the return of LSD

[acmanko]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081207/ap_on_he_me/med_brain_pills
its really the only brain drug out there, more Nobel Prizes on the way

[Snoring Beagle]

Better living through chemistry!

[bootlen]

Well...that certainly explains a lot.

[Twilly]

Twilli used to do LSD

[WhoIsThat?]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmetic_pharmacology

[The Doctor]

Where is Albert Hoffmann?

What ever happened to just finding the Southwest U.S. desert areas even more interesting? Or just plain old shrooms? I mean, what's with the rat poison?
Better grades?

[bootlen]

I think AC likes the way it tastes.

[acmanko]

I think AC likes the way it tastes.
shromes taste awful, unless you drink the kool-aide:cool:

[bootlen]

shromes taste awful, unless you drink the kool-aide:cool:

I wouldn't know. Care to share your experiences?

[acmanko]

I wouldn't know. Care to share your experiences? just imagine Yosemite Sam and Bugs Bunny, alive and in a room with you.

[bootlen]

just imagine Yosemite Sam and Bugs Bunny, alive and in a room with you.

It'd be easier to imagine Goofy & Daffy Duck. We have customers like that. Would that work?

[acmanko]

It'd be easier to imagine Goofy & Daffy Duck. We have customers like that. Would that work?If thats what you are readind at the time, its like Puff, the Magic Dragon

[k-fridge]

I think AC likes the way it tastes.

I've always figured that LSD is the reason AC posts like he does. :p

[acmanko]

I've always figured that LSD is the reason AC posts like he does. :p
Heh, I was young and there was a war that needed protesting.

[hvacker]

I read an article about this in the paper. No one mentions addiction.
I don't know what class of drug Ritalin is but I know kids given Ritalin are sometimes prescribed dexedrine which is an amphetamine in the same class as methedrine and can be very addictive in people that don't need it for medical reasons like narcolepsy.
See how people deal with caffeine these days. Like by the quart. Think there's a chance of addiction?
At least psychoactive drugs weren't chemically addictive.

My wife buys me an herb called Ginkgo Biloba and DAME ( don't make me spell it) to save my brain. Do you think my brain's worth saving?

[acmanko]

I read an article about this in the paper. No one mentions addiction.
I don't know what class of drug Ritalin is but I know kids given Ritalin are sometimes prescribed dexedrine which is an amphetamine in the same class as methedrine and can be very addictive in people that don't need it for medical reasons like narcolepsy.
See how people deal with caffeine these days. Like by the quart. Think there's a chance of addiction?
At least psychoactive drugs weren't chemically addictive.

My wife buys me an herb called Ginkgo Biloba and DAME ( don't make me spell it) to save my brain. Do you think my brain's worth saving?

Of course its worth saving. But Fish will do the same thing and some of it tastes good.

[mrs reb77]

The new National Health Care....drugs for everyone regardless of need! :D

Just because you ain't sick don't mean you don't need drugs! Someone has to support the drug companies you know. ;)

[RoBoTeq]

Where is Albert Hoffmann?

What ever happened to just finding the Southwest U.S. desert areas even more interesting? Or just plain old shrooms? I mean, what's with the rat poison?
Better grades?
Getting sick immediately from the shrooms or tearing up your stomach lining over a period of time.....hmmmm, tough choice. (my decision away back when to just do both:o)

[RoBoTeq]

Heh, I was young and there was a war that needed protesting.
I did not protest the war. What was my excuse?

[RoBoTeq]

I read an article about this in the paper. No one mentions addiction.
I don't know what class of drug Ritalin is but I know kids given Ritalin are sometimes prescribed dexedrine which is an amphetamine in the same class as methedrine and can be very addictive in people that don't need it for medical reasons like narcolepsy.
See how people deal with caffeine these days. Like by the quart. Think there's a chance of addiction?
At least psychoactive drugs weren't chemically addictive.

My wife buys me an herb called Ginkgo Biloba and DAME ( don't make me spell it) to save my brain. Do you think my brain's worth saving?
My wife, Lisa, kept buying me stuff like kinky bilooba and the such to improve my memory too. I kept forgetting to take it, so she gave up.

