DANGER! 58% of Military oppose an open Gay Military

[glennac]

58% of the Military oppose repealing the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" law. 14% will end their career and 10% won't re up. You can't have a effective military with openly gay troops serving along with striaght Americans. Check out the Fox news clip on it. Very informative and distressing.:eek:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11492804

[k-fridge]

The politicians need to stay out of this one and let the military brass set internal policy.

But Obama has to "repay" certain groups/people so he will lift don't ask-don't tell and the ban on gays.

[wolfstrike]

the only thing that matters is what the 1% of the liberals want

[mikethe ductman]

58% of the Military oppose repealing the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" law. 14% will end their career and 10% won't re up. You can't have a effective military with openly gay troops serving along with striaght Americans. Check out the Fox news clip on it. Very informative and distressing.:eek:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11492804

So just what are you trying to say glenn, that maybe 42% are gay or they might be democrates?

[k-fridge]

So just what are you trying to say glenn, that maybe 42% are gay or they might be democrates?

Isn't that redundant? :p:D:p:D

[mikethe ductman]

Isn't that redundant? :p:D:p:D

Now k don't make me bring up the mens room again, its getting old.

[WhoIsThat?]

The Greeks paired lovers in battle. That way each one would watch the other's "back."
:p

And nobody minded that Julius Caesar was "the husband to every wife and the wife to every husband."
They minded that he was effeminate.

Thanks to the efforts of a gay doctor, homosexuality has been removed from the DSM as a mental illness.

But. . .hold the phone. . .!!!
Now they have "gender identity disorder."
http://www.mhsanctuary.com/gender/dsm.htm

[Gib's Son]

The Greeks paired lovers in battle. That way each one would watch the other's "back."

http://www.mhsanctuary.com/gender/dsm.htm

Is that a typo? or should it read "That way each one would wash the other's back." :p

[coolwhip]

Hehehe...fags in the milatary..whats next, pink tanks, planes and ships flying the rainbow fag...I mean flag?:eek:

[k-fridge]

Hehehe...fags in the milatary..whats next, pink tanks, planes and ships flying the rainbow fag...I mean flag?:eek:

I bet the barracks are decorated really pretty. :p

[frostman]

58% of the Military oppose repealing the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" law. 14% will end their career and 10% won't re up. You can't have a effective military with openly gay troops serving along with striaght Americans. Check out the Fox news clip on it. Very informative and distressing.:eek:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11492804

I was taking Glenns post seriously until I read that the clip was a Fox News clip. And who cares if a gay man wants to serve in the military? You bash them repeatedly for not being like you, for being somehow immoral, so you'd think you'd want them to go get their asses shot off somewhere. What better way to get rid of the evil homosexuals that threaten your paranoid existence.

[WhoIsThat?]

homosexuals
paranoid
You must have read some Freud!
http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=JAA.002.0081A

[coolwhip]

I was taking Glenns post seriously until I read that the clip was a Fox News clip. And who cares if a gay man wants to serve in the military? You bash them repeatedly for not being like you, for being somehow immoral, so you'd think you'd want them to go get their asses shot off somewhere. What better way to get rid of the evil homosexuals that threaten your paranoid existence.

Wha are you, some sort of pro queer freako?:eek:

[k-fridge]

Gentlemen......

[hvac r us 2]

Gentlemen......


I see you are using that term loosely tonight. :)

[k-fridge]

I see you are using that term loosely tonight. :)

I try to be nice. Ain't easy sometimes.

[karsthuntr]

In the military you are forced to share the same barracks with people of the same sex as you, sometimes 60 at a time. You are also forced to shower with those same individuals in a community shower. I would not want some gay guy leering at my junk in the shower.

As of right now there are gays in the military and there always will be. If they are open about it they will be discharged from the military (general discharge).

I personally don't want the military to become like the show Oz. Which very well could happen if the majority of the people in the barracks are openly gay.

[glennac]

Wha are you, some sort of pro queer freako?:eek:

You got that right cool. If gays were allowed to come in as open gays, all the real men would get court marshaled for whipping their asses and you would only have gays and gals left in our military. That's what they want. No military. Why everyone can't see what the socialists and commies want to do beats me.

[mikethe ductman]

Wha are you, some sort of pro queer freako?:eek:

This board has only enough room for one glenn.

[k-fridge]

Guys, I'll shut it down if the insults continue. They got out of hand for a few days, and a member got banned on account of it. Let's be civil please.

ARPC

[glennac]

This board has only enough room for one glenn.

Hey I thought you were supposed to be getting "high" celebrating at the Caberate on Roswell road tonight. Must have got to high already to drive I see. Well cool is his own man and there are lots more of us who think "striaght" thank you very much.:)

Have a good night celebrating the night that America has slipped a notch. This kind of reminds me of a song "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" Just substitute America in the song and it is the same. Check it out by Joan Baez Great song.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ksYL26lZE

[mrs reb77]

My Uncle is gay.

He served first in the Army, several enlistments. When his brother (my other Uncle) was wounded in Vietnam they wouldn't accept an additional enlistment. His brother was Army and they were the only two male children.
So, my 'gay' uncle enlisted in the Air Force and served for several more enlistments. When he got out, he went to college. Eventually he became a police officer with the Atlanta PD. Served many years until he qualified for retirement. He never 'came out' during any of that time and he was an Uncle just like any other. And, appeared a man, just like any other. Still does. But, now he lives openly with his partner. Something he couldn't do 30, 20 or maybe even 10 years ago.

