Ford says car sales are stabilizing

[k-fridge]

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/auto_show_ford/2009/02/11/180697.html


So tell me again, why do we need a bailout?

[mrs reb77]

Shush, the Government says it is needed so who are you to question!

It's people like you bucking the system that just makes none of it work right. That's why the Government is going to have to take over your thought processes, you're dangerous! :eek:


:D

[mikethe ductman]

I have always been against the bail out, to me its just another way of saying trickle down, and we all know how well trickle down works.

[k-fridge]

I have always been against the bail out, to me its just another way of saying trickle down, and we all know how well trickle down works.

Trickle down actually works, but we haven't seen it since the early 80's.

The bail out isn't trickle down, it's corporate wellfare.

[mikethe ductman]

Trickle down actually works, but we haven't seen it since the early 80's.

The bail out isn't trickle down, it's corporate wellfare.

I think you are confused slick Willy worked and trickle down failed.

Trickle down/bail out= the same thing, money going to the rich hoping in will make its way to mainstream America.

[k-fridge]

I think you are confused slick Willy worked and trickle down failed.

Trickle down/bail out= the same thing, money going to the rich hoping in will make its way to mainstream America.

Nope. Trickle down worked, the economy boomed and tax revenues almost doubled. Unfortunately, congress spent even more.

Nothing against Slick Willie, but he rode the wave of an economic boom. And part of that boom was due to trickle down policies from his predecessor. Facts are facts Mikey. The stats are all public record.

BTW...trickle down worked for JFK too. Yes, a Democrat.

[BigJon3475]

Unless I missed it Ford never drank the kool aid. If a time comes again Ford will definitely be my choice for the future. They of the three were the only ones that started implementing this lean change over process and a structure that could move into the future which is why they are able to bear this burden a little better. Who knows how long though.

Today retail sales rose 1%

Take a look through the tax bracket history and which areas of history grew the fastest. You will notice a definite trend. However considering our entire infrastructure is built up on our monetary system tinkering with it is about like trying your own heart surgery. They figured out in the Great Depression an unfettered financial system is deadly with a fractional reserve banking system. (http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/ModernMoneyMechanics.pdf)

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=19
http://emlab.berkeley.edu/users/cromer/nadraft1108.pdf


Back when the GD happened they enacted a bill called the Glass-Stegal (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html) the repeal of that was the last final step to have us do an instant replay of the Great Depression. Instead of capital leaving the industrial sector and entering into the financial sector like it did in the great depression. It left the Tech sector and entered the housing sector.

[k-fridge]

And retail sales rose unexpectedly in January.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090212/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/retail_sales

And we need 800 trillion in stimulus because...........?

Boys (and girl), we're being hoodwinked.

[WhoIsThat?]

I think you are confused slick Willy worked and trickle down failed.

Trickle down/bail out= the same thing, money going to the rich hoping in will make its way to mainstream America.
With Slick Willy something actually did trickle down.

[frostman]

Trickle down actually works, but we haven't seen it since the early 80's.

The bail out isn't trickle down, it's corporate wellfare.

Yeah, tell all those people who lost their jobs in the 80's and early 90's that trickle down works. It only benefits the already rich.

[frostman]

Unless I missed it Ford never drank the kool aid. If a time comes again Ford will definitely be my choice for the future. They of the three were the only ones that started implementing this lean change over process and a structure that could move into the future which is why they are able to bear this burden a little better. Who knows how long though.

Today retail sales rose 1%

Take a look through the tax bracket history and which areas of history grew the fastest. You will notice a definite trend. However considering our entire infrastructure is built up on our monetary system tinkering with it is about like trying your own heart surgery. They figured out in the Great Depression an unfettered financial system is deadly with a fractional reserve banking system. (http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/ModernMoneyMechanics.pdf)

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=19
http://emlab.berkeley.edu/users/cromer/nadraft1108.pdf


Back when the GD happened they enacted a bill called the Glass-Stegal (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html) the repeal of that was the last final step to have us do an instant replay of the Great Depression. Instead of capital leaving the industrial sector and entering into the financial sector like it did in the great depression. It left the Tech sector and entered the housing sector.

Ford has every piece of property they own mortgaged to the hilt. That's why they appear to be in the best shape of the big 2.25.

[whec720]

Ford has every piece of property they own mortgaged to the hilt. That's why they appear to be in the best shape of the big 2.25.

If that is the case, it doesn't sound good. Either way, you have to give Ford some credit for not taking the "blood" money.

[k-fridge]

Yeah, tell all those people who lost their jobs in the 80's and early 90's that trickle down works. It only benefits the already rich.
And who does the rest of people work for?

Hint...THE RICH

[frostman]

And who does the rest of people work for?

Hint...THE RICH

Um, yeah, and how many people get the benefit of it? Where's all the high paying jobs that trickle down was suppose to produce?

[frostman]

If that is the case, it doesn't sound good. Either way, you have to give Ford some credit for not taking the "blood" money.

Yeah, but if the other two Detroit makers end up in bankruptcy, Ford will as well. They're all to connected through the supply chain.

[whec720]

Yeah, but if the other two Detroit makers end up in bankruptcy, Ford will as well. They're all to connected through the supply chain.

Yeah, and so does Toyota as well. The local Delphi plant near me makes lots of parts for them too. You don't hear about Toyota going bankrupt.

[k-fridge]

Um, yeah, and how many people get the benefit of it? Where's all the high paying jobs that trickle down was suppose to produce?
Any income to the rich that doesn't go to either savings, taxes, or another country ends up producing jobs and putting money in people's pockets.

Think about it. It's really very simple.

[glennac]

Hell ford is tooling up the F series line as fast as they can and hiring back folks and working over time getting the beasts back on the road. I have been considering getting a F350 with a manual shift and maybe some big horns on the side so I can "blow away" the wimpy Prius and other "funny pink" cars.:D:D:)

[mikethe ductman]

ahhhhhhh

[k-fridge]

You better watch your a$$ frosty, we're being picked off one at a time.

Its pretty much just you and me, and after we are gone what k said will be true"it would just be a GOP circle of jerks around here":)
It almost seems like you want to make that a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I can explain what that means if you want. :D

There's a few other libs here, but they are civil so they never get "in trouble". No one ever gets banned for their beliefs.

If we wanted you gone, I only need to click a button. Poof, it's that simple, we don't need anyone's permission or anything. Think about it.

[mikethe ductman]

Hell ford is tooling up the F series line as fast as they can and hiring back folks and working over time getting the beasts back on the road. I have been considering getting a F350 with a manual shift and maybe some big horns on the side so I can "blow away" the wimpy Prius and other "funny pink" cars.:D:D:)

That's just what the boys in Iran want to hear.

