The coming Ice Age is upon us.

[glennac]

"The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years."

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-0/

Yes and Owl Gore and all the other environmental nuts around the world and in Washington are working over time to derail the US economy with false claims of man made Global Warming where in reality we need to start firing back up the coal plants.

Yes and Obama is backing the Global Warming Hoax all the way. But the radical socialist environmentalist Democrats now have complete control of congress and the Presidency. Looks like we are screwed. Check out the link above. It goes into the changing of the earth's orbit which will bring us into another ice age for 100,000 years. How nice and Owl Gore has all this money to spend on promoting the Global Warming myth. Well the Dems are really going to screw us now mark my words.

[bootlen]

Matters not. We're not gonna be around long enough to worry about it.

[sline-dawg]

Wow a Commie website.....:eek: Atta boy Glenn....:D

I'm with Len on this.... and we can't control the planets weather either.... It is speculation at best...;)

[glennac]

Wow a Commie website.....:eek: Atta boy Glenn....:D

I'm with Len on this.... and we can't control the planets weather either.... It is speculation at best...;)

Yeah, but we can control our spending. We don't need to spends billions and trillions on useless measures to reduce carbon dioxide and destroy or already hurting economy. That's my point to any who gives a flip about our country. I gave you more credit than that boots. Thank you very much.

[bootlen]

Yeah, but we can control our spending. We don't need to spends billions and trillions on useless measures to reduce carbon dioxide and destroy or already hurting economy. That's my point to any who gives a flip about our country. I gave you more credit than that boots. Thank you very much.

Your point DID escape me. You are right about spending based on what is known to be an outright lie.

[homersodyssey]

I wonder if Cheney is going to take up the leadership of the coming Ice Age. He could write a book, turn it into a movie, winner a Noble Prize, globehop on a public speaking tour, etc. All this would add to his personal fortune while saving civilization. Nah, that's a silly idea. Only someone enraged by a hanging chad in Florida would do something like that.

[Gib's Son]

According to NASA we will be in a heap-a-trouble in 2012 anyway. There are also some scientist's that predict the North and South poles will reverse causing "unpredictable catastrophe".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478024,00.html

It is thought provoking, however, that Mayan, Aztec and other soothsayers predications and calenders all seem to end around 2012. Also, it could be the end to the ObamaNation. Sorry, had to slip that one in.;)

[frostman]

OF COURSE THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ICE AGE! It happens, it's part of the earths natural cycle. This isn't news to anyone that went to school and paid attention in science class. Though all that ice melting at the poles is kind of a problem as far as entering a new ice age goes.

[Nolan]

Matters not. We're not gonna be around long enough to worry about it.

Ditto on that. My great x 10 grandkids won't even be around for it. Besides, Ice Age? Global Warming? Nobody really knows what will happen - its all speculation based on the past. 1000 years ago Greenland was warm enough to farm. Another 1000 years it could be warm again or it could be buried under a 2km thick glacier. Neither would matter to me.

[Nolan]

It is thought provoking, however, that Mayan, Aztec and other soothsayers predications and calenders all seem to end around 2012. Also, it could be the end to the ObamaNation. Sorry, had to slip that one in.;)

I have a very amusing book of predictions. Published in 1980, it foretold of the dire events of the '90s and beyond. How many of the predictions by world famous soothsayers and psychics came true? None. People seem to like to read and hear about pending disaster more than disasters actually happen. Its all about selling fear. By the way, I hope the world doesn't end in 2012, it would be a damn waste of the OBT/G training I'm taking.

[sline-dawg]

it would be a damn waste of the OBT/G training I'm taking.


Those are some high maintenance units :eek:.... You are a brave man.....;)

[Andy Schoen]

It is thought provoking, however, that Mayan, Aztec and other soothsayers predications and calenders all seem to end around 2012.
I'd like a nickel from every soothsayer that predicted the end of humankind and shown to be wrong. :cool:

[Tool-Slinger]

I'd like a nickel from every soothsayer that predicted the end of humankind and shown to be wrong. :cool:
http://www.iceagenow.com/

Seriously, far more likely than global warming. There is a track-record on ice-ages as they repeat themselves and we are overdue. Also, some evidence they might happen very fast, in a couple of castastrophic months, not decades.

No former ice-age was the end of the world, but seriously changed what world there is.

