george w bush legacy?

[hvacpope]

I think we all remember GW every time we walk into an airports checks points shoes on hand, I also think we have to thank him for:

Department of homeland security and the greatest government expansions since FDR.

The bailouts; biggest waste of taxpayer’s dollars in the US history.

The worst incoherent speeches ever to come out of a president’s mouth. And The destruction of the Republican Party.




And more to come

[Mr Bill]

2 years ago the democrats took control of the House and Senate and were supposed to be overseeing the banking industry. Is it a coincidence the economy started tanking then? Is it a coincidence the democrats looked the other way regarding Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac? Is it a coincidence Chris Dodd and Hussain Obama were given the most campaign contributions from Fanny and Freddy? Is it a coincidence the democrats have held hearings on everything EXCEPT Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?
.
Trust your own eyes and ears:

[mrs reb77]

Instead of the dept of homeland security I guess we were supposed to sit back and wait for a few more towers to be blown up? Along with the United States citizens in them? :rolleyes:

[hvacpope]

Instead of the dept of homeland security I guess we were supposed to sit back and wait for a few more towers to be blown up? Along with the United States citizens in them? :rolleyes:


A phone line between the FBI and the CIA would have prevented 9/11, they had all the info and our great government kept them from sharing with each others.

[Mr Bill]

they had all the info and our great government kept them from sharing with each others.


Well if you knew this why didn't you tell someone? :eek: :rolleyes:

[COOL J]

Google Kills Bush’s Miserable Failure Search & Other Google Bombs

After just over two years, Google has finally defused the “Google Bomb” that has returned US President George W. Bush at the top of its results in a search on miserable failure. The move wasn’t a post-State Of The Union Address gift for Bush.

lol/lmfao !!!!!!!!! NO Wonder the country is in the shape it is he was too busy getting his name removed from search engines!!!!!!

[COOL J]

2 years ago the democrats took control of the House and Senate and were supposed to be overseeing the banking industry. Is it a coincidence the economy started tanking then? Is it a coincidence the democrats looked the other way regarding Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac? Is it a coincidence Chris Dodd and Hussain Obama were given the most campaign contributions from Fanny and Freddy? Is it a coincidence the democrats have held hearings on everything EXCEPT Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?
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Trust your own eyes and ears:

It's always your opposing political affiliations fault, what about the prior 6yrs the republicans had control and deregulated the banking industry (taking dirty lobbiest $$$$)for the banking industry to increase profit margins. Good ol American Greed.

[COOL J]

2 years ago the democrats took control of the House and Senate and were supposed to be overseeing the banking industry. Is it a coincidence the economy started tanking then? Is it a coincidence the democrats looked the other way regarding Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac? Is it a coincidence Chris Dodd and Hussain Obama were given the most campaign contributions from Fanny and Freddy? Is it a coincidence the democrats have held hearings on everything EXCEPT Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?
.
Trust your own eyes and ears:

Yeah the economy went straight down hill the second the second their a@# hit the chair!!! Boy them Democrats work fast don't they !!! Unlike Bush.
That's right he's good ol boy from Tex(a@#).
Let me guess your making more money today than you did 10 yrs ago under a Democrat??? Oh I forgot it must be all those illegal immigrants!!!!
I suppose that the Democrats are responsible for that too:D:D

[COOL J]

Well if you knew this why didn't you tell someone? :eek: :rolleyes:


Do I Need to call him and tell him about the security issues at the Texas/Mexico border? You would of thought the Governor of Texas would have known!!!
Must have been too busy doing a 8 ball of coke!!!!

[homersodyssey]

To be fair, a president's legacy isn't really known for years after he's out of office (Lincoln wasn't very popular during his time). Although I still suspect Bush and Cheney had their own vested interests for going into Iraq, what if the seeds of democracy flourish and peace in the Middle East takes root? Carter and Clinton have famous photos with Arafat, but Bush actually did something about the situation.

As a small "c" conservative, I don't know how to classify Bush as he's certainly not in my club. I'm not sure what a neo-con is and don't really want to know.

The last great American president was Reagan and everyone since including the President-Elect have been severely lacking.