[mikethe ductman]

Any income to the rich that doesn't go to either savings, taxes, or another country ends up producing jobs and putting money in people's pockets.

Think about it. It's really very simple.

You could say the same about any class in America.

It just stupid "IMO" to think if the rich don't have a yatch or a jet, that the middle class is doomed.

I can't figure out why so many people think that a product or service will do some one any good if there is no money to pay for the service or goods.

[frostman]

There's another reason Ford didn't take the bailout. Seems most of the Ford family income comes from the companies class B stock..and if they had taken the bailout they would have lost their income because of the restrictions that would have come with it.

[k-fridge]

There's another reason Ford didn't take the bailout. Seems most of the Ford family income comes from the companies class B stock..and if they had taken the bailout they would have lost their income because of the restrictions that would have come with it.
I figured there was something like tha too it.

[whec720]

My cousin works at the Lakeview Ford Plant. Inside baseball, they are confident they can make it without the bailout. There might be some more layoffs, but they will not fold.
Maybe the Fords have more old money than most people know about.

[frostman]

I figured there was something like tha too it.

Yep, they would have jumped at the chance to take some bailout money otherwise.

[lanceonthejob]

Hell ford is tooling up the F series line as fast as they can and hiring back folks and working over time getting the beasts back on the road. I have been considering getting a F350 with a manual shift and maybe some big horns on the side so I can "blow away" the wimpy Prius and other "funny pink" cars.:D:D:)

I would assume that this post is a joke.

'cause it's attitudes like this AND billy-bob-the-walmart-shopper who thinks he can 'afford' a $500K home with a $40K salary that got us into this MESS.

[jrbenny]

I would assume that this post is a joke.

'cause it's attitudes like this AND billy-bob-the-walmart-shopper who thinks he can 'afford' a $500K home with a $40K salary that got us into this MESS.
How does glenn's purchase of a truck cause a recession?

Perhaps you could explain your version of the economic collapse.

[mikethe ductman]

How does glenn's purchase of a truck cause a recession?

Perhaps you could explain your version of the economic collapse.

I won't answer for him but the people who bought the suv's and the one ton trucks that they really did not need ,they are a big part on the problem we have now.

The world runs on oil, and OPEC knows that.

Once again we need to thank reagan for his burn as much gas as you want mentality.

[jrbenny]

I won't answer for him but the people who bought the suv's and the one ton trucks that they really did not need ,they are a big part on the problem we have now.

The world runs on oil, and OPEC knows that.

Once again we need to thank reagan for his burn as much gas as you want mentality.
Who doesn't need one?

Are you part of the SUV police?

Are you going to tell the rest of us how to be responsible?

[RoBoTeq]

That's just what the boys in Iran want to hear.
Just curious; have you ever tried hauling a load of plywood, sheet rock or bags of concrete in a Prius?

There are just some vehicles that use more gas that need to exist for practical purposes.

[RoBoTeq]

I would assume that this post is a joke.

'cause it's attitudes like this AND billy-bob-the-walmart-shopper who thinks he can 'afford' a $500K home with a $40K salary that got us into this MESS.
Let me guess; you have pitched your tent out in left field?

The Billy Bob's of this country making $40k are living in modest homes and driving mostly "kept up" vehicles, albeit not usually very gas efficient.

It is Shashisa's of this country that are getting the liberal perks while being told they "deserve" to have what da rich folks have.

[mikethe ductman]

Who doesn't need one?

Are you part of the SUV police?

Are you going to tell the rest of us how to be responsible?

LOL, I thought reagan was dead.
I guess $4 a gallon for gas did not teach some people a damn thing!

[mikethe ductman]

Just curious; have you ever tried hauling a load of plywood, sheet rock or bags of concrete in a Prius?

There are just some vehicles that use more gas that need to exist for practical purposes.

Earth to robo

We are talking about an 80 year old man right?

If glen is 80 and can still hang sheet rock or mix an 80# bag of cement then he is superman.

Now I am only guessing but I would bet that glen really does not need a 1 ton truck. BTW he never said anything about working out of it.

[k-fridge]

Earth to robo

We are talking about an 80 year old man right?

If glen is 80 and can still hang sheet rock or mix an 80# bag of cement then he is superman.

Now I am only guessing but I would bet that glen really does not need a 1 ton truck. BTW he never said anything about working out of it.
We run 1 ton box trucks because it lets us carry more parts that cut way back on supply house runs. That saves more fuel that if we drove Scions and had to run get every part we need. BTW, we do commercial HVAC/Refrigeration/cooking so we have to carry lots of parts.

[mikethe ductman]

We run 1 ton box trucks because it lets us carry more parts that cut way back on supply house runs. That saves more fuel that if we drove Scions and had to run get every part we need. BTW, we do commercial HVAC/Refrigeration/cooking so we have to carry lots of parts.

All I need is a hammer and a roll of duct tape and I can fix any thing.

I do have a meter but the batteries died last year so now when I take it out its just to make it look like I know what I am doing.

[RoBoTeq]

Earth to robo

We are talking about an 80 year old man right?

If glen is 80 and can still hang sheet rock or mix an 80# bag of cement then he is superman.

Now I am only guessing but I would bet that glen really does not need a 1 ton truck. BTW he never said anything about working out of it.
Well, I don't think Glenn is quite 80:rolleyes:

Glenn also is a hard worker who uses his truck. You really don't seem to know very much, do you?

[bootlen]

I won't answer for him but the people who bought the suv's and the one ton trucks that they really did not need ,they are a big part on the problem we have now.

The world runs on oil, and OPEC knows that.

Once again we need to thank reagan for his burn as much gas as you want mentality.

Umm, no, it's the tree-huggin' lib dems that won't allow tapping into the largest oil reserve on earth that has us dependent on Arab oil.

So do away with all the SUV's and we still have a need for oil. Small vehicles still use petrol. Industry still uses petrol. Matter of fact, mike, name on facet of life where petrol does not play some role.

[mikethe ductman]

Well, I don't think Glenn is quite 80:rolleyes:

Glenn also is a hard worker who uses his truck. You really don't seem to know very much, do you?

I have no doubt that glen is a hard worker ,most of the time hard headed people are hard workers.

But I have never seen an 80 year old man hang sheet rock or mix concrete.

As for him being 80 I thought some one maybe him say that, that was the reason I put the "?" after that statement.

And I will say it again he said NOTHING about work in his post.

Next time slow down when you read a post so it has time to sink in.

[mikethe ductman]

Umm, no, it's the tree-huggin' lib dems that won't allow tapping into the largest oil reserve on earth that has us dependent on Arab oil.