I don't think he was really any kind of menace to his fellow soldiers.

But, if you get flamboyant dress designers, hair dressers and that type in the military there's gonna be problems. I don't think those are the types of men that want to join the military. (excluding women here)

What I'm getting at is, don't ask don't tell is the way most people live their lives--we shouldn't be involved in the 'bedroom' activity of others (as long as no one is unwillingly injured!) and we should make others become involved in that activity. To me, that's exactly what homosexuality is--forcing me to become involved in someone else's bedroom/sexual activity.
Keep it to yourselves and we'll all be fine.

[mikethe ductman]

Hey I thought you were supposed to be getting "high" celebrating at the Caberate on Roswell road tonight. Must have got to high already to drive I see. Well cool is his own man and there are lots more of us who think "striaght" thank you very much.:)

Have a good night celebrating the night that America has slipped a notch. This kind of reminds me of a song "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" Just substitute America in the song and it is the same. Check it out by Joan Baez Great song.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ksYL26lZE

I had to stay home I got to work in your neck of the woods tomorrow, some where off Penwood trail, so if you see a van with a hammer and a sickle on the side of it and a BO sticker on the bumper give me a shout.


IS THAT BETTER??????????????????????

[k-fridge]

I had to stay home I got to work in your neck of the woods tomorrow, some where off Penwood trail, so if you see a van with a hammer and a cycle on the side of it and a BO sticker on the bumper give me a shout.

Bicycle? Motorcycle? Unicycle? Or Tricycle?


:p

[Andy Schoen]

so if you see a van with a hammer and a cycle on the side of it and a BO sticker on the bumper give me a shout.

Hammer and sickle perhaps??? :confused:

Anyway, I don't see America in a fall for communism anytime soon. More socialism, perhaps.

Personally, I think Obama can be quite effective at the bully pulpit. I hope can do well. But I fear more of a Carter Administration emerging, where Barack will tangle with Reid and Pelosi for control, and inflation becoming the major problem.

[glennac]

I had to stay home I got to work in your neck of the woods tomorrow, some where off Penwood trail, so if you see a van with a hammer and a cycle on the side of it and a BO sticker on the bumper give me a shout.

Small road in Dacula. Won't be back in the area till around 5 or 5:30 tomorrow let me know if you will still be around and I'll check you out. I have a white F250 work truck w camper top and with an "old GA Flag" (Stars & Bars) on front.

[mikethe ductman]

Bicycle? Motorcycle? Unicycle? Or Tricycle?


:p

K got any kin "southern word for family" by the name of dave or brain?

[k-fridge]

K got any kin "southern word for family" by the name of dave or brain?
I have a brother named David, but he's in Chattanooga. If you mean Brian, that is his son's name.

[mrs reb77]

I have a white F250 work truck w camper top and with an "old GA Flag" (Stars & Bars) on front.

No! Not you Glenn! No way! :D

[mikethe ductman]

Hammer and sickle perhaps??? :confused:

Anyway, I don't see America in a fall for communism anytime soon. More socialism, perhaps.

Personally, I think Obama can be quite effective at the bully pulpit. I hope can do well. But I fear more of a Carter Administration emerging, where Barack will tangle with Reid and Pelosi for control, and inflation becoming the major problem.

kinda playing poker right now, can't you tell by a calm?

Give me an hour the spelling will get better and all hell will break loose.:)

[Andy Schoen]

kinda playing poker right now, can't you tell by a calm?

Give me an hour the spelling will get better and all hell will break loose.:)

I prefer beer drinking when I post. ;) I find it improves the imagination. :p

[mikethe ductman]

I have a brother named David, but he's in Chattanooga. If you mean Brian, that is his son's name.

No they are 1/2 brothers that use to work at classy

[k-fridge]

No they are 1/2 brothers that use to work at classy
Don't know them.

That company just bellied up. And they owe me money.

[mrs reb77]

I prefer beer drinking when I post. ;) I find it improves the imagination. :p

Andy, how's Schlafly brews? We have a function on the 31st with a beer tasting by them.

[mikethe ductman]

I prefer beer drinking when I post. ;) I find it improves the imagination. :p

I like the Irish cream myself, but when you start at 10 am the whole day is shot

[mikethe ductman]

Don't know them.

That company just bellied up. And they owe me money.

I did marks and tims house, yeah giving a mill to two wives will make you go tits up

Just who sell his co. and lets the new owner use his credit, a very dumb move.

[k-fridge]

I did marks and tims house, yeah giving a mill to two wives will make you go tits up

Just who sell his co. and lets the new owner use use his credit, a very dumb move.

I'll tell you more sometime, off the forum

[mikethe ductman]

how do they owe you $

[mrs reb77]

tits up



How.....quaint.

[mikethe ductman]

I'll tell you more sometime, off the forum

I work with his bro in law, mark is cheep but always paid his bills, its the ones he sold it to that are the crooks, kiss your $ good bye.