[Gib's Son]

As a HAM radio operator I pay attention to sun spots. The sun has been very active for a number of years. Oddly enough as the temperatures are decreasing so is the sun spot activity. Shhhh...don't tell Al.

[matt michel]

If you would really like to learn about climate change, I recommend the following videos. In general, these provide an alternative view to Gore’s “consensus” on anthropogenic (i.e., man caused) global warming (AGW). A few of these videos have been broadcast in the United States (e.g., Glenn Beck, John Stossel), but most have not and probably will not be seen. Fortunately, we have the Internet to make these available.


Part I: Documentaries

Great Global Warming Swindle (1:13:32)
If there’s only one video to watch, this is it. The Great Global Warming Swindle was a documentary aired on British Channel 4. It’s unlikely it will ever be shown in the U.S. The video is a terrific response to Al Gore’s slide show movie and has stirred up green activists like little else.

In the film, Patrick Moore, who was a Greenpeace co-founder, summed up the state of environmental activism today. He said, “Because world communism failed, the wall came down, and a lot of peaceniks and political activists moved into the environmental movement bringing their neo-marxism with them and learned to use green language in a very clever way to cloak agendas that actually have more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalization than they do anything with ecology or science.”

This video has aroused the ire of environmentalists. As a result, it seems to disappear every few days. Fortunately, someone always reloads it, so if you can’t find it at the link below, try a Google or alltheweb.com video search for “Great Global Warming Swindle.”

When you find it, download a copy to keep by pasting the link into KeepVid (http://www.keepvid.com). This saves the video as a flash video (flv). There are several software products that can convert this to avi, mpeg, or wmv formats. One of the best is Super © and, even better, it’s freeware. You can see the main page here, but it’s difficult to navigate through the site (http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html), so you might just want to download direct (http://www.erightsoft.com/Superdc.html).

Watch the Great Global Warming Swindle (http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-4123082535546754758)


Global Warming Doomsday Called Off (43:59)
This Canadian Broadcasting Corporation documentary will probably never be aired in the U.S. It systematically takes apart the infamous “hockey stick” chart by Michael Mann, which represented bad science when first published and, after being thoroughly refuted, represents science fraud when republished (it appears to have disappeared from the latest IPCC report, though the chart showing the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age from the first IPCC assessment has not returned). Of course, Mann's been trying to resurrect it over the past year.

Link 1 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295)

Link 2 (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/global%2Bwarming/video/xor8w_global-warming-doomsday-called-off)


An Inconvenient Truth… Or Convenient Fiction
This documentary was produced by the Pacific Research Institute and features Steven Hayward, who writes the annual Index of Leading Environmental Indicators, which consistently finds things are getting better, not worse. Hayward is an optimist about the environment and says that the environment is much too important to be left in the hands of environmentalists. This is the only video where I’ve seen anyone address the absurd economic assumptions in the IPCC assessment reports (e.g., North Korea catches up to the U.S. in per capita in the year 2100 – not the U.S. per capita income in 2010, but the U.S. per capita income in 2100).

Part 1 (21:42) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6811621718806539208&q=An+Inconvenient+Truth+...+or+Convenient+Fiction% 3F)

Part 2 (25:48) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8680553475303217901&q=An+Inconvenient+Truth+...+or+Convenient+Fiction% 3F)


Megafreeze (43:53)
What if temperature is driven by solar activity it gets cold during the next solar cycle or two as some are projecting? The History Channel ran a documentary of the sudden climate change and subsequent impact of the cold from the Little Ice Age. This is truly frightening climate change, based on factual history, not theoretical models of complex systems. Yet, the History Channel tends to bow to the mainstream, politically correct views, so 30 minutes into the video it shifts to blaming man for causing future global cooling from global warming. The nod to politically correct anthropogenic climate change keeps the producers from getting the Durkin treatment.

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=806936648864838201)


Greenhouse Conspiracy (51:49)
This is another British Channel 4 documentary. This one aired in 1990. It shows the errors in land weather stations from the urban heat island effect...

http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/peterson_CA_UHI.gif

...and takes apart the climate models (Steve McIntyre also does this in very convincing fashion on his website (http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1859)). It also points out the benefits of increased levels of CO2, showing a research study where trees in a greenhouse with 1,000 ppm of CO2 flourish, compared to trees in a greenhouse with atmospheric levels of CO2.

The video notes that a 1974 television documentary and book, The Weather Machine, claimed we were heading into an ice age.

