The FLUKE cult

[KLEINman]

It have realized that a lot of people on this site love fluke,

So what is your favorite fluke meter?

Your fisrt fluke?

How big is your collection?



My favorite is my 52-2, very accurate, fast and a good quality meter

My first was the 322 clamp meter

And so far i got three meters, and many more to come.:D

[beachtech]

It have realized that a lot of people on this site love fluke,

So what is your favorite fluke meter? don't have one

Your fisrt fluke?hasn't happened yet, prolly won't

How big is your collection?well, that's kinda personnel there...



My favorite is my 52-2, very accurate, fast and a good quality meter i agree with this statement

My first was the 322 clamp meter well if that's what she want's you to call her :D

And so far i got three meters, and many more to come.:D

i will buy the 52-2 :p maybe :D

[KLEINman]

i will buy the 52-2 :p maybe :D


Its worth it, trust me on this one.:D

[tarheel_tech]

It have realized that a lot of people on this site love fluke,

So what is your favorite fluke meter?- Not sure prob my 16

Your fisrt fluke? -30 got it when I was a startup tech

How big is your collection?-8 meters



My favorite is my 52-2, very accurate, fast and a good quality meter-agreed

My first was the 322 clamp meter-good starter meter

And so far i got three meters, and many more to come.:D

You screen name should have been Fluke man instead of Klienman:p:D

[KLEINman]

You screen name should have been Fluke man instead of Klienman:p:D

Lol, im just a billboard lmao, nah im just bored and got nuttin else to do, i will never change KLEINman, they were my first tools lol.
I didnt even really like fluke before i came here.

[ascj]

I love my 87-5. Also own a 52-2. But that 87-5 is used 20 times more.

[KLEINman]

I love my 87-5. Also own a 52-2. But that 87-5 is used 20 times more.

So how do you like that 87-5?? Im thinkin about purchasing one, it does milli amps and micro apms correct? Any info appreciated.:)

[BobbyBJr]

I think my first Fluke was either my 52-2 or 16, can't remember which came first, but both have been with me a long time. I have a 902 and a 87 III along with an assortment of cases and attachments.

[joey791]

So what is your favorite fluke meter?
Your first fluke?

These 2 questions have the same answer, the Fluke 8060A
http://www.teknetelectronics.com/Search.asp?p_ID=85&pDo=DETAIL

I worked in an instrument repair shop out of high school doing instrumentation for a year before starting HVAC and the 8060A was our bench meters.

How big is your collection?

I have seven, the DMM, Clamp on Amp meter, Laser thermometer given to us by the shop and I bought the following

Fluke 771
http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+771.htm?catalog_name=FlukeUnitedStates&category=LOOPCAL(FlukeProducts)

Fluke 922 Kit
http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+922.htm

Fluke Volt Pen
http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+1ACII+VoltAlert.htm?catalog_name=FlukeUnited States

Pro3000 Analog Tone and Probe Kit (comes with pouch)
https://www.tselectronic.com/harris/pro2000.html?tse_Session=17d9b2967e44896df39e40bb0 d5fb5c8

[270wsm]

So how do you like that 87-5?? Im thinkin about purchasing one, it does milli amps and micro apms correct? Any info appreciated.:)

The 87-V is great. Buy one, you won't be dissapointed.

I have an old 16, 87-V, 335, 52-2 and volt stick.

[allstar08]

I just realized I don't keep track of the model numbers like the rest of the cult.
I have a few, the 87III which I love, I have a clamp on that does volts, amps and ohms newer model. I have that huge temp gun with a t-couple hook up, then there is the dual temp meter with clamps and probes, what else... I have an older brown brick I think it is like an 83? Then of course the co meter with the readout. I like the 87III the most it does so much and is very accurate.

[Profiler]

ive got 52-2, 971, 117 and 322. next is 922 :)

[jpsmith1cm]

I have 2 52-2 (old style) with plenty of accessories, the HVAC "specialty" clamp meter, a 322, a 971 (psychrometer), and a volt stick.

Forgive me if I get a few models wrpng, I don't care what # is on the instrument, just what it does.

[joey791]

So what is your favorite fluke meter?
Your first fluke?

These 2 questions have the same answer, the Fluke 8060A
http://www.teknetelectronics.com/Search.asp?p_ID=85&pDo=DETAIL

I worked in an instrument repair shop out of high school doing instrumentation for a year before starting HVAC and the 8060A was our bench meters.

How big is your collection?

I have seven, the DMM, Clamp on Amp meter, Laser thermometer given to us by the shop and I bought the following

Fluke 771
http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+771.htm?catalog_name=FlukeUnitedStates&category=LOOPCAL(FlukeProducts)

Fluke 922 Kit
http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+922.htm

Fluke Volt Pen
http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+1ACII+VoltAlert.htm?catalog_name=FlukeUnited States

Pro3000 Analog Tone and Probe Kit (comes with pouch)
https://www.tselectronic.com/harris/pro2000.html?tse_Session=17d9b2967e44896df39e40bb0 d5fb5c8


Allstar reminded me, I have eight, the shop also supplies us with one of their thermocouple meters.

[fcs]

Fluke 52-2 does a great job

[emcoasthvacr]

I'm still pissed that Fluke's top of the line clamp meter is made in China.

Still have my 25 year old Fluke 87 that still works except for the capacitor checker (still works on 5 mf for fans).

You have to have confidence in your tools -- Fluke gives you that.

[itsiceman]

I have one Fluke (52) Great Unit

Haven't used it in a while and took it out of my pac for good :cool:

[coolperfect]

I have an 87,116 and a 289 a 52 and a 54-2 a 568 infered.a 322 two older 33 clamps which are better then the 322 an I410 clanp which plugs into a multimeter also just got the distance meter

[bdivell]

I have the 322,902,971,52-2,62,t5 1000,116,lvd1,lvd2 plus accesories

[Glenn Harrison]

My first Fluke was the 52 thermometer, shortly followed by the 87 multimeter, and 33 amp clamp (17 years ago). I then got the 12 (right before the 16 cameout). Several years later I upgraded to the 89-IV, the 54-IV, and the 337 clamp. I've also got the 65 Infrared thermometer, 1520 Megohm Meter, a couple of the volt sticks, and just recently got the 902 multi clamp. Also numerous Fluke probes, accesories, soft cases, and the yellow tool box.

Need to get the 971, and am considering the 289.

By the way, I still have all my original meters, and they still work fine.:D

[DesMech]

Allstar reminded me, I have eight, the shop also supplies us with one of their thermocouple meters.

How do you like the 922? What do you use it for? I was going to get a TSI micromanometer, but the Fluke seems somewhat comparable and cheaper. Wow, how often can you say the Fluke is the cheaper meter?!

[Vortech]

I would be lost without my Fluke 789, its a must have for DDC techs
also have a fluke 289

-V-

[troywoodall]

I'm a beginer and I'm currently using a 902 for all around use. It's serving it's purpose for now, but I'm sure once I get going I'll probably get a more elaborate meter.

[Pascone10]

i have the 902, 179, I410 clamp, volt pen for now.....

more to come eventually lol

[Dchappa21]

I have had the Fluke 179 for about 7 years awesome meter.
Also have the 322 amp clamp and the fluke hot stick.

[kah1010]

I'm still pissed that Fluke's top of the line clamp meter is made in China.


I do not know what you are referring to by "top of the line Fluke", but my 87-V says proudly on the back "made in USA".

However, my i410 clamp appears to be "made in Thailand"...:confused:

[merlin73]

I do have to say that Fluke is a great tool, but also on the expensive side as well,

[KLEINman]

I love my 87-5. Also own a 52-2. But that 87-5 is used 20 times more.

Well i just recently ordered my new 87-5, what do you use it for mostly? I wanna use it for my main troubleshooting meter. I cant wait to get it :D

[artman934]

after using a fieldpiece hs36 for a few months, ive had a permanent erection for fluke for a while

my collection includes

87-V(my backup)
1587(my main weapon)
568 inafred (can get the body temp of a fly with this thing, ok maybe not..)
73-III(i keep it home incase i need it here)
ts-600 (loaned to a friend til he gets some time in the trade)

and of course the i400 amp clamps (2), leads and other what have you

keep and eye on ebay, the only one i bought used was the 73III, everything else new in box, much less than sticker price. all from sellers with great reputations.

[thump_rrr]

Well i just recently ordered my new 87-5, what do you use it for mostly? I wanna use it for my main troubleshooting meter. I cant wait to get it :D
My next meter will be a 1587 which has the built in meggger.

[thump_rrr]

Here is most of my Fluke arsenal.

Both my Fluke 88 and 52 are 20 years old.
The remaining meters are a 36, 16, and a 322.
The accesories include an 800i, 80-TK, 1AC, and 1LAC

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Thump_rrr/DSCN0455.jpg?t=1233546855

[joey791]

Thump how do you like the hard cases compared to the soft for your meters?

[KLEINman]

Thump how do you like the hard cases compared to the soft for your meters?

Omg, I forgot this thread existed :eek2:

[ACFIXR]

Here is most of my Fluke arsenal.

Both my Fluke 88 and 52 are 20 years old.
The remaining meters are a 36, 16, and a 322.
The accesories include an 800i, 80-TK, 1AC, and 1LAC

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Thump_rrr/DSCN0455.jpg?t=1233546855


Wow, i am impressed that you still have all the original hard cases!

[thump_rrr]

The hard cases are mostly used to store and transport meters when they aren't in my Veto.