[frostman]

Wha are you, some sort of pro queer freako?:eek:

No, other peoples sexuality just doesn't concern me. I don't care if a gay man wants to join the military. You people that obsess about gays have way to much time on your hands.

[frostman]

You got that right cool. If gays were allowed to come in as open gays, all the real men would get court marshaled for whipping their asses and you would only have gays and gals left in our military. That's what they want. No military. Why everyone can't see what the socialists and commies want to do beats me.

Because not everyone is paranoid and delusional. I'm sure that's the plan, let the gays in, and the military will go away, great plan. You do realize that there has always been gay men in the military right? I'm sure a few squeaked through and got in.

[coolwhip]

No, other peoples sexuality just doesn't concern me. I don't care if a gay man wants to join the military. You people that obsess about gays have way to much time on your hands.

Who's obsessing?...I know whats right and whats wrong, and taking that dirt road is way sick, twisted, and wrong. :eek:

There isnt a thing anyone can say that could make it right.

[smittyii]

Because not everyone is paranoid and delusional. I'm sure that's the plan, let the gays in, and the military will go away, great plan. You do realize that there has always been gay men in the military right? I'm sure a few squeaked through and got in.

yes there have been gays in the military. i don't think anyone would dispute that, but they were in the military under "don't ask don't tell". big difference there frostman. deployments can last 10 or12 months in the military. 9 months at sea with no love can make anybody paranoid and delusional, at least about sex. its hard enough to recruit willing men and women for military service without adding to morale problems. the kind of morale problems that kill recruiting and retention. i personally don't believe there will be throw pillows and window treatments in the barracks:D. unfortunately, the problems caused by OPENLY gay sailors, airmen, soldiers and marines are going to be way more subtle!

[frostman]

Who's obsessing?...I know whats right and whats wrong, and taking that dirt road is way sick, twisted, and wrong. :eek:

There isnt a thing anyone can say that could make it right.

That's YOUR definition of what's right and what's wrong. Another member of the morality police. I see the problems with letting gay men in the military as far as causing tension among men who have been at sea for months without seeing a live female, but if they're willing to go fight for their country, they should be able to.

[glennac]

That's YOUR definition of what's right and what's wrong. Another member of the morality police. I see the problems with letting gay men in the military as far as causing tension among men who have been at sea for months without seeing a live female, but if they're willing to go fight for their country, they should be able to.

BS no one likes sissies. Let them fight with themselves and stay in the closet. If they want to fight in the military then stay in the closet and don't tell anyone about it and then we might could tolerate it. I prefer the old system when I was in. You were asked if you were a homosexual and if you said yes then you weren't drafted or allowed to enlist. If you were caught committing sodomy it was a DD and 5 years at Leavenworth for the good of your soul.

[mikethe ductman]

BS no one likes sissies. Let them fight with themselves and stay in the closet. If they want to fight in the military then stay in the closet and don't tell anyone about it and then we might could tolerate it. I prefer the old system when I was in. You were asked if you were a homosexual and if you said yes then you weren't drafted or allowed to enlist. If you were caught committing sodomy it was a DD and 5 years at Leavenworth for the good of your soul.

So glenn would you exclude them from the draft, if the draft was to come around again?

I have thought about this a lot, for some reason I can't stop thinking about the women taking showers and soaping each other up, talk about a moral booster.

[mrs reb77]

:(


whatever


It's not worth my breaking the rules over.


Period.

[frostman]

BS no one likes sissies. Let them fight with themselves and stay in the closet. If they want to fight in the military then stay in the closet and don't tell anyone about it and then we might could tolerate it. I prefer the old system when I was in. You were asked if you were a homosexual and if you said yes then you weren't drafted or allowed to enlist. If you were caught committing sodomy it was a DD and 5 years at Leavenworth for the good of your soul.

So..now everyone that is gay is a sissy? Man you stereotype everyone don't ya. So..you don't care if a gay man is in the military..as long as you don't know he's gay? If you suddenly found out someone who was just fighting beside you is gay, would that change what he is doing your mind? Would that suddenly make him not qualified to be in that situation?

[glennac]

So..now everyone that is gay is a sissy? Man you stereotype everyone don't ya. So..you don't care if a gay man is in the military..as long as you don't know he's gay? If you suddenly found out someone who was just fighting beside you is gay, would that change what he is doing your mind? Would that suddenly make him not qualified to be in that situation?

The real question is why do you or anyone else want the gays to be open about it. So you can destroy the military? Push the gay agenda down the throats so to speak of our fighting men? If a gay wants to serve all he has to do is not tell others about it. If he wants to then he wants to act gay and that is incompatible with the military and striaght men in general.

Why do I have to explain this to you unless you are gay and don't understand how normal folks feel? I think I have made my points clear enough and if you want open gays in the military it is so noted by all who read this thread but I guarantee you that you won't change any minds here about it.

I served and I can tell you me and my buddies wouldn't have stood for it and I mean everyone I knew while in the states, Korea and Nam. Thank you very much and my God forgive you.

[frostman]

The real question is why do you or anyone else want the gays to be open about it. So you can destroy the military? Push the gay agenda down the throats so to speak of our fighting men? If a gay wants to serve all he has to do is not tell others about it. If he wants to then he wants to act gay and that is incompatible with the military and striaght men in general.