[acmanko]

if we are lucky , the Department of the Interior will return. I'm about sick of the communist sounding Depatment of Homeland Security

[k-fridge]

I think history will remember Bush more favorably than what his current ratings show. Though he's made his share of mistakes, his ratings are artificially low due to the curves he was thrown during his tenure and a rather brilliant and diabolical smear campaign by the Democrats with the help of the mainstream media.

Years down the road when partisan politics is not part of the equation, and we can see what the real result of the war on terror was; we'll get a better barometer of his presidency.

[acmanko]

I think history will remember Bush more favorably than what his current ratings show. Though he's made his share of mistakes, his ratings are artificially low due to the curves he was thrown during his tenure and a rather brilliant and diabolical smear campaign by the Democrats with the help of the mainstream media.

Years down the road when partisan politics is not part of the equation, and we can see what the real result of the war on terror was; we'll get a better barometer of his presidency.How far down the road to we have to travel before the GOp is nothing more than a bad dream?

[k-fridge]

How far down the road to we have to travel before the GOp is nothing more than a bad dream?

You'd better pray that the GOP becomes viable again very soon, it's the only thing standing in the way of Democratic tyranny.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

[ga-hvac-tech]

How far down the road to we have to travel before the Gop is nothing more than a bad dream? Far enough to let prejudice die away, and objective thinking prevail... How long do you think that will take?

[The Doctor]

It's always your opposing political affiliations fault,

"In turning to Clinton administration veterans for his economic team, President-elect Barack Obama is banking that people who had a role in the current financial crisis will be best able to fix it. "


what about the prior 6yrs the republicans had control and deregulated the banking industry see the quote above, and at least be honest in admitting that this did not start with the Republicans, and, in all fairness nor did it end.
(taking dirty lobbiest $$$$)for the banking industry to increase profit margins. Good ol American Greed. So are you advocating nanny staters making decisions to forestall that greed?

But this is just history repeating itself, as in this quote from a Bloomberg article (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ab4EYv3FXiEg&refer=home), "Presidents have always sought experienced hands, even if those hands aren’t always clean. The most extreme example might be Franklin D. Roosevelt’s selection of stock speculator Joseph P. Kennedy as the first chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission."

[hvacpope]

I think history will remember Bush more favorably than what his current ratings show. Though he's made his share of mistakes, his ratings are artificially low due to the curves he was thrown during his tenure and a rather brilliant and diabolical smear campaign by the Democrats with the help of the mainstream media.

Years down the road when partisan politics is not part of the equation, and we can see what the real result of the war on terror was; we'll get a better barometer of his presidency.


I don’t think Bush ratings will improve with time, he will be remember like the mumbling idiot that he is.
He failed to deliver most of his campaigns promises including the “no child left behind” fiasco, remember the schools vouchers we were supposed to get to send our kids to private schools, what a joke!
How bout back when he landed on the USS Lincoln wearing camouflage with the mission accomplished sign, almost 6 years later the mission still up for grabs.

Bush is the Jimmy Carter of the Republican party.

[Mr Bill]

The Left has no choice but to hate, insult, curse, lie, and deny; that is their essence. When they try to put their best foot forward, they are common, vulgar, and mean-spirited.
The Left formed the KKK and staff it (from 1865 until now) yet they accuse the Right of belonging to the KKK.
The Left has ALWAYS held minorities back (except for a few they allow in as "affirmative action") yet they call the Right "racists."
The Left formed the NAZI party, yet they accuse the Right of being Nazi’s (the Right are NOT socialists, for all you folks who have not bothered to study political science in college.
Obama's history and speeches are an exact replica of Hitler, yet the Left likes to label those on the Right whom they disagree with as “Hitler.”
The Left calls the Right "ignorant" yet those on the Right have higher levels of education.
The Left calls the Right "haters" yet the Left cannot speak without exhibiting hatred.
In fact, the Left PROVES that they are not college educated by their vulgar use of ad hominem.
The Left is filled with hatred, cannot speak without vulgarities, have no class or compassion, and are the monsters of our society. The best part of their nasty mud slinging is that they repel decent people. The Left are vile and sick cheaters who will do anything to “win” and believe that Obama is going to give them money and cars and houses.
Decent people do not trade their principles for anything.
To the Left, that is not an option, so they don’t worry about trading their votes for “promises of free stuff.”

