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sharkytm
12-27-2008, 12:08 AM
I've contracted a local heating/plumbing company (really only one guy, but I'm ok with that, he's been responsive to calls on weekends and at night) to replace an old oil-fired boiler that has lived a 26-year life, and is in need of replacement (it was fine in the summer, but can't keep the coil hot enough for the cold months). My house is in the Northeast, 2000sqft, and currently has 2 zones. I've just added cell. insulation into the attic to reach ~R-60 up there, and the main house is 2x6, and is insulated pretty well. The heating system is hydronic baseboard. I'm moving to gas for several reasons, which he agreed with. I've gotten a bunch of great references, and I trust him more than any of the other 4 I called.

My original choice, from research here and elsewhere, was the HTP Munchkin Contender (a MC-120, which goes down to 44K, and has a SS316 HX), and a HTP SuperStor Ultra 45G for my DWH. We talked it over, and found that the gas company was offering the Burnham Freedom (120K down to 40K and has an AL HX) for about $2500 less than he could get the Contender. I looked at the specs, and like the slightly lower minimum firing rate. We agreed on it. The pricing was a little higher than others, but he was willing to come out and talk to me on weekends and after work, which is critical to me. (I'm not home during the day, and I'm gone for many weeks in the summer)

I've already ordered the Freedom, its arrived, and he's mounted it. He's run the gas lines, and has started designing the piping. However, it seems that he's never installed this exact model before, and is running into some snags. First of all, he claims that the circulator is under-sized, and he needed to order a larger one. This doesn't feel right to me, and I'm worried that he's in over his head and not telling me.

Anyhow, I know that the AL HX's are very sensitive to water pH, and that the water should be tested regularly. I know there are specific additives that must be/can't be added to the system.
Anything else I should know about this specific boiler?
Is there a question or two that I could ask that would show if he was in over his head, or knew what he was doing with this modcon boiler?

I'm also slightly afraid that he oversized the boiler for the house (as most do), as he didn't do a heat-loss calc. Should I have him do one before the boiler is actually installed?


Thanks in advance.

jwiehagen76
12-27-2008, 12:49 AM
Heat loss should have been the first thing to be done to determine what is needed. When sizing a circulator you should have a piping diagram and general layout this will tell you what size circulator is needed. sounds like your contractor is aware of this and is taking the necessary precautions to do it right. If you think something is wrong you should ask your contractor.

beenthere
12-27-2008, 07:23 AM
Load calc should have been done before boiler was ordered.

How many total feet of baseboard element does your house have.

Most manufacturers, just send the most common(cheapest) circ with the boiler.
Doesn't mean its anywhere close to being the right one. Sounds like he's on the right track.

hotwaterworld
12-27-2008, 11:11 AM
1st, yes a heat loss should have been done. 2nd, My guess is you could have easily gone with a 60k unit. Be that said, you would probably have wanted to go to larger indirect water heater then depending on # of people in your household. I have a 110 TT prestige boiler in my house with the SSU 45 indirect. Not as well insulated as your house by any means. If your house is only one or 2 zones, I would bet that the included circulator will do the baseboard all day long. Depending what your low temp design is there, ?? maybe 0 as a guess, I would probably opt for the smaller boiler if heat loss proves so and maybe the ssu60 tank. Just an opinion, Tim