I prefer purchasing tools with hard cases whenever possible.

[ptemko]

Here are some of my Fluke toys. I mean tools :yes:http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6771/img00049u.jpg

[monkeyspanners]

I got myself a fluke 12 when i started out, must have lasted a good 14 years till the capacitor test stopped working on it which is what i used most, i have a volt stick which comes in handy for testing feeds to solenoids on the auto washes on the milk tanks i work on, and my favourite t3 tester, i lent my first one to a sparky to check a generator with and the next time i used it it didn't work... Luckily i found one on ebay :)
I've had a couple of t100 testers but the plastic cracks on them :(

Oh, and i bought clamp meter that did temp and capacitors etc but the knob was broken on it, took it back to the wholesalers but am still waiting for a replacement...

[heavymetaldad]

My first meter was a Simpson 260 vom. Dropped it off a ladder and it sounded like a box of rice crispies.
Picked up a Fluke '27' that day, 22 years ago, and now I use 3 of them. Have (2) 52, an infrared, a clamp on, a 12(?). Have most of the assessories for the 27, clamp on, pressure/ vac. modules, temp sensing.
Have had the hard cases for the 27. Didn't like the short life. have soft cases for all.

[mark beiser]

One great thing about Fluke is that if you return an out of warranty or obsolete meter to them, directly, not through a supply house, you get fast service, and they call you with a quote before repairing it.

If they can't fix it, like when it is an obsolete model they don't have parts for, they offer you the current version of it at a price that is WAY WAAAAAY below retail.

I upgraded a 12 year old Fluke 52D to a Fluke 52II that way for $136, including shipping, a couple of years ago.

[hvaclover]

I'm still pissed that Fluke's top of the line clamp meter is made in China.
Still have my 25 year old Fluke 87 that still works except for the capacitor checker (still works on 5 mf for fans).

You have to have confidence in your tools -- Fluke gives you that.

I would buy an import from Europe or somewhere other in Asia except China.

Fluke charges American made prices on it's imports. For that kind of money they are charging they should be able to keep meter production in the US.

A while back I bought two diff Ideal meters made in Taiwan. One for just resi, a beater meter. Has all the functions of a Fluke 116 in a small pkg. Cost $30, rated class II for 600 volts. I have a larger Ideal meter that has more functions, like Hz measurement and a few other things that would be useful in commercial work. It cost $58 and does all the stuff a 116 van but has a Class III rating on 1000v. These meters are every way equal to Fluke and come with a three year over the counter exchange warranty.

Why buy Fluke and get ripped off on price when there are other meters just as good. Nobody owes Fluke any loyalty since the sent all or most of their production over seas.

[bdivell]

[QUOTE=bdivell;2264402]I have the 322,902,971,52-2,62,t5 1000,116,lvd1,lvd2 plus accesories[/QUOTE

My most recent pick up is the 87-IV and the I400 clamp and both my new ones say MADE IN USA

[corny]

The part of the case that is stamped "made in the usa" is probably made in the USA....or the stamp they use to make the impression is.....or it might be the mold that the part is made in.

Rest of the meter is probably designed built and tested by children in some third world hell hole who get 1.50 a week for pay and get 1 meal a day consisting of a bowl of moldy rice with a little raw rat meat thrown in once a month.

They are probably charged 2.00 a week for lunch.....

rat meat....... 1.50 a week.....stamp...mold......

think about it.

[hvaclover]

The part of the case that is stamped "made in the usa" is probably made in the USA....or the stamp they use to make the impression is.....or it might be the mold that the part is made in.

Rest of the meter is probably designed built and tested by children in some third world hell hole who get 1.50 a week for pay and get 1 meal a day consisting of a bowl of moldy rice with a little raw rat meat thrown in once a month.

They are probably charged 2.00 a week for lunch.....

rat meat....... 1.50 a week.....stamp...mold......

think about it.

i wouldn't go so far as to vilify Fluke to point of exploiting child labor, but Fluke didn't put "Made in China" label on the the meter housing of the 116 I bought and immediately returned. It was printed very inconspicuously on the packaging.
The meter had "Designed in USA" stamped on the meter.

I think this is a shameful practice that borders on consumer fraud and worst I think it shows Fluke has broken faith with it's customers.

I called customer service to complain about the misleading practice. I was assured that the 116 was mfg to the highest standards and Fluke had people on sit to oversee the quality.

I was further assured the the higher end meters will still be made in USA.


I don't know what Fluke meter that does all the stuff 116 does that's made here. I only do resi and I gotta assume that if there is a USA made Fluke with the functions of 116 the meter probably has too many extra functions to be useful to me. And I am sure the extra functions would probably cause the meter to cost too much just to do resi work.

[db7803]

My first was the 30 still use it.
I also have the 16, the 65 infrared thermometer, the 52 II thermometer with the80 pk-8 clamp on probe, and the 1ac-A II wiggie

[wgrr]

Pictured is some but not all the Fluke I currently have. Only the 179 has Made In USA molded into the plastic body. I bet if you tear into it you will find that the board and most of the components soldered onto the board are from other countries.

My 902 clamp meter had a piece of paper with Made In China printed on it that fell out when I put batteries in it for the first time. The soft cases have a made in China label sewn into the interior.

In general they seem to be well made. They do what they are designed to do. I did not have to pay for them. That makes them even better.

Fluke is only doing what other companies have done. It is astonishing to realize that through all the Trade agreements that the US government actually rewards companies with tax breaks to outsource jobs and manufacturing to other countries. Then when they import back into the US there is virtually no tariffs.

It is not less expensive to ship raw materials to China and have them return as finished goods. It is the tax breaks and lack of import tariffs that make it profitable. One glaring statistic points it out very clearly. In 1980 the USA was the largest importer of raw materials in the world amongst the major manufacturing countries and the largest exporter of finished goods. Flip that 180 degrees. That is where we are at today. /rant

[Pascone10]

Pictured is some but not all the Fluke I currently have. Only the 179 has Made In USA molded into the plastic body. I bet if you tear into it you will find that the board and most of the components soldered onto the board are from other countries.

My 902 clamp meter had a piece of paper with Made In China printed on it that fell out when I put batteries in it for the first time. The soft cases have a made in China label sewn into the interior.

In general they seem to be well made. They do what they are designed to do. I did not have to pay for them. That makes them even better.

Fluke is only doing what other companies have done. It is astonishing to realize that through all the Trade agreements that the US government actually rewards companies with tax breaks to outsource jobs and manufacturing to other countries. Then when they import back into the US there is virtually no tariffs.

It is not less expensive to ship raw materials to China and have them return as finished goods. It is the tax breaks and lack of import tariffs that make it profitable. One glaring statistic points it out very clearly. In 1980 the USA was the largest importer of raw materials in the world amongst the major manufacturing countries and the largest exporter of finished goods. Flip that 180 degrees. That is where we are at today. /rant

How do you like that megger? Thats not made in the USA??!! What mhat model is that?

[wgrr]

How do you like that megger? Thats not made in the USA??!! What mhat model is that?

It works great and is very well built. Molded into the case it has Fluke Corporation, below that where Made In USA usually is there is nothing. Below that is their web address. If it were made here I bet it would be on the case. The megger is a model 1503. I will post the other model #'s later.

[bdivell]

well you get what you pay for, a $130 meter is impossible to make in the USA due to the wages the line workers require the logistics and everything involved, think about it , if you want a true made in USA product pay for it and dont complain when u cheap out and get a made in china product, personally I dont think USA made products even mean they are better I have stopped buying Klein because there product is poor quality now , I have opted to buy german made tools , Knipex pliers , wera screwdrivers , whia , felo , bahco etc much better qualitiy and at the same cost of the garbage Klein is selling

[hvaclover]

well you get what you pay for, a $130 meter is impossible to make in the USA due to the wages the line workers require the logistics and everything involved, think about it , if you want a true made in USA product pay for it and dont complain when u cheap out and get a made in china product, personally I dont think USA made products even mean they are better I have stopped buying Klein because there product is poor quality now , I have opted to buy german made tools , Knipex pliers , wera screwdrivers , whia , felo , bahco etc much better qualitiy and at the same cost of the garbage Klein is selling

That's the whole point. Why should people buy Fluke at the high price (made in China) when they can buy so many other brands(other US meters brands) that are just as durable and safe to operate but cost less.

Fluke earned it's reputation but is now sitting on it's Laurels.


Just being made in the US does not guarantee better quality, I agree. But if I had a choice i would still buy the US brand. I don't like the idea of my money
going to potential enemy nation.


I know the last statement is out of place in this thread but I just thought it was important enough to mention.

[KLEINman]

well you get what you pay for, a $130 meter is impossible to make in the USA due to the wages the line workers require the logistics and everything involved, think about it , if you want a true made in USA product pay for it and dont complain when u cheap out and get a made in china product, personally I dont think USA made products even mean they are better I have stopped buying Klein because there product is poor quality now , I have opted to buy german made tools , Knipex pliers , wera screwdrivers , whia , felo , bahco etc much better qualitiy and at the same cost of the garbage Klein is selling

I can no longer be associated with you after that previous comment.....:cool:

[bdivell]

I can no longer be associated with you after that previous comment.....:cool:

I am just making a point the only Klein stuff I use now are their nut drivers, it is nothing personal man just my opinion

[KLEINman]

I am just making a point the only Klein stuff I use now are their nut drivers, it is nothing personal man just my opinion

I'm only kidding, I love klein, all of my hand tools are klein, actually I just got a klein service valve wrench, my dad was a lineman for 20 years, and his wrenches and pliers are the same quality that mine are today, I have nuttin against the german made tools. I like the knipex stuff, great quality, I just was brought up with klein tools so that's what I buy lol.