An amusing part of the film deals with the temperature flip flops of Stephen Schneider, one of the vocal proponents of the theory of AGW. Schneider was asked about the global cooling panic in the 1970s. He said, “People where talking about global cooling 15 years ago, but not everybody. I was one who was not sure.”

The guy interviewing him whips out Schneider’s first books and reads his own words: “I have cited many examples of recent climatic variability and repeated the warnings of several well-known climatologists that a cooling trend has set in – perhaps one akin to the Little Ice Age.”

Schneider responded, “I said that at the time because it was true.”

A classic was when Stephen Schneider said, “I don’t put much stock in looking at direct evidence.” Maybe this explains why his website continues to tout the discredited Mann hockey stick.

The video does an excellent job on how money affects the debate (or lack thereof).

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5949034802461518010)


John Stossel on Global Warming
ABC’s John Stossel shows how Al Gore’s slide show is scaring kid. You gotta ask, “Does he feel no shame?” Uh, no.

Stossel then shows how there is disagreement, but at a price to those who disagree. It’s not just an academic price, but death threats. Seriously. Watch the video.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI)

Alternate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNIgzZm66bE)

Alternate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOvCCTEfypk)


Exposed: The Climate of Fear (41:33)
This is Glenn Beck’s CNN special on global warming. He points out many of the flaws in Kyoto and how the IPCC exaggerates. Next Danish economist Bjorn Lomborg is interviewed. Lomborg nails the poor return on trying to do something about global warming compared to many of our other problems. For example, we get $40 of benefit for every dollar spent on HIV/AIDS, compared to $0.30 for every $1 spent on climate change.

Beck shows how scientists with alternative views about global warming are bullied, threatened, and starved of funding. This is the climate of fear from the segment’s title.

Patrick Moore makes an appearance and mentions the Oregon Petition Project (http://www.oism.org/pproject/), which is a document signed by 31,000 scientists and meteorologists who disagree with the premise of the Kyoto Treaty, the U.N. IPCC Assessment Reports, and Gore’s movie; so much for consensus. Beck didn’t show the text of it. Here it is:

“We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

John Christy then takes apart Gore’s dramatic report of the “Snows of Kilimanjaro, which were half gone when Hemmingway wrote the book. So how is that the result of climate change? It’s not.

Next, Beck goes after Mann’s infamous Hockey Stick, the relationship of CO2 and temperature, sea level rise, etc. Beck says Al Gore’s best supporting actor is, “if.” If this were to happen…

Beck follows the money. AGW proponents claim any opposition must be oil funded. Nonsense, says Chris Horner, author of the “Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming” (great book, by the way). However, we spend more money on global warming research than cancer research. Wait! More on global warming than cancer? Yes.

Horner then describes the process the IPCC follows. The politicians write the Summary For Policy Makers BEFORE the scientific report is written. The scientists must then make the science fit the politicians and bureaucrats’ summary.

Watch it. It’s good.

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7221788764767175476)


Climate Catastrophe Cancelled
This is a revision to the Canadian Friends of Science video that accounts for the latest information on Solar Cycle 24 and how sun spots create solar wind, which deflects supernova generated cosmic rays, which cause low level cloud formation, which reflect sun and generates cooling. A lot of sun spots means a lot of solar wind and warming. Within limits, the amplitude of a solar cycle (i.e., the number of sun spots) is based on the length of the previous solar cycle or two. Solar Cycle 24, which has just begun, looks to be a weak cycle. This is reflected by the current, cold winter.

The video also features Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, who took apart Mann’s hockey stick. The absence of Arctic ice was addressed. In 1906, the ice cleared and a Norwegian made the Northwest Passage. The benefits of CO2 on plant growth is noted. The latest research by Ernst Beck (http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/archives/003893.html) shows that CO2 over the last 200 years has twice risen above levels currently present in the atmosphere and is quietly stirring up discussion in the physics community (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=163931).

Part 1 (9:46) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uC4mwiRPks)

Part 2 (9:57) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWnLqmD534w)

Part 3 (10:15) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O6kF0wK3G8)


Global Warming: The Debate Continues (39:53)
This is the complete documentary video of the Fox special. John Christy and Roy Spencer, who collect the satellite temperature, downplayed the concerns about global warming noting that much more than CO2 affects climate, and that the cause and effect isn’t present.

Patrick Michaels notes that Thomas Jefferson wrote that he was concerned about climate change (i.e., the world was emerging from the Little Ice Age during the time of Jefferson).

