilish deal requires they just bow down before us and sign on the dotted line. Couple that with a relentlessness drive to obtain nuclear power in Iran and Israel's understanding opposition to that with all the desire for their extinction coming from that states president. Canada still stand by us. Our other allies IMO have been compromised. No doom or gloom though. Human freedom under god will prevail but retreat isn't the answer. Nuclear proliferation is the means to end times for some of these wackos and they are right. With only a minor launch at many different countries and a retaliation of mutual destruction the end results would be nuclear winter with no caves or retreats safe.

"There is no choice between peace and war and there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace...."

Excellent post!

[Richard Kletty]

Now that I know all yalls plans, I can sneak in under the radar and steal yo sheit.
Cuz thats the way we roll in Detroit!:p

Come and get it... I dare ya. Bring the Man Cow too and make sure he is on your front line LOL

[acmanko]

Come and get it... I dare ya. Bring the Man Cow too and make sure he is on your front line LOL

well, you do make an easy target. All through the evolutionary process therehave been prey and predators.Even a cuspid,adorned with a fearsome looking rack of horns is easily brought down by a pack of wolves.
But fear not ,I would do you no harm, I would need you healthy so I could eat next week:rolleyes:

[Richard Kletty]

well, you do make an easy target. All through the evolutionary process therehave been prey and predators.Even a cuspid,adorned with a fearsome looking rack of horns is easily brought down by a pack of wolves.
But fear not ,I would do you no harm, I would need you healthy so I could eat next week:rolleyes:

You're pretty good at the tough talk. Its OK though. We see right through it.

[acmanko]

You're pretty good at the tough talk. Its OK though. We see right through it.

we, who is we?

[Tool-Slinger]

You understand what the implication of China being worried about it's investment is?

They own 25% of our debt before these wonderful bailout and are pretty much the leading investor in the new ones. Well they rightfully should be worried since this is going to be like Zimbabwe soon with inflation. Massive inflation changes the whole deal in a monetary policy. A lowered valued dollar means we can pay that debt of at a cheaper price. However they aren't going want to fund but so much. Catch 22 would be downplaying the situation. Couple that with central America being funded by Chavez and has basically turned back all Reagan was able to achieve along with a dire need for higher oil prices. We got issues on our borders. Civil unrest around the world. The "solution" being provided is a world wide new deal. What does that entail? A huge system of if you want to live sign on the dotted line. It's very well known many religions are utterly against usury. And our devilish deal requires they just bow down before us and sign on the dotted line. Couple that with a relentlessness drive to obtain nuclear power in Iran and Israel's understanding opposition to that with all the desire for their extinction coming from that states president. Canada still stand by us. Our other allies IMO have been compromised. No doom or gloom though. Human freedom under god will prevail but retreat isn't the answer. Nuclear proliferation is the means to end times for some of these wackos and they are right. With only a minor launch at many different countries and a retaliation of mutual destruction the end results would be nuclear winter with no caves or retreats safe.

"There is no choice between peace and war and there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace...."
Nice post indeed, I am not disputing the facts therein as current problems you are pointing out, just the dire results you seem to be willing to assume. Zimbabway? That is exactly what I mean,.. way over the top.

I know the chicoms are worried, and they should be too. We owe them money and now we have a weenie at the helm trying to wreck the economy and max-out any credit we have 'as a nation'. Compounded problem for them, since we are a big customer for their junk at wally-world too. Look, obama may crash the dollar, he seems to be trying to do that,... but it is not the end of the world if he does. As you alluded to, makes the debt easier to pay 'in value' if the dollar is sunk. Obama can just turn on the printers 24/7. :D The dollar has crashed before and we did not turn into migrant hunter-gatherers killing each other off over food. Severe adjustments in store? Perhaps, but more likely just a problematic economy not much different than life during the carter administration. Bad, but not causing the need for a 1 year food supply and a million rounds of ammo.

Latin america can lie in the bed they make, tough for them. We buy oil from them and other stuff, but they need a customer as bad as we need a supplier. We sink, they suffer probably worse. They are feeding on us, we are the host, and their parasitic economies depend upon us. Whether hugo chavez pulls the strings or not, someone keeps pumping the juice out of the ground. chavez-land is not even able to properly feed themselves, our oil need is propping them up.