[bdivell]

:bsing:


I'm only kidding, I love klein, all of my hand tools are klein, actually I just got a klein service valve wrench, my dad was a lineman for 20 years, and his wrenches and pliers are the same quality that mine are today, I have nuttin against the german made tools. I like the knipex stuff, great quality, I just was brought up with klein tools so that's what I buy lol.

[KLEINman]

:bsing:

:cheers:..................but you still went down a peg or two :D

[bdivell]

:cheers:..................but you still went down a peg or two :D

dont worry I still drink MGD and PBR lol

[Russ57]

Wow! Reading these posts confronted me with how many Flukes I have (or had). I think I have a problem. I have other brands as well. I really like Tek and HP but can't afford them. Anyhow, best I can recall, and I'm sure there are/were more:

8060A
27
33
87
85III
189
80i-400
336
715

I want one of the scope meters but can't justify it to myself. Lugging an O-scope around is a pain and I'm afraid of damage.

[KLEINman]

I love my fluke stuff, i have a 902, 52-2, 87-5, 23, 62, 322, and plenty more to come. My 87-5and 23 both are made in america, and i personally can not find any diff between the china made meters and the USA made meters. Fluke stands behind their product, and im sure there is the same quality control in china as in USA.

[hvaclover]

I love my fluke stuff, i have a 902, 52-2, 87-5, 23, 62, 322, and plenty more to come. My 87-5and 23 both are made in america, and i personally can not find any diff between the china made meters and the USA made meters. Fluke stands behind their product, and im sure there is the same quality control in china as in USA.

You think Fluke is doing you a favor? They get to cut their overhead tremendously by the lower costs of operating in China and do not pass on the saving?

So here we are buying Flukes at made in USA prices and Fluke is raking in all the additional revenue from their low overseas overhead .

Where I come from that is called a rip-off.

When did we lose the indignity that was ingrained in the American spirit that caused us to thumb our nose at imports because we knew we could make it better and at the same time keep Americans working.

Back in the day we all wanted to buy only American products.

Now our mainstays of instruments are going overseas and nobody cares.

Ok, I know, globalization. But we have other American brand HVAC instruments produced in Taiwan every bit as good as Fluke for significantly less.

Fluke kept their prices high. Corp GREED pure and simple. They have good stuff but not good enough to demand the money they want.

I would like to point out Ideal products; they make meters as well as tools and wiring devices.

They went to Taiwan and dropped the prices of their products below what they charged when they made them state side.

Ideal has a small $38 for a catII 600V meter that does what the fluke 116 does. It's good for just normal trouble shooting.

If I need accuracy and tighter readings I have a $58 Ideal that does more then the 116.

I put them up against any fluke.-


Don't be deceived. Fluke's reputation for quality is being equalled if not surpassed by several new meter models.

Agilent is one of them.

[wgrr]

Who are the Made in the USA manufacturers I need to be buying meters and test equipment from and get the same or better quality as Fluke. I am not a Fluke cheerleader. I bought my first Fluke meter for HVAC/R in 2007. I have been doing HVAC/R since the analog meter days. Amprobe and Simpson come to mind.

Even if it is made in the USA I will bet that 90%, if not more of the components, are from other countries. The boards can be fully assembled in other countries. As long as some of the product components are made in the US they can brand it that way. It could be as simple as the molded yellow rubber shock protectors on most Flukes. They are probably snapped on by illegals.

I wish this country would slap manufacturing tariffs on imported goods equal to the profits made by corporations who outsource manufacturing. Let's see Fluke pass the expense on. They are already high almost to the point of being unaffordable as it is. The result of the tariffs would be a flood of manufacturing jobs coming back to this country. Tariffs on cheap Chinese tires saved thousands of American jobs. It worked for tires why not meters.

[wgrr]

You think Fluke is doing you a favor? They get to cut their overhead tremendously by the lower costs of operating in China and do not pass on the saving?

So here we are buying Flukes at made in USA prices and Fluke is raking in all the additional revenue from their low overseas overhead .

Where I come from that is called a rip-off.

When did we lose the indignity that was ingrained in the American spirit that caused us to thumb our nose at imports because we knew we could make it better and at the same time keep Americans working.

Back in the day we all wanted to buy only American products.

Now our mainstays of instruments are going overseas and nobody cares.

Ok, I know, globalization. But we have other American brand HVAC instruments produced in Taiwan every bit as good as Fluke for significantly less.

Fluke kept their prices high. Corp GREED pure and simple. They have good stuff but not good enough to demand the money they want.

I would like to point out Ideal products; they make meters as well as tools and wiring devices.

They went to Taiwan and dropped the prices of their products below what they charged when they made them state side.

Ideal has a small $38 for a catII 600V meter that does what the fluke 116 does. It's good for just normal trouble shooting.

If I need accuracy and tighter readings I have a $58 Ideal that does more then the 116.

I put them up against any fluke.-


Don't be deceived. Fluke's reputation for quality is being equalled if not surpassed by several new meter models.

Agilent is one of them.

I agree with a lot of what you have posted. I will say the build quality of the Fluke I have is excellent. I have used almost all other brands of meters. I had a Greenlee clamp on and a DMM that was great until it was stolen off a job site. Total cost was about $70 at Lowes.

When I did a lot of control work I needed a meter that could read microamps. I did not have a DMM that could measure microamps. I bought one at Harbor Frieght for $7 about five years ago after it was recommended at a NOVAR training class. I used it in rack houses for about three years. Still works fine today.

I would have never paid close to three grand for Fluke. My tools are supplied by my employer. I will take anything that is paid for by someone else. :yes:

[KLEINman]

You think Fluke is doing you a favor? They get to cut their overhead tremendously by the lower costs of operating in China and do not pass on the saving?

So here we are buying Flukes at made in USA prices and Fluke is raking in all the additional revenue from their low overseas overhead .

Where I come from that is called a rip-off.

When did we lose the indignity that was ingrained in the American spirit that caused us to thumb our nose at imports because we knew we could make it better and at the same time keep Americans working.

Back in the day we all wanted to buy only American products.

Now our mainstays of instruments are going overseas and nobody cares.

Ok, I know, globalization. But we have other American brand HVAC instruments produced in Taiwan every bit as good as Fluke for significantly less.

Fluke kept their prices high. Corp GREED pure and simple. They have good stuff but not good enough to demand the money they want.

I would like to point out Ideal products; they make meters as well as tools and wiring devices.

They went to Taiwan and dropped the prices of their products below what they charged when they made them state side.

Ideal has a small $38 for a catII 600V meter that does what the fluke 116 does. It's good for just normal trouble shooting.

If I need accuracy and tighter readings I have a $58 Ideal that does more then the 116.

I put them up against any fluke.-


Don't be deceived. Fluke's reputation for quality is being equalled if not surpassed by several new meter models.

Agilent is one of them.

Look i agree with buying USA made, almost every hand tool in my veto, which is made in china, is USA made by Klein. My fluke 87-5, made in USA, my inficon, made in USA etc. etc. I spend the money on fluke because i know the are tried and tested by many professionals in various trades. I too this day have not seen extech, or agilent on any jobsite, ive worked with our controls dept, commercial electricians, generator mechanics, electrical testing outfits, and a few other skilled trades. And what kind of meters have they had, what do ya know fluke. I have seen ideal on a few job sites, but i dont like the fact that they are not fused for your and the meters protection. Now granted, i know what you will say, you dont need the fuse if you use it properly, but S@#T happens. Im not knocking ideal, but do those meters have true rms? Look im not a salesman or spokesman or cheerleader if you will, i just like to own a quality product, i will buy USA made if i can, hence my fluke 87-5 which i carry and use every day. I support our troops and the working men and women in this country to the upmost degree, and will try and buy USA made products if possible, but i will go broke buying everything made USA and paying twice or three times as much as if it was made overseas. Sometimes you just cant win....:patriot:

[hvaclover]

Look i agree with buying USA made, almost every hand tool in my veto, which is made in china, is USA made by Klein. My fluke 87-5, made in USA, my inficon, made in USA etc. etc. I spend the money on fluke because i know the are tried and tested by many professionals in various trades. I too this day have not seen extech, or agilent on any jobsite, ive worked with our controls dept, commercial electricians, generator mechanics, electrical testing outfits, and a few other skilled trades. And what kind of meters have they had, what do ya know fluke. I have seen ideal on a few job sites, but i dont like the fact that they are not fused for your and the meters protection. Now granted, i know what you will say, you dont need the fuse if you use it properly, but S@#T happens. Im not knocking ideal, but do those meters have true rms? Look im not a salesman or spokesman or cheerleader if you will, i just like to own a quality product, i will buy USA made if i can, hence my fluke 87-5 which i carry and use every day. I support our troops and the working men and women in this country to the upmost degree, and will try and buy USA made products if possible, but i will go broke buying everything made USA and paying twice or three times as much as if it was made overseas. Sometimes you just cant win....:patriot:

The Ideal meter I have is fused bigtime against voltage. I found this out when I accidently left my meter in micro amps setting and checked a live circuit...OWTCH!!!!...I called I deal not to mooch a free fuse but to ask a question. They asked what the issue with my was and they sent me the fuse free of charge. Normally it would cost $6 for the fuse.