So do away with all the SUV's and we still have a need for oil. Small vehicles still use petrol. Industry still uses petrol. Matter of fact, mike, name on facet of life where petrol does not play some role.

Thank you for making my point when I said the world runs on oil:)

As for drilling for more oil it goes back to the quick fix thing and the spark plug wire thing, I really don't want to bring it up for a second time today but mrs reb might want to fill you in.

If you would tell me where the largest reserve is and who says its there.

[k-fridge]

All I need is a hammer and a roll of duct tape and I can fix any thing.

I do have a meter but the batteries died last year so now when I take it out its just to make it look like I know what I am doing.
Not in the commercial side Mikey, we don't rig stuff when there's food to keep cold.

[RoBoTeq]

Well, GM and Chrysler aren't doing very well in union negotiations to reduce operating costs. I wonder if Ford is even trying? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090215/ap_on_bi_ge/autos_bailouts

[jrbenny]

LOL, I thought reagan was dead.
I guess $4 a gallon for gas did not teach some people a damn thing!
Didn't even phase me. I can afford what I drive, mikey.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a gov't handout lib to understand that concept.

[mikethe ductman]

Didn't even phase me. I can afford what I drive, mikey.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a gov't handout lib to understand that concept.

Thats the American spirit, yes we are all in this together but screw the people who can't afford gas.LOL

[bootlen]

All I need is a hammer and a roll of duct tape and I can fix any thing.

I do have a meter but the batteries died last year so now when I take it out its just to make it look like I know what I am doing.

You have watched WAY too much Mcguyver...or however you spell his name.

[k-fridge]

You have watched WAY too much Mcguyver...or however you spell his name.
Just look at my avatar. :D

[bootlen]

Not in the commercial side Mikey, we don't rig stuff when there's food to keep cold.

Hey, K. The lights come on and the hacks scurry. Except the blind ones. LOL!

[bootlen]

Just look at my avatar. :D

Ah! Thanks. :rolleyes:

[mikethe ductman]

You have watched WAY too much Mcguyver...or however you spell his name.

I am more of an A-Team kinda guy

[bootlen]

Thank you for making my point when I said the world runs on oil:)

As for drilling for more oil it goes back to the quick fix thing and the spark plug wire thing, I really don't want to bring it up for a second time today but mrs reb might want to fill you in.

If you would tell me where the largest reserve is and who says its there.

ANWAR, oil shale deposits in the CONUS, and offshore. "Who says it's there?" Okay. I'll humor you. The oil companies. Drilling companies. Geologists. Lib treehuggers. Why would the oil companies want expend time and money were it not?

[mikethe ductman]

ANWAR, oil shale deposits in the CONUS, and offshore. "Who says it's there?" Okay. I'll humor you. The oil companies. Drilling companies. Geologists. Lib treehuggers. Why would the oil companies want expend time and money were it not?

I have no doubt that there is some there, its the amount you say is there that is what I doubt.

[bootlen]

I have no doubt that there is some there, its the amount you say is there that is what I doubt.

I don't say anything. Experts do. As well as some who are NOT so expert.

[RoBoTeq]

Thats the American spirit, yes we are all in this together but screw the people who can't afford gas.LOL
If someone cannot afford something, then they just can't afford it. Hell, there are many things that most of us can't afford. As Steven Wright says; "you can't have everything, where would you put it?"

I grew up in a home where we usually could not afford much. There were times when the bulk block of cheese and half gallon cardboard peanut butter can were considered the high point of the month. Now, for some reason, everyone in the country has been convinced if they vote for Democrats that they "deserve" all of the things that hard working people have.

That's just BS, and it doesn't help anyone but the liberal politicians. Just using the masses to benefit the few with the money produced by those in between.

[jrbenny]

Thats the American spirit, yes we are all in this together but screw the people who can't afford gas.LOL
I rather enjoyed the high prices. Certainly cut drive time to the office with the increased use of carpools.

[whec720]

Looks like you have painted yourself pretty good into a corner, Mike. In the real world, no one gives you anything.
Most people do not grow up in privilege, so we have to earn what we get. If we don't earn enough, we can not attain every material thing we desire. So we have to sift through the sand of our wants and pick the ones that are most important and the ones we can afford (and yes, that includes lines of credit). It's called making informed choices, part of being an adult.

[mikethe ductman]

All that coming from the people who's party was against raising the minimum wage and was for a tax cut to the rich, it just makes you boys look like you want to keep some people at the lower end of the pay scale.

As for people getting what ever they want, who said that gas was a luxury, for most people want has nothing to do with it a better word would be need.


Yes reagans not dead he still lives through you guys and your me first approach to life.

[whec720]

All that coming from the people who's party was against raising the minimum wage and was for a tax cut to the rich, it just makes you boys look like you want to keep some people at the lower end of the pay scale.

As for people getting what ever they want, who said that gas was a luxury, for most people want has nothing to do with it a better word would be need.


Yes reagans not dead he still lives through you guys and your me first approach to life.

I see, your shoes are covered in paint. Don't slip finding your way to the door...:rolleyes::D

[acmanko]

Just curious; have you ever tried hauling a load of plywood, sheet rock or bags of concrete in a Prius?

There are just some vehicles that use more gas that need to exist for practical purposes.
you should not be doing DIY work. there are legitimate business who want and need the work.

next thing we'll here is how some poorly built shed on cracked concrete has degraded the environment and FENA will be called in to clean up the disaster:cool:

[acmanko]

is thinking of Chapter 11

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090214/bs_nm/us_gm_plan

[whec720]

you should not be doing DIY work. there are legitimate business who want and need the work.

next thing we'll here is how some poorly built shed on cracked concrete has degraded the environment and FENA will be called in to clean up the disaster:cool:

FEMA


Welcome back, ac. Where have you been?

[acmanko]

FEMA


Welcome back, ac. Where have you been?
regenerating grey cells, so I can contribute more to conversations that touch on gray areas:rolleyes:

[acmanko]

FEMA


Welcome back, ac. Where have you been? No,FENA, think about it

[whec720]

is thinking of Chapter 11

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090214/bs_nm/us_gm_plan

I sure hope so. This is what should be done. Tax payers should not be in the business of loaning money to failing businesses. I hope it works out for GM. They must make it on their own. If they can't, some other car maker will fill the void. Life goes on.

[whec720]

No,FENA, think about it

These guys??

http://www.fena.org

[whec720]

Oh boy, GM wants another 5 billion from us.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1852722~GM__Chrysler_labor_talks_slow_as_deadline_ nears.html

On the plus side, the UAW has agreed to let the "jobs bank" die.

[RoBoTeq]

All that coming from the people who's party was against raising the minimum wage and was for a tax cut to the rich, it just makes you boys look like you want to keep some people at the lower end of the pay scale.

