recovery machines

[caosesvida]

I am switching over from commercial to residential. I was doing mostly 22 and now I need a machine that will do 410. what do you guys recommend? I don't plan on doing a large volume of business, sort of slowing down as I get older. Will probably be units under 10 pounds so large volume is not needed. Light weight would probably be a plus, and cost is a consideration. Looks like most are about $600 to $700. Thanks for any help on this. kevin

[fcs]

I have the promax 5410EX I happy with does 410a fine.

Appion twin V is lite weight and fast and loud. not sure how it dose with 410a.

[beachtech]

reftec diablo :)

yes, they're all up there in price :(

[ascj]

I love my small G5 twin........http://www.johnstonesupply.com/203/tabid/1783/default.aspx?product_group=1001 It's 2 pounds lighter then my tool bag.

[Profiler]

I highly recommend the appion G5 twin. It weighs about 23lbs and is nice and small. It recovers super fast and is rated for 410a. You can get a used one on ebay for about $300 or get a new one from a supply house for about $650. They are easily repaired in the field aswell.

[tostaos]

check other threads on this board, still no change, appion G5 beats all others. They do have now a smaller model appion G1. I bet for residential it will be enough. http://www.appioninc.com/products/g1features.html

[beachtech]

appion doesn't beat the diablo lol

runnin with the devil

lol

seriously. i done side by side comparison :)

the diablo spanks appion to death!!

[Profiler]

appion ftw. :cool:

[dodge]

I brought a prominimax what do you guy think of this machine

[tostaos]

reftec diablo :)

yes, they're all up there in price :(
Have never seen a diablo and was not aware of it
http://www.centurytool.net/Diablo_High_Speed_Refrigerant_Recovery_Unit_p/diablo.htm
looks good, there is a comparison between the competition on this web page.

[ohiobuckeyefan]

i just bought the appion g5 twin. i havent used it yet but it is very small and light. i bought it from a guy on craigslist for $500 cash. still in the box brand new. probably stolen, i know. too good a deal to pass up.

[hvacrmedic]

i just bought the appion g5 twin. i havent used it yet but it is very small and light. i bought it from a guy on craigslist for $500 cash. still in the box brand new. probably stolen, i know. too good a deal to pass up.

I like mine. It's noisy, but it moves a lot of refrigerant fast. Tech support said not to try to throttle the flow. It's designed to run full tilt. I'm not used to that, but I've recovered a few system with it so far, and it hasn't tripped the reset yet.

[papa_jo]

the G5 twin by appion can't go wrong on size weight

[zw17]

Can anyone tell me where the G5 is made?

I know the Reftec Diablo is made in the USA.

They are very comparable to one another, the choice may come down to where it was made. I am not supporting China anymore than I have to.

[hvacrmedic]

Can anyone tell me where the G5 is made?

I know the Reftec Diablo is made in the USA.

They are very comparable to one another, the choice may come down to where it was made. I am not supporting China anymore than I have to.

Parts from Taiwan, USA, EU. Assembled in Denver, CO.

[beachtech]

yadda yadda yadda

the diablo smokes the appion in real life side by side comparison :)

[hvacrmedic]

yadda yadda yadda

the diablo smokes the appion in real life side by side comparison :)

I'd never heard of the Diablo until reading this thread. OTOH, I'd never heard of the Appion G5 twin until reading a previous thread. Whether it's the best or not doesn't matter, it's what I have and it does a fine job. :)

[beachtech]

the appion does a great job sompared to older and lesser recovcery machines :) it beats the crap out the high dollar Y/J recovery machines :)

the diablo is fairly new, and if someone is in the market today i would recommend it over anything else right now :)

[Profiler]

the diablo looks weird lol :)

[papa_jo]

the diablo looks weird lol :)

you should talk LOL






just joking

[fcs]

you should talk LOL






just joking

About the diablo or Profiler:D:p

[Richard Kletty]

Hmmm Im not buying anything that has the Devil on it LOL

My vote is for the Appion. I have one... it rocks in a non-demonic kinda way.

[Profiler]

reftec diablo...model# 666. made in detroit....:eek:

[papa_jo]

About the diablo or Profiler:D:p

BOTH !!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[magicrat]

Does anyone know if the Diablo is completely field serviceable like the appion.