Our border problem: About 1 in 20 persons in the USA is here illegally and it is harmful, but our economy has went through good times and bad times despite these numbers. A problem indeed and makes everything worse here but not apocolyptic.

Iran: Probably will get into a war with isreal, shut-down the straight of hormitz after which numerous other nations will want to get involved and cause a big global economic crisis, but only temporary. On topic, stocking up on a personal fuel supply is probably some really good advice. Iran is begging for destruction, they are on-course to get it.

Let me be clear, I do not like obama, pelosi, reid, and company. I do not approve of their socialism, bail-outs, and wild-a55 spending habits. And I am not optomistic about our nations future right now. But I do not see the need for hoarding food and ammunition and some cash and whatever else. As Richard said, you need to think about natural disasters and stuff too aside from sheer economic collapse and in that spirit we all need a "PLAN B" so we can endure the calamity when it comes. It will in one form or another. But I am not interested in hoarding much more than I can carry out, because if it gets really bad for really long I am going to find another location. Animals and gardening is smart thinking economically, but it was too at any time in history you want to visit. These are largely lifestyle choices too, but should not be considered a 'plan' of any sort associated with our current world problems.

The doom and gloom is probably unfounded. There are lots of problems in the world, but these things usually have a way of working out without the disaster scenarios coming into play.

As for the 'revolution', I know you did not mention that BigJon, but I see no coming revolution that will involve shooting to any great extent. USA generally has revolts taking place at the polling booth. We do need one of those. :D

[BigJon3475]

I was more referring to high tensions which are everywhere now. Of course things can change. However my faith is limited. I can point out how Washington just played musical chairs and the people that lost their chairs got to take them to the p[awn shop for millions.

El Salvador fell if you could just red x that one for me....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7944899.stm
(the new pres worked for CNN:confused:)

[BigJon3475]

That, for the cabal, would have been bad enough; but as 1932 became 1933, Morgan's spies learned that Roosevelt might be considering more radical measures, ones that could take control of America's most precious commodity--its sovereign credit-- away from Wall Street and the London-based financial oligarchy who controlled the Morgan interests. American credit, and therefore government economic policy, had been held under the thumb of the private financial markets and their banking houses, like Morgan. Should a President Roosevelt seize control of the nation's credit, and deploy it for a recovery program based not upon continued bankers' looting, but on economic development, and should he rally the American people to that program, the power of the London-based financial oligarchs might be broken.The Morgan-British Fascist Coup Against FDR (http://american_almanac.tripod.com/smedley.htm)

The average life span of an American is 78 years. If in 1932 you were born and you were 78 years old it would be 2010 the plotting would have begun in 2009. Historical Beginnings ... The Federal Reserve (http://www.bos.frb.org/about/pubs/begin.pdf)

I don't agree that FDR New Deal did good for the economy. I'm also aware it was used for quite a bit of political gain and hardly any bringing up of the poor people or needy that the rhetoric implied it was for.

[Tool-Slinger]

I was more referring to high tensions which are everywhere now. Of course things can change. However my faith is limited. I can point out how Washington just played musical chairs and the people that lost their chairs got to take them to the p[awn shop for millions.

El Salvador fell if you could just red x that one for me....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7944899.stm
(the new pres worked for CNN:confused:)
LOFL BigJon,.. check this link too:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-el-salvador-president-promises-no-confiscations-1646488.html

Commie-quotes for the day:

"I want to thank all the people who voted for me and chose that path of hope and change."

Sound familiar?

supporters waving red flags and chanting "Yes, he could!"

Sound familiar?

latin america is falling like dominoes for socialism, understood. So are we it seems , it looks so bad, but 'euro-trash bad' , not 'zimbabawe bad' from my eye.

[Richard Kletty]

we, who is we?

We as in the folks who you think are "easy" targets. We as in the ones who you think will be taken down by wolves (Im assuming you think you're a wolf).

Go take some more pills and come back when you actually have something to say and can make some sense.

Man you're fun!