As for people getting what ever they want, who said that gas was a luxury, for most people want has nothing to do with it a better word would be need.


Yes reagans not dead he still lives through you guys and your me first approach to life.
Well, I don't know about the rest who strive for some assemblence of common sense, but I certainly don't even like the idea of being part of a political party let alone calling one "my" party. I think Republicans overall pretty much showed their distain of the Republican party in the last election.

Raising the minimum wage does nothing other then giving politicians another tool to play with. There are just not that many minimum wage jobs in the U.S. that warrant paying what the minimum wage is.

We, as Americans, are all equal in the fact that each and every one of us has the right to "strive" to achieve whatever we individually are capable of and willing to work for. We all have the right to "pursue" happiness. This does not mean that our government is in any way responsible for giving us happiness. That would be Socialism. That is where we are plummeting toward and it has historically never worked.

If buying gas is part of your basic needs, then people must adjust their lifestyle to higher gas prices. I did. I traded in a vehicle that got 15 miles per gallon for one that gets 24 miles per gallon. I still needed a certain amount of workable space, so I could not opt for an even more efficient vehicle. I also streamlined my customre routing in order to drive less each day. Those who are responsible persons do what needs to be done without whining for handouts from other Americans who are prospering through their hard work. Yes mikey, when you cry for our government to give those who are not as responsible free stuff, you are taking the earnings of those who are responsible out of their pockets through taxation. That is the basics of Socialism. Did I mention it has never worked?

[RoBoTeq]

you should not be doing DIY work. there are legitimate business who want and need the work.

next thing we'll here is how some poorly built shed on cracked concrete has degraded the environment and FENA will be called in to clean up the disaster:cool:
:DNo need to worry about me doing DIY projects anymore. Hell, I screwed up most of my DIY projects when I was more capable of doing them.

My truck is a 5'3" bed Quad Cab Dakota, more for hauliing catalogues and calanders and occasional equipment to contractors then anything else. I only drive that vehicle when stuff just won't fit in my fuel efficient Jeep Compass.

Nope, this ex-DIYer prefers to make money and pay others to do what I am not very good at.;)

[RoBoTeq]

is thinking of Chapter 11

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090214/bs_nm/us_gm_plan
This came about after the UAW refused to work with GM on cutting excess costs of doing business through the union. This is what should have been done months ago and we the people could have saved several billion dollars in bailout money that just got pissed down the proverbial union drain.

[RoBoTeq]

regenerating grey cells, so I can contribute more to conversations that touch on gray areas:rolleyes:
You can't even spell grey the same twice in the same sentence. Can you spell maroon?:p

[RoBoTeq]

These guys??

http://www.fena.org
Wow! It's gonna take an awful lot of those nano thingies to prop up my sagging shed:rolleyes:

[RoBoTeq]

Oh boy, GM wants another 5 billion from us.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1852722~GM__Chrysler_labor_talks_slow_as_deadline_ nears.html

On the plus side, the UAW has agreed to let the "jobs bank" die.
I hope you are being sarcastic about the jobs bank. That was something that was agreed to be done before any money was ever given to the automakers because it is such an absurd thing to have to pay employees as much to not work as to work.

Outside of this absurdity, the UAW is not giving up anything that will help keep the automakers from failiing.

[whec720]

I hope you are being sarcastic about the jobs bank. That was something that was agreed to be done before any money was ever given to the automakers because it is such an absurd thing to have to pay employees as much to not work as to work.

Outside of this absurdity, the UAW is not giving up anything that will help keep the automakers from failiing.

The last sentence in the AP article states:

The UAW already has agreed to end the "jobs bank" in which laid-off workers get about 95 percent of their pay.

I agree with you, the jobs bank is absurd.

[acmanko]

You can't even spell grey the same twice in the same sentence. Can you spell maroon?:p

right grey, write grey

they mean different things maroon moroon:D

[RoBoTeq]

right grey, write grey

they mean different things maroon moroon:D
So solly Challie, you wong.

Grey is mostly European spelling while gray is Americanized. Either is acceptable as the colour...er....color.

Just what different definitions were you going to assign to which spelling?

Your "moroon" shows your urban thinking;


moroon 1 n., constructed using the words moron (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moron) and baboon (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=baboon). Used mainly for brutish persons, boors who aren't too clever either.


Watch it, moroon. That's my second drink you tipped over.

moron (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moron) baboon (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=baboon) brute (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brute) boor (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boor) stupid (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stupid)


"More on" this lesson later;)

[acmanko]

Grey goo is to a hypothetical end-of-the-world scenario involving molecular nanotechnology in which out-of-control self-replicating robots consume all living matter on Earth while building more of themselves (a scenario known as ecophagy).[5]


The substance that composes the brain is referred to as "grey matter", and so the color is associated with things intellectual



In France, to be "gray" (être gris) means to be drunk. Accordingly, to be extremely drunk is to be "black" (être noir). In the U.S., the college slang verb to gray was used around 1900 to mean to get drunk.[3]

[RoBoTeq]

Grey goo is to a hypothetical end-of-the-world scenario involving molecular nanotechnology in which out-of-control self-replicating robots consume all living matter on Earth while building more of themselves (a scenario known as ecophagy).[5]


The substance that composes the brain is referred to as "grey matter", and so the color is associated with things intellectual



In France, to be "gray" (être gris) means to be drunk. Accordingly, to be extremely drunk is to be "black" (être noir). In the U.S., the college slang verb to gray was used around 1900 to mean to get drunk.[3]
Real American men don't think like or relate to Frenchy frog boys like you mancow.

[acmanko]

Real American men don't think like or relate to Frenchy frog boys like you mancow. have a scotch on me and go gray

[jrbenny]

All that coming from the people who's party was against raising the minimum wage and was for a tax cut to the rich, it just makes you boys look like you want to keep some people at the lower end of the pay scale.

As for people getting what ever they want, who said that gas was a luxury, for most people want has nothing to do with it a better word would be need.


Yes reagans not dead he still lives through you guys and your me first approach to life.
Me first? Hardly.

You getting what you earn? You bet.

I got to my position by utilizing the gifts that God gave to me. I bust my rear to be able to afford they way that we live.

It's not about keeping someone down. It's about expecting them to work for their things.

[RoBoTeq]

Me first? Hardly.

You getting what you earn? You bet.

I got to my position by utilizing the gifts that God gave to me. I bust my rear to be able to afford they way that we live.

It's not about keeping someone down. It's about expecting them to work for their things.
You may have inadvertently stumbled onto something here jr. We who prefer to take control of our lives don't mind busting our rears to do so. Those who are willing to have the government run their lives don't mind getting their rears busted to do so.:confused:

[Richard Kletty]

All that coming from the people who's party was against raising the minimum wage and was for a tax cut to the rich, it just makes you boys look like you want to keep some people at the lower end of the pay scale.