[kiwireeferman]

Does anyone know if the Diablo is completely field serviceable like the appion.

http://www.centurytool.net/Diablo_High_Speed_Refrigerant_Recovery_Unit_p/diablo.htm

Go here and check out spare parts list.
Exploded views and prices.
Seems pretty simple, but parts are a little pricey.

[beachtech]

don't care what the thing looks like. don't care if it is the devil.

the dayum thing is awesome at removing refrige quickly!!! very quickly!!!

and that's all i need and or want it to do :)

price very comparible to appion and lessers

[Sharp Snips]

I have a Bacharach Stinger and it works great...nothing fancy and easy to use. Best of all it was free, the shop bought it.

[beachtech]

the stinger will do the job. but when it comes to speed...

[Sharp Snips]

the stinger will do the job. but when it comes to speed...

I hear ya:D The nice thing about it though is if I have help I can get things ready to set the outdoor while recovering...if I don't have help, I can start tearing out the indoor...oh and it was FREE.:p

[beachtech]

I hear ya:D The nice thing about it though is if I have help I can get things ready to set the outdoor while recovering...if I don't have help, I can start tearing out the indoor...oh and it was FREE.:p

in that case, on split systems, if the comp is still working a pump down before recover speeds things up double time ;) ;)

i knew a girl once who called that place nasty natty lmao

and boy she was :eek: :eek: :eek:

[acguytx]

i second the stinger ,in fact i have had mine since 2002 and its still going strong..however this thread brings up a good point,i may need a new one not only for speed but to recover 410a .ill check my machines ratings but to this point ive been lucky enough to not have had a 410a that needed full recovery,only a pumpdowns..

[Community Hvac]

Hello i just purchased a used Nrp ulvi Recovery machine Problem is The cyclended full lights on Dont know much on repairing these but thought maybe there was a reset or any ideas on a fix Any help would be very gratful

Community Hvac
Chuck
Ps Hope i posted in the correct area

[beachtech]

Hello i just purchased a used Nrp ulvi Recovery machine Problem is The cyclended full lights on Dont know much on repairing these but thought maybe there was a reset or any ideas on a fix Any help would be very gratful

Community Hvac
Chuck
Ps Hope i posted in the correct area

correct area, but starting you own thread will give you better results.

[funkysolo]

I just bought a Promax RG5410EX at johnstone supply. The counter guys said alot contractors buy alot of promax RG5410A, so that's why I went with the Promax EX. He didn't say anything bad about the other recovery machines, he just said that promax sell alot more and been around for a while. I didn't find any negative post and I got a good price.

[acguytx]

so is that 410a only^^^ or any type can be recovered?

[funkysolo]

Promax can recover every type of refrigerant even 410a. It also does subcool for your recovery tank so you don't need to put it on ice

[fcs]

I just bought a Promax RG5410EX at johnstone supply. The counter guys said alot contractors buy alot of promax RG5410A, so that's why I went with the Promax EX. He didn't say anything bad about the other recovery machines, he just said that promax sell alot more and been around for a while. I didn't find any negative post and I got a good price.

I have the same unit it heavy but I been very happy with it. over the last 2 or 3 years. has good speed.

[74apollo]

I have the Appion G5 and it has never let me down works very fast pulls liquid wide open and works great on 410a as well. Highly recomended.

[beachtech]

I have the Appion G5 and it has never let me down works very fast pulls liquid wide open and works great on 410a as well. Highly recomended.

howdy neighbor

[74apollo]

I would like to get an rses chapter going in wilmington anyone interested

[beachtech]

I would like to get an rses chapter going in wilmington anyone interested

i would love that!!! i am all in! would save me the time and money, as i drive to conway ;)

[74apollo]

I have held off joining RSES only because there is not a local chapter, how far is conway from wilmington and is the chapter very active?

[beachtech]

I have held off joining RSES only because there is not a local chapter, how far is conway from wilmington and is the chapter very active?

it take me about 45mns to drive there. they don't meet in the summer cause is so busy. but during the fall and winter they have great meetings, guest speakers, and a pretty large group. i think may was the last meeting till the fall.

there are many other reasons to join RSES other than chapter meetings :)

i been thinking about getting a chapter started here too, there used to be one a long time ago. cape fear would be a great place to have meetings too.