[BigJon3475]

http://www.ofheo.gov/media/pdf/FNMSPECIALEXAM.PDF

Table V-3: Bonuses Paid to Fannie Mae Senior Executives, by Year, 1998-2003

Franklin Raines $1,109,589 $1,890,000 $2,480,625 $3,125,625 $3,300,000 $4,180,365 $16,086,204
Daniel Mudd n/a n/a $735,130 $1,083,109 $911,250 $1,288,189 $4,017,678
Timothy Howard $493,750 $518,500 $544,425 $694,983 $781,250 $1,176,145 $4,209,053
Thomas Donilon n/a n/a n/a $562,751 $600,000 $727,070 $1,889,821
Robert Levin $493,750 $518,500 $544,425 $686,028 $575,000 $801,237 $3,618,940
Jamie Gorelick $779,625 $818,675 $859,609 $1,083,109 $911,250 n/a $4,452,268
James Johnson $1,932,000 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a $1,932,000
Lawrence Small $1,108,259 $1,163,672 n/a n/a n/a n/a $2,271,931

Well some of those names don't sound familiar. Let's see who they are...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Johnson_(businessman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Johnson_%28businessman))

Small Linked To Scandal at Fannie Mae - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052402825.html)

Not sure of his political leaning but it appears it more to the right. EDIT: He was for George Bush presidency.

Jamie Gorelick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick)


About Fannie Mae: Executives > Robert Levin (http://www.fanniemae.com/aboutfm/executives/levin.jhtml?p=About+Fannie+Mae&s=Executives)
Not sure of his leaning either. He was in during both the Clinton and Bush admin.

Thomas E. Donilon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Donilon)

Howard's End - CFO Magazine - February 2005 Issue - CFO.com (http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/3598464/c_3619616?f=insidecfo)
Not sure of his political leaning either.

Leanne G. Spencer has donated to republicans in the past including RUDY GIULIANI (http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/committees/rudy-giuliani-presidential-committee-inc.asp?cycle=08)
Leanne Spencer - $750 in Political Contributions for 2008 (http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/leanne-spencer.asp?cycle=08)

The other two were already covered...

[acmanko]

We as in the folks who you think are "easy" targets. We as in the ones who you think will be taken down by wolves (Im assuming you think you're a wolf).

Go take some more pills and come back when you actually have something to say and can make some sense.

Man you're fun!

see, already you display herd mentality. easy pickings:D

[Richard Kletty]

see, already you display herd mentality. easy pickings:D

I think you should only post after you have slept it off.

Robo called the wrong person.

I shall not visit you on this derailment again. I have more important things to do that argue with sheep.

[BigJon3475]

LOFL BigJon,.. check this link too:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-el-salvador-president-promises-no-confiscations-1646488.html

Commie-quotes for the day:

"I want to thank all the people who voted for me and chose that path of hope and change."

Sound familiar?

supporters waving red flags and chanting "Yes, he could!"

Sound familiar?

latin america is falling like dominoes for socialism, understood. So are we it seems , it looks so bad, but 'euro-trash bad' , not 'zimbabawe bad' from my eye.


http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

http://www.bos.frb.org/commdev/commaff/closingt.pdf

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12042008/business/ponzi_scheme_at_citi_142511.htm

I'm sorry it's lots to read. It's the only way. I could explain the intricate web of deceit by republicans and democrats.

[BigJon3475]

How Citigroup Unraveled Under Geithner’s Watch (http://www.propublica.org/article/how-citigroup-unraveled-under-geithners-watch)

where is Geithner now?

[BigJon3475]

Don't forget:
http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=171242

5/19/2008 and had been doing it a while....

;)

[Tool-Slinger]

How Citigroup Unraveled Under Geithner’s Watch (http://www.propublica.org/article/how-citigroup-unraveled-under-geithners-watch)

where is Geithner now?
Thanks BigJon for the replies. I am going to have to read-up those links, you are obviously talking over my head with the macro-economic details. I'll try to catch-up and get back on this. I got alot of reading to do. :D

[BigJon3475]

Not over anyones heads that is interested. I myself haven't a clue as to the whole scheme. Just what I can find. It's in fact quite a bit more intricate than originally thought and I understand even the most complicated of what Reagan's plans were. It's hard to explain but basically all people have done for the past 3 terms of the White House is left for personal interest for the private sector looking at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as giant blood filled host, and they were the leechs.