[Chris_Worthington]

I remember having lunch just last week with Timothy Leary discussing this very topic of LSD making a come back?? OR was that a flash back?? :D

[RoBoTeq]

I remember having lunch just last week with Timothy Leary discussing this very topic of LSD making a come back?? OR was that a flash back?? :D
Timothy Leary's dead.....no, no-no, no....he's on the outside; looking in....

[Chris_Worthington]

Timothy Leary's dead.....no, no-no, no....he's on the outside; looking in....

He lives forever, he planned it that way, look here he is still :D

http://www.leary.com/

[RoBoTeq]

He lives forever, he planned it that way, look here he is still :D

http://www.leary.com/
You do realize he is a government agent:confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLC-y3r66Ys

[bootlen]

I met Leary at what was referred to as a "love-in" at the park next to the Denver Zoo in late 1967. Got a couple of pics. Nice guy. Just lacked proper direction.

[acmanko]

:D:D
I met Leary at what was referred to as a "love-in" at the park next to the Denver Zoo in late 1967. Got a couple of pics. Nice guy. Just lacked proper direction.:D:D:eek:

[glennac]

I did not protest the war. What was my excuse?

Maybe you weren't a commie lover like some others.:)

[glennac]

I met Leary at what was referred to as a "love-in" at the park next to the Denver Zoo in late 1967. Got a couple of pics. Nice guy. Just lacked proper direction.

Give me a break boots, I never thought you would go to a hippie "love in". I had a hippie gal started talking to me while I was touring San Francisco in uniform (had a 24 hour lay over going back to Nam from a 4 week leave given to me for re-upping for a another tour of fun in Nam in late 69).

She wanted me to go with her to some gathering and she said I'd be welcome. I told her no but hell no. I figured it would have been something like out of "Forest Gump" at the peace rally.:eek::):D Shame on you Boots.

[acmanko]

Give me a break boots, I never thought you would go to a hippie "love in". I had a hippie gal started talking to me while I was touring San Francisco in uniform (had a 24 hour lay over going back to Nam from a 4 week leave given to me for re-upping for a another tour of fun in Nam in late 69).

She wanted me to go with her to some gathering and she said I'd be welcome. I told her no but hell no. I figured it would have been something like out of "Forest Gump" at the peace rally.:eek::):D Shame on you Boots.
well, in my opinion you should have went. you must have been one chicken-sh!t soldier if you were afraid of some strange snatch:D

[bootlen]

Give me a break boots, I never thought you would go to a hippie "love in". I had a hippie gal started talking to me while I was touring San Francisco in uniform (had a 24 hour lay over going back to Nam from a 4 week leave given to me for re-upping for a another tour of fun in Nam in late 69).

She wanted me to go with her to some gathering and she said I'd be welcome. I told her no but hell no. I figured it would have been something like out of "Forest Gump" at the peace rally.:eek::):D Shame on you Boots.

You underestimate me, Glenn. I was stationed at Lowery AFB outside of Denver and spent almost every weekend at the zoo, the Dever Museum of Natural History, or the park. I didn't crash THEIR party...they crashed mine. I had my camera and took some pics and took opportunity to meet him. We both stood "our ground" and parted agreeing to disagree. Not bad for a 19 year old if I say so myself.

Also had a lengthy conversation with a kid named Braun. He was about 18 or 19 and had a heavy German accent. He didn't know his own name by the time we got through.

BTW, I looked way out of place with my very short hair, plaid shirt, dress jeans, and loafers.

[coolwhip]

Hey Boots, were you one of those Christian bicycle riders as a kid handing out Jesus hand bills?:D

[acmanko]

I saw Booty dressed like a Hare Krisna, selling flowers and showing some shoulder to attract those love-in partners.:D

[RoBoTeq]

Maybe you weren't a commie lover like some others.:)
Funny you should put it that way. In my late teens I was a pretty imbedded part of the American hippie movement. I lived in a commune for a while, regestered as an Independant voter and went to peace rallies in DC.

It was my exposure to the peace rallies that made me aware of the fact that it was the American Communist Parties that were behind all of the youth movements anti-establishment rhetoric. Having been in the middle of the hype, right in our nation's capitol, I was able to see a resemblence of how the American Communists movement was doing the same thing in the U.S. that the Fascist Nazi movement did in Germany prior to WWII.

I was never comfortable with the anti-war movement other then we were in Vietnam for all of the wrong reasons. I refused to listen to any rhetoric about our soldiers being baby killers and the such because I also had many friends who were in Vietnam doing their perceived duty.