As for people getting what ever they want, who said that gas was a luxury, for most people want has nothing to do with it a better word would be need.

Yes reagans not dead he still lives through you guys and your me first approach to life.

I have two words for you Mike....

Economics Class.

You should look into taking a basic one first. You know, just to get your feet wet.

[acmanko]

a song just for ya'll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si0WTCMrksw&feature=related

[mikethe ductman]

Me first? Hardly.

You getting what you earn? You bet.

I got to my position by utilizing the gifts that God gave to me. I bust my rear to be able to afford they way that we live.

It's not about keeping someone down. It's about expecting them to work for their things.

If you are a republican then your party trys to hold people down.

From 1956 to 2006 a republican prez has only increased the minimum wage $1.60.

That is 4 years of ike, 8 years of nixon/ford, 8 years of reagan, 4 years of bush sr. and 6 years of jr.

That 26 year and $1.60

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774473.html

ike-0
nixon/ford -.70
reagan-0
bush sr.-.90
jr-0, through 06 then the dems made him raise it.

[mikethe ductman]

I have two words for you Mike....

Economics Class.

You should look into taking a basic one first. You know, just to get your feet wet.

I think your boy bush had a degree in business?
Sounds like you took the same classes as him.

[jrbenny]

If you are a republican then your party trys to hold people down.

From 1956 to 2006 a republican prez has only increased the minimum wage $1.60.

That is 4 years of ike, 8 years of nixon/ford, 8 years of reagan, 4 years of bush sr. and 6 years of jr.

That 26 year and $1.60

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774473.html

ike-0
nixon/ford -.70
reagan-0
bush sr.-.90
jr-0, through 06 then the dems made him raise it.
I haven't made minimum wage since high school.

Get off your butt and earn a livin, mikey.

Forcing higher wages is crap.

[mikethe ductman]

I haven't made minimum wage since high school.

Get off your butt and earn a livin, mikey.

Forcing higher wages is crap.

Spoken like a true republican.

But here is the kicker, its not about me.

As for forcing higher wages, some people need a kick in the ass to do the right thing, to say that your boss will pay you what you are worth is crap, he will pay you only what he has to.

[k-fridge]

OK...I know how this is gonna sound, but somebody's gotta say it.

The vast majority of people making minimum wage aren't worth any more.

Also....raising minimum wage causes retail prices to rise accordingly. And the people who are impacted the most by the higher prices are.....yep, the people making low wages. It's false economy, raising minimum wages actually hurts the lower wage earners and the people on fixed incomes and/or government assistance.

Let the market determine what a job pays. Around here minimum wage is pretty much a myth anyway.

[mikethe ductman]

OK...I know how this is gonna sound, but somebody's gotta say it.

The vast majority of people making minimum wage aren't worth any more.

Also....raising minimum wage causes retail prices to rise accordingly. And the people who are impacted the most by the higher prices are.....yep, the people making low wages. It's false economy, raising minimum wages actually hurts the lower wage earners and the people on fixed incomes and/or government assistance.

Let the market determine what a job pays. Around here minimum wage is pretty much a myth anyway.

So by paying low income people less money we are really helping them out.

This comes from the heart that is the stupidest thing I have heard you say to date.

[k-fridge]

So by paying low income people less money we are really helping them out.

This comes from the heart that is the stupidest thing I have heard you say to date.

Twisting words a bit there Mikey.

Paying people what they are worth makes perfect sense, don't you think?

[jrbenny]

So we should just indiscriminately increase the wages of fast food workers and grocery baggers... right.

Welcome to the socialist republic of mikey.

[jrbenny]

Spoken like a true republican.

But here is the kicker, its not about me.

As for forcing higher wages, some people need a kick in the ass to do the right thing, to say that your boss will pay you what you are worth is crap, he will pay you only what he has to.
Spoken like a true government xxx sucker.

[mikethe ductman]

Twisting words a bit there Mikey.

Paying people what they are worth makes perfect sense, don't you think?

No no no no you said it not me.Paying some more money people hurts them more then it helps them, that might not be it word for word but that sums it up.

Now for paying what people are worth go back abd read post #85

[k-fridge]

No no no no you said it not me.Paying some more money people hurts them more then it helps them, that might not be it word for word but that sums it up.

Now for paying what people are worth go back abd read post #85

Paying them more because a law mandates it hurts them in the long run. Then, the wages are artificially inflated, and someone pays for it. The people who are affected by minimum wage spend a larger percentage of their income on small ticket retail goods, and they are the most impacted by the resulting higher prices.

Simple economics Mikey.


But answer a serious question for me....how many people do you know making minimum wage?

[mikethe ductman]

Who doesn't need one?

Are you part of the SUV police?

Are you going to tell the rest of us how to be responsible?

So you think its alright for you to suck up a lot a gas in your suv ,which makes the price of gas go up for every one, then you ***** when they want more money to pay for every thing that went up because your gas sucking suv stuck it to every one in the butt.

So its ok for you to stick it to people but when they do it to you they are low lifes.

[mikethe ductman]

Paying them more because a law mandates it hurts them in the long run. Then, the wages are artificially inflated, and someone pays for it. The people who are affected by minimum wage spend a larger percentage of their income on small ticket retail goods, and they are the most impacted by the resulting higher prices.

Simple economics Mikey.


But answer a serious question for me....how many people do you know making minimum wage?

I don't go around asking people how much they make, but there has to be a minimum wage or all we would have are sweat shops with little brown people in them and of course ran by republicans.

[jrbenny]

Who's sticking it to me, mikey?

I seem to have missed a sticking.

[mrs reb77]

So you think its alright for you to suck up a lot a gas in your suv ,which makes the price of gas go up for every one, then you ***** when they want more money to pay for every thing that went up because your gas sucking suv stuck it to every one in the butt.

So its ok for you to stick it to people but when they do it to you they are low lifes.

Until things change, this is still a free country......



I didn't see anyone but you mention sticking it to anyone or considering others low lifes...supposed to be live and let live, isn't it? ;)

[mrs reb77]

I don't go around asking people how much they make, but there has to be a minimum wage or all we would have are sweat shops with little brown people in them and of course ran by republicans.

Free enterprise? Free trade? HAS TO BE a minimum wage?


An economics class is definitely called for here....

[mrs reb77]

Does any business owner or manager here start their employees at minimum wage?

We are small so I can only reply to temp or part time help when we need but...uh...well....NO. Even us little bitty guys don't use that. Hell, even the neighborhood Hardees doesn't use minimum wage, they start at more--their people require training etc.