It's disgusting, Raines head of OMB, Rubin head of the Treasury, Geithner a prodigy of Rubin, Frank relationship with founding members of FM and FM. Dodds secret elite loan agreements, Obama, Dodd and Kerry being paid well for their support....on...on...and on....

If people knew on a wide scale they would only be forced to revolt. It's so well hidden and the ties so broad it's all but uttered in the news. Did I mention GE owns MSNBC? NBC universal?

The prevailing thought is keep them busy with separation, then we can conquer and continue to conquer. Please god don't let them find out the truth.

[BigJon3475]

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/hoover/1.html
http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=396968


Ohh it's nasty and so intertwined it wouldn't matter what candidate you vote for.

I wish I was articulate enough to explain. Basically everyone in power now of the most crucial decisions are all compromised. The only one that isn't is Obama... If naive were good at this point Obama would be a saint. He's a little pawn in a political game that he is only beginning to understand.

[BigJon3475]

This makes it easier for me to explain how dire the situation is...


70 trillion in digital and liquid circulation.

The downfall of 2008 equates to a 45% loss. While things were not wonderful with the boom. Imagine losing half the wealth and still needing to support an ever growing population.

Now to get prophetic:
Wars frequency has increased with evolution and knowledge. :confused: that's not how it's suppose to go down.
What does that mean?
As we get smarter we become more contempt. *ugh*

Nuclear proliferation is no joke and it is in fact the means to end times. No other source has such power and no other creature would strive for such a power....


"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."-Lord Acton

[BigJon3475]

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Reagan lays out your plan. If I could interject my biggest request for everyone is to tell your loved ones you love them and take a notice in the lords teachings durings such crisis. They refer back beyond partisanship and to a point where we all help. If not see the signature...

[BigJon3475]

I told you it was silly. And yes I do have too much time on my hands....

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I have more? Deaf ears?

[HVAC2B]

Yea, they already show fear. Now all that's left is to exploit it.:cool:

I'm your huckleberry


nutin to fear,but fear itself


:D

[shaygetz]

For those of you hoarding ammo...

http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html

[HVAC2B]

Let me be clear, I do not like obama, pelosi, reid, and company. I do not approve of their socialism, bail-outs, and wild-a55 spending habits. And I am not optomistic about our nations future right now. But I do not see the need for hoarding food and ammunition and some cash and whatever else. As Richard said, you need to think about natural disasters and stuff too aside from sheer economic collapse and in that spirit we all need a "PLAN B" so we can endure the calamity when it comes. It will in one form or another. But I am not interested in hoarding much more than I can carry out, because if it gets really bad for really long I am going to find another location. Animals and gardening is smart thinking economically, but it was too at any time in history you want to visit. These are largely lifestyle choices too, but should not be considered a 'plan' of any sort associated with our current world problems.

I agree,this is a lifestyle change........a hobby,if you will.
I always had livestock,and guns,and with the economy draggin ass........ raising crops makes alot of sense

[BigJon3475]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_6_57/ai_n16372474
http://www.kysq.org/docs/JenneyAnalysis.pdf

[BigJon3475]

Let us not take the counsel of our fears. Let us instead offer the world a politics of hope, a forward strategy for freedom. The words of William Faulkner, at a Nobel Prize ceremony more than three decades ago, are an eloquent answer to those who predict nuclear doomsday or the eventual triumph of the superstate: “Man will not merely endure,” Faulkner said, “he will prevail. . .” because he will return to the old verities and truths of the heart. He is immortal because, alone among creatures, “he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance.”



Those old verities, those truths of the heart — human freedom under God — are on the march everywhere in the world.



All across the world today — in the shipyards of Gdansk, the hills of Nicaragua, the rice paddies of Kampuchea, the mountains of Afghanistan — the cry again is liberty. And the cause is the same as that spoken of in this Chamber more than two decades ago by a young American President: “A future of peace and freedom.”