Within a two year span, I went from a rally attending, Independant voter to a move to the left including a change of voting status to the dreaded Republican. I still appreciated the desire for peace, but became rational as to the reality of being manipulated by those who would promise peace but provide political and social enslavement.

[RoBoTeq]

Give me a break boots, I never thought you would go to a hippie "love in". I had a hippie gal started talking to me while I was touring San Francisco in uniform (had a 24 hour lay over going back to Nam from a 4 week leave given to me for re-upping for a another tour of fun in Nam in late 69).

She wanted me to go with her to some gathering and she said I'd be welcome. I told her no but hell no. I figured it would have been something like out of "Forest Gump" at the peace rally.:eek::):D Shame on you Boots.
The social aspect of peace rallies and love ins was great!:p

I have slept on DC's Elipse grounds in front of the White House and bathed in the Boy Scout Memorial fountain. I still think we should make all of those publically funded fountains more useful to the public, especially in the heat of the summer;)

[RoBoTeq]

well, in my opinion you should have went. you must have been one chicken-sh!t soldier if you were afraid of some strange snatch:D
Very rare, but we are on the same page with this one mancow. Even today I still once in a while run into some woman I don't remember having sex with during that time of my life:rolleyes:

[hvacker]

While stationed in England we would run into people in Oxford we called Ban the Bombers. They wore pins today called peace sings but really represented the anti nuke movement that also had a lot of european support.
I knew this one guy fairly well and he didn't seem the peace type. Once I asked him about why he went on the marches. He told me it was the easiest way to get laid.
That's called motivation.
Interesting also they were very tolerant of us.

[bootlen]

Hey Boots, were you one of those Christian bicycle riders as a kid handing out Jesus hand bills?:D

Nope. Those guys aren't Christians. And I didn't become a Christian till I was 30.

[bootlen]

I saw Booty dressed like a Hare Krisna, selling flowers and showing some shoulder to attract those love-in partners.:D

That wasn't me. That was Geerair.

That LSD really affected you, huh?

[acmanko]

That wasn't me. That was Geerair.

That LSD really affected you, huh?
could be, but the way you are infatuated with Geer leads me to believe he was there with you.:D

[bootlen]

could be, but the way you are infatuated with Geer leads me to believe he was there with you.:D

Infatuation? Not even in the same area code. But ya gotta admit, geer is hard to forget. Something along the line of appendicitis.

[glennac]

well, in my opinion you should have went. you must have been one chicken-sh!t soldier if you were afraid of some strange snatch:D

BS ace. I tried to get a "date" with her but she insisted that I come with her and meet some of her "friends". Well I didn't care to meet with a bunch of hippies especially in uniform since I could be court marshaled for going to some "peace rally" in uniform not that I would ever go anyhow. I got my share but just wasn't that desperate. Thank you very much.

[acmanko]

:D:D
BS ace. I tried to get a "date" with her but she insisted that I come with her and meet some of her "friends". Well I didn't care to meet with a bunch of hippies especially in uniform since I could be court marshaled for going to some "peace rally" in uniform not that I would ever go anyhow. I got my share but just wasn't that desperate. Thank you very much.
;):D

[glennac]

Funny you should put it that way. In my late teens I was a pretty imbedded part of the American hippie movement. I lived in a commune for a while, regestered as an Independant voter and went to peace rallies in DC.

It was my exposure to the peace rallies that made me aware of the fact that it was the American Communist Parties that were behind all of the youth movements anti-establishment rhetoric. Having been in the middle of the hype, right in our nation's capitol, I was able to see a resemblence of how the American Communists movement was doing the same thing in the U.S. that the Fascist Nazi movement did in Germany prior to WWII.

I was never comfortable with the anti-war movement other then we were in Vietnam for all of the wrong reasons. I refused to listen to any rhetoric about our soldiers being baby killers and the such because I also had many friends who were in Vietnam doing their perceived duty...................

What's all this "perceived duty" all about? Fighting against a commie takeover should be the duty of every red blooded American. Please explain.