Now I need to get back to smoking my Turkey. :D

[acmanko]

The Left has no choice but to hate, insult, curse, lie, and deny; that is their essence. When they try to put their best foot forward, they are common, vulgar, and mean-spirited.
The Left formed the KKK and staff it (from 1865 until now) yet they accuse the Right of belonging to the KKK.
The Left has ALWAYS held minorities back (except for a few they allow in as "affirmative action") yet they call the Right "racists."
The Left formed the NAZI party, yet they accuse the Right of being Nazi’s (the Right are NOT socialists, for all you folks who have not bothered to study political science in college.
Obama's history and speeches are an exact replica of Hitler, yet the Left likes to label those on the Right whom they disagree with as “Hitler.”
The Left calls the Right "ignorant" yet those on the Right have higher levels of education.
The Left calls the Right "haters" yet the Left cannot speak without exhibiting hatred.
In fact, the Left PROVES that they are not college educated by their vulgar use of ad hominem.
The Left is filled with hatred, cannot speak without vulgarities, have no class or compassion, and are the monsters of our society. The best part of their nasty mud slinging is that they repel decent people. The Left are vile and sick cheaters who will do anything to “win” and believe that Obama is going to give them money and cars and houses.
Decent people do not trade their principles for anything.
To the Left, that is not an option, so they don’t worry about trading their votes for “promises of free stuff.”

Now I need to get back to smoking my Turkey. :D
You must be smoking more than a Turkey, maybe some roast turkey hash

[Mr Bill]

You must be smoking more than a Turkey, maybe some roast turkey hash

Man you found me out.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/mrbillpro/1_4_110.gif

[x-wrenchturner]

The Left ... are the monsters of our society.

:rolleyes:

[Mr Bill]

:rolleyes:



The Left... are the monsters of our society.

Well I was just trying to be nice and honest. :eek: :D

[x-wrenchturner]

Well I was just trying to be nice and honest. :eek: :D
And I'm sure if you tried hard enough you could google up some "facts" to support your claim.

[tunnel_rat]

I don’t think.

Bush is the Jimmy Carter of the Republican party.


Jimmah sure was a great choice.....:) Now you all re elect Jimmah II. Let me know how that works out for ya....:D

[hvacpope]

Jimmah sure was a great choice.....:) Now you all re elect Jimmah II. Let me know how that works out for ya....:D

We already had Jimmah two, I don’t think Obama can screw this one out, he has so little to be measure against.
Another Bush legacy came to mind; for the first time in American history the government can tap our phone lines without a court order, thanks you bushy boy for the “patriot act” another dent in our freedoms and liberties.

[RoBoTeq]

I love President Bush. I wish I could be like President Bush. President Bush will go down in history as one of the greatest American presidents ever. President Bush is already the greatest, best loved and most popular American president of the 21st century.

[Mr Bill]

And I'm sure if you tried hard enough you could google up some "facts" to support your claim.


Those are the cold hard facts and just because you don't agree with them don't mean there not facts you know there facts just admit it and get over it. :rolleyes:

[21degrees]

I love President Bush. I wish I could be like President Bush. President Bush will go down in history as one of the greatest American presidents ever. President Bush is already the greatest, best loved and most popular American president of the 21st century.




Off your meds again Robo?:D Don't you hate when outsiders have an opinion, I thought he will go down a the biggest con artist who mislead the american people on more than 1 occassion.

[mrs reb77]

We already had Jimmah two, I don’t think Obama can screw this one out, he has so little to be measure against.
Another Bush legacy came to mind; for the first time in American history the government can tap our phone lines without a court order, thanks you bushy boy for the “patriot act” another dent in our freedoms and liberties.

Since your location is listed as 'somewhere' we can only think that maybe you're in 'hiding' from....something?
I love how everyone can blame with the one hand and then blame with the other. It's President Bush's fault that the terrorist attacks happened on 9/11 and it's President Bush's fault how we're now being protected from further attack. What's that you say? There haven't been any further attacks? Well, it certainly couldn't be because of anything that idiot Bush did! :rolleyes:

[model m-man]

I think we all remember GW every time we walk into an airports checks points shoes on hand, I also think we have to thank him for:

I'm glad to see that you're thanking GW for trying to make sure you're able to walk off that plane.

Had his predessor cared as much about your safety and took action after the first attack, there could possibly be thousand's more able to walk away & two towers still standing. Had his predessor not mandated a war with Iraq via the UN & then hid under his desk with an intern instead of doing his job, GW woulden't have had to try and fix that mess either. Yes, there is a lot you can thank GW for, but I'm betting you won't.