Why do I have to explain this to you unless you are gay and don't understand how normal folks feel? I think I have made my points clear enough and if you want open gays in the military it is so noted by all who read this thread but I guarantee you that you won't change any minds here about it.

I served and I can tell you me and my buddies wouldn't have stood for it and I mean everyone I knew while in the states, Korea and Nam. Thank you very much and my God forgive you.

First of all, there would have to be actual minds to change. And no, i'm not gay, never have been and don't plan on being anytime soon. And i agree with the don't ask don't tell policy, but you don't want them in the military because you have a hatred for anybody that's not like you. And if you're normal, then the definition of that word has changed drastically. And do you think that every gay man is feminine and acts "gay" all the time? There are lots of gay men who you would not know are gay unless they told you. Just more hateful stereotyping, which seems to be all your capable of. I'll read your predictable response tomorrow, i'm going to go look up the definition of normal and see if there's a picture of you buy it.

[glennac]

First of all, there would have to be actual minds to change. And no, i'm not gay, never have been and don't plan on being anytime soon. And i agree with the don't ask don't tell policy, but you don't want them in the military because you have a hatred for anybody that's not like you. And if you're normal, then the definition of that word has changed drastically. And do you think that every gay man is feminine and acts "gay" all the time? There are lots of gay men who you would not know are gay unless they told you. Just more hateful stereotyping, which seems to be all your capable of. I'll read your predictable response tomorrow, i'm going to go look up the definition of normal and see if there's a picture of you buy it.

Well here we go with personal attacks and name calling which is against the rules. I never said or implied that I "have a hatred for anybody that's not like me". You love to stereotype those of us who oppose open gays in the military and you make lies about me and others who feel the same way.

I have also never said or implied that every gay acts feminine. I just used a common term when referring to them as sissies but I do know that some act that way and others act different so I wish you would also stop making up falsehoods as to what I believe or not believe.

Now from the way you used your post in this personal attack I cannot nor will not address your posts anymore because I don't care to break the rules and get into a "flame" war over open gays in the military or on any other subject for that matter so you will have to find someone else to have a fight with.

This will be my last post to you until you play by the rules of this forum. Thank you very much.

[k-fridge]

Everyone be nice, I just did 4 miles and an upper body workout at the gym, and I'm too dern tired to play good cop-bad cop tonight. :D

[the mojo]

Yuri Bezmenov stated in his little interveiw that the teachings of Yuri Andropov would take about 15-20 years to demoralize a society and he was spot on with that prediction......

Putin must be rolling on the floor right now.

I told everyone to WATCH THAT VIDEO to see what you're up against.

This came about by Billy Clintoon back in 93.

It was a deciding factor at getting the Democratic Senate booted out.

Now this Senate is at it again. Wake up people.

[the mojo]

Everyone be nice, I just did 4 miles and an upper body workout at the gym, and I'm too dern tired to play good cop-bad cop tonight. :D

My post should put out the fire. WATCH the video. Thank-you;)

[the mojo]

My US Senators are Levin and Stabenow.

Levin will not go for it.

Stabenow will go for any thing if there is a bone attached to it.


You are yours?........;)

[WhoIsThat?]

My take on gay females is one of amusement. For gay males it has gone from indifference to amusement to disbelief to disgust to pity.

A coroner wrote that two gay men will meet each other in a bar, and within an hour one of them will have killed the other.
I have read that some gay males play with, or drink, the excrement of men they find attractive much as a kid in a high chair plays with his food.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=%22fabulous+feces%22&btnG=Search

Did you know that the transcripts of divorce/custody hearings are public record unless you can get a judge to seal them? All you need is a case number for the clerk to bring up the file.
In the 70s I used this knowledge to investigate a very obnoxious attorney that I had the misfortune to meet.
The transcripts of his divorce proceedings showed that his wife testified that he went to a nudist camp and wanted his wife to have sex with some other guy, so that he could watch. It was years before I found out this conduct meant that he was gay; supposedly the woman is an intermediary between the two men.
There was also testimony that this superjerk had affairs with truck drivers and that he felt his "equipment" was "substandard." And a woman I talked to "during my journey of discovery" confirmed this problem, so you can imagine he had a preference for certain types of sex.
Fortunately, this child-molester (in the 80s) died just a few years ago on the operating table, never having served a day in prison because of his political connections. The other attorneys were disgusted and embarrassed by him so they protected him. And, yet, they complained how difficult he was to deal with in the workplace.
The icing on the cake? He tried to run for president of his local bar association.
His punishment because the other attorneys knew about this guy? I was told, "He can never be a judge."
His burial place? A church cemetery.

I think what made this provocative attorney so obnoxious is that he did not feel as manly as he wanted to, and his strutting around and his motorcycle riding and his weightlifting did not make him feel any better.
So he made his problem the problem of everyone he met.

"60 Minutes" recently did a segment on what is currently believed to cause this sexual preference.