People that haven't a clue about 'minimum wage' shouldn't be spouting about it.....

[RoBoTeq]

So by paying low income people less money we are really helping them out.

This comes from the heart that is the stupidest thing I have heard you say to date.
No. Not regulating wages helps everyone and is one less thing we have to pay some beaurocrats to oversee.

[mikethe ductman]

Who's sticking it to me, mikey?

I seem to have missed a sticking.

Us xxx sucking democrats who think that minimum wage should buy more then beans and rice.

[k-fridge]

I don't go around asking people how much they make, but there has to be a minimum wage or all we would have are sweat shops with little brown people in them and of course ran by republicans.

Horse crap! The only sweat shops in existence are already illegal, minimum wage wouldn't change that.

Seriously Mikey....you are arguing a point from abstract with no real substance to back it up. Even most fast food places aren't paying minimum age, they can't get people to work for it. The market, even now in this economy, is driving wages; and anyone worth more than minimum (and many who aren't) is making more. I can show you McDonald's stores that are starting out at $7-$8 an hour. And many of the people earning this wage are functionally illiterate and/or don't have the sense to put their shoes on the right feet.

I'll state it again...the only people making minimum wage aren't worth any more.

[bootlen]

Spoken like a true republican.

But here is the kicker, its not about me.

As for forcing higher wages, some people need a kick in the ass to do the right thing, to say that your boss will pay you what you are worth is crap, he will pay you only what he has to.

Can you then explain why so few people make minimum wage? The vast majority of workers make more than minimum so that pretty much blows your theory to...shall we say...feces.

[mikethe ductman]

Can you then explain why so few people make minimum wage? The vast majority of workers make more than minimum so that pretty much blows your theory to...shall we say...feces.

So you guys want to join with the other countries that don't have a m/w


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

Well I can see some similarities
And bootlen if m/w is a non issue then why all the fuss?

[acmanko]

who determines the pay scale or who you were born to determines the wage scale

[jrbenny]

As I posted, I believe that you earn your pay. The government doesn't mandate what I'm paid, nor should the government mandate what an entry level worker is paid.

[acmanko]

As I posted, I believe that you earn your pay. The government doesn't mandate what I'm paid, nor should the government mandate what an entry level worker is paid.

The government mandates what you get to keep

[RoBoTeq]

As I posted, I believe that you earn your pay. The government doesn't mandate what I'm paid, nor should the government mandate what an entry level worker is paid.
Agreed.

That minimum worldwide minimum wage link has no relevance to this conversation because it does not take into account the type of government, the cost living or any other social factors that determine whether our pay is good for us or not. What I make in PA is a pretty decent wage, but in NY City, I would not survive on my wages.

Also, where you live and just existing is not a rite to being paid a certain wage. One way the world balances out who is who in the ranks of financial standing is who negotiates the best wages for themselves according to the skills they have. When we have governments and unions tipping that balance, we get issues such as Socialist politicians who prey on citizens who have been falsely propelled to social levels they are not capable of living in.

[bootlen]

The government mandates what you get to keep

Un-Constitutionally.

[acmanko]

Un-Constitutionally.

last time i read it, there wasan amebdment that made it constitutional.

its not like the holy book, where you can pick and choose what you like

[mrs reb77]

ac you have a cold? Sounds like it...:D

[k-fridge]

ac you have a cold? Sounds like it...:D
That's funny right there!

[acmanko]

ac you have a cold? Sounds like it...:D

yes, its in my fingers

[k-fridge]

yes, its in my fingers

That's just arthritis. :p

[whec720]

The government mandates what you get to keep

That is why I have always hated the income tax. You should be taxed by the amount you consume, and no more.

[bootlen]

last time i read it, there wasan amebdment that made it constitutional.

its not like the holy book, where you can pick and choose what you like

And unlike the Holy Book, it is contradictory. Thanks for making the point.

[Snapperhead]

Trickle down/bail out= the same thing, money going to the rich hoping in will make its way to mainstream America.Its gonna trickle down from the rich to the poor - after all- they have to pay someone to cut their grass dont they ? ? duh

[lanceonthejob]

How does glenn's purchase of a truck cause a recession?

Perhaps you could explain your version of the economic collapse.

hmmm...let's see, here's one.

Toyota, Honda, Nissan et al - will survive this recession without bailouts

Chrysler, GM and 'maybe' Ford...not so lucky, sport.

Who's making cars people actually want?
Who's making cars caught in somem kind of design time warp???

[RoBoTeq]

hmmm...let's see, here's one.

Toyota, Honda, Nissan et al - will survive this recession without bailouts

Chrysler, GM and 'maybe' Ford...not so lucky, sport.

Who's making cars people actually want?
Who's making cars caught in somem kind of design time warp???
Who's labor is controlled by American unions?

[acmanko]

Japan has been subsidizing Toyota, Honda and the others for decades

[acmanko]

Who's labor is controlled by American unions?

Chill David

[forged alloy]

Ford may be playing a very high stakes gamble here.

They leveraged everything physical of their company for cash two years back, which may have been the first smart thing they have done in twenty years.

They have also been the closest to the unions all along. Gettlefinger came from Ford. Notice the Unions are playing hardball a little with GM & Chrysler all the sudden.

GM has 6 retirees for every worker to fund, Ford only has three. Ford may see an opportunity to get a far bigger piece of the pie once the dust clears. They can sit on the sidelines for awhile and watch.

It's kind of interesting to watch from an outside perspective, except that thousands of good people are being hurt every day.

[RoBoTeq]

Quote removed--ARPC
:rolleyes:Who ever said I couldn't get into a union? I turned down two oportunities to go union, both times with family members who would have put me in a cushy spot with their union. Nope, not going union was my decision in life.

Then again, with the tide "changing" with our new president, I just may look into taking an union organizing position soon:cool:

Hey! I have always said that I have nothing against any American worker going for the deal that is best for his or her income.;)

[fogshat]

I don't go around asking people how much they make, but there has to be a minimum wage or all we would have are sweat shops with little brown people in them and of course ran by republicans.

Oh now thats opening a whole other can of worms (regarding immigrations impact on the economy).

I don't know about you, but I've done service work in an awful lot of places that fit that billing (its like walking into another country), but for minimum wage, which coincidentally coincides with poverty level earnings.

it has nothing to do with minimum wage. Come from another country with a lower standard of living, and you'll work like a dog for a lot less than the natives.

[whec720]

Mike's got a problem with big business, while he gives big government a pass. Business can not be trusted with setting an honest wage, but government can. All the crappy Democrat talking points in the world can not get around this inconsistency. Liberals are a stubborn breed.