[74apollo]

as soon as I get the funds I will join, and would like to get a local chapter, very interested in futhering my trouble shooting skills, I am really good but could always improve.

[beachtech]

as soon as I get the funds I will join, and would like to get a local chapter, very interested in futhering my trouble shooting skills, I am really good but could always improve.

my email is in my profile. we could chat when ever you like, have a couple beers or something :)

[BaldLoonie]

I have the Appion G5 and it has never let me down works very fast pulls liquid wide open and works great on 410a as well. Highly recomended.

They are fast but both of ours, which don't do install duty, have been repaired. 1.5 year old was $225, 1 year old caught warranty by 1 day. Both had internal refrigerant leaks, on one the fan was running about 1/3 speed. The Promax units may be slower but hold up so much better.

[tarheel_tech]

it take me about 45mns to drive there. they don't meet in the summer cause is so busy. but during the fall and winter they have great meetings, guest speakers, and a pretty large group. i think may was the last meeting till the fall.

there are many other reasons to join RSES other than chapter meetings :)

i been thinking about getting a chapter started here too, there used to be one a long time ago. cape fear would be a great place to have meetings too.

You can always come up to the Tarheel chapter I especially like the name of it.:D 74apollo,beach has been up here and he gives his seal of approval.We got to make some changes in the chain of command starting very soon,Beach, you will be the first to know bro.;)

[74apollo]

where is the tarheel chapter located with regard to wilmington nc

[tarheel_tech]

Greenville NC we just reactivated the chapter almost a year ago and growing slowly but surely

[beachtech]

where is the tarheel chapter located with regard to wilmington nc

is a long drive from here :eek: last time i drove straight there from here was about and hour and 35... not too bad :) but that was the company truck :eek: :D

[beachtech]

You can always come up to the Tarheel chapter I especially like the name of it.:D 74apollo,beach has been up here and he gives his seal of approval.We got to make some changes in the chain of command starting very soon,Beach, you will be the first to know bro.;)

and when i move up there i will be vice prez :D:D:D

[jlu]

At the company I work for has 2 G5's and a few promax's g5's are faster, but one has been sent for repairs twice

[tarheel_tech]

I blew up my G5:o:(it is sent off for repairs along with another one that died a few months ago.But we use ours at least 2-5 times a day for 3 years now.Every other recovery units we have had have had problems,but the G5s have had less than all the rest.I know mine has recovered some really burnt up mess.:eek:I have clogged up a many of drier on the inlet side of it.

[jjou812]

lots of townhouses here in PA. neighbors complain about noise. i didn't buy an appion because of comments on this forum about noisy operation. all of the companies i've worked for provided promax. great unit. however, the 5410a i bought 11 months ago started leaking profusely from the recover/purge valve stem. spx corp is sending me a new unit.

btw- made in china :(

[MNTINMAN]

so nobody seems to like the yellow jackets? i was planning on buying one of the 95700's, but i might have to change my mind

[georgelass]

I'm thinking we have four conclusions so far,
#1 The Promax is slower, quiet, made in China, and is fairly, but not totally reliable.
#2 There is some group of folks talking about some Elks Club or something, totally off-thread and confusing. :)
#3 There is the Appion G5 Twin, noisy, fast, and unreliable.
#4 The Diablo is made in somewhere other than China or Hell. :) Do we have any reports on its reliability? (Because the unreliable reports have me turning
away from the G5.)
I hope my summary helps and not in any way offends anybody.

[mario_m]

I have two G5 Twins that I use in my shop all day.

I have owned them for over a year now and they probably average out at running for at least 20 minutes per day (365 days).

I have not had a single problem. They are great machines.

[tostaos]

#3 There is the Appion G5 Twin, noisy, fast, and unreliable. The G5 unreliable is news to me, had never any problems with mine and this is the first time I hear chatter of unreliability.

[fcs]

I'm thinking we have four conclusions so far,
#1 The Promax is slower, quiet, made in China, and is fairly, but not totally reliable.
#2 There is some group of folks talking about some Elks Club or something, totally off-thread and confusing. :)
#3 There is the Appion G5 Twin, noisy, fast, and unreliable.
#4 The Diablo is made in somewhere other than China or Hell. :) Do we have any reports on its reliability? (Because the unreliable reports have me turning
away from the G5.)
I hope my summary helps and not in any way offends anybody.