The video features one of the climate modelers, who is countered by others. The climate modeler is very proud of his supercomputer.

About half way, the documentary shifts to a focus on the technologies that can reduce greenhouse gas emissions. This is part of the story not usually seen in this debate. It’s a positive view of technology that can reduce emissions.

Kyoto is dismissed as a job killer and joke that the Europeans are not even complying with. Russia is not pressured under Kyoto because they provide much of Europe’s oil. Even so, the Russians signed on because of the carbon credits they can sell based on doing nothing with Siberia. Other European leaders are on record stating that Kyoto and the environmental debate is about leveling the industrial economic playing field (i.e., making Europe more competitive) and about global governance.

The fear about hurricanes? According to the National Hurricane Center’s Chris Landsea, global warming will only increase hurricane activity 5%... in 100 years. Hurricanes tend to go in cycles of activity lasting 25 to 40 years. The last quiet period was from 1970 to 1994. A lot of coastal development will be at risk as cyclical hurricane activity increases. When hurricanes that are no stronger than they were 50 years ago hit the coast, the damage is worse because the infrastructure is greater.

Link (http://www.dailymotion.com/VladimirLenin/video/xoo7a_global-warming-the-debate-continues_school)


I'll post more later if anyone's interested.

[royc]

As a HAM radio operator I pay attention to sun spots. The sun has been very active for a number of years. Oddly enough as the temperatures are decreasing so is the sun spot activity. Shhhh...don't tell Al.

Yea, you can get some good propagation when the cycle is high. I remember in the early 70's when I started in the radio hobby, and used to sell CB's in J.C Penny's automotive dept, the skip was so intense you couldnt talk 2 miles locally, but had no problems talking statewide, and even overseas.

The sun controlls our climate and always will, unless we nuke ourself to hell and cause a real man made climate change. There are some who pray for such times, because it will fullfill their insane wish for "End Times in their lifetime.

73's

Roy

[whec720]

If you would really like to learn about climate change, I recommend the following videos. In general, these provide an alternative view to Gore’s “consensus” on anthropogenic (i.e., man caused) global warming (AGW). A few of these videos have been broadcast in the United States (e.g., Glenn Beck, John Stossel), but most have not and probably will not be seen. Fortunately, we have the Internet to make these available.


Part I: Documentaries

Great Global Warming Swindle (1:13:32)
If there’s only one video to watch, this is it. The Great Global Warming Swindle was a documentary aired on British Channel 4. It’s unlikely it will ever be shown in the U.S. The video is a terrific response to Al Gore’s slide show movie and has stirred up green activists like little else.

In the film, Patrick Moore, who was a Greenpeace co-founder, summed up the state of environmental activism today. He said, “Because world communism failed, the wall came down, and a lot of peaceniks and political activists moved into the environmental movement bringing their neo-marxism with them and learned to use green language in a very clever way to cloak agendas that actually have more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalization than they do anything with ecology or science.”

This video has aroused the ire of environmentalists. As a result, it seems to disappear every few days. Fortunately, someone always reloads it, so if you can’t find it at the link below, try a Google or alltheweb.com video search for “Great Global Warming Swindle.”

When you find it, download a copy to keep by pasting the link into KeepVid (http://www.keepvid.com). This saves the video as a flash video (flv). There are several software products that can convert this to avi, mpeg, or wmv formats. One of the best is Super © and, even better, it’s freeware. You can see the main page here, but it’s difficult to navigate through the site (http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html), so you might just want to download direct (http://www.erightsoft.com/Superdc.html).

Watch the Great Global Warming Swindle (http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-4123082535546754758)


Global Warming Doomsday Called Off (43:59)
This Canadian Broadcasting Corporation documentary will probably never be aired in the U.S. It systematically takes apart the infamous “hockey stick” chart by Michael Mann, which represented bad science when first published and, after being thoroughly refuted, represents science fraud when republished (it appears to have disappeared from the latest IPCC report, though the chart showing the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age from the first IPCC assessment has not returned). Of course, Mann's been trying to resurrect it over the past year.

Link 1 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295)

Link 2 (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/global%2Bwarming/video/xor8w_global-warming-doomsday-called-off)


An Inconvenient Truth… Or Convenient Fiction
This documentary was produced by the Pacific Research Institute and features Steven Hayward, who writes the annual Index of Leading Environmental Indicators, which consistently finds things are getting better, not worse. Hayward is an optimist about the environment and says that the environment is much too important to be left in the hands of environmentalists. This is the only video where I’ve seen anyone address the absurd economic assumptions in the IPCC assessment reports (e.g., North Korea catches up to the U.S. in per capita in the year 2100 – not the U.S. per capita income in 2010, but the U.S. per capita income in 2100).

