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ctrlguy
03-04-2009, 02:49 PM
I see Echelon is touting Lonworks 2.0 including a new faster, cheaper more powerful Neuron chip with no more credit for commissioning, 254 NVs, a new operating system and a new Lonmaker. Looks nice. http://www.echelon.com/products/lonworks/default.htm
digo
03-04-2009, 03:15 PM
"FT 5000-based devices are fully compatible with existing LonWorks networks and vice versa."
I wonder if this is the transceiver going into the new HW spyder micros.
ddcfreek
03-05-2009, 09:11 PM
"FT 5000-based devices are fully compatible with existing LonWorks networks and vice versa."
I wonder if this is the transceiver going into the new HW spyder micros.

Have you seen anything yet with the new spyders as far as what models are coming out and i/o point counts? I just caught a glimps on John Hutchey's computer of one with no i/o points, as in a LON actuator.
sysint
03-05-2009, 09:13 PM
I was told no by Hwell today. However, it's possible that person was unaware (training instructor).
crab master
03-05-2009, 11:27 PM
Now if they can also offer licensing based on a hardware dongle such as a usb key that would be great, I would still like to see PC key based as an option as for engineering PC's, but for service guys it would be nice to just hand them the usb key and not have to give up your laptop. I am really glad to hear they got rid of the credits - in my mind that was a horrible setup, extra hassles and hoops to jump through that should've been taken care of with the initial hardware charge.
sysint
03-06-2009, 07:16 AM
Well, it sounds like the credits are gone if you are using this chip. Doesn't say anything about a non-Neuron chip or even their current chip.
viceman
03-06-2009, 09:09 AM
Have you seen anything yet with the new spyders as far as what models are coming out and i/o point counts? I just caught a glimps on John Hutchey's computer of one with no i/o points, as in a LON actuator.

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freddy-b
03-06-2009, 09:10 AM
Now if they can also offer licensing based on a hardware dongle such as a usb key that would be great, I would still like to see PC key based as an option as for engineering PC's, but for service guys it would be nice to just hand them the usb key and not have to give up your laptop. I am really glad to hear they got rid of the credits - in my mind that was a horrible setup, extra hassles and hoops to jump through that should've been taken care of with the initial hardware charge.

Or you could use Tridium to manage your LON network... where credits were never a issue to begin with.
sysint
03-06-2009, 09:13 AM
No credits- Tridium calls that licensing and training fees. License IP852.... and then restrict the output. That's essentially credits. Fair is fair. Everytime you put a Trid box you pay for their platform. However, you expect to load a software package up for a first cost and use it forevermore on additional sites for no cost?
freddy-b
03-06-2009, 09:17 AM
No credits- Tridium calls that licensing and training fees. License IP852.... and then restrict the output. That's essentially credits.

Ya Sys, I forgot about that .01 % of jobs that...... applies too. My bad.
sysint
03-06-2009, 09:40 AM
Well, before we turn this into the Tridium sales show, more of the cost of the software for Tridium is actually built into the box. So yes you pay for it.
Licensing OPC? Adding extended memory? Parts of all of that go to paying for the use of X amount of nodes. Just a fact.
freddy-b
03-06-2009, 12:46 PM
Well, before we turn this into the Tridium sales show, more of the cost of the software for Tridium is actually built into the box. So yes you pay for it.
Licensing OPC? Adding extended memory? Parts of all of that go to paying for the use of X amount of nodes. Just a fact.

Ya, I am just the North American Sales Guru for Tridium. You calling out a sales pitch is kind of like a Terrorist calling for peace with jews.
orion242
03-06-2009, 12:58 PM
>You calling out a sales pitch is kind of like a Terrorist calling for peace with jews.

LOL....now I got to wipe the coffee off my monitor.....
sysint
03-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Ya, I am just the North American Sales Guru for Tridium. ..Sure seems like it... Can't we talk about JCI now?
freddy-b
03-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Sure seems like it... Can't we talk about JCI now?

I wish I had that paycheck. That person sure must have one cake job..huh?

Sure what do you want to know about JCI? Even though it is well known I dont like them. Everything I posted was from first hand experience. Even the most anti-freddy board member/JCI lover will tell you most of it had/has substantial merit.

AX is your White Whale of the month...thats fine. But your spin doctor mojo wont go unanswered. at least by me!
viceman
03-07-2009, 06:57 AM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t106/OnlyObvious/gop/whitewhale.jpg
theoldman
03-08-2009, 11:50 AM
Freddy, let me see if I have this straight. Sysint would actually bash a superior product like Tridium and push his own equipment and turn every thread into a sales pitch for his products on a technical forum? I just can't believe it so I will go back and read his posts on several threads just to make sure. Who would do that?
sysint
03-08-2009, 01:31 PM
Oldman, Please point out on this thread where I mention the products I represent or mention any comparison of them to Tridium. When you don't find it be honest enough to retract your statement.

The off topic Tridium mention was by someone else. However, you want to call it superior start another thread...
freddy-b
03-08-2009, 01:57 PM
Freddy, let me see if I have this straight. Sysint would actually bash a superior product like Tridium and push his own equipment and turn every thread into a sales pitch for his products on a technical forum? I just can't believe it so I will go back and read his posts on several threads just to make sure. Who would do that?

Sysint, apparently has a market for his stuff. But in my small world his product is damn near a non existent player at any level...much less a total solution provider. Loytec is really a non-factor as a total solution as far as I am concerned. They appear to have some good periphials...that if software tools were tweaked to fit our business model needs as a solution provider..we probably would use them alot.

I just stated a fact about lon-credits ..which the topic was already brought up, I was accused of pitching Tridium for that.....and it went on from there.
sysint
03-08-2009, 07:09 PM
Freddy, I just tagged you on it because of a different thread. Don't put too much into it... But as long as you brought it up they are the standard in LON routing, especially on the really large projects. The servers are new. Give it some time. Anyway, there is probably Loytec under the hood of products some Tridium guys already use anyway. We make config tools that work in LNS or on Windows. I don't see us adding it to work with other than the WIN OS as most everyone either works or has a WIN OS PC.
crab master
03-10-2009, 10:41 AM
I just got done with email correspondence with Echelon and what a disaster - IMO - they left the address table limitation at 15. That has been my biggest gripe with the neuron chip.
nikko
03-10-2009, 08:00 PM
What's their NV count for this new sliced bread?
sysint
03-10-2009, 08:42 PM
.... 255 I think. Did you see the line about the short stack? :eek: It's back apparently.
nikko
03-10-2009, 08:52 PM
No, didn't see that. Short stack isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's extremely immature as far as a product goes. It need a lot of help/work to migrate it onto "proper" processors (think ARM) and it needs a lot of help to do decent functional memory management etc.

Can't help but think this is Elon dusting off the old stuff, painting it a new shade and pushing it back on the street though. If their marketing game hasn't changed, I seriously doubt the technology is going to be a pleasant surprise.

EDIT:
found this:
The 5000 Series chips support up to 254 NVs without requiring a ShortStack Micro Server