Not sure I agree with you my friend

[jim bergmann]

The G5 Twin is hands down the best recovery machine manufactured. It is the only one that pumps straight liquid. The G5 had a plastic gear to run the cooling fan which is now metal in all the new models. Gear box failures are a thing of the past. The only thing that will kill an appion is too short of an extension cord.

[georgelass]

Not sure I agree with you my friend

That's fine, even good. I was just loosely summarizing what I was
getting from this thread, so I really want people to tell me
why I'm wrong. I was mostly hoping for lurkers to chime in with
additional, supportive or contrary, information.

I am really in the market for my first recovery machine and I don't
want to make an expensive mistake. I think having something
break down on me would be very bad. I would likely have to
buy another unit quickly while the other one got fixed. Yes,
a backup for everything is probably a good idea, but I'm rather
green. If the G5 breakdowns seem like a tiny percentage, then
I would get back in that camp. Our school only had Promax's but
that was likely due to the tie-in to Johnstone Supply. Of course,
price is also a consideration....

[jim bergmann]

Contact Bill Spohn at trutech tools via the 888 number toll free. He will give you a student discount on whatever you need. I have contacted him already on your behalf. He has the Appion also.

Don't skimp on your instruments, you make your decisions based on their accuracy.

[georgelass]

Contact Bill Spohn at trutech tools via the 888 number toll free. He will give you a student discount on whatever you need. I have contacted him already on your behalf. He has the Appion also.

Don't skimp on your instruments, you make your decisions based on their accuracy.

Wow, thanks. I have to get out of town within the hour, but
I will call him Monday for sure. I'm really liking this HVAC world. :)

[aintitfun]

I have the G5 Twin and I cannot keep the stupid reset from tripping, approx. every 5 min on 410, what are you guys doing different?

[GeorgeG]

After reading most of the recovery eq. threads, the G5 is the hands down favorite. The 2 others that get good support from multiple users (as well as recommendations from the supply houses) are the Bacharach Stinger and the Promax 5410. There are some very good deals on the older versions of the 5410 (A) and Stinger (2000-3300) vs their upgraded counterparts (5410EX and Stinger 2006-3800). Would I be making a mistake with either of these units if I went with the olders models?

What's the downside to the Stinger given that it does not have a condenser?

Sorry beachtech

Thanks,

George

[soaker]

Check out all the different brands of recovery machines on HVACPRODUCTRATINGS.com. Each brand has a a couple of choices on where to buy them. If there aren't too many reviews there yet it is because the site is new. You can request reviews on products there and hopefully we can get some guys to write them there for you. Give it a try.

[itsiceman]

What's the downside to the Stinger given that it does not have a condenser?


People think the G5 is noisy :rolleyes: Customers would complain about my Old Stinger being too loud :eek:

[itsiceman]

The G5 Twin is hands down the best recovery machine manufactured. It is the only one that pumps straight liquid. The G5 had a plastic gear to run the cooling fan which is now metal in all the new models. Gear box failures are a thing of the past. The only thing that will kill an appion is too short of an extension cord.you meant too long of an extension cord ;) It already comes with a cord that's too short :p

I hear the G5 can take full blast liquid from a 3/8" hose :eek:

I can't kill mine either but I only give it wide open liquid from a 1/4" hose :o

[bob hubbard]

Ive had my little oz for 20 yrs and swithed it over to do 410 cost me 50 bucks for a pressure switch . :D

[2story]

george,
the tech school I tech at has stingers, and they are replacing them with G-5s, I have a promax and it is fine.

[nratom45-70]

I got a G-5 2 months ago and love it.

[dracorp2]

After watching this video, I know which recov. pump I'll be buying next.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPQDH0bFnMM

[Glenn Harrison]

I just checked out the Diablo on the reftec.com website, and the ARI specs are much lower than the specs shown at http://www.centurytool.net/Diablo_High_Speed_Refrigerant_Recovery_Unit_p/diablo.htm

If you look they also no longer compare the Diablo to the Appion G5.

