When will Obama start acting like a president?

[chaard]

He waited till the last minute during the bailout for someone to call him if he was needed. Now he won't go to the emergency UN meeting cause he doesn't want to confuse people with who is currently POTUS.

Look Obama, you have to meet with foreign leaders. It doesn't matter that you are not offically POTUS. You will be in 2 mo. Now's the time to start acting like a pres. without having to make the hard decisions now. Get in the game will you?!

[bootlen]

He won't. His plan is not to preside but to rule.

[the mojo]

Obama is waiting for advice from the old wind bag Billiary.

[Roscoe]

Who knows maybe he'll bring some CHANGE :eek:








For the parking meters.............:p........:D

[Pneuma]

He waited till the last minute during the bailout for someone to call him if he was needed. Now he won't go to the emergency UN meeting cause he doesn't want to confuse people with who is currently POTUS.

Look Obama, you have to meet with foreign leaders. It doesn't matter that you are not offically POTUS. You will be in 2 mo. Now's the time to start acting like a pres. without having to make the hard decisions now. Get in the game will you?!

At the last minute before the debate John mcCain figred it would be better not to debate at all and so he told BO he was suspending his campaign ( he lied and didn't) and was flying to Washington to fix the Crisis. He got bush to "invite" both candidates and then McCain sat on his hands in the meeting, kept everyone in suspense as to wether he would debate or not and ultimately voted exactly the same way BO did without any leadership comments, then he left DC financial crisis still in full effect. And you look at those events and describe them as BO waiting until the last minute? WOW how can you do that?

[mrs reb77]

I'm guessing we all forgot what a political insider you are. We didn't realize you had all that first hand knowledge. As reported at the time, I remember things slightly differently but hey, I'm not an Obama supporter so that's natural!

[acmanko]

Has everyone in their agony just forgotten that George Bush is still the President. For the second time , his administration is having to deal with recession. Let him and his appointees do their job and see what happens.

[Pneuma]

I'm guessing we all forgot what a political insider you are. We didn't realize you had all that first hand knowledge. As reported at the time, I remember things slightly differently but hey, I'm not an Obama supporter so that's natural!

Tell me which point you want supported with links

[frostman]

Has everyone in their agony just forgotten that George Bush is still the President. For the second time , his administration is having to deal with recession. Let him and his appointees do their job and see what happens.

Exactly, that it's Bush's meeting with the foreign leaders, not Obamas. Why should he go to a meeting now when more than likely he'll have to have his own meetings with the other world leaders after actually..TAKING OVER? I didn't realize this was a joke site, but man you angry Obama haters are funny.

[Roscoe]

You need to go back to Move On .org and take achmod with you.............:D...............

[k-fridge]

He didn't do much more than wear the title when he was a senator, what makes you think he'll be any different as prez?

[ga-hvac-tech]

In one sense, I think Mr Obama is acting presidential in staying out of things... he is not the leader (yet)...

Here are a few of my thoughts:

1) If Mr Obama starts acting like POTUS now, he will get blamed for some things that are not his fault... I doubt he will last until the end of the summer (maybe sooner) before folks are blaming him for everything in the world they do not like (similar to the childish way folks blammed Mr Bush for everything under the sun). Some folks are just not mature enough to vote...

2) Honestly, I doubt he knows enough about world economics or world politics to understand what the h*ll he just got himself into... all he wants is the power. Personally, I think he is taking a crash course in understanding the job...

[desto1]

who said he was a president? he is just a puppet,just like the last 3 we have had.

[smokin68]

The Bushmaster is still president till January.......would any of you guys want the new guy as a shadow for the final two months of your employment? I would think not.

[k-fridge]

In one sense, I think Mr Obama is acting presidential in staying out of things... he is not the leader (yet)...

Here are a few of my thoughts:

1) If Mr Obama starts acting like POTUS now, he will get blamed for some things that are not his fault... I doubt he will last until the end of the summer (maybe sooner) before folks are blaming him for everything in the world they do not like (similar to the childish way folks blammed Mr Bush for everything under the sun). Some folks are just not mature enough to vote...

2) Honestly, I doubt he knows enough about world economics or world politics to understand what the h*ll he just got himself into... all he wants is the power. Personally, I think he is taking a crash course in understanding the job...

#2

[acmanko]

#3

[glennac]

The Bushmaster is still president till January.......would any of you guys want the new guy as a shadow for the final two months of your employment? I would think not.