[mikethe ductman]

Mike's got a problem with big business, while he gives big government a pass. Business can not be trusted with setting an honest wage, but government can. All the crappy Democrat talking points in the world can not get around this inconsistency. Liberals are a stubborn breed.

Let me tell you some thing whec, 23 years ago I moved from Ohio to Ga., the good old boys did every thing but roofing and concrete work the boys from down south did that, now the boys from down south are taking over all the trades, and do you know why?


I have a strange feeling that you are clueless so here goes, the sorry ass builders"you can bet you ass that they are republicans" want the job done as cheap as possible, so how does hvac contractor get the job, by cutting a few hundred bucks off the price of labor by paying some one what he can, instead of what they are worth, I have seen the boys from the south get paid less then, well you might know that one.

BTW do you think that the home owner, builder or hvac contractor gives a crap, I will cover you on this one. No because they get more bang for their buck.

So now convince me that if given the chance that taco, dee's and wally world won't do the same thing.

If you would wait just a few so I can put my boots on. thanks

[glennac]

Let me tell you some thing whec, 23 years ago I moved from Ohio to Ga., the good old boys did every thing but roofing and concrete work the boys from down south did that, now the boys from down south are taking over all the trades, and do you know why?


I have a strange feeling that you are clueless so here goes, the sorry ass builders"you can bet you ass that they are republicans" want the job done as cheap as possible, so how does hvac contractor get the job, by cutting a few hundred bucks off the price of labor by paying some one what he can, instead of what they are worth, I have seen the boys from the south get paid less then, well you might know that one.

BTW do you think that the home owner, builder or hvac contractor gives a crap, I will cover you on this one. No because they get more bang for their buck.

So now convince me that if given the chance that taco, dee's and wally world won't do the same thing.

If you would wait just a few so I can put my boots on. thanks

It's a shame that after 23 years you haven't learned something. Must have brainwashed you real good up in Yankee land there Mike.:)

[k-fridge]

so how does hvac contractor get the job, by cutting a few hundred bucks off the price of labor by paying some one what he can, instead of what they are worth, I have seen the boys from the south get paid less then, well you might know that one.
No Mike, that's how the low end HVAC contractors get the job. Some of us sell ourselves as professionals, and charge accordingly. Let the other guys have the budget work.

BTW do you think that the home owner, builder or hvac contractor gives a crap, I will cover you on this one. No because they get more bang for their buck.
The builders are notorious for not paying enough to do things right. But, they're sitting on their butts right now anyway. There's plenty of homeowners who are willing to pay for premium equipment and high quality workmanship, I know this from experience. But...you have to sell yourself as an experienced professional, setting yourself apart from the competition.


So now convince me that if given the chance that taco, dee's and wally world won't do the same thing.


Well, I service two out of the three, and we certainly aren't cheap. Yeah, you have the customers who want to pay hack fees; I tell them to find someone else. They usually end up calling me back to fix the other guy's mess.

Moral of the story...don't play their games. Sell yourself as a professional--charge accordingly--and deliver what you promised.

I am K_dude and I approve of this message. :D

[Richard Kletty]

Is Mike a contractor? Wow!

Im not getting a boatload of jobs. Especially right now with the weather. But... I make really good money on every job I get.

I dont have to pay some good ole boys to do the job. I do it myself. Thats whats up!

[mikethe ductman]

No Mike, that's how the low end HVAC contractors get the job. Some of us sell ourselves as professionals, and charge accordingly. Let the other guys have the budget work.

The builders are notorious for not paying enough to do things right. But, they're sitting on their butts right now anyway. There's plenty of homeowners who are willing to pay for premium equipment and high quality workmanship, I know this from experience. But...you have to sell yourself as an experienced professional, setting yourself apart from the competition.


Well, I service two out of the three, and we certainly aren't cheap. Yeah, you have the customers who want to pay hack fees; I tell them to find someone else. They usually end up calling me back to fix the other guy's mess.

Moral of the story...don't play their games. Sell yourself as a professional--charge accordingly--and deliver what you promised.

I am K_dude and I approve of this message. :D

Once again I throw you boys a under handed pitch and what do you do?

Strike out!!!!!!!!!!


ITE NOT ABOUT ME YOU $%#^#&^%$*$

Ita about if given a chance would some one pay you what you are worth or what they can?

I can see why John Stossel has to use a cartoon to make a point now.

[k-fridge]

Once again I throw you boys a under handed pitch and what do you do?

Strike out!!!!!!!!!!


ITE NOT ABOUT ME YOU $%#^#&^%$*$

Ita about if given a chance would some one pay you what you are worth or what they can?

I can see why John Stossel has to use a cartoon to make a point now.

No one can afford to pay me what I'm worth. :D:cool:

[RoBoTeq]

Let me tell you some thing whec, 23 years ago I moved from Ohio to Ga., the good old boys did every thing but roofing and concrete work the boys from down south did that, now the boys from down south are taking over all the trades, and do you know why?


I have a strange feeling that you are clueless so here goes, the sorry ass builders"you can bet you ass that they are republicans" want the job done as cheap as possible, so how does hvac contractor get the job, by cutting a few hundred bucks off the price of labor by paying some one what he can, instead of what they are worth, I have seen the boys from the south get paid less then, well you might know that one.

BTW do you think that the home owner, builder or hvac contractor gives a crap, I will cover you on this one. No because they get more bang for their buck.

So now convince me that if given the chance that taco, dee's and wally world won't do the same thing.

If you would wait just a few so I can put my boots on. thanks
Wow! I had no idea just how clueless you really are. You have a nice little pidgeon hole for idea in your pea picking little brain, don'tcha mikey?

You are of course correct mikey; people of your caliper really should be taken care of by the government:rolleyes:

[mikethe ductman]

Wow! I had no idea just how clueless you really are. You have a nice little pidgeon hole for idea in your pea picking little brain, don'tcha mikey?

You are of course correct mikey; people of your caliper really should be taken care of by the government:rolleyes:

Thats all you got,Thats peging out the lame meter.robin

[RoBoTeq]

Thats all you got,Thats peging out the lame meter.robin
:DYea, I had a feeling you wouldn't understand what I was typing:rolleyes:

[glennac]

com'on now robo trying to get some pointers from ace there.:D:) Sorry just having a little fun there carry on.:)

[mrs reb77]

Once again I throw you boys a under handed pitch and what do you do?

Strike out!!!!!!!!!!


ITE NOT ABOUT ME YOU $%#^#&^%$*$

Ita about if given a chance would some one pay you what you are worth or what they can?

I can see why John Stossel has to use a cartoon to make a point now.

So, what is
ITE
and what is
Ita
since you've appointed yourself the punctuation and grammar police?