[RoBoTeq]

Off your meds again Robo?:D Don't you hate when outsiders have an opinion, I thought he will go down a the biggest con artist who mislead the american people on more than 1 occassion.
It's an American thing; you just wouldn't understand;)

[21degrees]

It's an American thing; you just wouldn't understand;)
Try me. Us Canadians are not that dumb.;)

[RoBoTeq]

Try me. Us Canadians are not that dumb.;)
I would never accuse Canadians of being dumb. I have had way more positive experiences with Canadians then negative ones, even on this site:rolleyes:

While my comment was actually tongue in cheek, there are differences in the way Americans and Canadians have evolved due to our differing government styles. It's sort of like my not having a clue as to what Canadians see in the Queen of England or parliamentary governing.

[21degrees]

[QUOTE=RoBoTeq;2055295]I would never accuse Canadians of being dumb. I have had way more positive experiences with Canadians then negative ones, even on this site:rolleyes:

You are so right and I have no Idea why will still let her represent us. I do watch more american politics than Canadian. Parliament sucks and is very boring. My wife gets mad when I watch it, which is not to often. I did like GW bush until the trueth of a few items came out. He isn't all wrong but I do think he did make some bad choices. I was rooting for Mclean but now that Obama is in why not support him. We as the outsiders do like how you americans stand behind your country and people. Pride is a nice thing to have, so don't loose it. I just hope your ecconomic situation gets better soon, because it is starting to affect the rest of the world.

[RoBoTeq]

[quote=RoBoTeq;2055295]I would never accuse Canadians of being dumb. I have had way more positive experiences with Canadians then negative ones, even on this site:rolleyes:

You are so right and I have no Idea why will still let her represent us. I do watch more american politics than Canadian. Parliament sucks and is very boring. My wife gets mad when I watch it, which is not to often. I did like GW bush until the trueth of a few items came out. He isn't all wrong but I do think he did make some bad choices. I was rooting for Mclean but now that Obama is in why not support him. We as the outsiders do like how you americans stand behind your country and people. Pride is a nice thing to have, so don't loose it. I just hope your ecconomic situation gets better soon, because it is starting to affect the rest of the world.
I also believe that President Bush has made some decisions that are going to wind up hurting us more then helping us, mostly on domestic affairs, especially immigration.

I also agree that Obama is now our president and unless he makes blatantly bad decisions that damage my personal rights, freedoms or safety, I will support him as my president.

I believe that all persons of all countries should stand by their leaders unless it is time for a revolutionary change of power. A good thing about the U.S. is that we can shift directions quite radically within a four year period.

[glennac]

[quote=21degrees;2055301]
I also believe that President Bush has made some decisions that are going to wind up hurting us more then helping us, mostly on domestic affairs, especially immigration.

I also agree that Obama is now our president and unless he makes blatantly bad decisions that damage my personal rights, freedoms or safety, I will support him as my president.

I believe that all persons of all countries should stand by their leaders unless it is time for a revolutionary change of power. A good thing about the U.S. is that we can shift directions quite radically within a four year period.

Hey robo, I believe this it what I call wishful thinking. In six months I predict you will be screaming. He has given us all the evidence and proof one could ask for about his background. He is not controlled by anyone but his own leftest ideology which he has demonstrated ever since his college years. I expect nothing less than a full assault on our freedoms and a attack on private enterprise. Keep up the hope he isn't in office yet. Wait and see what happens. This will be tragic for our country I predict. Nuff said.:eek:

[RoBoTeq]

[quote=RoBoTeq;2055304]

Hey robo, I believe this it what I call wishful thinking. In six months I predict you will be screaming. He has given us all the evidence and proof one could ask for about his background. He is not controlled by anyone but his own leftest ideology which he has demonstrated ever since his college years. I expect nothing less than a full assault on our freedoms and a attack on private enterprise. Keep up the hope he isn't in office yet. Wait and see what happens. This will be tragic for our country I predict. Nuff said.:eek:
I disagree. Nuff said.;)

[hvacpope]