Smoking, question is that your real picture on your avatar or is that an avatar you like to use? You are defending Obama for the Presidentcy and your picture is that of a White business man who all voted for McCain in high percentages. Have to ask

[andserco]

Has the electoral college even had the official vote to substain him as POTUS..

[hvacker]

Attacking BO for these reasons is just plain chicken sh!t.
Sour grapes. Poor losers. Condemn the guy before he takes office? Criticize the guy before he's even on the job?
During this campaign OB was attacked on ARP, the radio Limpballs, and the media mostly for marginal issues.
You might as well support BO as the option would have been a disaster.
I hope BO becomes a great president and you all get to eat crow.

[acmanko]

I started raising crow. I want my ARP friends to be well fed. Plus I might make a buck or two:eek:

[smokin68]

Smoking, question is that your real picture on your avatar or is that an avatar you like to use? You are defending Obama for the Presidentcy and your picture is that of a White business man who all voted for McCain in high percentages. Have to ask

Glenn, my avatar is Tony Soprano, a fictional character. I've already stated in the other post about why you voted for Obama why I did. I don't like Obama per say....however, I like McCain less. The only thing I like about McCain is that he is a war hero.

[5 star]

The only thing I like about McCain is that he is a war hero.The only thing you could like about Obama is the fact he is a Communist being how he was raised by Communists and he sought Communists as his mentors while growing up. The facts are there for everyone who chose to see them and who wants to see them.

Tell us, how does it feel to vote for a Communist as the leader of your country?

[whec720]

Glenn, my avatar is Tony Soprano, a fictional character. I've already stated in the other post about why you voted for Obama why I did. I don't like Obama per say....however, I like McCain less. The only thing I like about McCain is that he is a war hero.

Tony Soprano is a businessman. He sells olives.:D

[x-wrenchturner]

The only thing you could like about Obama is the fact he is a Communist being how he was raised by Communists and he sought Communists as his mentors while growing up. The facts are there for everyone who chose to see them and who wants to see them.

Tell us, how does it feel to vote for a Communist as the leader of your country?

If BO is your definition of a communist, then you my friend, need to get out a little more.

[mrs reb77]

#3

At least you know your place....

[acmanko]

At least you know your place....I thought we were counting:D

[chaard]

The Bushmaster is still president till January.......would any of you guys want the new guy as a shadow for the final two months of your employment? I would think not.

For the good of the company, yes, he should be learning the job. Some company's have the guy going out train his replacement.
He doesn't have to say anything, just sit in the meeting. I'm not saying he has to be pres. now, just get your head in the game.

Some of you Obama lovers get defensive quick.

[glennac]

For the good of the company, yes, he should be learning the job. Some company's have the guy going out train his replacement.
He doesn't have to say anything, just sit in the meeting. I'm not saying he has to be pres. now, just get your head in the game.

Some of you Obama lovers get defensive quick.

Good thoughts chaard but I don't think Obama thinks he needs to learn anything. He already has his "agenda" planned out for the destruction of our economy which is already underway with the massive bailouts. We will be going to hell in a hand basket before long.

Need to see that video on another thread about what the ex KGB agent had to say how the US is going down and this is the exact formula he was talking about. It is shocking. I don't know what can save us now. Lucifer will soon be in control.

[k-fridge]

For the good of the company, yes, he should be learning the job. Some company's have the guy going out train his replacement.
He doesn't have to say anything, just sit in the meeting. I'm not saying he has to be pres. now, just get your head in the game.

Some of you Obama lovers get defensive quick.

Since he's the least experienced person ever to be elected to the presidency, he definitely needs a crash course....especially when it comes to foreign policy and the military.

[x-wrenchturner]

Lucifer will soon be in control.

Well that sucks!

You think that will affect my 401K?

[ga-hvac-tech]

Well that sucks!

You think that will affect my 401K?

I think you will find that your 401K will be less next year than it is this year (in other words, less under BHO than it was under Bush)...

Now is that the kind of change you wanted... :eek:

[smokin68]

Since he's the least experienced person ever to be elected to the presidency, he definitely needs a crash course....especially when it comes to foreign policy and the military.

I can't seem to remember any president-elect having prior experience as president unless they're re-elected. Crash-course? Seems to me they all learn on the fly.