Part 1 (21:42) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6811621718806539208&q=An+Inconvenient+Truth+...+or+Convenient+Fiction% 3F)

Part 2 (25:48) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8680553475303217901&q=An+Inconvenient+Truth+...+or+Convenient+Fiction% 3F)


Megafreeze (43:53)
What if temperature is driven by solar activity it gets cold during the next solar cycle or two as some are projecting? The History Channel ran a documentary of the sudden climate change and subsequent impact of the cold from the Little Ice Age. This is truly frightening climate change, based on factual history, not theoretical models of complex systems. Yet, the History Channel tends to bow to the mainstream, politically correct views, so 30 minutes into the video it shifts to blaming man for causing future global cooling from global warming. The nod to politically correct anthropogenic climate change keeps the producers from getting the Durkin treatment.

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=806936648864838201)


Greenhouse Conspiracy (51:49)
This is another British Channel 4 documentary. This one aired in 1990. It shows the errors in land weather stations from the urban heat island effect...

http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/peterson_CA_UHI.gif

...and takes apart the climate models (Steve McIntyre also does this in very convincing fashion on his website (http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1859)). It also points out the benefits of increased levels of CO2, showing a research study where trees in a greenhouse with 1,000 ppm of CO2 flourish, compared to trees in a greenhouse with atmospheric levels of CO2.

The video notes that a 1974 television documentary and book, The Weather Machine, claimed we were heading into an ice age.

An amusing part of the film deals with the temperature flip flops of Stephen Schneider, one of the vocal proponents of the theory of AGW. Schneider was asked about the global cooling panic in the 1970s. He said, “People where talking about global cooling 15 years ago, but not everybody. I was one who was not sure.”

The guy interviewing him whips out Schneider’s first books and reads his own words: “I have cited many examples of recent climatic variability and repeated the warnings of several well-known climatologists that a cooling trend has set in – perhaps one akin to the Little Ice Age.”

Schneider responded, “I said that at the time because it was true.”

A classic was when Stephen Schneider said, “I don’t put much stock in looking at direct evidence.” Maybe this explains why his website continues to tout the discredited Mann hockey stick.

The video does an excellent job on how money affects the debate (or lack thereof).

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5949034802461518010)


John Stossel on Global Warming
ABC’s John Stossel shows how Al Gore’s slide show is scaring kid. You gotta ask, “Does he feel no shame?” Uh, no.

Stossel then shows how there is disagreement, but at a price to those who disagree. It’s not just an academic price, but death threats. Seriously. Watch the video.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI)

Alternate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNIgzZm66bE)

Alternate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOvCCTEfypk)


Exposed: The Climate of Fear (41:33)
This is Glenn Beck’s CNN special on global warming. He points out many of the flaws in Kyoto and how the IPCC exaggerates. Next Danish economist Bjorn Lomborg is interviewed. Lomborg nails the poor return on trying to do something about global warming compared to many of our other problems. For example, we get $40 of benefit for every dollar spent on HIV/AIDS, compared to $0.30 for every $1 spent on climate change.

Beck shows how scientists with alternative views about global warming are bullied, threatened, and starved of funding. This is the climate of fear from the segment’s title.

Patrick Moore makes an appearance and mentions the Oregon Petition Project (http://www.oism.org/pproject/), which is a document signed by 31,000 scientists and meteorologists who disagree with the premise of the Kyoto Treaty, the U.N. IPCC Assessment Reports, and Gore’s movie; so much for consensus. Beck didn’t show the text of it. Here it is:

“We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

John Christy then takes apart Gore’s dramatic report of the “Snows of Kilimanjaro, which were half gone when Hemmingway wrote the book. So how is that the result of climate change? It’s not.

Next, Beck goes after Mann’s infamous Hockey Stick, the relationship of CO2 and temperature, sea level rise, etc. Beck says Al Gore’s best supporting actor is, “if.” If this were to happen…

Beck follows the money. AGW proponents claim any opposition must be oil funded. Nonsense, says Chris Horner, author of the “Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming” (great book, by the way). However, we spend more money on global warming research than cancer research. Wait! More on global warming than cancer? Yes.