Slipping...
http://www.gov.ie/oireachtas/Addresses/04June1984.htm

[HVAC2B]

For those of you hoarding ammo...

http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html

this is what the problem is...... back door gun grabbin,by stopping the brass

[BigJon3475]

and keep in mind that this lack of budget and program authority never kept great DCIs like Allen Dulles, John McCone and William Casey from doing the job brilliantly
For example, when the intelligence 'professionals' in Washington and London told Donovan that infiltrating spies into the Third Reich was impossible, Donovan gave the job to a young New York tax attorney named William J. Casey. By the time Hitler was dead in his Berlin bunker, Casey had organized and run 103 missions behind Nazi lines.
President Reagan understood that our intelligence service was in trouble, so he named as DCI his campaign manager, Bill Casey — who as Wild Bill Donovan's OSS prot�g� had organized those 103 'impossible' missions behind Nazi lines. Just like his mentor, Bill Casey didn't tell the President he needed ten years to get our intelligence service back into action — which would have gotten the CIA up and running halfway through George H.W. Bush's presidency. Instead, Casey did something that to this day almost no one in Washington understands. He created an OSS within the CIA. In other words, very quietly he reached out to Wall Street, the business community, to Silicon Valley, to the academic world, and to our country's leading technical and scientific establishments and recruited a team of analysts and 'doers' who could figure things out fast and make things happen. And, with his talent for spotting talent, Casey plucked from the CIA's bureaucracy those analysts and operations officers who were just waiting for the chance to show what they were capable of doing.:o If only today....


http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/05/a_talent_for_intelligence.html


Major General (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_general_%28United_States%29) William Joseph Donovan, USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army), KBE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire), (January 1, 1883 – February 8, 1959) was an American soldier, lawyer and intelligence officer, best remembered as wartime head of the Office of Strategic Services (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services) (OSS). He is also widely known as the "father" of today's Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) (CIA).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Joseph_Donovan

[BigJon3475]

"In recent years the world has grown used to hearing speeches from Washington full of malice toward everything progressive. However, CIA Director W. Casey, speaking at a ‘World Council of Industrialists' the other day in San Antonio, Texas, evidently decided to outdo other Washington figures. The United States is threatened by unspeakable danger, Casey stated, voice atremble. ‘The Marxist-Leninists have unleashed the four horses [sic] of the apocalypse -- famine, plague, war, and death.' Are you not scared, reader? Even the director of the main U.S. espionage department is beside himself with fear."
One can forgive the officially, militantly atheistic Soviets for describing the four "horsemen" as the four "horses." After all, the only Bibles they saw were the ones they kept shut as they confiscated and destroyed them, sacrificing them right alongside the priests, nuns, and millions of believers in the gulag. But they did know famine, plague, war, and death -- and the apocalypse. And it was four men: Reagan, Casey, Clark, and Cap, who deliver the communist apocalypse at the Kremlin door.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/where_have_you_gone_bill_casey.html


And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.



Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

[fogshat]

... And yes I do have too much time on my hands....



sure seems that way

[BigJon3475]

sure seems that way

I can't really debate opinion.

[BigJon3475]

If I may, I want to give you one thought from my heart. Coming here and being with you and looking into your faces, I have to believe that the history of this troubled century will indeed be redeemed in the eyes of God and man, and that freedom will truly come to all, for what injustice can withstand your strength, and what can conquer your prayers?Moscow Summit: Preaching to the Unconverted; Excerpts From Reagan Talks to Dissidents and at Monastery democracy. (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEFDF173FF932A05756C0A96E9482 60&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)

[bb]

Agreed, in that poopy will hit the fan elsewhere loooong before it hits here. Heck, it may help us, it might lead to war for which we can ramp-up manufacturing and jobs for supply.

Well there is an Ammo plant just to the east of you !

[lolson]

Some believe in gun control

[lolson]

Plan B

1) You must live 50 miles from the nearest interstate. Check
2) Prep the land to farm it. (check)
3) Purchase some livestock (not quite check)
4) Stockpile enough ammo to fight off the roaming gangs who want to steal the food and other supplies because they didnt prepare (almost check)
5) Purchase and maintain the 4 needed weapons for hunting and fighting off said gangs.(check a few times over)
6) Purchase 1 years supply of food for 5 people (not quite check)

Im sure there is more. Im working on it all as I can.

Check this BS out.
Campaign For Liberty — HR 875 The food police, criminalizing organic farming and the backyard gardener, and violation of the 10th amendment