[coolwhip]

First of all, there would have to be actual minds to change. And no, i'm not gay, never have been and don't plan on being anytime soon. And i agree with the don't ask don't tell policy, but you don't want them in the military because you have a hatred for anybody that's not like you. And if you're normal, then the definition of that word has changed drastically. And do you think that every gay man is feminine and acts "gay" all the time? There are lots of gay men who you would not know are gay unless they told you. Just more hateful stereotyping, which seems to be all your capable of. I'll read your predictable response tomorrow, i'm going to go look up the definition of normal and see if there's a picture of you buy it.

Hey Frostie, stereotyping is there for a reason and the reason being is because their is truth to it.
There is nothing wrong with stereotyping and if you dont want me to do it, then dont give me a reason to.

[frostman]

Hey Frostie, stereotyping is there for a reason and the reason being is because their is truth to it.
There is nothing wrong with stereotyping and if you dont want me to do it, then dont give me a reason to.

I wasn't aware I personally was giving you reasons to do anything.

[coolwhip]

I wasn't aware I personally was giving you reasons to do anything.

You, as in your type that likes to use words like stereotype because you think its a cool buzz word.

[frostman]

Well here we go with personal attacks and name calling which is against the rules. I never said or implied that I "have a hatred for anybody that's not like me". You love to stereotype those of us who oppose open gays in the military and you make lies about me and others who feel the same way.

I have also never said or implied that every gay acts feminine. I just used a common term when referring to them as sissies but I do know that some act that way and others act different so I wish you would also stop making up falsehoods as to what I believe or not believe.

Now from the way you used your post in this personal attack I cannot nor will not address your posts anymore because I don't care to break the rules and get into a "flame" war over open gays in the military or on any other subject for that matter so you will have to find someone else to have a fight with.

This will be my last post to you until you play by the rules of this forum. Thank you very much.

Anytime someone disagrees with your rants you cry about being attacked and talk about some rules. Why don't you go on some forums where the site censors/ police won't tell anyone who "attacks" you to stop? You will accuse whole groups of people of being drug addicted communist loving gay sissies, than when someone disagrees with you you deny that you were referring to everyone. Like the post about everyone having deviant sex and getting drugged up during Obamas inauguration, then denying that you were referring to EVERYONE that supported him. Or your statement that everyone who isn't gay is normal, implying that anyone who is gay, or who doesn't hate gays, isn't. You just implied yesterday that I might be gay, why? Because I don't have a hatred for everyone that isn't like me? I could take that as a personal attack, but I don't care, because I can take it without crying about the site rules. You will attack groups of people then lump someone into that group, then say you never attack anyone directly, that you're just attacking a group of people, BS. Stop whining and take it if you're going to dish it out.

[mikethe ductman]

Anytime someone disagrees with your rants you cry about being attacked and talk about some rules. Why don't you go on some forums where the site censors/ police won't tell anyone who "attacks" you to stop? You will accuse whole groups of people of being drug addicted communist loving gay sissies, than when someone disagrees with you you deny that you were referring to everyone. Like the post about everyone having deviant sex and getting drugged up during Obamas inauguration, then denying that you were referring to EVERYONE that supported him. Or your statement that everyone who isn't gay is normal, implying that anyone who is gay, or who doesn't hate gays, isn't. You just implied yesterday that I might be gay, why? Because I don't have a hatred for everyone that isn't like me? I could take that as a personal attack, but I don't care, because I can take it without crying about the site rules. You will attack groups of people then lump someone into that group, then say you never attack anyone directly, that you're just attacking a group of people, BS. Stop whining and take it if you're going to dish it out.

Your kind call people on the left a bunch of sissy, but when you get b-slaped your kind call a foul.
Like some one on the rigth told me the other day "GROW A PAIR"

[temp_checker]

I was in the Army back in the early 80's. During my bootcamp training in Ft. Knox I seen a female drill sgt and she was openly gay. She wasn't pretty, in fact she was hard looking, and muscular. She happened to be one of the instuctors during a hand to hand combat training. She picked out one of the biggest guys in the class and beat him down with ease. She might have given Bruce Lee a beat down the way she fought...She was that good. If I went to war at that time, I would have chosen her to have my back.

A persons sexuality isn't going to prevent someone from doing their job in the military when it comes down to life or death. I'm a straight male..

[WhoIsThat?]

I hate to inject science into stereotyping for two groups of people (gays and straights) but for statisticians it's already there:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=stereotype+%22discriminant+analysis%22&btnG=Search

I've never been in combat so I can't comment on the pluses or minuses of gays in the military in combat roles.
The military could comment on this (surely they have hired, and are hiring, statisticians to study this) but they won't, for political reasons.

A guy tried to sign up for the Army in the 60's and told them that he was gay. The Army said, "You're telling us this so you don't go to Vietnam, Right?" He said he doesn't care if he goes to Vietnam.

So he was accepted and served two tours of duty in Vietnam and was then ejected from the military on the grounds that he was gay.
He sued the Army on the grounds that they knew he was gay when they enlisted him.
He won the lawsuit, and he should have won.

It's the same with martial arts. Countries that are at war want martial artists. When peace comes the government does not want people walking around who have these skills.

