Pesky fuses

[Steve Wiggins]

http://www.hvacloads.com/talkpics/wall/MVC-034S.jpg
Who needs those pesky fuses? All they do is cause trouble, just bypass them if they're bad.

[Edited by Boss on 12-28-2003 at 09:57 PM]

[smurphy]

looks like a comfortmaker. I've got two comfortmakers on a contract customers roof with fuses like this. Where did you happen to find a replacement fuse.

[RoBoTeq]

He didn't. That's the point. He just rewired it.

[Steve Wiggins]

That is how I found it and that is how I left it. The owner didn't want to have it fixed. I guess if its not broke why fix it?

This repair was one of many that I found in this ICP electric heat package unit. I recommended numerous other repairs be done but only a few were approved. I guess they had their maintenance man fix the rest.....who knows?

[Carnak]

How could you leave it like that?

[rayr]

How are you going to fix it if nobody will pay for the repair??

[condenseddave]

Why does Steve do a photojournalism project on EVERY SINGLE service call?????

[Ruzac]

Originally posted by condenseddave
Why does Steve do a photojournalism project on EVERY SINGLE service call?????

It's because he's actually a psychiatrist doing phyc profiles on all of us, by our posts and responses.
You never know when one of us might snap and start shooting people randomly and playing with the police.

[The Penguin]

we have a smoker in our crew and he likes to use the foil out of the cigerette pack for a fuse (control 24v) when he blows them which is quite frequently

Ah Rusac I don't think thats funny at. all bad taste Dude!

[mrhvacmechanic]

I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE!!!! BUT IN NYC THEY WOULD HAVE USED A 7/8 PIECE OF COPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!

[30+yeartech]

That's because they R smarter up there. he ha he ha

[slimwoodie]

the copper tube is rated for 2000 amps, the wire is only good for a couple hundred amps .....

[Chill]

Looks like they where giving it the smoke test.

[faith]

Steve;

Thank you, for your photojournalistic approach to “issue” documentation. It is greatly appreciated! “A picture is worth a thousand words” is truly brought home in your stellar examples, please keep up the good work. One item you might consider is including a “scale” object in each photo such as a 6-inch rule or a 50-cent piece. There may possibly be HO's and newbies viewing the image and a scale serves to provide perspective. Again, many thanks for the enlightenment!

[30+yeartech]

Steve...

I do the same thing...I take lots of pictures....because like they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words"
The pictures help me with my reports.

CYA is an important thing you know!

[junkiegolfer]

Im certainly not an expert or even an amature "wire" guy, but uh someone throw me a bone here. Are those fuses ALL completely bipassed? Did someone just rig the fuses out of the system?

This can't be. There are not this kind of people out there. Plz just a bone here.

[so.cal.a/c]

(fuse) yep

[troytech]

If you left the system running that way if the building burns down because of it it's now the responsibly of the last co. to work on it. you should have at least disconnected it and if they didn't want to repair it at least you could have slept at night

[Steve Wiggins]

disabling equipment is not legal in my state

[texair]

Steve Wiggins said "disabling equipment is not legal in my state'

What law/rule says that?

[condenseddave]

Originally posted by texair
Steve Wiggins said "disabling equipment is not legal in my state'

What law/rule says that?

Yeah. What he said.

[pulaskihvacr]

I had a guy tell me in a lock-out class I was teaching one time that fuses came in a 50' roll.

[HVAC Pro]

Reason #208/230 not to purchase equipment made in BFE. :)

[Senior Tech]

Originally posted by troytech
If you left the system running that way if the building burns down because of it it's now the responsibly of the last co. to work on it. you should have at least disconnected it and if they didn't want to repair it at least you could have slept at night
Back to your law books newbie...in my state IT IS ILLEGAL to disconnect even...yes, believe it....a furnace with a cracked heat exchanger...

[dschwab9]

Originally posted by senior tech
in my state IT IS ILLEGAL to disconnect even...yes, believe it....a furnace with a cracked heat exchanger...

I hope it's also illegal for the homeowner to sue you after it kills a few people.

[Senior Tech]

They are asked to sign a release stating they have been advised of the dangers and should not run the unit, if they refuse to sign it's documented...2 technicians witness as it is required by company policy that a cracked heat exchanger must be confirmed by 2nd technician...in our area we have had successful lawsuits in the homeowners favor for turning the gas supply off to the unit...even with a crack or other dangers involved....right or wrong...you can't win sometimes.

[cxagent]

Originally posted by junkiegolfer
Im certainly not an expert or even an amature "wire" guy, but uh someone throw me a bone here. Are those fuses ALL completely bipassed? Did someone just rig the fuses out of the system?

This can't be. There are not this kind of people out there. Plz just a bone here.


Here's your bone -
From what I see only one of the three phase fuses has been bypassed. It might still be safe - As long as nothing goes to ground. If anything on that circuit gets shorted to ground, the current limit on that phase is likely to be when that wire melts. That's not the way I want to protect people/buildings/ equipment.

I'm just guessing here but, as far as the lawsuits - it is probably NOT a law passed by the city/county/state/etc. It is probably "case law". That is where one judge decides a case on the facts involved in that case and other lawyers start using that decision as justification for suing other people. That keeps the lawyers busy even if it hurts everybody else. You can flame me now if I've guessed wrong.

[bb]

Originally posted by senior tech

Originally posted by troytech
If you left the system running that way if the building burns down because of it it's now the responsibly of the last co. to work on it. you should have at least disconnected it and if they didn't want to repair it at least you could have slept at night
Back to your law books newbie...in my state IT IS ILLEGAL to disconnect even...yes, believe it....a furnace with a cracked heat exchanger...

That doesn't stop you from reporting it to the gas co. or code enforcement.