Horner then describes the process the IPCC follows. The politicians write the Summary For Policy Makers BEFORE the scientific report is written. The scientists must then make the science fit the politicians and bureaucrats’ summary.

Watch it. It’s good.

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7221788764767175476)


Climate Catastrophe Cancelled
This is a revision to the Canadian Friends of Science video that accounts for the latest information on Solar Cycle 24 and how sun spots create solar wind, which deflects supernova generated cosmic rays, which cause low level cloud formation, which reflect sun and generates cooling. A lot of sun spots means a lot of solar wind and warming. Within limits, the amplitude of a solar cycle (i.e., the number of sun spots) is based on the length of the previous solar cycle or two. Solar Cycle 24, which has just begun, looks to be a weak cycle. This is reflected by the current, cold winter.

The video also features Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, who took apart Mann’s hockey stick. The absence of Arctic ice was addressed. In 1906, the ice cleared and a Norwegian made the Northwest Passage. The benefits of CO2 on plant growth is noted. The latest research by Ernst Beck (http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/archives/003893.html) shows that CO2 over the last 200 years has twice risen above levels currently present in the atmosphere and is quietly stirring up discussion in the physics community (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=163931).

Part 1 (9:46) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uC4mwiRPks)

Part 2 (9:57) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWnLqmD534w)

Part 3 (10:15) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O6kF0wK3G8)


Global Warming: The Debate Continues (39:53)
This is the complete documentary video of the Fox special. John Christy and Roy Spencer, who collect the satellite temperature, downplayed the concerns about global warming noting that much more than CO2 affects climate, and that the cause and effect isn’t present.

Patrick Michaels notes that Thomas Jefferson wrote that he was concerned about climate change (i.e., the world was emerging from the Little Ice Age during the time of Jefferson).

The video features one of the climate modelers, who is countered by others. The climate modeler is very proud of his supercomputer.

About half way, the documentary shifts to a focus on the technologies that can reduce greenhouse gas emissions. This is part of the story not usually seen in this debate. It’s a positive view of technology that can reduce emissions.

Kyoto is dismissed as a job killer and joke that the Europeans are not even complying with. Russia is not pressured under Kyoto because they provide much of Europe’s oil. Even so, the Russians signed on because of the carbon credits they can sell based on doing nothing with Siberia. Other European leaders are on record stating that Kyoto and the environmental debate is about leveling the industrial economic playing field (i.e., making Europe more competitive) and about global governance.

The fear about hurricanes? According to the National Hurricane Center’s Chris Landsea, global warming will only increase hurricane activity 5%... in 100 years. Hurricanes tend to go in cycles of activity lasting 25 to 40 years. The last quiet period was from 1970 to 1994. A lot of coastal development will be at risk as cyclical hurricane activity increases. When hurricanes that are no stronger than they were 50 years ago hit the coast, the damage is worse because the infrastructure is greater.

Link (http://www.dailymotion.com/VladimirLenin/video/xoo7a_global-warming-the-debate-continues_school)


I'll post more later if anyone's interested.

Wow, matt, great post. I've been going through links the last hour and a half and am still not done yet. Very educational and thought provoking. I especially like the CBC documentary on the "hockey stick" theory....or....er....I mean fact (Can't afford an audit.....total Democrat fascist control of the country soon).:o:D

[Tool-Slinger]

Wow, matt, great post. I've been going through links the last hour and a half and am still not done yet. Very educational and thought provoking. I especially like the CBC documentary on the "hockey stick" theory....or....er....I mean fact (Can't afford an audit.....total Democrat fascist control of the country soon).:o:D
That post is pretty intense.

[matt michel]

Part II: Lectures

Australia’s James Cook University’s Geology Professor Bob Carter Lecture
This is an excellent presentation about global warming. Carter’s a great presenter and puts the current temperature rise in context of the geological record. Then, to use Carter’s term, he fires “torpedo” after “torpedo” into the global warming ship. He’s the first guy I’ve seen to point out that the recent temperature record doesn’t have enough data points for statistical significance.

Carter describes MIT professor, Richard Lindzen’s Iris Effect, which essentially makes the case that the climate is largely self-regulating through the way clouds form. Carter also notes how CO2’s greenhouse forcing is logarithmic so that there’s a diminishing marginal impact from CO2 (i.e., less and less impact from more CO2 until additional CO2 largely has no impact at all, which describes current levels). Carter also shows the errors in the models and measurements.