[glennac]

Anytime someone disagrees with your rants you cry about being attacked and talk about some rules. Why don't you go on some forums where the site censors/ police won't tell anyone who "attacks" you to stop? You will accuse whole groups of people of being drug addicted communist loving gay sissies, than when someone disagrees with you you deny that you were referring to everyone. Like the post about everyone having deviant sex and getting drugged up during Obamas inauguration, then denying that you were referring to EVERYONE that supported him. Or your statement that everyone who isn't gay is normal, implying that anyone who is gay, or who doesn't hate gays, isn't. You just implied yesterday that I might be gay, why? Because I don't have a hatred for everyone that isn't like me? I could take that as a personal attack, but I don't care, because I can take it without crying about the site rules. You will attack groups of people then lump someone into that group, then say you never attack anyone directly, that you're just attacking a group of people, BS. Stop whining and take it if you're going to dish it out.

More lying and twisting words. I never said all who aren't gay are normal. Just those who are gay are not normal. You said that you agree with the "Don't ask don't tell policy" and then you attack those of us who support that policy and do not want open gays in the military. If a gay wants to join the military all he has to do is sign up and do not tell anyone he is gay and no one can ask him if he is gay. So if you are for the policy of don't ask don't tell then why are you supporting the policy of having gays open about it in the military.

I never have said that everyone who supports Obama is gay or deviant. But a lot of them are and a lot of them do just that. Now if you voted for Obama out of some mistaken belief that he will help America then in my opinion you need help yourself. But that is my opinion and you can have yours. Thank heavens not everyone has the same opinion as you other wise we would not have a military capable of defending our country. If all this pisses you off so much well I'm sorry about that. I am an American and want to preserve this country as the land of the free and brave and not the land of wussies and folks who want to live in a socialist commie world.

The only hatred I have seen has came from your posts directed at me. I don't hate gays like you do patriotic Americans and I don't hate folks who voted for Obama as you do towards those who think he will lead this country to ruin. So please take your hate rhetoric and stuff it. I don't preach hate as you do and will not. Thank you very much and have a good day even if you don't like the military.:)

[glennac]

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A guy tried to sign up for the Army in the 60's and told them that he was gay. The Army said, "You're telling us this so you don't go to Vietnam, Right?" He said he doesn't care if he goes to Vietnam.

So he was accepted and served two tours of duty in Vietnam and was then ejected from the military on the grounds that he was gay.
He sued the Army on the grounds that they knew he was gay when they enlisted him.
He won the lawsuit, and he should have won.

It's the same with martial arts. Countries that are at war want martial artists. When peace comes the government does not want people walking around who have these skills.

The "Army" never did and never would tell someone that it was OK to be gay and then take him in. A recruiter may have said that and lied. But then when you went to actually enlist they asked you if you were homosexual and if you answered yes then they would reject you because that was a signed document and just like they asked you back then if you were a member of any of about 500 subversive organizations.

Most of them were communist front organizations. They had a list that went more than one page long. Like the Abraham Lincoln Brigade (they were American volunteers who fought in the Spanish Civil War on the same side as the socialists and communists or the American Bund Party and of course the Communist Party and so on. If you were a member of any of these then you were rejected. You had to read the document and sign it at the induction center.

I signed up in 67 and they asked those questions of me and even if my "recruiter" said it was OK then I would have been sent home then if I said yes to the question. Now that guy you were taking about must have lied and said that he was not homosexual.

[WhoIsThat?]

The "Army" never did and never would tell someone that it was OK to be gay and then take him in.

They probably were silent on the issue of his openly admitting he was gay but they did take him in and he did serve. It's probably somewhere on the Internet but I read about in print before there was an Internet. He might have been black, I'm not sure.
And to keep the defense of "plausible deniability" they probably never wrote down that he told them he was gay. That information disappeared, and probably went to the same place that some White House memos go. But when it was in their interest they "suddenly remembered that he was gay."

The military (and a lot of other large organizations, including street gangs) does whatever it feels like doing.
That's the whole idea of many men with guns, money and political power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=117
http://www.heretical.com/berne/lyahf.html

Organizations don't care what you've done as long as you are truthful with them and they can use you. Later on they can use that truth against you if they feel like it.

The Air Force went back on their promises to me as to what I would be doing for a living in the service, and so I threatened to take out a full page ad in each of San Antonio's two local newspapers saying that I was being paid taxpayer dollars and doing absolutely nothing in return.
After that they "played nice", and every career officer in those five air bases around S.A. knew my name. I got out after 2 years and 9 months (vs. 4 years), honorably.

No large organizations want the games they play made public.

It turns out my threat wasn't plausible: I had no idea what kind of bucks it would have cost for ads like that. But I guess they didn't know, either, so it was they who became intimidated.

The young officer who processed my paperwork in the CBPO was furious. So were the other Lieutenants that came in the same time I did. I left as a 1st. Lt.

Just like all whistleblowers, people near me got punishment intended for me. A Lt. Col. was sent to Taiwan for helping me. Organizations get very mad at "management types" who should have known better.

[frostman]

More lying and twisting words. I never said all who aren't gay are normal. Just those who are gay are not normal. You said that you agree with the "Don't ask don't tell policy" and then you attack those of us who support that policy and do not want open gays in the military. If a gay wants to join the military all he has to do is sign up and do not tell anyone he is gay and no one can ask him if he is gay. So if you are for the policy of don't ask don't tell then why are you supporting the policy of having gays open about it in the military.