Also why did you become a hippie? Were your parents Bohemian or what? Perhaps where you went to school they were already filling your heads with BS. When I went to school we were taught to be proud of our country and of the South were we were raised. The NEA hadn't destroyed to schools yet in the 50's in the South. We were proud Americans and Southerns back then. None of my friends ever liked the hippies and we considered them the enemy of America and or way of life. I guess it was how you were raised and where and when back then. Oh I am curious though how you went that route? Would like to know.

[RoBoTeq]

What's all this "perceived duty" all about? Fighting against a commie takeover should be the duty of every red blooded American. Please explain.

Also why did you become a hippie? Were your parents Bohemian or what? Perhaps where you went to school they were already filling your heads with BS. When I went to school we were taught to be proud of our country and of the South were we were raised. The NEA hadn't destroyed to schools yet in the 50's in the South. We were proud Americans and Southerns back then. None of my friends ever liked the hippies and we considered them the enemy of America and or way of life. I guess it was how you were raised and where and when back then. Oh I am curious though how you went that route? Would like to know.
I'm not going to get into the argument over the Communist scare that got us into Vietnam, but just remember; we lost that conflict, the Communists took over like they were going to do if we had never become involved, and Communism did not spread throughout the world as was predicted. Our soldiers did what they were told to do and for the most part, they did it as well as they were allowed to. That does not make the reason for us being there right.

As for why I was a hippie....WOW! I mean,,,,I've met you and I know you have two eyes, so how in the world can you be so narrow minded?

My dad was a Merchant Marine who periodically went on runs to Vietnam (even had one ship he was on hit a mine and had to be towed to Japan). My mom was a bit of a flake, but more conservative then liberal. I attended one of the roughest White public Junior High Schools in the Baltimore area (teachers knifed, etc.) and one of the most conservative High Schools in the country (Baltimore Polytechnic Institute). So, none of your bigoted training movies on hippies were even close to being true, now were they?:rolleyes:

I was a restless youth who hated being manipulated. When I could not get the truth from adults I was associated with or the government, I checked things out for myself. That led to a lot of drug experimentation which led to being around a lot of hippy types. Add being able to have sex with lots of women to the mix and what was there not to like about being a hippy?

I remember closed minded Fascists who felt they had the right to tell me how I should behave very well. After getting my butt kicked a few times by Neanderthals, I made the decision that I believed in peace, but don't f*#k with me. What a surprise it was for the next few Joe Colleges and beerheads who decided to mess with me to get beat down by some long haired sissy. Yea Glenn, I remember your type well. I would hope you would have realized what a Fascist pig you were back then;)

[RoBoTeq]

BS ace. I tried to get a "date" with her but she insisted that I come with her and meet some of her "friends". Well I didn't care to meet with a bunch of hippies especially in uniform since I could be court marshaled for going to some "peace rally" in uniform not that I would ever go anyhow. I got my share but just wasn't that desperate. Thank you very much.
That was your first mistake; she didn't want to date you:rolleyes:. Most likely, she wanted to have you meet some of her friends who would have been cool with you and you would have gotten laid and been able to relax a bit. There were several "straights" (referring then to non-drug users) who hung around with the group I was with. No one tried to force anything on them. It was there if they wanted it, but there was no pressure. As long as our straight friends were cool with us, we were cool with them. That was before the drugs started becoming just another big business.

[glennac]

...............As for why I was a hippie....WOW! I mean,,,,I've met you and I know you have two eyes, so how in the world can you be so narrow minded?........... I checked things out for myself. That led to a lot of drug experimentation which led to being around a lot of hippy types. Add being able to have sex with lots of women to the mix and what was there not to like about being a hippy?............... Yea Glenn, I remember your type well. I would hope you would have realized what a Fascist pig you were back then;)

Hey robo that was not an attack on you but an honest question. You admitted you were a hippie and I asked why, and you get uptight. Well for your information hippies (not you personally) met a threat to me, my buddies and our way of life in the South. I will admit I was something of a neanderthal back then but we all were just like you were a hippie.

Now what do you mean I have two eyes. I can't read inside your head. I enjoyed our meeting and like you. I just honestly want to know why you went that way whereas me and all my friends were the other way so to speak. Gees, We weren't Fascist pigs just a bunch of good old boys not wanting "change" and I can't see that we benefited from the "change" either. Oh well just trying to set the record straight. The last couple of days everyone seems to be getting a little to uptight and I just want to tell how it was from my perspective back then. I guess I grew up in a time and place long gone now. Sin Loy about that.:)

[RoBoTeq]

Hey robo that was not an attack on you but an honest question. You admitted you were a hippie and I asked why, and you get uptight. Well for your information hippies (not you personally) met a threat to me, my buddies and our way of life in the South. I will admit I was something of a neanderthal back then but we all were just like you were a hippie.