Carter’s not exaggerating. James Hansen at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS)was forced to correct the recent temperature record (http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/cold-hard-facts-take-the-heat-out-of-some-hot-claims/2007/08/17/1186857765035.html?page=fullpage), which resulted in downward temperature revisions (http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1880). GISS quietly made the changes, claiming they were insignificant. NOAA didn’t get the word, and proclaimed 2006 as the hottest year ever (and Dewey defeated Truman). According to a report by Steve McIntyre (http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1885), there are still problems, which seem to flatten out the 1930s temperature data vis-à-vis the raw data. It’s impossible to know exactly what Hansen and GISS are doing since they refuse to release their algorithms and models. Certainly Hansen’s temperature adjustment models do not represent a threat to national security or to anyone’s individual liberty, so as someone working for the taxpayers, Hansen’s unwillingness to subject his work to public scrutiny should be seen as appalling. As bad as the U.S. data seems at times, it’s far better than world records where there appears to be much more of an impact from the urban heat island effect. McIntyre does a good job showing this.

The urban heat island effect is real and apparent when the rural temperature records are subtracted from the temperature records of major cities (http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1859). The Surface Stations (http://surfacestations.org/) project shows how the record can become corrupted by station sighting, instrumentation, paint, surface, and other errors. A look at the temperature records from rural stations around the world (http://www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm), further suggests the potential for wide scale corruption of the world temperature record due to the urban heat island effect.

Isn’t this corrected? Not enough. The IPCC discounts the urban heat island effect based on the purportedly fraudulent research conducted by Wei-Chyung Wang (http://www.informath.org/pubs/EnE07a.pdf). In short, the land surface record is simply fraught with errors and unfit to base major decisions upon. When Carter discusses this, it sounds unbelievable that the IPCC could be so sloppy, but a little time digging through available research shows Carter is not exaggerating.

Part 1 (9:49) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI)

Part 2 (8:40) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8)

Part 3 (8:29) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY)

Part 4 (9:34) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno)


Past & Future Climate Change
This is a video of climate researcher David Archibald’s presentation at the Lavoisier Conference in Melbourne, Australia during the summer of 2007, the same one where Bob Carter spoke.

Archibald looks at an average of rural U.S. temperature measuring stations that shows temperature cooler in the last half of the 20th century than the first half. You may not have seen that, but it’s not an exaggeration. Lots of rural stations fail to show much warming (http://www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm). Archibald points out that the satellite data since 1979 shows a slight increase in the northern hemisphere and no change in the southern hemisphere. The latest satellite data shows a definite cooling trend over the past ten years.

What’s frightening about Archibald’s presentation is the solar cycles. There does appear to be a correlation between solar activity and temperature. Furthermore, for advocates of the precursor method of solar cycle prediction like Archibald, we may be heading into a cooling period. The latest NASA prediction is that the new solar cycle will be weak (http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/SC24/Pesnell.ppt#325,11,Slide%11).

Part 1 (9:21) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDX2ExKYyqw)

Part 2 (8:53) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP4mYcrd_18)

Part 3 (9:35) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAUdDLTLXGU)

Part 4 (4:30) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDiJyr0TK6E)

If you’re having trouble following Archibald, try this abbreviated version (9:34) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbAe_g41Zl4) where someone has helpfully edited the video to add highlights to the graphs so you can follow Archibald.

If Archibald’s theory is correct (i.e., fewer sunspots means cooling) and NASA’s projection for the amplitude of Solar Cycle 24 (i.e., fewer sunspots) is correct, the next decade or so will offer some great skiing weather. To date, the sun has been quiet and the temperature has dropped.


Marlo Lewis Critiques Al Gore’s Movie On C-SPAN 2
Lewis says the movie is a computer enhanced lawyer’s brief for alarm and energy rationing. Lewis says Gore plays “lawyerly tricks” with the evidence.

Part 1 (30:10) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8962029509133322828&hl=en)

Part 2 (19:37) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8331667895569646104&hl=en)

Part 3 (12:07) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3854286977297911526&hl=en)


Solar Cycles Impact On Climate (33:19)
This is a video of a lecture by Dr. Tim Patterson, Professor of Geology from Carleton University. He conducted research of sediment in Effingham Inlet on Vancouver Island in British Columbia and some other BC fiords with stable sediment records. The sediment produces a high quality climate record stretching back thousands of years. In the lecture he shows how the different solar cycles affect climate.