Since your location is listed as 'somewhere' we can only think that maybe you're in 'hiding' from....something?
I love how everyone can blame with the one hand and then blame with the other. It's President Bush's fault that the terrorist attacks happened on 9/11 and it's President Bush's fault how we're now being protected from further attack. What's that you say? There haven't been any further attacks? Well, it certainly couldn't be because of anything that idiot Bush did! :rolleyes:

I don’t blame Bush for 9/11, I blame the US government in general, with some sort of immigration controls 9/11 would had never happened but our government allowed those middle eastern men in our country and let them overstay their expired visas, then after 9/11 our government under Bush reacted by increasing the size of the government creating a whole bunch of new of government entities and suppressing some of our freedoms instead of improving and enforcing our immigration laws. I wonder how many terrorist attracts our government has prevented by striping naked an 80 years old white grandmother at the airports check points.

By the way the Bush administrating brought into our country a record number of immigrants from the Middle East this year, mostly of Iraqis and Pakistani origins, thanks again bushi boy for importing more of those “religion of peace “ fellas into our land.

[glennac]

[quote=glennac;2055407]
I disagree. Nuff said.;)

I will mark my calender for a rehash of these posts six months from now and we will see what happens win, lose or draw.:)

[RoBoTeq]

[quote=RoBoTeq;2055524]

I will mark my calender for a rehash of these posts six months from now and we will see what happens win, lose or draw.:)
You are mistaken that I am in competition with you.

[acmanko]

$147.00 a barrel oil and $4.00 a gallon Gasoline
The end of car manufacturing in USA
airline travel for the rich and famous
the end of retirement for folks over 62-in line with Reagan policy
neverending war
worthless money

[RoBoTeq]

$147.00 a barrel oil and $4.00 a gallon Gasoline
Really? So what do these charts mean?

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The end of car manufacturing in USA
Nothing to do with President Bush. Everything to do with greedy corporate moguls and the extreme cost of unionized labor.

airline travel for the rich and famous
Well then, I must be rich and famous:rolleyes:

the end of retirement for folks over 62-in line with Reagan policy
Social Security was always a false hope that could never succeed. Nothing to do with President Bush.

neverending war
The only times we weren't at war is when our presidents were giving our enemies the impression that we are weak and gutless. This perception is most likely the catalyst that prompted our enemies to attack us. We did not start the war we are in. We had the choice to roll over and die, convert to Islam en masse or fight our collective enemy on their soil. I think we made the right choice.

There is no doubt that within 10 years President Bush will be harolded as the one of the best presidents in U.S. history.
worthless money [/quote]

[mrs reb77]

I don’t blame Bush for 9/11, I blame the US government in general, with some sort of immigration controls 9/11 would had never happened but our government allowed those middle eastern men in our country and let them overstay their expired visas,

I'm sorry, I must have misread your original post. I thought you were blaming Bush for 'every time we walk into an airports checks points shoes on hand" which is the TSA's response to a shoe bomber (nothing to do with Pres. Bush I would think)

So, exactly how would you have had President Bush deal with the terrorist attacks very early (first year!) of his administration? Not create a department to deal with our protection? Seal our borders (how, tell me please!)?

Everyone wants to moan and groan but they don't have a better answer.

And, we have been INCREDIBLY safe since those attacks on 9/11. There's been a whole crap storm of stuff happen elsewhere...

[Tool-Slinger]

A phone line between the FBI and the CIA would have prevented 9/11, they had all the info and our great government kept them from sharing with each others.
''The wall''

clinton rule, look that up on the googler before you blame bush.

[corny]

I believe the wall existed way before the clinton admin and it was authorized by the dubya admin too...... just a bunch of regulations that were probably in a ginourmous stack of papers on someones desk that were routinely authorized by each administration taking office.

They hurt us....but if we must place blame somewhere it probably needs to be placed on our overblown bureaucracy and a bunch of folks with overblown egos.

[The Doctor]

I believe the wall existed way before the clinton admin and it was authorized by the dubya admin too...... just a bunch of regulations that were probably in a ginourmous stack of papers on someones desk that were routinely authorized by each administration taking office.
That wall was erected with people like (Clinton Admin.)Jamie Gorelick. The punch line was seeing her on the 9-11 Commission, as if she were asking why we had intel failures. The answer for her, as it is for most career pols, is more government, mo' gubmint, mo gubmint! But to say that the 9-11 Commission (Gorelick and others) didn't have a vested interest in covering their own asses is to remove oneself from reality.