[x-wrenchturner]

I think you will find that your 401K will be less next year than it is this year (in other words, less under BHO than it was under Bush)...

Now is that the kind of change you wanted... :eek:

A change from the direction in which it was going when he was elected is what I would like.

IF it is less next year then it is now, that will not be a change, as it will have been a continuation of the direction it has been headed in for a while now.


.

[kim]

If you start a job 1-20-09, would you expect people to complain that you were doing a terrible job 2 months before you start.

If he were to pre-empt our rightfully elected president. You would complain about that.

I say he is doing you a good job, He is giving your something to complain about.

[k-fridge]

I can't seem to remember any president-elect having prior experience as president unless they're re-elected. Crash-course? Seems to me they all learn on the fly.

I didn't mention experience as a president, just experience that would give him the stuff he needs to be president. Like having been a governor, a military leader, or at the very least someone who spent a significant time in congress and actually showed up for work enough to matter.

[Roscoe]

I didn't mention experience as a president, just experience that would give him the stuff he needs to be president. Like having been a governor, a military leader, or at the very least someone who spent a significant time in congress and actually showed up for work enough to matter.

hehehe..yeooooowwww good smack down.....Ken.....;)

[Snapperhead]

Attacking BO for these reasons is just plain chicken sh!t.
Sour grapes. Poor losers. Condemn the guy before he takes office? Criticize the guy before he's even on the job?

If the man would give a good reason to praise him I would. I will be the first to admit when someone is doing a good job.... or atleast claims he will. ( like smack the hands of congress for forcing Banks into the the pickle they are in )



During this campaign BO was attacked on ARP, the radio Limpballs, and the media mostly for marginal issues.
I hope BO becomes a great president and you all get to eat crow.Anyone with something to lose ( the average person with a large sum of money / and companies in trouble ) are probably sitting down with their financial advisors as we type , and comming up with the best way to protect the little bit of money they have left , and preparing for a depression that might totally end another small business like the ones dropping off like flies.

They are going to go from dropping like flies to dropping like elephants.

The people on welfare on the other hand , are preparing to buy another wide screen.

[ga-hvac-tech]

One of the differences between conservatives (true conservatives) and liberals is that a liberal promotes someone because it feels good... a conservative (true conservative) promotes someone on their proven track record.

Now lets take this down to daily life: If you run an HVAC company and you need to hire another tech, would you hire a guy full of good sounding BS, or one that has a verifiable resume? You tell me...

[x-wrenchturner]

hehehe..yeooooowwww good smack down.....Ken.....;)


It's not about winning Roscoe,
haven't you been paying attention?
:D

[smokin68]

I didn't mention experience as a president, just experience that would give him the stuff he needs to be president. Like having been a governor, a military leader, or at the very least someone who spent a significant time in congress and actually showed up for work enough to matter.

That didn't help Bush any....so obviously should be a prerequisite.

[k-fridge]

That didn't help Bush any....so obviously should be a prerequisite.
umm, he was a successful goveror. In face, he's the first governor in Texas history to be elected to two consecutive four year terms.

In contrast, Obama has served less than two years as a senator and spent virtually all of it running for president wileon the taxpayers dime.

[acmanko]

umm, he was a successful goveror. In face, he's the first governor in Texas history to be elected to two consecutive four year terms.

In contrast, Obama has served less than two years as a senator and spent virtually all of it running for president wileon the taxpayers dime. He was the worst Governor we've had, thats why we sent him to washington. you know, spread the pain around for all to enjoy

[Roscoe]

He was the worst Governor we've had, thats why we sent him to washington. you know, spread the pain around for all to enjoy

he served 2 terms there, he must have done something right. Unlike Jimmeh Carter who was thrown out after 1 term.....:eek:

[k-fridge]

He was the worst Governor we've had, thats why we sent him to washington. you know, spread the pain around for all to enjoy

It would seem that most in your state thought otherwise, since you reelected him by a 69% margin.

[acmanko]

It would seem that most in your state thought otherwise, since you reelected him by a 69% margin.
It was well know that he would not finish his second term. 69% saw it as a way to get rid of him.

[conky]

Obama has been so "Present" in all his Senate Votes, that the "American People have elected him to be President Of The United States, all 50 states.

I am sure he will carry on with all his accomplishments and make good on all the promises that he made to get elected.

I am sure he wants to serve a least two terms as President, so he can continue to make Michelle proud to be an American and make the US a better place for his two daughters.