They took care of me and I will reward the good service by using their meters.

UEI is also good that way. I had a 259 and another older clamp meter with all the bells and whistles that were acting up. They warranteed both for me.

[heavymetaldad]

Just bought a Fluke 233. Says 'Made In USA' on the meter. Says 'Made In USA' on the box. Also states on the box "Printed In USA'. Now, the pouch to put it in says that 3rd world country in Asia.
Great meter by the way. The detachable face is real handy. Was farting around at the house, was real nice to watch sc or sh in the shade, away from the unit.
http://us.fluke.com/fluke/usen/Digital-Multimeters/Fluke-233.htm?PID=56054

[hvaclover]

Just bought a Fluke 233. Says 'Made In USA' on the meter. Says 'Made In USA' on the box. Also states on the box "Printed In USA'. Now, the pouch to put it in says that 3rd world country in Asia.
Great meter by the way. The detachable face is real handy. Was farting around at the house, was real nice to watch sc or sh in the shade, away from the unit.
http://us.fluke.com/fluke/usen/Digital-Multimeters/Fluke-233.htm?PID=56054

Yeah but it does not have DC?AC micro amps function.

How good is the thermometer? I have always been leery of non-dedicated temp testers cause they have all been inaccurate.

If it had micro amps for checking flame signal strength I would be all over it.

How much it set you back.?

BTW, how's the family doing?

[Some Dude]

My flukes all stay locked up in my tool box, i have better meters.
I never buy Klein anything, i would much rather be able to use my tools for awhile and the screwdrivers are waaayyyyy to soft. I will not buy them.

Real tools dont have a big name or look sexy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they just work..............if they are made in America thats even better.

[heavymetaldad]

Yeah but it does not have DC?AC micro amps function.

How good is the thermometer? I have always been leery of non-dedicated temp testers cause they have all been inaccurate.

If it had micro amps for checking flame signal strength I would be all over it.

How much it set you back.?

BTW, how's the family doing?

I'm not too worried about micro amps. Really don't have a need for getting into that, I have an old honeywell analog for that, and my Fluke 27's can also handle it.
Looking at the disc that came with the unit (by the way, 'Made In USA'),
states that in the 6A range resolution is 0.001, so that should cover it. Have 1 boiler room that I still take care of, will have to try it later in the week.
Price? I dunno, I used a po. Think it was arounds $260
The family, all is good, and as you can see, I'm still on the green side of the grass. Thanks for asking.
And how's your family doing?

[hvaclover]

I'm not too worried about micro amps. Really don't have a need for getting into that, I have an old honeywell analog for that, and my Fluke 27's can also handle it.
Looking at the disc that came with the unit (by the way, 'Made In USA'),
states that in the 6A range resolution is 0.001, so that should cover it. Have 1 boiler room that I still take care of, will have to try it later in the week.
Price? I dunno, I used a po. Think it was arounds $260
The family, all is good, and as you can see, I'm still on the green side of the grass. Thanks for asking.
And how's your family doing?

We are good too, thank you for asking and aswering my query.

[heavymetaldad]

My pleasure.
And it doesn't measure micro amps.

[climatechange]

Fluke 52-2 is the only Fluke I have. I picked up a Ideal clamp and MM.

[Tassajara]

My first fluke was a 79 with the adaptor to measure temp. I have currently 16,179,87,233,336,902(which i regret)125,1507,922

[fitter638nyc]

My Fluke 52-2,177,16,333,189 and my new Meg meter the 177 looks like hello but thats the one in my bag 50% and the 189 the other 50%

[david24]

My fluke 902 was awesome before i broke it and had to replace it with a field piece. there is no comparison between the two i ate my field piece unit. BTW do not trust the no contact voltage on the field piece if u have one TRUST ME.....

[Gib's Son]

Fluke 62, 12, 23, 77 and the little known Y8100.

[Ingersoll AC]

My fluke 902 was awesome before i broke it and had to replace it with a field piece. there is no comparison between the two i ate my field piece unit. BTW do not trust the no contact voltage on the field piece if u have one TRUST ME.....

Wow usually its the other way around, people that had a 902 that goto the FP love the new FP.....I know I do, as well as a tech buddy of mine. Hate the 902.

[Lambo]

I too joined the cult some years ago. My first digital was a Beckman. When it gave up the ghost, the new Flukes were the most comparable line available when considering price, feature and durability. I've had many models (27, 87, 89, 93, etc, and most available attachements. I had to have "True RMS" for working on frequency drives, accurate ma and mv for control work, and signal simulation to calibrate controls. The temperature attachments are good for spot checks, but for calibration I have dedicated "NIST" certified devices for both temp and hum.

My very first meter (which I still have) was the Simpson 260M. This was the advanced model, as indicated by the "M" where it stood for the "Mirror" behind the needle. It came in a fancy rolltop case too--LOL.

[david24]

Wow usually its the other way around, people that had a 902 that goto the FP love the new FP.....I know I do, as well as a tech buddy of mine. Hate the 902.

I hate how he field piece reads stupid #'s when there's no voltage. With my fluke either it read voltage or showed 0. Milli-volts on the 902 was so easy i still have no idea what the field piece is doing when I'm trying to read milli-volts

[Ingersoll AC]

Really because the 902 does not do mV, however it does do uA

As far as the info I had and my own testing it does not drop into mV its 0 - 600v only.

That was one of the bummers.

With the FP yes it does move around due to auto ranging because there is actually voltage in the air. Static ect. Once you are measuring it stops the locks in.

[william antley]

I started with a FLUKE 12 that I still have and use occasionally, a FLUKE 36 that was stolen, the FLUKE 16 I use most of the time and the FLUKE 336 I use as well. I also have the FLUKE 561 HVACPro IR thermometer and a FLUKE 1503 insulation tester, megger if you will.
I've used other meters by other manufacturers and I much prefer FLUKE over any other offering.

[westval]

Just picked up a 116 and a 322 a few months ago and really like both of them. But believe it or not, the old 700-6 auto ranging gets used the most. It's just too easy to turn it on and get a quick reading. Then use the 116 if need be.:.02:

Never did feel the same love for my Fieldpiece HS36.......:gah:

[Ingersoll AC]

J

Never did feel the same love for my Fieldpiece HS36.......:gah:

I turned out to be totally opposite. I loved my Fluke gear once upon a time and now love my HS36 way more.

I was bummed to find the 322 clamp had no backlight......something so small and trivial bugged me. LOL

[hvaclover]

Use the meter that meets your needs, not one that drains your wallet because it's got a certain name.
I have been all over electronics sites, You Tube. and other sites.

Fluke used to have the advantage on safety but that is no longer true.
There are several American names made in Taiwan and China that now equal or surpass the Fluke in safety and quality and customer service at half the price.

Seems like the other meter guys who went overseas took advantage of the less expensive labor to at least improve their products.

Fluke is just the same-o-same-o at higher price. Just seems hypocritical to me not to change and improve the product that much and still think people will keep
paying that higher dollar.

You need proof of this go into a Lowes and compare a Fluke 112 to the Ideal meter they sell for about $58. The Ideal is CatIII at 600v with resistance into kilo ohms, AC-DC voltage, DC-AC Amps, Capacitance, Diode with buzzer, and AC _DC micro-amps. The fluke has resistance and voltage for $112. The accuracy is on the Ideal is up there with $200 Flukes.

[y7turbo]

Just got the fluke 375 less then a month ago, its a good meter, I like it so far.

[westval]

I turned out to be totally opposite. I loved my Fluke gear once upon a time and now love my HS36 way more.

I was bummed to find the 322 clamp had no backlight......something so small and trivial bugged me. LOL

Ditto on the 322.......my biggest problem with my HS36 is that the heads fit a little loose. Makes it feel flimsy.

[hvaclover]

Ditto on the 322.......my biggest problem with my HS36 is that the heads fit a little loose. Makes it feel flimsy.

And do you think for the price you paid you should get flimsy??????

[hvaclover]

My Brothers and Sisters of the HVAC world, we who service the broken, fix the unrepairable ,

We are being gouged by an uncaring company that has your undeserved trust and adoration...and we are patsies-suckers for leting them pull the wool over our collective eyes.

When will we stand up and say too much is too much? Fluke has sent its majority of meters we use in HVAC to China where labor is cheaper. Yes, I know the Mantra "America wants cheaper products". But what are we getting from Fluke the every time we buy one from off shore? Deception is for starters.
I dare you to find on the housing of a recent Fluke purchase "Made In China"...It will say designed in USA..what you will find if you look hard enough at the the packaging in an in conspicuous space in small letters ismade in china.
. Fluke is charging more for their product since it went over seas.

Other American names have done the same but have used labor advantage to make the meters as safe if not more so than Fluke.
Ideal is just one that come to mind : For $58 you can buy a CATIII 600v meter with all the functions and more of a Fluke 116. And the Ideal is miles ahead in accuracy .

Fluke does not give a hoot about the buyers of their product, not like Field Piece, Testo, Digicool, UEI.

Fluke is making the the same old stuff with some minor changes but the other American names are ramping up to produce better and more durable products.
I blew a main fuse in my Ideal and they sent me a knew one no question asked.
When was the last time Fluke even made an appearance in our site to even acknowledge the faithful?

Next meter look at another American name. You will be surprised.

[westval]

And do you think for the price you paid you should get flimsy??????

HS36 is a Fieldpiece. Price was good as I bought it used. Flimsy head on my Fieldpiece is why I went to Fluke.