Now what do you mean I have two eyes. I can't read inside your head. I enjoyed our meeting and like you. I just honestly want to know why you went that way whereas me and all my friends were the other way so to speak. Gees, We weren't Fascist pigs just a bunch of good old boys not wanting "change" and I can't see that we benefited from the "change" either. Oh well just trying to set the record straight. The last couple of days everyone seems to be getting a little to uptight and I just want to tell how it was from my perspective back then. I guess I grew up in a time and place long gone now. Sin Loy about that.:)
I enjoyed my youth (what little I can remember of it:confused:). Just like the nerds, the motorheads, the jocks and the JC's, those of us who went the hippie route were just doing our own thing. It was just a shame that some feel the need to attack the way others do their thing:rolleyes:

I look at youth today with the different color spiked hair, the body piercings and tattoos and slashed clothing and I think; "what the hell are these morons thinking?" Then I strike up conversations with them and realize that they are exactly the same as I was, just doing their thing even more absurdly.

There were a lot of good hippy types fighting along with every other type in Vietnam Glenn. They may have had their hair cut and their clothes may have looked like yours, but when they finished their tours of duty, they went back to being what was most comfortable for them....and that should be ok by you.

[glennac]

I enjoyed my youth (what little I can remember of it:confused:). Just like the nerds, the motorheads, the jocks and the JC's, those of us who went the hippie route were just doing our own thing. It was just a shame that some feel the need to attack the way others do their thing:rolleyes:

I look at youth today with the different color spiked hair, the body piercings and tattoos and slashed clothing and I think; "what the hell are these morons thinking?" Then I strike up conversations with them and realize that they are exactly the same as I was, just doing their thing even more absurdly.

There were a lot of good hippy types fighting along with every other type in Vietnam Glenn. They may have had their hair cut and their clothes may have looked like yours, but when they finished their tours of duty, they went back to being what was most comfortable for them....and that should be ok by you.

Sure anyone who did there part is ok with me. Didn't think much of the cowards who went to Canada and even less of Carter who pardoned them. The hippies along with the Beatles did help bring on the drug culture which is poison to us today though and some of the hippies did protest us and that stuck in our craw ever since. But all that was a long time ago and glad you got out of it.:)

PS what are JC's?

[RoBoTeq]

Sure anyone who did there part is ok with me. Didn't think much of the cowards who went to Canada and even less of Carter who pardoned them. The hippies along with the Beatles did help bring on the drug culture which is poison to us today though and some of the hippies did protest us and that stuck in our craw ever since. But all that was a long time ago and glad you got out of it.:)

PS what are JC's?
JC's were Joe College guys who were prim and proper with collared shirts and ties and short, neat haircuts. This is what I was forced to be like when I went to Polytechnic, which is why that did not work out for me:rolleyes:

The drug scene was around long before hippies. It is just that the beatniks and jazz scene were more underground where as hippies let it all hang out and wore hard to miss clothing.

I don't have any regrets for my hippie participation. I still like acid rock music, colorful clothes and if not for AIDS would probably be a pathetic old cruiser instead of a loyal and devout husband;)

[hvacker]

My little sister was in college in the late 60's. Because of our family experience she grew insecure and somewhat afraid. She married a conservative and also an a$$ ( not because he's conservative he would be a communist a$$ also)
I was surprised when she told me she wished she had been more involved with her generation. She felt she had missed something. I agreed, she did.

When I was discharged a few months a military buddy visited my home. They wanted to see Chicago so we went to town.
Just happened that day was a big peace march down State Street. It was upsetting my friend. This guy was handing out pamphlets and my friend grabbed one and told the guy he was going to wipe his a$$ with it.
The guy said "You might want to read it first"
That was the day I knew I'd never see my buddy again. In just a few months our worlds had changed.
You see, I would have read it. I wasn't afraid. He was.

Just an odd point. The way the GOB's in the south treated hippies isn't strange to look at so many country singers today. They look like hippies.