I never have said that everyone who supports Obama is gay or deviant. But a lot of them are and a lot of them do just that. Now if you voted for Obama out of some mistaken belief that he will help America then in my opinion you need help yourself. But that is my opinion and you can have yours. Thank heavens not everyone has the same opinion as you other wise we would not have a military capable of defending our country. If all this pisses you off so much well I'm sorry about that. I am an American and want to preserve this country as the land of the free and brave and not the land of wussies and folks who want to live in a socialist commie world.

The only hatred I have seen has came from your posts directed at me. I don't hate gays like you do patriotic Americans and I don't hate folks who voted for Obama as you do towards those who think he will lead this country to ruin. So please take your hate rhetoric and stuff it. I don't preach hate as you do and will not. Thank you very much and have a good day even if you don't like the military.:)

You make rants like this, but yet you say you don't hate anyone or constantly bash people who think differently than you. I'm not attacking the policy of dont ask dont tel, just the people that have this hatred of gays, like you. You DID imply that everyone who isn't gay is "normal", read your own words. And where do you get this idea that I hate patriotic Americans? What did I ever say that gave you that bat-**** crazy idea? Not wanting gays in the military doesn't make you anymore patriotic than anyone else. And I don't hate you, just your hatred for everyone different than you. And yes, you DO preach hate, again, read your own words.

[glennac]

You make rants like this, but yet you say you don't hate anyone or constantly bash people who think differently than you. I'm not attacking the policy of dont ask dont tel, just the people that have this hatred of gays, like you. You DID imply that everyone who isn't gay is "normal", read your own words. And where do you get this idea that I hate patriotic Americans? What did I ever say that gave you that bat-**** crazy idea? Not wanting gays in the military doesn't make you anymore patriotic than anyone else. And I don't hate you, just your hatred for everyone different than you. And yes, you DO preach hate, again, read your own words.

Funny then why the word "hate" always comes up in your posts when attacking me and I never use that word against you until you started the accusing me of hate which I don't but you do because you use that word all the time to attack those who disagree with you.

I never attacked you but you have me repeatedly because I think being openly gay is wrong in the military and you agree with that except you use hate language against me for taking the same position.

You need to take your hate rhetoric somewhere else and not on this forum. Stop the hate against those who think different from you. I never have and never will like you do. Please stop the personal attacks and hate rhetoric. Thank you very much.

[frostman]

Funny then why the word "hate" always comes up in your posts when attacking me and I never use that word against you until you started the accusing me of hate which I don't but you do because you use that word all the time to attack those who disagree with you.

I never attacked you but you have me repeatedly because I think being openly gay is wrong in the military and you agree with that except you use hate language against me for taking the same position.

You need to take your hate rhetoric somewhere else and not on this forum. Stop the hate against those who think different from you. I never have and never will like you do. Please stop the personal attacks and hate rhetoric. Thank you very much.
What hate language?? Do you actually read the posts you reply to? You do seem to hate everyone different than you, which is alot of people. And you didn't answer me, what did I say that gave you reason to accuse me of being unpatriotic?

[glennac]

What hate language?? Do you actually read the posts you reply to? You do seem to hate everyone different than you, which is alot of people. And you didn't answer me, what did I say that gave you reason to accuse me of being unpatriotic?

Hey I simply love the military and want to preserve it. I do not hate gays and never said a bad thing against them personally. The use of the word hate has came up in your posts falsely accusing me of hating gays.

I respect and love the military. I simply do not wish to destroy it as you want to. Now there is no hate in that and never has been. You keep using the word over and over again. I do not hate you or your ideas I simply oppose them so for the last time will you stop these personal attacks and the use of the word hate all the time.

Why do you insist on carry on this personal attack? You are unpatriotic because you want open gays in the military and I posted this thread to oppose that concept. Since then you have been on a personal attack against me with false accusations of hate because I am defending the wishes of the soldiers in our military and I have never attacked you or the gays.

I guess if any one opposes having open gays in the military then they must hate gays and hate folks like you who support it. Well I do not and never have thank you very much so please stop using the hate word in this crusade of yours to have open gays in the military and stop the personal attacks.

Do I make myself clear for the hundred time. I sure hope so. I don't know how many times one can say that they don't want open gays in the military with you screaming hate all the time. Thank you very much.:)
PS Thanks for another nice post.:)

[frostman]

Hey I simply love the military and want to preserve it. I do not hate gays and never said a bad thing against them personally. The use of the word hate has came up in your posts falsely accusing me of hating gays.

I respect and love the military. I simply do not wish to destroy it as you want to. Now there is no hate in that and never has been. You keep using the word over and over again. I do not hate you or your ideas I simply oppose them so for the last time will you stop these personal attacks and the use of the word hate all the time.

Why do you insist on carry on this personal attack? You are unpatriotic because you want open gays in the military and I posted this thread to oppose that concept. Since then you have been on a personal attack against me with false accusations of hate because I am defending the wishes of the soldiers in our military and I have never attacked you or the gays.

I guess if any one opposes having open gays in the military then they must hate gays and hate folks like you who support it. Well I do not and never have thank you very much so please stop using the hate word in this crusade of yours to have open gays in the military and stop the personal attacks.