[ault51]

HS36 is a Fieldpiece. Price was good as I bought it used. Flimsy head on my Fieldpiece is why I went to Fluke.

If you are having trouble with your Fieldpiece, give us a call and we can take care of you. Sometimes the pieces that hold the leads tight into the terminals can wiggle a little loose after years of use and abuse. Doesn't change the accuracy, safety or performance. Since you bought it used, who knows what the guy did to it before you!

If you want, Give Travis or Russ a call at 714-634-1844 and we'll take care of you. We understand that you have a job to do and want you to be able to trust the HS36 to get the job done with you.

[snewman24]

So Clover...what got you started on this Anti-Fluke crusade?

Also, what Ideal meter are you comparing the Fluke 116 to for features & accuracy??

[westval]

If you are having trouble with your Fieldpiece, give us a call and we can take care of you. Sometimes the pieces that hold the leads tight into the terminals can wiggle a little loose after years of use and abuse. Doesn't change the accuracy, safety or performance. Since you bought it used, who knows what the guy did to it before you!

If you want, Give Travis or Russ a call at 714-634-1844 and we'll take care of you. We understand that you have a job to do and want you to be able to trust the HS36 to get the job done with you.

Now that's pretty cool! Company rep? Thanks for the info.

I have no reason to dislike the HS36 except it doesn't feel right. New to the HVAC industy but have spent a few years in pump motors and controls. Just used to the "old style" DMM's I guess.

Once again, I appreciate your help!

[ault51]

Now that's pretty cool! Company rep? Thanks for the info.

I have no reason to dislike the HS36 except it doesn't feel right. New to the HVAC industy but have spent a few years in pump motors and controls. Just used to the "old style" DMM's I guess.

Once again, I appreciate your help!

No problem man. i'm from HQ so if you ever have a question or need some help, feel free to contact me. This isn't the place for me to tell you about all the options other than the HS36 but if you're interested, give me a call.

Welcome to the industry! It's full of great people! Good luck in 2011!

[Rheem29]

im fairly new to the HVAC world but i have to say when shopping around Feildpeice looked to have a superior product. I am currently using a UEI Phoeinix DL379 get unit. My next gadget i want is a Feildpeice infrared thermometer but ive seen some going for like $179 when ive seen other top name units going for about $80. any advice?

[tyreman]

Biggest thing I find amusing is the amount of tools workers are "expected" to provide to get the privilidge of working for a company

Unbelievable... even we provided test meters, pipe wrenches and drills

By the time you deduct your tool purchases off your wages... its a thin dime for some people whether they admit to it or not.
Though I carefully exempt general hand tools you can buy those as mecahnics and should.

I can see it if you are a Contractor and its your show/ice rink but it amazes me all the tools I see alluded to bought drills,testers all types and assorted bric a brac.

[Ingersoll AC]

My Brothers and Sisters of the HVAC world, we who service the broken, fix the unrepairable ,

We are being gouged by an uncaring company that has your undeserved trust and adoration...and we are patsies-suckers for leting them pull the wool over our collective eyes.

When will we stand up and say too much is too much? Fluke has sent its majority of meters we use in HVAC to China where labor is cheaper. Yes, I know the Mantra "America wants cheaper products". But what are we getting from Fluke the every time we buy one from off shore? Deception is for starters.
I dare you to find on the housing of a recent Fluke purchase "Made In China"...It will say designed in USA..what you will find if you look hard enough at the the packaging in an in conspicuous space in small letters ismade in china.
. Fluke is charging more for their product since it went over seas.

Other American names have done the same but have used labor advantage to make the meters as safe if not more so than Fluke.
Ideal is just one that come to mind : For $58 you can buy a CATIII 600v meter with all the functions and more of a Fluke 116. And the Ideal is miles ahead in accuracy .

Fluke does not give a hoot about the buyers of their product, not like Field Piece, Testo, Digicool, UEI.

Fluke is making the the same old stuff with some minor changes but the other American names are ramping up to produce better and more durable products.
I blew a main fuse in my Ideal and they sent me a knew one no question asked.
When was the last time Fluke even made an appearance in our site to even acknowledge the faithful?

Next meter look at another American name. You will be surprised.



AMEN!!!

[Ingersoll AC]

Now that's pretty cool! Company rep? Thanks for the info.

I have no reason to dislike the HS36 except it doesn't feel right. New to the HVAC industy but have spent a few years in pump motors and controls. Just used to the "old style" DMM's I guess.

Once again, I appreciate your help!

Ya Russ shows up alot from FP and always great to deal with, even if its a general question.

Great people!

[Ingersoll AC]

im fairly new to the HVAC world but i have to say when shopping around Feildpeice looked to have a superior product. I am currently using a UEI Phoeinix DL379 get unit. My next gadget i want is a Feildpeice infrared thermometer but ive seen some going for like $179 when ive seen other top name units going for about $80. any advice?

Different models and companies have different levels of accuracy. eg. 8:1 vs 40:1

Basically a 8:1 will measure the same size area from 8ft away vs 40ft away.

Not sure which one you priced but think there 10:1 is around $89 retail.

[dreg]

Hey guys, been a long time lurker here. First time poster.
I have always used Fluke stuff. 87V, 16, 52II, and the "open" top meter for amp readings. Not sure what the # is on that.
I had some of my stuff swiped and looking to get a new clamp meter. I've been looking at their new 370 series, anyone had any experience with them?
Also been looking at the FP SC56... But one thing that I think would prove to be annoying, constant beeping when testing voltage, really? Why the hell do I want my meter to beep at me constantly if I'm trying to watch voltage.

Anyways, any input from anyone?

[Ingersoll AC]

Hey guys, been a long time lurker here. First time poster.
I have always used Fluke stuff. 87V, 16, 52II, and the "open" top meter for amp readings. Not sure what the # is on that.
I had some of my stuff swiped and looking to get a new clamp meter. I've been looking at their new 370 series, anyone had any experience with them?
Also been looking at the FP SC56... But one thing that I think would prove to be annoying, constant beeping when testing voltage, really? Why the hell do I want my meter to beep at me constantly if I'm trying to watch voltage.

Anyways, any input from anyone?

Its actually not to bad if its the same as my HS36 it beeps once every 3-4 secs. Much better then having a meter with a constant tone while measuring anything under 30ohms.....:) cough cough 902 cough. :)

[hvaclover]

So Clover...what got you started on this Anti-Fluke crusade?

Also, what Ideal meter are you comparing the Fluke 116 to for features & accuracy??

I Forgot the model number. If I don't post post it within the next with in days you have my permission to "blow up" my PM box or my email.

i am not anti Fluke I am just tired of seeing our jobs go over seas for because of the cheaper labor theses corporations say they must have to stay afloat when it's all said and done and no decrease or improvement in the product, in most cases Fluke has been the worst offender.

[dreg]

Its actually not to bad if its the same as my HS36 it beeps once every 3-4 secs. Much better then having a meter with a constant tone while measuring anything under 30ohms.....:) cough cough 902 cough. :)

Yeah, not sure why Fluke wouldn't have 2 modes, resistance + continuity. Looking at the 375/376, it seems like you can pick if you want the beeping or not. Not interested in the 902 at all.

I almost want to just buy both and compare... Who couldn't use 2 extra meters anyways.

[ault51]

Hey guys, been a long time lurker here. First time poster.
I have always used Fluke stuff. 87V, 16, 52II, and the "open" top meter for amp readings. Not sure what the # is on that.
I had some of my stuff swiped and looking to get a new clamp meter. I've been looking at their new 370 series, anyone had any experience with them?
Also been looking at the FP SC56... But one thing that I think would prove to be annoying, constant beeping when testing voltage, really? Why the hell do I want my meter to beep at me constantly if I'm trying to watch voltage.

Anyways, any input from anyone?

Just FYI We included the Hi Voltage LED and beeper for an added safety feature. The HI Voltage LED and beeper only activates when you hook into something over 30 volts. it doesn't activate on the other ranges such as OHMs or MFD. This is just an added reminder that you are working on a piece of equipment that can Hurt You!!

If you are working on something with high voltage, the beeper allows you to focus on your test points and not the meter. It is much safter to have both test leads in one hand instead of two hands. Using test leads like chop sticks requires a little extra concentration and focus on the test points. Once the beeper goes off, you know you have a good connection and you can look at the meter for the actual voltage reading if necessary.

[westval]

Yeah, not sure why Fluke wouldn't have 2 modes, resistance + continuity. Looking at the 375/376, it seems like you can pick if you want the beeping or not. Not interested in the 902 at all.

I almost want to just buy both and compare... Who couldn't use 2 extra meters anyways.

Fluke 116 does both. They even give you a nice picture of a beeper on the selector dial so slow people like me can figure it out......:LOL:

[dreg]

Fluke 116 does both. They even give you a nice picture of a beeper on the selector dial so slow people like me can figure it out......:LOL:

Like the 87V, don't beep unless I want you to. But yeah, the clearly marked buttons help. Hidden features are a bit of a pain.

[tyreman]

Home Depot is currently featuring the Ideal Multimeters, one model
I didn't write down the model but its does do micro amp etc is cat III and has temp as well with probe in the blister pak.
Its just under a 100 spot
2 year warranty.
I am certain it would get the job done and its not that bad pricewise thou Klein seem to have a few good deals to.

[Cagey57]

Ok, I had to look. I have 4 Flukes: 87 (90's vintage made in USA !), 32 (Thailand),52-2 (designed in USA, made in Not USA)115 (same as the 52-2).