Check out the brochure @

http://www.reftec.com/images/brochure_diablo.pdf

[beachtech]

Sorry beachtech

Thanks,

George

sorry for what? is your loss not mine :D

[beachtech]

I have the G5 Twin and I cannot keep the stupid reset from tripping, approx. every 5 min on 410, what are you guys doing different?

cooling the recovery tank lol :cheers:

[itsiceman]

I just checked out the Diablo on the reftec.com website, and the ARI specs are much lower than the specs shown at http://www.centurytool.net/Diablo_High_Speed_Refrigerant_Recovery_Unit_p/diablo.htm

If you look they also no longer compare the Diablo to the Appion G5.

Check out the brochure @

http://www.reftec.com/images/brochure_diablo.pdf

So By the ARI Numbers
Appion G5 Twin Vs. Diablo
R-410A Vapor @76 F
.66 lbs/min Vs .23 lbs/min
R-22 Vapor @ 76 F
.62 lbs/min Vs. .37 lbs/min

R-410A liquid
3.48 lbs/min Vs. 4.98 lbs/min
R-22 liquid
6.22 lbs/min Vs. 4.08 lbs/min

Appion G5 Twin 24 lbs .......... Diablo 34 lbs
9.4in x 13.75in. x 10.3in........ 16-in x 10-in x 13-in

If that video was with R-22 like it said the Appion clearly has an advantage by the ARI numbers
so somebody goofed on the testing or somebody cheated on that video :toetap:

[dennyf]

What do you guys think of the YJ XLT 95760? Hard to believe no one even mentions it. Is it that bad?

[tostaos]

YJ is not mentioned due to the fact that the Appion is so popular and most don't buy that many recovery units. Why would you go and buy a unit from YJ (who is not a manufacturer) that has lately a track record of selling less than top quality products (sample:digital gauges) when you can buy a great unit from Appion, that is available at many places?

[fcs]

YJ is not mentioned due to the fact that the Appion is so popular and most don't buy that many recovery units. Why would you go and buy a unit from YJ (who is not a manufacturer) that has lately a track record of selling less than top quality products (sample:digital gauges) when you can buy a great unit from Appion, that is available at many places?
Very Good point

[dennyf]

I always thought that YJ was top of the line stuff and wasn't aware of their declining quality. The YJ XLT was only slightly higher in cost than the G5. Have all the products manufactured by YJ gone downhill or only the digital gauges?

[tostaos]

YJ does not make digital gauges, they first re badged the digicool the best digital gauges, but I don't think they sold enough of them. (Most techs don't spend that kind of money) Now they sell some cheap copies of them and some solar powered once. You can make a search on this forum and you will find other products with dubious quality record. High price doesn't mean high quality. You start to change from high quality to a medium quality product how can I trust they don't do the same with others? I have a YJ Ratchet Hand Bender made by Rems from Germany. Do they still sell now one of this quality level or do they changed it to a cheap knock off made in China? You tell me? I don't take the chance, I just buy from the source the best.

[ChillerWisperer]

The G5 is a good machine, but two improvements I would like to see on it are better gauges and 3/8" ports.

[tostaos]

why would you need better gauges?

[ChillerWisperer]

why would you need better gauges?

The gauges on the G5 look like the cheap ones you would find on a 10 dollar fire extinguisher. If they are going to make a quality machine, I'd like to see industry standard refrigeration gauges on it. True, you don't really need them when hooking it up through a manifold, but I'd still like to see better gauges there or nothing at all.

[tostaos]

gold plated would be nice too! lol

[fcs]

YJ does not make digital gauges, they first re badged the digicool the best digital gauges, but I don't think they sold enough of them. (Most techs don't spend that kind of money) Now they sell some cheap copies of them and some solar powered once. You can make a search on this forum and you will find other products with dubious quality record. High price doesn't mean high quality. You start to change from high quality to a medium quality product how can I trust they don't do the same with others? I have a YJ Ratchet Hand Bender made by Rems from Germany. Do they still sell now one of this quality level or do they changed it to a cheap knock off made in China? You tell me? I don't take the chance, I just buy from the source the best.

I use to YJ they seem to have gone with all there stuff Low end. Hose, ball valves recovery, vac pumps and Micron gauges it a shame the use to be good. Then I've been give the Run around by YJ on warranty issue. YJ is just not worth the Trouble. Maybe it new magament.