You Betcha,
Stay Gold,
Conky

[ga-hvac-tech]

IMO, electing BHO to president is kinda like the final rebellious act of a spoiled teen that just got out on their own... :cool: (We have all seen it and lived it: I will do what I want to, regardless)... :confused: After learning life the hard way, they will never make that mistake again. :p:(:eek: And the person will be on the road to becoming an adult!!! :)

[acmanko]

i watched some of Obama's interview on 60 minutes. The man seems to have realized that this job is going to change him more then he changes Washington. He actually had to wash dishes at home. How many past Presidents do you htink did that. The only one I can think of would have been Reagan, before he made it on TV/Movies. Heck, no real man in control of his home has to do dishes.

I don't do dishes, wash clothes or sweep and mop floors. Thats womens work.

[bootlen]

We know what ELSE you don't do, too.

[ga-hvac-tech]

i watched some of Obama's interview on 60 minutes. The man seems to have realized that this job is going to change him more then he changes Washington. He actually had to wash dishes at home. How many past Presidents do you htink did that. The only one I can think of would have been Reagan, before he made it on TV/Movies. Heck, no real man in control of his home has to do dishes.

I don't do dishes, wash clothes or sweep and mop floors. Thats womens work.

The question is;

Are you really in control, or living in a delusion???

[andserco]

The worst thing that Bush did as our governor was to give us Perry....:o

[forged alloy]

I'm certainly no Obama fan, but you can't expect him to act like an intern now under a man who has been so tarnished by all of his base.

When has a president-elect ever behaved like that?

Besides I think B.O. burned his bridges by leaking information from his first meeting with Bush.

For better or worse his next few months will be spent building the foundation of his administration - conducting interviews - strategy sessions - intelligence briefings. He has no authorization to serve the office currently, nor I imagine is he wanted or his counsel sought by anyone in the current administration.

[frostman]

The only thing you could like about Obama is the fact he is a Communist being how he was raised by Communists and he sought Communists as his mentors while growing up. The facts are there for everyone who chose to see them and who wants to see them.

Tell us, how does it feel to vote for a Communist as the leader of your country?

Obamas parents and grandparents were commies? I knew there was something wrong about Hawaii. You really are looney aren't ya? Does your health plan cover mental health treatment?

[k-fridge]

Obamas parents and grandparents were commies? I knew there was something wrong about Hawaii. You really are looney aren't ya? Does your health plan cover mental health treatment?
Easy does it on the insults.

ARPC

[chaard]

I guess I should have titled this "When is Obama going to start acting like a Leader".

He's alresdy backing off some of his campaign promises. His website took down his 25 agendas.



Barack Obama has said the economic crisis means that a range of campaign promises will have to be delayed. But he's also said there are "certain investments we cannot delay, precisely because the economy is in turmoil." Was the election a mandate for big change or cautious pragmatism?

http://www.pri.org/politics-society/barack-obama-conflicting-priorities.html

[smokin68]

I guess I should have titled this "When is Obama going to start acting like a Leader".

He's alresdy backing off some of his campaign promises. His website took down his 25 agendas.




http://www.pri.org/politics-society/barack-obama-conflicting-priorities.html

Every presidents "agenda" becomes an etch-a-sketch once they're in office.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Every presidents "agenda" becomes an etch-a-sketch once they're in office.

That is a polite way to say it...

I would have said every politician lies their butt off to get elected, knowing full well they will not do most of the things they say... and the public buys it every couple of years... :rolleyes:

[JRINJAX]

Obamas parents and grandparents were commies? I knew there was something wrong about Hawaii. You really are looney aren't ya? Does your health plan cover mental health treatment?
His Mother [willing Impregnee] was certainly a radical Communist of the Dorn ilk. His Father [Impregnator] was a Kenyan Economist who had Communist ideals. Just remember this was the height of the Soviet's influence in Africa.
There is also no proof they were ever married. She eventually found several other willing Impregnators later on. She was never a "Girl Scout". She abandoned him many times to his Grandmother to raise while she chased her latest stud.

[mrs reb77]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/17/campbell.brown.lobbyists/index.html#cnnSTCText
Commentary: Obama already struggling with lobbyist promises

Election day plus 14, Electoral College hasn't yet met, election not certified, Inauguration day still 2 months away...couldn't the broken promises at least wait until then?
Maybe starting the election cycle more than two years before the election was a hint that everything will start earlier these days?