I used a UEI DM-383 for 10-12 years trashed it when it read 574VAC on a 480 circuit. Verified with that USA 87. None of the supply houses here even carry UEI any more ( I will buy another in a New York second if I find one). Bought a FP, just didn't like the feel. Went to WWG and bought a 116, doesnt do 4-20mA very well swapped it for a 115. Like the feel not the price, pissed that it's not USA Made. (thanks for nuttin' guys)

Clover, I gotta say I am with you on this one. Will I buy another fluke ? An 87 probably, any of the others not likely. I will look for USA made first. If I can't find that I will buy "Off-Shore" made based on most features for lowest price and HONEST labeling. If it's made in China it better be labeled that way !!!

"Designed in USA", GMAFB ! I like the Flukes but I will not pay/buy them if they continue the mis-leading marketing BS .

[hvaclover]

A lot of posts on this board claim Fluke is is the safest meter on the market and therefore worth the extra money.

In the same post you'll read how UEI or anything non-Fluke instrument are cheap, unsafe.


Globalization has caught up with the meter business and there are an abundance of meters with CAT III and CAT IV for under a hundred bucks with
very high accuracy and fully featured.

People want cheap prices and that is why Wal-Mart is so sucessfull.

It was just a matter of time before it hit the meter industry..

[snewman24]

..........A lot of posts on this board claim Fluke is is the safest meter on the market and therefore worth the extra money.
In the same post you'll read how UEI or anything non-Fluke instrument are cheap, unsafe.
.

Well.............sometimes they're not too safe.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewyf9mzIfi0

[hvaclover]

Well.............sometimes they're not too safe.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewyf9mzIfi0

yeah, I have seen that video. That was a piece of crap to be sure.

but I don't know if you are saying that it is the norm for non-Fluke meters or not.

In the Video the pocket sized device he's reviewing is no better than a light blub with meter leads.

i have my GB pocket voltage sensor to do the same job the voltage tester in the meter does.

And i think most techs would use the GB type tester before they bought the tester in the video too.

[snewman24]

yeah, I have seen that video. That was a piece of crap to be sure.
but I don't know if you are saying that it is the norm for non-Fluke meters or not.............


No, I don't think all non-Fluke meters are unsafe. I've actually sat thru several hours of David Jones reviews on various DMMs. I find it very interesting. UEI actually does fairly well, usually better than Extech or Ideal. His reviews are based on actually testing them, not on what he thinks of a brand because he's a fanboy of Fluke, Extech, Ideal, UEI, etc. I wish he'd test Field Piece, as I'd like to know how they compare. Actually, as long as a meter is electrically safe, who cares what brand it is or how much it costs. I don't even think that accuracy (within reason) is all that important in HVAC.
Most of my meters are Fluke, but I bought them all on eBay for a fraction of retail. I wouldn't be caught dead paying full price for one.

The problem I have with the Anti-Fluke Crusaders is that they're (you're) disingenuous about what really pi$$es you off. Basically, it's because the lower-priced Flukes are still expensive but made in China now. It doesn't seem to make any difference that they ARE designed by Fluke and manufactured to their specifications. For you China = cheap. crappy meters regardless of who designs them, or what specifications they are built to.
So, you tell others not to buy Fluke meters (saw it on another board) even though they still make the more expensive lines in the U.S. Based on that, I highly recommend the Cen-Tech 7 function, 19 range DMM I "bought" at Harbor Freight the other day. I got it free with a coupon. It says Cat II on the front. I wouldn't trust MY life to it, but maybe you would since they're up front about it being made (and I assume, designed) in China and it's cheap.

[nickvan]

just picked up a 902 yesterday
couldnt be happier. been using a tpi clamp on that is brutal

[hvaclover]

I have never been in Harbor Freight or a Wal-Mart for that matter.

Yes, I have posted my resentment of Fluke sending jobs overseas.

And yes, I have posted my doubts that Chinese Flukes are made as well as the meters made here.

I do equate China with bad quality.

If you have been following the news there is always some report of some Chinese made child's toy or product being recalled.

Yes, I have posted that even though I was told by Fluke's customer service the 116 I purchased and all other Fluke products were made to Fluke's specs I did not believe it.(I returned the 116 as soon as i found out it was Chinese made)

But you are wrong when you say the cost of the meter is what I am truly angered over.

I posted that since Fluke sent many meters to be built in China to take advantage of the lower price of labor then they should pass some of the savings on to us, the buyers of their
products. Tells me that we lost jobs for nothing ...

If I can't find a US made meter that gives me all the functions of the 116 and some more, I will not buy a product that benefits an enemy of the USA.

The meters I own are Ideal. I have two of them. Both are CAT III.

They are made in Taiwan. Like i said, I won't give my money to an enemy of the US. Taiwan is an ally.

Yeah, i watched Davy Jones video's too. And I am not referring to the sixties rock group band member either.

[snewman24]

...............................
And yes, I have posted my doubts that Chinese Flukes are made as well as the meters made here.
I do equate China with bad quality. ..............................

Check out the EEV blog video on the Fluke 117 made in China for build quality:

http://www.eevblog.com/2010/02/08/eevblog-60-fluke-117-multimeter-review-and-teardown/

If you have been following the news there is always some report of some Chinese made child's toy or product being recalled.

Absolutely. If no one is paying attention, some Chinese businessmen will go to extremes to make more money even to the point of poisoning people & pets. That's where quality control monitoring is crucial. On the other hand, China makes some awesome stuff when it wants to.


Yes, I have posted that even though I was told by Fluke's customer service the 116 I purchased and all other Fluke products were made to Fluke's specs I did not believe it.(I returned the 116 as soon as i found out it was Chinese made)

So, it sounds like your opinion is strictly based on emotion instead of facts or unbiased investigation.

But you are wrong when you say the cost of the meter is what I am truly angered over.

I posted that since Fluke sent many meters to be built in China to take advantage of the lower price of labor then they should pass some of the savings on to us, the buyers of their
products. Tells me that we lost jobs for noting ...

If I can't find a US made meter that gives me all the functions of the 116 and some more, I will not buy a product that benefits an enemy of the USA.

The meters I own are Ideal. I have two of them. Both are CAT III.

They are made in Taiwan. Like i said, I won't give my money to an enemy of the US. Taiwan is an ally

OK, I understand, it's also political
.
SRN

[hvaclover]

SRN

LOL...cheery picking my words now huh?

I am not going to get in a flame war.

[snewman24]

LOL...cheery picking my words now huh?

I am not going to get in a flame war.

No cherry picking here - no flame wars. I was just trying to figure out where you were "coming from".

[hvaclover]

If a company is doing well here is it fair to the workers (I am not Unionist. Only pro-labor)...better yet...do you think it's good for this country ...to allow those jobs to go over seas?

Fluke is guilty of this.

[snewman24]

If a company is doing well here is it fair to the workers (I am not Unionist. Only pro-labor)...better yet...do you think it's good for this country ...to allow those jobs to go over seas?

Fluke is guilty of this.

No it's not fair.....Life is not fair. I'm sure your parents told you that when you were growing up. It's not fair that jobs are sent overseas, it's not fair that many people would rather pay $50 for a Chinese meter rather than spend $200 for an American meter, it's not fair than some people have much better jobs than others, it's not fair that some people get to keep their jobs and others lose theirs, etc., etc., etc. But the reality is that businesses have to survive, and that's hard for U.S. based manufacturers when they're competing against countries that have a cheap labor force that will work under almost slave-labor conditions, flooding the market with low cost goods,
using unfair currency policies, and putting up hurdles against American imports. Fluke, and other businesses have to do whatever it takes to compete and survive. Fluke is doing it by manufacturing the low-end meters in China to compete with the other low-end meters on the market, and keep some market share. You'll notice that they are still keeping the high-end stuff here. That tells me they're not greedy, just trying to survive.

If you want to blame somebody, blame our incompetent federal government for getting us into this mess over several decades by embracing free trade instead of fair trade.

[hvaclover]

Yeah I know life ain't fair.

But when a company is doing well here and turning a profit they are morally bound to stay here. Maybe not legally, but morally. Especially now with unemployment as it is.

If we just sit back and say nothing the trend will continue and that is not good for the country.

But back to the point; There are many American name meters made In taiwan that improved the saety and added more functions to their up.
Fluke no longer has the monoply on safety. Soif I can buy an American name like Ideal for 60 bucks and all the functions of a 116 and auto ranging and Min and Max and is more accurate than the 116 why should I pay 185 bucks
when the Ideal will do it all just as good and better than than the 116?

So what Fluke models do you consider a high end still made here that would not be over kill for resi?

Either your paying too much or I found a good deal.

[Ingersoll AC]

The problem I have with the Anti-Fluke Crusaders is that they're (you're) disingenuous about what really pi$$es you off. Basically, it's because the lower-priced Flukes are still expensive but made in China now.

Well you didn't read the whole thread then did you? Its not just that. How about ZERO parts support! How about crappy customer service and not to mention being told that to fix your 52-2 is about $20 less then buying a new one is BS

[tyreman]

Theres lots of good meters today
Enough for eveybodies personal preference
As long as the safety ratings are accurate and we all stay safe .....who cares?

In any case most meters once past their warranty unless a good extended warranty is present and honoured its usually cheaper to just go buy new.
Not always but usually.
Take any meter around 100-200 dollars with a 2 year waranty you use it for 3-4 years and you fudge it or it quits and you send it in with shipping etc.