And, besides just those two 'little' things, you must have known so much
at the tender young age of, what 20? 21? when you moved to GA.

That whole diatribe was just amazing. I'm praying for you that you find a place with a job that you like where no one will take advantage of you and you can feel....loved. ;)

[mrs reb77]

:DYea, I had a feeling you wouldn't understand what I was typing:rolleyes:

What with the whole making fun of other people's punctuation and grammar I just find it hard to read any of what was posted back to you robo! When we raise that bar, we really should think of what we're doing, don't you think? ;)

(We are now reminded of a teacher we once had that reminded all of her students about being holier than thou when pointing out mistakes of others...:p)

[glennac]

So, what is
and what is
since you've appointed yourself the punctuation and grammar police?

And, besides just those two 'little' things, you must have known so much
at the tender young age of, what 20? 21? when you moved to GA.

That whole diatribe was just amazing. I'm praying for you that you find a place with a job that you like where no one will take advantage of you and you can feel....loved. ;)

I think Mike can't compet with us Southern boys and needs a union type job where you aren't graded on production and being nice. Likes the rude Yankee ways.:)

[RoBoTeq]

Once again I throw you boys a under handed pitch and what do you do?


Hmmm, so you throw like you post eh? Like a little girl:p

[RoBoTeq]

What with the whole making fun of other people's punctuation and grammar I just find it hard to read any of what was posted back to you robo! When we raise that bar, we really should think of what we're doing, don't you think? ;)

(We are now reminded of a teacher we once had that reminded all of her students about being holier than thou when pointing out mistakes of others...:p)
Right now some of these guys keep tripping over the bar. If we raise it any higher they will just be walking into it.

[mikethe ductman]

So, what is
and what is
since you've appointed yourself the punctuation and grammar police?

And, besides just those two 'little' things, you must have known so much
at the tender young age of, what 20? 21? when you moved to GA.

That whole diatribe was just amazing. I'm praying for you that you find a place with a job that you like where no one will take advantage of you and you can feel....loved. ;)

so my aim at the "s" is little off so dhoot me.

And once again its not about me.

[mikethe ductman]

Hmmm, so you throw like you post eh? Like a little girl:p

You know us liberals we're all about fair,so when I play with slow people I have to go easy on them.

[mikethe ductman]

I think Mike can't compet with us Southern boys and needs a union type job where you aren't graded on production and being nice. Likes the rude Yankee ways.:)

That pretty much says it all right there.

[frostman]

I think Mike can't compet with us Southern boys and needs a union type job where you aren't graded on production and being nice. Likes the rude Yankee ways.:)

Competing with you southern boys isn't to hard. Just work for half the wages we're use to getting here, learn how to speak with a slow drawl, and marry a cousin. There's a reason so many jobs are going south..CHEAP LABOR. You guys will do a job for a fraction of what someone up here gets paid to do it. Where is most of the skilled labor in the south coming from? The NORTH. Now pass the pipe, because you're high on something.

[mrs reb77]

I'm thinking that labor in our area isn't as much as "The North" either but, costs of living has a lot to do with that. It's a lot cheaper to live well here than near the largest cities and industrialized areas. Or California! :D

[frostman]

I'm thinking that labor in our area isn't as much as "The North" either but, costs of living has a lot to do with that. It's a lot cheaper to live well here than near the largest cities and industrialized areas. Or California! :D

Our cost of living wouldn't be bad here if it wasn't for our damn high property taxes.

[glennac]

Our cost of living wouldn't be bad here if it wasn't for our damn high property taxes.

Now guess why your property are so high? Try to many folks living off of to much welfare for to long and I am not talking about the recent layoffs either. Hint big city and state government ran by and for the Democratic welfare class is taxing the heck out of everyone else. I guess it's just you for now frostman.:)

[frostman]

Now guess why your property are so high? Try to many folks living off of to much welfare for to long and I am not talking about the recent layoffs either. Hint big city and state government ran by and for the Democratic welfare class is taxing the heck out of everyone else. I guess it's just you for now frostman.:)

Well, your argument would make sense if you had anything resembling a clue. Wisconsin actually doesn't have a lot of people on "welfare" compared to a lot of other states around us. Our property taxes have always been high here. Do you think no Republican voters are on welfare? Are none of those white hicks in the southern states with the confederate flag covering the hole in the back window of their pickups on welfare? Welfare isn't just for black commie socialist democrats in the blue states. Plenty of your kind are on it as well.

[mrs reb77]

What do your property taxes go to? Ours don't seem extremely high (as opposed to paying nothing which is what we'd all rather!) but then again our Schools are aging, our roads are as well, lots of bucks went to flood control this last year, then there was the ice storm the winter before that...all these things as well as our Ambulance district, Fire Protection district, Public Library, Police depts (town and county) etc. so at least we see on a day to day basis what a good chunk of our money goes to. Then there's the agencies that are funded by tax dollars that help 'the needy'. There's been a bit of scandal lately out of some of them...seems there were a couple of 'kick back' schemes going on...

[frostman]

What do your property taxes go to? Ours don't seem extremely high (as opposed to paying nothing which is what we'd all rather!) but then again our Schools are aging, our roads are as well, lots of bucks went to flood control this last year, then there was the ice storm the winter before that...all these things as well as our Ambulance district, Fire Protection district, Public Library, Police depts (town and county) etc. so at least we see on a day to day basis what a good chunk of our money goes to. Then there's the agencies that are funded by tax dollars that help 'the needy'. There's been a bit of scandal lately out of some of them...seems there were a couple of 'kick back' schemes going on...

Schools. That's where ours go. Not sure exactly what the schools do with it. And our fire departments and EMT crews get a good chunk of money from the state I guess.

[mrs reb77]

All of our property taxes are accounted for both the city, county and state. It's published each year--county is done monthly and city quarterly. Just a simple how much in, how much out and how much not collected.

Then, the city publishes the names of people that didn't pay their taxes...and the citizens then shame all their neighbors into making good!

[whec720]

Like all taxes in NYS, school taxes are out of control. Mine go for about three grand, right now...JUST SCHOOL TAXES!:eek:

Just got my reassessment in the mail too. That went up as well....BFS...:rolleyes:

I'm thinking of not making my mortgage payments, so I can get my interest rate lowered.:D

Who knows, I just might think about sending a couple payments once in a while. Might as well lower em' and suck off the public tete.:p

[mrs reb77]

That is total bullkaka! And do you have any better schools?

One thing I want to know about the recently announced mortgage 'rescue'. Do the people that have their taxes paid through their mortgage get this 'help' as well? Are people that have that option not paying their property taxes if they haven't been paying their mortgage payment?

Hmmm. Inquiring minds want to know!