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8668666223073644839)


Bjorn Lomborg on Priorities (17:27)
Lomborg is the Danish economist who studied environmental statistics and discovered that things are a lot better than people think. This made him an enemy of other environmentalists (he’s an environmentalist himself).

Next, Lomborg started the Copenhagen Consensus of leading world economists to look at the biggest problems in the world and the cost of solving them. They then prioritized the solutions. Guess where global warming wound up compared to issues like malaria, AIDS, etc.? Watch this video and see for yourself.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs)


Dennis Avery Lecture (31:04)
Avery co-wrote the book, “Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1,500 Years.” This lecture, sponsored by the Heartland Institute, was given in November 2006 in Chicago. It’s voice over slides on video, which makes it a little tough to follow, especially since Avery speaks slowly and distinctly. However, it’s worth watching because it’s a straight forward presentation with clear logical explanation of things occurring in the past and today, plus things not occurring (e.g., species extinction).

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTGBcVi7n0o)


Senator Inhofe Discusses Gore’s Movie (4:41)
In this short lecture before a Senate committee, Inhofe calls Gore’s movie one of the slickest propaganda films of all time. He notes that the Associated Press contacted 100 scientists about the movie, but could only find five who saw it and agreed with it. Eighty didn’t watch it. Inhofe then proceeds to note a few of the many errors and falsehoods in the video.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VgdYJWdhRw)


The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming
Chris Horner, author of the book of the same name, gives a lecture about his book before the Eagle Forum on C-SPAN2. Horner is a good speaker and his book is excellent, but this presentation is better listened to than watched. Listen through earbuds while doing something else on your machine or download this and convert it to an MP3 file for your portable media player.

Horner takes apart the 20 foot rise in temperature, saying it came from James Hansen during an August Senate testimony. According to Horner, Tim Wurth admitted on PBS Frontline that the August day for the testimony was picked on purpose so that Hansen would be wiping sweat off his brow.

Horner does do a good job talking about how surface temperatures jumped after the collapse of the Soviet Union, when thousands of Siberian weather stations were shut down.

He deals with the notion of glaciers calving. Glaciers are not melting. They calve when there’s a build up of ice on the interior.

Next he mentions how the other planets in the Solar System are warming. What do they have in common with Earth?

Horner expected Bush to sign or do something stupid before he left office so that he could protect his immediate legacy. Presumably (and unfortunately), this meant something worse than banning the incandescent light bulb, like the McCain/Warner/Lieberman travesty of legislation that was blocked. Unfortunately, it probably won't be next time.

Part 1 (9:31) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z04XMXc7zJg)

Part 2 (10:08) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6kG-tFDthk)

Part 3 (5:20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAzcsYluUSM)

Part 4 (8:33) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08guZIdYY88)


The Problems With Cap & Trade (9:20)
Kenneth Green points out the pitfalls of a carbon cap and trade system. It’s all false economics and prone to cheating.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l43JHQ5cqY)


The Global Warming Myth (18:50)
After a painful introduction by George Gilder (which is unfortunately because Gilder is a brilliant supply side economist and visionary who helped give energy to the Reagan Revolution), Noah Robinson, a Cal-Tech Ph.D. systematically disassembles AGW theory. He starts with the Sargasso Sea temperature record, which has present temperatures at the 3,000 year average. The Sargasso is part of the Atlantic and the temperature record is reconstructed by measuring isotope ratios by marine organisms that accumulate at the bottom of the sea (I think).

Robinson then shows the number of geological papers that confirm the presence of the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warming Period (discrediting Mann's Hockey Stick and the entire premise that recent warming must be anthropogenic). He takes on the cry that the glaciers are receding, the glaciers are receding. They are, says Robinson, but it started in the middle of the 19th century, long before man could have made much of an impact on atmospheric CO2. Sea level rises are similar.

Robinson shows how temperature during the last century rose, fell, and is now rising. When temperature was falling, the fear was a new ice age might start.

One of the charts I think compells us to yawn at the recent warming. It shows how small the warming has been compared to daily and seasonal temperature swings. Then Robinson shows the tight correlation between temperature and solar activity.

Robinson notes (not strongly enough) that CO2 is released when oceans warm. He does a good job showing that increased levels of CO2 is beneficial from an agricultural standpoint.

Link (http://www.discovery.org/v/30)

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