[wptski]

Yeah I know life ain't fair.

But when a company is doing well here and turning a profit they are morally bound to stay here. Maybe not legally, but morally. Especially now with unemployment as it is.

If we just sit back and say nothing the trend will continue and that is not good for the country.

But back to the point; There are many American name meters made In taiwan that improved the saety and added more functions to their up.
Fluke no longer has the monoply on safety. Soif I can buy an American name like Ideal for 60 bucks and all the functions of a 116 and auto ranging and Min and Max and is more accurate than the 116 why should I pay 185 bucks
when the Ideal will do it all just as good and better than than the 116?

So what Fluke models do you consider a high end still made here that would not be over kill for resi?

Either your paying too much or I found a good deal.
What Ideal model are you refering to for $60?

[Home&Marine]

This is one of those threads where I'll write 2 paragraphs and then not post it. (Already, pages back.)

I like Flukes and I don't have any idea how many I own. I also own Hioki, Yokogawa, Square-D. My main meters are Fluke. I don't own any Fieldpieces because they look cheap to me. Most people Like what they Have.

Parts for a Fluke? You can by batteries anywhere. In 25 years, it's the only "Part" I ever replaced on mine.

hvaclover if you want to buy an Ideal, go for it. There's more that goes into a decision to buy a Meter other than functions and specs. ;)

Now lets talk about hammers. Want me to tell you why my Estwing hammer is better... Forget it, you wouldn't understand. You'd have to use it driving nails for a month to understand. (Really)

Whatever meter you have be careful and don't get Electrocuted. Your Life is Counting on it.

[heavymetaldad]

Thought I was the only one who had a Hioki. Picked it up in an emergency, never really like it. Digital combination clamp and vom. too slow to react and it's properity lead setup.
Just looked in the vault to get a m/n, seems I misplaced it.
This is going to drive me nuts till I find it

[Ingersoll AC]

I also have two Hioki's a dmm and a analog clamp meter.

[hvaclover]

This is one of those threads where I'll write 2 paragraphs and then not post it. (Already, pages back.)

I like Flukes and I don't have any idea how many I own. I also own Hioki, Yokogawa, Square-D. My main meters are Fluke. I don't own any Fieldpieces because they look cheap to me. Most people Like what they Have.

Parts for a Fluke? You can by batteries anywhere. In 25 years, it's the only "Part" I ever replaced on mine.

hvaclover if you want to buy an Ideal, go for it. There's more that goes into a decision to buy a Meter other than functions and specs. ;)

Now lets talk about hammers. Want me to tell you why my Estwing hammer is better... Forget it, you wouldn't understand. You'd have to use it driving nails for a month to understand. (Really)

Whatever meter you have be careful and don't get Electrocuted. Your Life is Counting on it.

that's exactly what i did do. No complaints. There is a German meter I saw on Dave Jones EEBlog ...Gosset or something.

[hvaclover]

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[hvaclover]

Gossen Metrawatt Xtra

You want a GOOD meter? This baby will set you back $500 and the the top of the line will cost $1500 bucks.

It's a German meter comparable to Fluke 87....the $1500 model is the fastest I have ever seen.

CAT IV at 600 and 1000 Volts.

Does every thing the 116 does plus measures ambient temp, data hold, HZ, filter and a dozen other things.

Damn ...I'm suffering from Meter Envy.

[Wendo]

Love my flukes don't know how to say it in a politically correct manner. I've got Amprobe, Greenlee, Simson, meters that I hardly ever use just go back to using the Flukes. Not hard to see they're a better built meter. If you're not going to use your meters too much the others will probably work but if your going to use them a lot and in rough environments, better get a Fluke!!:yes:

[hvaclover]

Love my flukes don't know how to say it in a politically correct manner. I've got Amprobe, Greenlee, Simson, meters that I hardly ever use just go back to using the Flukes. Not hard to see they're a better built meter. If you're not going to use your meters too much the others will probably work but if your going to use them a lot and in rough environments, better get a Fluke!!:yes:

That German meter blows the 87 away. Check out the EEV Blog on You tube and see for yourself.

The Gossen Metrawatt Xtra meter input solder connections are like rebarb, and the input over current protection resistors are much larger than Flukes.
This meter is the King Tiger Tank of the meter business.

[Ingersoll AC]

If you're not going to use your meters too much the others will probably work but if your going to use them a lot and in rough environments, better get a Fluke!!:yes:

LOL I have some dead Flukes here. That statement to me holds zero value.

[Wendo]

LOL I have some dead Flukes here. That statement to me holds zero value.

Maybe need to change batteries???? LOL I really don't care what kind of meter people use I'm just kinda prejudiced. Just like I'm partial to Milwaukee power tools.... but when I dropped my Milwaukee cordless impact off the 10' step ladder to the concrete slab below the other day and it kept on working without so much as a crack..........welllll what can I say?????

[hvaclover]

Maybe need to change batteries???? LOL I really don't care what kind of meter people use I'm just kinda prejudiced. Just like I'm partial to Milwaukee power tools.... but when I dropped my Milwaukee cordless impact off the 10' step ladder to the concrete slab below the other day and it kept on working without so much as a crack..........welllll what can I say?????

whazat gotta dowit meters?

[Wendo]

whazat gotta dowit meters?

If it stands up to abuse and works day in and day out, why switch?
What's wrong with that dude on the EEV blog? He looks like he's been
using nose candy or something? Don't know if I trust him. His eyes kinda look
like this :eek2:

[hvaclover]

If it stands up to abuse and works day in and day out, why switch?
What's wrong with that dude on the EEV blog? He looks like he's been
using nose candy or something? Don't know if I trust him. His eyes kinda look
like this :eek2:

Nothing wrong with him. That is just his no BS personality. "Take it or leave it', as he said to somebody posting a similar comment about him.

This guy went from just doing one video to vent on some subject to over 145 videos (his average video length is 15 minutes0.

inside a year and half he got major manuf asking to review their products and he takes no prisoners.

Despite his no BS reviews he has manufactures paying him advertising revenue.

i thought I knew a thing or two about meters..sshhaa..right....I am amazed
at what goes into the design of a good safe meter.

One thing I kinda knew but Dave Jones Blog really confirmed is that no one meter can be all things to all people. In other words no one meter can do it
all and doit perfectly.

He gives gives Fluke for being one of the best but not the best. The most informative fact he puts across is buy the meter that best serves your needs..you don't need a $300 CAT IV if you aren't working in the higher voltage.

That works for me.

[wptski]

The most informative fact he puts across is buy the meter that best serves your needs..you don't need a $300 CAT IV if you aren't working in the higher voltage.

That works for me.
Some may not agree with that and are willing to pay extra price for a bit of overprotection.

BTW: What's the Ideal model number for $60 that's more accurate than a Fluke 116 that you refer to above?

[hvaclover]

if your working on more than 460v than Cat IV is fine if you want.

For what i do...CAT III is more than enough.

You could also buy an intrinsically safe meter that does a little more than a 116

for right hundred bucks if you want real protection.

[hvaclover]

The meter is a 61 something...I forget ...Lowes sells it for sixty bucks.

Go to their site and you'll find the number. i don't feel like going to my truck right now.

Try this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_136122-12704-61-340_0__?productId=3127727&Ntt=ideal+multimeter&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dideal%2Bmultimeter&state=R#prod-tabs

[corny]

I also have two Hioki's a dmm and a analog clamp meter.

I have an older Hioki. Its a hi tester, not sure of the model number, 3256 or something along those lines, but its the multimeter that blocks off the test lead receptacles depending on what mode the meter is set to....

Ive never liked their amp clamps but I think they have some nice multimeters.

Id buy another...was thinking of it a while back....but I just dont need another meter.

[Wendo]

Nothing wrong with him. That is just his no BS personality. "Take it or leave it', as he said to somebody posting a similar comment about him.

This guy went from just doing one video to vent on some subject to over 145 videos (his average video length is 15 minutes0.

inside a year and half he got major manuf asking to review their products and he takes no prisoners.

Despite his no BS reviews he has manufactures paying him advertising revenue.

i thought I knew a thing or two about meters..sshhaa..right....I am amazed
at what goes into the design of a good safe meter.

One thing I kinda knew but Dave Jones Blog really confirmed is that no one meter can be all things to all people. In other words no one meter can do it
all and doit perfectly.

He gives gives Fluke for being one of the best but not the best. The most informative fact he puts across is buy the meter that best serves your needs..you don't need a $300 CAT IV if you aren't working in the higher voltage.

That works for me.

Ahh but suh clovah, Ah lak mah fluke meetahs! :eek2::eek2: Mah fluke meetah hass a nass yellah covah made of rubbah! Mah fluke meetah hass
a nice schwitch thaat schpins!!:eek2::eek2::eek2: Mah schcope meetah just hass bottons and a menu.....Crassssy meetah!!!:eek2::eek2::eek2:
:LOL:

[roadrunnerderek]

I like Fluke... you have to trust your equipment. Fluke 52 & 54, 971, 902 HVAC amp clamp multimeter, lots of accessories. My first was a Fluke 87. I also know have a 189. Nice meter. They last for years. Oh yea... and the laser thermometer too.

[hvaclover]

sounds like everybody was vaccinated with the same phonograph needle.:toetap:

[roadrunnerderek]

LOL. Yes I'm a little brainwashed. I did get a UEI electronic manometer so I am breaking the mold a little.

[Home&Marine]

LOL. Yes I'm a little brainwashed. I did get a UEI electronic manometer so I am breaking the mold a little.