Do I make myself clear for the hundred time. I sure hope so. I don't know how many times one can say that they don't want open gays in the military with you screaming hate all the time. Thank you very much.:)
PS Thanks for another nice post.:)
Awww...can't take it when someone goes after you? There you go calling me unpatriotic again without any good reason to do so. I served in the military, I just don't need to remind everyone of it constantly and I don't think that the fact I served makes me anymore patriotic than someone who didn't. My grandfather was a career military man, and all 3 of my uncles have served, one was killed in the line of duty, so why would I want it destroyed? And I said I get the reasoning behind "don't ask don't tell. You can say you don't hate all you want, but all anyone has to do is read your posts. So go ahead and complain some more that poor you is being attacked and unfairly criticized, and complain about some site rules. That's your only defense it seems.

[glennac]

Awww...can't take it when someone goes after you? There you go calling me unpatriotic again without any good reason to do so. I served in the military, I just don't need to remind everyone of it constantly and I don't think that the fact I served makes me anymore patriotic than someone who didn't. My grandfather was a career military man, and all 3 of my uncles have served, one was killed in the line of duty, so why would I want it destroyed? And I said I get the reasoning behind "don't ask don't tell. You can say you don't hate all you want, but all anyone has to do is read your posts. So go ahead and complain some more that poor you is being attacked and unfairly criticized, and complain about some site rules. That's your only defense it seems.

Well there is nothing to defend. I love the military, I don't hate gays and those like you who don't agree with me, but you apparently do hate those who don't want open gays in the military and you have decided to make a crusade us and me in particular.

So you still feel free to continue to post lies about me with no reason whatsoever. What a trip you are. You are on a one man crazy crusade to tell lies about another poster who has never personally attacked you. I would just like to know what makes you tick? I am not a psychologist but I bet you would not prove a challenge to one. You feel the need to slander others with lies to validate your own inadequacies which must be great.

There is no use continuing to discuss anything with you since you are not able to do anything except call names and make the same false unfounded charges. Thank you very much for another meaningless and useless attack post.

[frostman]

Well there is nothing to defend. I love the military, I don't hate gays and those like you who don't agree with me, but you apparently do hate those who don't want open gays in the military and you have decided to make a crusade us and me in particular.

So you still feel free to continue to post lies about me with no reason whatsoever. What a trip you are. You are on a one man crazy crusade to tell lies about another poster who has never personally attacked you. I would just like to know what makes you tick? I am not a psychologist but I bet you would not prove a challenge to one. You feel the need to slander others with lies to validate your own inadequacies which must be great.

There is no use continuing to discuss anything with you since you are not able to do anything except call names and make the same false unfounded charges. Thank you very much for another meaningless and useless attack post.

READ YOUR OWN POSTS!

[trane]

Glen your not alone on this but arguing with this guy is going to get you no where. If someone can't see for themselves the problem with gays in the open I don't think their mind is going to change. When I hear of this a picture of gays lined up getting ready to charge across the battlefield dressed in pink comes to mind. Nothing like taking the enemy by surprise :D

[frostman]

Glen your not alone on this but arguing with this guy is going to get you no where. If someone can't see for themselves the problem with gays in the open I don't think their mind is going to change. When I hear of this a picture of gays lined up getting ready to charge across the battlefield dressed in pink comes to mind. Nothing like taking the enemy by surprise :D

Oh my, another one with the inability to comprehend. I said, repeatedly, that I understand the reasoning behind don't ask don't tell. But your line about imagining guys wearing pink is interesting. Trying to tell us something?

[k-fridge]

Gentlemen,

May I suggest that we get back on topic instead of continuing this cyber peeing for distance contest.

Thank you,

The urinal

[frostman]

Gentlemen,

May I suggest that we get back on topic instead of continuing this cyber peeing for distance contest.

Thank you,

The urinal

Topics? Pfftt they're overrated.

[mikethe ductman]

Glen your not alone on this but arguing with this guy is going to get you no where. If someone can't see for themselves the problem with gays in the open I don't think their mind is going to change. When I hear of this a picture of gays lined up getting ready to charge across the battlefield dressed in pink comes to mind. Nothing like taking the enemy by surprise :D


Real men like pink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-lsvPddM7s

[k-fridge]

Topics? Pfftt they're overrated.
So start one that you're impressed with.

[trane]

[/COLOR]


Real men like pink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-lsvPddM7s


Gay = Pink

Pink = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wELAyMWml8

[WhoIsThat?]

So we have cyberpeeing, astroturfing, . . .what else?

[mikethe ductman]

Gay = Pink

Pink = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wELAyMWml8

pink=bad a$$

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYMsA-jv1tw

[Richard Kletty]

I like Pink. Great voice, good tunes.

[trane]

I think it would be a good idea for a few posters on this thread to take this test and post the results. It might help in understanding their thoughts on this subject :D
http://www.jabulela.com/science-tech/army-psychological-test

[WhoIsThat?]

I think it would be a good idea for a few posters on this thread to take this test and post the results. It might help in understanding their thoughts on this subject :D
http://www.jabulela.com/science-tech/army-psychological-test
Your link had a popup that said the Obama has an IQ of 125. That makes him smarter than 95% of the population. I sure hope he is a good guy.
160 is genius level.