[ChillerWisperer]

gold plated would be nice too! lol

Hey, if you're satisfied with what it comes with, that's great.

If I'm spending 600+ bucks on something, I have the right to voice an opinion about it that the manufacturer should take into consideration.

Maybe it's just a character flaw of mine that I try and hold myself and others to a higher standard than status quo whether it be work ethic, manufacturing practice, or level of training.

[tostaos]

Hey, if you're satisfied with what it comes with, that's great.
To me this gauges are not important and adding better once will make the unit even more expensive.

[jtrouse]

To me this gauges are not important and adding better once will make the unit even more expensive.

If these built-in gauges are not much good or not very useful, remove them. They will just be traps for contaminates. jt

[tostaos]

They are useful, they just don't need to be precision instruments of top quality.

[acguytx]

so whats wrong with the stingers? i have had the old yellow one since 2002 and its worked great, no issues, however its loud and kinda of slow and is not rated for 410a so ill need a new one. I see stinger has anew one rated for 410 and a lot more , however i kinda of breezed thorught someof these posts and see there are issues with some units needing the tank cooled or the reset limit popping all the time.I want to know which units need all this just to revover refigerant as thats IMO is ahuge time water and a hassle. I want a nice unit that is reliable and works great out of the box withoiut a lot oif these side issues.

I notices some units have no guageas at all and have aseperate maybe optional manifold that you buy and keep seperate from the pump housing, which unit is this and why do they do this?

again my old stinger works great after all these years but is going to be my designated r22 pump so i am in need of a 410a revovery machine so which should i buy and why?

[fcs]

again my old stinger works great after all these years but is going to be my designated r22 pump so i am in need of a 410a revovery machine so which should i buy and why?

YJ go to the Craper lately
Appoin or promax

[repairtech1]

i have a promax rg5410hp

[acguytx]

i have a promax rg5410hp

and...................?

[repairtech1]

and...................?
I thought someone was taking a survey............? Mine has been really good until. WOuld recomend. Thats all.

[GGIT]

I'am new to this community. I'am trying to find out who makes a model LV1 recovery unit. Can you help?

[tostaos]

I believe National Refrigeration Products had once LV1, but I think this unit isn't sold anymore.

[acguytx]

well im looking for a model that is fast, reliable and works well with 410a without a lot of issues like having to struggle with resets and cooling tank etc.....

however if i had to sacrafice one of my needs id say fast , as i rather have a solid relaible machine then a fast unreliable one with issues that give me headaches every use!

so what should i look at and why?

[tostaos]

this is post 100. Did you read all posts on this thread? It's obvious which one is the favorite machine on this forum.

[acguytx]

The G5 Twin is hands down the best recovery machine manufactured. It is the only one that pumps straight liquid. The G5 had a plastic gear to run the cooling fan which is now metal in all the new models. Gear box failures are a thing of the past. The only thing that will kill an appion is too short of an extension cord.

what year did this change and how can you tell, can i look at it and tell? , serial numbers etc ??

[atlantis1]

OK people,,,, Give me 3 Good reasons why I should by the Devil Diablo Over a what is it,, D5 or G5?


Come on now,,, Put me some "TIME" Comparisons down here for good read!

Example,,, How long does it take to recover 5 Pounds of refrigerant VS other Machines...

"My Hands Itching."


EDIT,,, Hrm... The G5 Does have a Good rep,,, And,, Isn't everyone paid by the hour... Thinking...

[itsiceman]

1-U
2-S
3-A

[Mbacon1958]

Promax is junk I have the new g5 twin and it pumps liquid like its nobody's business

[Doctorstone]

I have used the Appion G5 for a few years now, and I love it. It has always been a "company tool", but my new employer requires service techs to own EVERYTHING they need to do their job. I am totally okay with this policy, since I enjoy working with my own stuff, and I will be buying the G5 for myself.

[lytning]

Almost sure that was United's first one. It was also my first. I had a promax but the G5 is the best EVER.

I believe National Refrigeration Products had once LV1, but I think this unit isn't sold anymore.

[Grayline]

G-5 No Doubt ... All my trucks Have one if you can get by the high side guage unwinding ( they all do it) its a perfect Piece of equipment