As long as you feel good about "trusting your Life on it".

http://cdn1.newsone.com/files/2010/03/buck_wheat.jpeg

[tyreman]

Isn't one of those Gossen around $800 euro/$1000 bucks?

Thats a pretty limiting factor by ANYONE employed in this "trade"



a new/newer model? Link

http://www.gossenmetrawatt.com/english/seiten/keyplayer-metrahitenergyexceedsalllimits.htm

810 euros wowsers!

[Ingersoll AC]

As long as you feel good about "trusting your Life on it".

Wow didn't know Manometers can kill you, please do tell.

:payattention:

[tyreman]

I just have a yellow jacket water style manometer

[hvaclover]

Isn't one of those Gossen around $800 euro/$1000 bucks?

Thats a pretty limiting factor by ANYONE employed in this "trade"



a new/newer model? Link

http://www.gossenmetrawatt.com/english/seiten/keyplayer-metrahitenergyexceedsalllimits.htm

810 euros wowsers!

Now you have an idea how some of the forum membership feels about Fluke prices.

[Wendo]

LOL. Yes I'm a little brainwashed. I did get a UEI electronic manometer so I am breaking the mold a little.

Don't be too hard on yourself. I stepped out and bought a UEI temp guage. Not a bad meter but I bought a Fluke Laser after that!!!

[hvaclover]

Don't be too hard on yourself. I stepped out and bought a UEI temp guage. Not a bad meter but I bought a Fluke Laser after that!!!

TO ANY BODY WHO'LL HELP

I'm not really up to speed on IR thermometers. I have read articles and I know it's no good for reading LL and SL temps but I still don't them as maybe as well as I should?.

So I've got a CPS IR thermometer.

Paid a lot too. Is there any real technical diff between IRs?

Seems pretty routine technology for any mfgr to theirs is better.

Am i missing something or am I right.

[derb]

I bought a T5-600 for $80 at my boss's recommendation. Found it to be to limited a meter for anything but basic trouble shooting. Then I got my trusty Fieldpiece SC76. Was a great meter until the ohms auto ranging stopped working. Now it is my backup / temp meter. I bought my new flavor, the Fluke 902. Not good for accurate temp readings, but I trust its other functions. I used to use the Fluke volt stick with the light, but it isn't built with that same Fluke quality I expect, had to switch it out for a Greenlee. Still don't trust those things beyond letting me know there is power where I expect it. For safety, I always pull out my meter to see if it is safe for tools. That's what I liked about the Fieldpeice, NCV right there with my meter when I find something worth checking.

Nothing falls with more confidence than a Fluke. I seem to get a new meter ever year or two. Next is a DMM for controls work. I'd like one with inrush current, so maybe two this year. Then again I could use a megger, so three... at this rate I'm going to need a loan. Maybe I'll just go back to the SC76 and get used to hitting the range button.:eek2:

Dan

[wptski]

TO ANY BODY WHO'LL HELP

I'm not really up to speed on IR thermometers. I have read articles and I know it's no good for reading LL and SL temps but I still don't them as maybe as well as I should?.

So I've got a CPS IR thermometer.

Paid a lot too. Is there any real technical diff between IRs?

Seems pretty routine technology for any mfgr to theirs is better.

Am i missing something or am I right.
Here's a Fluke(your favorite company) application note on IR thermometer usage for HVAC: IR for HVAC (http://support.fluke.com/find-sales/Download/Asset/2634903_6250_ENG_B_W.PDF).

I'm just a HO but most if not all IR guns spot ratio is 8:1, 12:1, etc. meaning it 1" diameter at 12" or 8" distance. Is that too big of a area for your work? I'm not sure if that measuring area gets any smaller if you get closer than 8" or 12"?? I know it gets bigger at a greater distance.

I have a discontinued Fluke 80T-IR temperature probe to be used with a DMM and you can get as close as 2" for a 1/2" spot.

[Wendo]

TO ANY BODY WHO'LL HELP

I'm not really up to speed on IR thermometers. I have read articles and I know it's no good for reading LL and SL temps but I still don't them as maybe as well as I should?.

So I've got a CPS IR thermometer.

Paid a lot too. Is there any real technical diff between IRs?

Seems pretty routine technology for any mfgr to theirs is better.

Am i missing something or am I right.

The IR thermometer isn't the thing for SH or SC measurements. Something about the reflectivity of the copper line or something like that. What it does work good for is checking the temperature of liquids, motor end bells, register air temp, electrical switchgear, and the oil in my deep fryer!!:yes:

[hvaclover]

The IR thermometer isn't the thing for SH or SC measurements. Something about the reflectivity of the copper line or something like that. What it does work good for is checking the temperature of liquids, motor end bells, register air temp, electrical switchgear, and the oil in my deep fryer!!:yes:

Bout the only thing useful I find the IR I own is measuring the diff between the ceiling temp an the floor temp of a room.

I'm sure there are other things.

[roadrunnerderek]

Temperature lasers are great for getting a fast ballpark idea of what is or is not happening. I find my IF temperature laser useful for impressing customers when you first walk in the door. Shoot the ceiling supply and return air registers (even if it is 20 feet up) and see what the temperature is instantly. Show the customer. Sometimes they will think you really know your trade just by showing off a temperature laser. It is funny. After you fix the heat or cooling pull it out again and shoot that supply air register to "prove" to them that it is working again. It goes a long way to insure the customer knows everything is back to normal. Anyway the main difference between temperature lasers is the distance ratio (8:1, 10:1, 12:1, 30:1, 60:1). Basic lasers will measure most accurately at a distance of about 3 to 6 feet. More expensive ones measure up to 60 feet away. Accuracy depends on the emissivity of the object you are measuring, the distance to spot, and the manufacturer. Some will measure as low as -76 F to 1400 F.

[corny]

I have a 24 volt panel lamp with two alligator clip leads affixed to the spade connections on the lamp that I use quite a bit.

Its especially nice when you are working on something over here and need to see what is going on over there.

[Wendo]

I have a 24 volt panel lamp with two alligator clip leads affixed to the spade connections on the lamp that I use quite a bit.

Its especially nice when you are working on something over here and need to see what is going on over there.

Is it a Fluke????::DD:

[wptski]

The IR thermometer isn't the thing for SH or SC measurements. Something about the reflectivity of the copper line or something like that. What it does work good for is checking the temperature of liquids, motor end bells, register air temp, electrical switchgear, and the oil in my deep fryer!!:yes:
Just put some black electrician's tape on metal objects that shine.

[hvaclover]

Temperature lasers are great for getting a fast ballpark idea of what is or is not happening. I find my IF temperature laser useful for impressing customers when you first walk in the door. Shoot the ceiling supply and return air registers (even if it is 20 feet up) and see what the temperature is instantly. Show the customer. Sometimes they will think you really know your trade just by showing off a temperature laser. It is funny. After you fix the heat or cooling pull it out again and shoot that supply air register to "prove" to them that it is working again. It goes a long way to insure the customer knows everything is back to normal. Anyway the main difference between temperature lasers is the distance ratio (8:1, 10:1, 12:1, 30:1, 60:1). Basic lasers will measure most accurately at a distance of about 3 to 6 feet. More expensive ones measure up to 60 feet away. Accuracy depends on the emissivity of the object you are measuring, the distance to spot, and the manufacturer. Some will measure as low as -76 F to 1400 F.


gee anew guy who's helpful and courteous.:confused::confused::confused:

Thanks for that great input. You really put it in prospective.

[hvaclover]

A little gift for the Fluke diehards
http://digitalmultimetershop.com/2009/03/fluke-history/

[tyreman]

Look up this on wiki and scroll to noteworthy capabilities in the Fluke article check out the 10 tests claimed for testing
Though we know about commercial "puffing" and advertising which is indicated

IF those tests are done thats pretty tough

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluke_Corporation

[wptski]

Look up this on wiki and scroll to noteworthy capabilities in the Fluke article check out the 10 tests claimed for testing
Though we know about commercial "puffing" and advertising which is indicated

IF those tests are done thats pretty tough

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluke_Corporation
I've seen videos of the drop tests and of the peak transient tests where they blow up the DMMs in a specially made chamber. I've never seen tests like this from any other manufacturer.

[hvaclover]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaIszMlrQNE

[wptski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaIszMlrQNE
And the point is???

[hvaclover]

And the point is???
OOOHHHH I just could not pass up this comment that was posted with the test video!!

Quote: "I just bought TWO multimeters for a basic class. How do I tell if the units are FUSED? SPERRY DM-210A AND CEN-TECH ITEM 90899. The cheap one from Harbor Freight for $4.00 says "fuse & diode protected circuit" ??? And what is done to cause that explosion ??" End Quote
:worthless:


I think that might have been the poster finding out what fused means in the video.

[Wendo]

Today, Fluke continues to reign as one of the leaders in the field of electronic testing and measuring equipment. With a bright outlook and consistent income increases, one thing is certain: continued innovation from the masters at Fluke. Thanks for the gift Clover!!!

[hvaclover]

Today, Fluke continues to reign as one of the leaders in the field of electronic testing and measuring equipment. With a bright outlook and consistent income increases, one thing is certain: continued innovation from the masters at Fluke. Thanks for the gift Clover!!!

Sorry, but Agilent has the distinction of being number one in the world for measuring and testing equipment.

There are German and other Western European manufactures that surpass Fluke and are still made in their home countries.

A claim Fluke cannot make about the majority of their meters.