[Mr Bill]

I for one am anxious to see what our new prez-elect is going to do about this illegal alien issue.
He swore up and down all troops would be out of Iraq in 16 months - guess what - they just signed an agreement for 36 months...20 months disappeared off the radar in a heartbeat.
Will he keep his election promise --- 16 months?? :eek:

[frostman]

Easy does it on the insults.

ARPC
But it's ok to call someone a communist? I'm figuring out how this site works.

[frostman]

His Mother [willing Impregnee] was certainly a radical Communist of the Dorn ilk. His Father [Impregnator] was a Kenyan Economist who had Communist ideals. Just remember this was the height of the Soviet's influence in Africa.
There is also no proof they were ever married. She eventually found several other willing Impregnators later on. She was never a "Girl Scout". She abandoned him many times to his Grandmother to raise while she chased her latest stud.

Were his grandparents Communists? Doesn't seem to me like his mother had a whole lot of time to pursue her communistic passions if she was always chasing down her latest stud.

[k-fridge]

But it's ok to call someone a communist? I'm figuring out how this site works.
I think you learned how it works from the last time you were here.

[frostman]

I think you know how it works from your previous stay.

Previous stay where? I confused now.

[JRINJAX]

But it's ok to call someone a communist? I'm figuring out how this site works.
Most Liberals want to grow up to be Communists. They can become friends with future Democratic candidates and learn how to blow up Police Stations.

[k-fridge]

Previous stay where? I confused now.
Unfortunately we can't read every word that's posted. If you have a complaint about a post. use the report button or e-mail the ARPC.

[forged alloy]

But it's ok to call someone a communist? I'm figuring out how this site works.

It has as much impact as a Lib calling a republican a capitalist.

A Russian will say thank-you to the former, a republican will say thank you to the latter.

:D

[smokin68]

I for one am anxious to see what our new prez-elect is going to do about this illegal alien issue.
He swore up and down all troops would be out of Iraq in 16 months - guess what - they just signed an agreement for 36 months...20 months disappeared off the radar in a heartbeat.
Will he keep his election promise --- 16 months?? :eek:


So an agreement is signed under the BUSH administration undermining the new president-elects agenda, which will undoubtedly now be Obama's fault if the troops aren't withdrawn. Nice. Typical political BS.

Hell McCain couldn't make it through the campaign stage without a direct LIE that was acted apon(signing bailout with pork attached).


That was worse than "READ MY LIPS...." from Bush Sr.

[lanceonthejob]

"acting like a pres"?

The actual Pres hasn't acted like a pres in nearly 6 months.
He has just recently come out of hiding after the election meltdown.

If Obama acted like the Pres, the R-wing-nuts would be on him like a wet blanket.

Hmmm...he was shown on T.V. the other day holding a laptop.
wow...he may just be the first Pres ever to know how to partition a drive.
:)

[JRINJAX]

"acting like a pres"?

The actual Pres hasn't acted like a pres in nearly 6 months.
He has just recently come out of hiding after the election meltdown.

If Obama acted like the Pres, the R-wing-nuts would be on him like a wet blanket.

Hmmm...he was shown on T.V. the other day holding a laptop.
wow...he may just be the first Pres ever to know how to partition a drive.
:)Probably just a "Photo-Op prop", but he certainly knows how to "partition" a country.

[Mr Bill]

So an agreement is signed under the BUSH administration undermining the new president-elects agenda, which will undoubtedly now be Obama's fault if the troops aren't withdrawn. Nice. Typical political BS.


Obama was part of this agreement also, this was part of the talks with Bush and Obama,
only technically was it on Bush's watch. :rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Hmmm...he was shown on T.V. the other day holding a laptop.
wow...he may just be the first Pres ever to know how to partition a drive.
:)

Is there some need for that in a President? :confused:

[mrs reb77]

Previous stay where? I confused now.

Just now, huh? :p

[Mr Bill]

Originally Posted by lanceonthejob http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?p=2047908#post2047908)
Hmmm...he was shown on T.V. the other day holding a laptop.
wow...he may just be the first Pres ever to know how to partition a drive.