They hurt us....but if we must place blame somewhere it probably needs to be placed on our overblown bureaucracy and a bunch of folks with overblown egos.
I just named one. If you name another, we can call it a tennis match. :p

[hvacpope]

I'm sorry, I must have misread your original post. I thought you were blaming Bush for 'every time we walk into an airports checks points shoes on hand" which is the TSA's response to a shoe bomber (nothing to do with Pres. Bush I would think)

So, exactly how would you have had President Bush deal with the terrorist attacks very early (first year!) of his administration? Not create a department to deal with our protection? Seal our borders (how, tell me please!)?

Everyone wants to moan and groan but they don't have a better answer.

And, we have been INCREDIBLY safe since those attacks on 9/11. There's been a whole crap storm of stuff happen elsewhere...

The department of homeland security is another layer of worthless government bureaucracy, instead of promoting his cronies to gravy positions in a made up entity, Bush should had taken down all the communications and collaboration barriers between the existing departments, instead of promoting open border and amnesty for illegal aliens Bush should had sent the national guard to secure our borders and the INS to track and deport illegal aliens.
the Bush administration typically reacts to events, seems like those morons spent their day picking their noses and then when bad things happen they all run in circles like chickens without a head, I don’t know if Obama would be any better but he is going to have a hard time topping the current administrations incompetence’s levels.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Leadership (truly leading a nation) is a tricky thing.

If folks like (one could also say if it feels good at the moment) what the leader is doing, then they will go along with it... but if they do not; to lead down that path is political suicide... witness the current approval ratings of the president going out of office. (For now, lets not dwell on what is right or wrong).

So we have this question: Does a leader lead the right way, or the way that promotes their career? I think if we answer this question, we might start to see the problem we have in this country... Anyone want to tackle the question?

[acmanko]

well the "right way" for me might be the wrong way for the minority. that said, we have not had a leader that even came close to the right way in over 60 years

[RoBoTeq]

well the "right way" for me might be the wrong way for the minority. that said, we have not had a leader that even came close to the right way in over 60 years
And yet you still enjoy a fruitful life.....ingrate, I say:(

[ga-hvac-tech]

well the "right way" for me might be the wrong way for the minority. that said, we have not had a leader that even came close to the right way in over 60 years

I agree with the second half of your statement, but not the first.

If this nation were really color-blind (like they should be), one way would work for all. However there is just too much political power to be had by 'divisive rhetoric', and the media is as guilty as any politician.

[RoBoTeq]

During my youth we were going very well toward becoming a color blind nation. I believe that for about an hour, well into the hippie movement period, we actually achieved color blindness.

Then the media realized how powerful promoting color differences could be. Now, all we ever hear from the media are our differences and race, color and creed have become commodities for these leeches.

[acmanko]

I agree with the second half of your statement, but not the first.

If this nation were really color-blind (like they should be), one way would work for all. However there is just too much political power to be had by 'divisive rhetoric', and the media is as guilty as any politician.I really don't understand how you could not agree with the first half. the majority of Americans, me included have not been represented since Andrew Jackson. I wasn't around then, but he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

[ga-hvac-tech]

I really don't understand how you could not agree with the first half. the majority of Americans, me included have not been represented since Andrew Jackson. I wasn't around then, but he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Well Ace, it might well be what I was thinking about at the time I posted... here is your post, followed by my thoughts at the time:

Ace: Well the "right way" for me might be the wrong way for the minority; that said, we have not had a leader that even came close to the right way in over 60 years. (end)

GA: The first part is underlined above. What I thought about at the time was racial issues. What I meant by saying that I disagree is that if we have a truly level playing field where everyone has exactly the same opportunities (given they are willing to put forth the effort to try to achieve more) then IMO one shoe would fit all... however, as noted in this and other threads: Divisive discussions and promotion of race will always find an ear... so IMHO (and humble is the word here), to truly have a level playing field, we have to stop talking about race and differences. Do you think that will ever happen when there is sooo much political power and $$$ to be made by promoting the very thing the civil rights act of 1964 prohibits?

Now if you are telling me that all folks that have achieved financial success are not capable of representing the working class, then I would have to disagree with you. I will not pursue that thought unless you want to start another thread and talk about it though, your call.