Is there some need for that in a President? :confused:


You can bet there will be a need for that now, deleting will not be enough to hide all the secrets, and he better make sure when he formats or partitions he writes back to that drive so the info. cannot be regained. :eek:

[frostman]

Unfortunately we can't read every word that's posted. If you have a complaint about a post. use the report button or e-mail the ARPC.

I wasn't complaining about anybody's post. I believe in free speech and all that. Sorry if something I said was insulting to someone. I'll try to be good. But shouldn't ALL insults, no matter what they are or who they're from, be against the rules?

[k-fridge]

I wasn't complaining about anybody's post. I believe in free speech and all that. Sorry if something I said was insulting to someone. I'll try to be good. But shouldn't ALL insults, no matter what they are or who they're from, be against the rules?
Technically, yes. But there's some fine lines that can be difficult to determine. What constitutes an insult is one. Another is whether it was kidding or serious. We encourage good natured kidding, but it's tough to tell the difference at time.

We know the old timers here well enough to have a good idea what their intent is. Harder to tell about the newbies.

And as I stated above, we can't always catch every single word that's posted. That's why we rely on the other members to alert us to problems. Just please do so by e-mail or the "report post" button, and not on the public forum.

Lastly, there are plenty of cautions/warnings that you don't know about because they are given in private. It's easy with pro-members as we can PM them, we can't PM non-pro-members. I think I just exceeded my allotment of hyphens. :p

Just keep it civil and respectful and no one will have any problem out of the ARPC. :)

[glennac]

Back to the topic of the OP. Never. He will start off acting like a benevolent "dictator" which Roosevelt tried to get away with and try to ram socialism down our throats with sugar coated syrup and "smooth" talking.

[frostman]

Back to the topic of the OP. Never. He will start off acting like a benevolent "dictator" which Roosevelt tried to get away with and try to ram socialism down our throats with sugar coated syrup and "smooth" talking.

You know this how? DO you have some weird access into Obamas mind? I'm guessing you felt the same way when CLinton was elected...and Carter..and...

[glennac]

............ But shouldn't ALL insults, no matter what they are or who they're from, be against the rules?

You mean like all references to the socialists Democrats and not just other members I presume. I guess that's what you mean by all insults. Protect the Democrats from criticism for trying to lead this country to ruin down the socialist communist path. I think I am correct on that assumption, am I not.:)

[frostman]

You mean like all references to the socialists Democrats and not just other members I presume. I guess that's what you mean by all insults. Protect the Democrats from criticism for trying to lead this country to ruin down the socialist communist path. I think I am correct on that assumption, am I not.:)

Who's a socialist on here? Or a commie? Insult Democrats all you want, most of the time i'd join ya. But this nonsense that they're all socialists is..well..nonsense. I'm guessing this isn't a new paranoia for you.

[glennac]

Who's a socialist on here? Or a commie? Insult Democrats all you want, most of the time i'd join ya. But this nonsense that they're all socialists is..well..nonsense. I'm guessing this isn't a new paranoia for you.

Well if you want to include all Democrats as socialists or commies that's your prerogative, go ahead. I only refer to the leaders of the Democratic Party and a majority of their elected representatives in Congress not the uninformed masses you vote for them.:)

[sline-dawg]

I'm guessing this isn't a new paranoia for you.

ROFLMAO..... Man didn't take the noob long to see that.......;)

Glenn could have kept Sigmund busy for a while.......:eek:

[glennac]

ROFLMAO..... Man didn't take the noob long to see that.......;)

Glenn could have kept Sigmund busy for a while.......:eek:

This coming from the man who posted that Nam vets who did there duty were psychos and I guess according to you the commie loving druggie hippies who were protesting us and hoping for a commie victory were the good guys. I'll take criticism from you any day thank you.:)

[sline-dawg]

If I remember correctly.... that comment was after you said a man protecting his property by staying all night in a pickup was psycho.....;) I'll gladly repost if I need to...... An Army invading a foreign country is somewhat different..... ya think....:confused:

[glennac]

If I remember correctly.... that comment was after you said a man protecting his property by staying all night in a pickup was psycho.....;) I'll gladly repost if I need to...... An Army invading a foreign country is somewhat different..... ya think....:confused:

What property? the Kerry for President sign. Kerry was a traitor and supported N Vietnam. Please re post your post we would love to see it again.

We never invaded we went there to protect S Vietnam from being invaded by N. Vietnam with all the backing of the Warsaw Pack and Red China who send a few million labors into N. Vietnam so they could send all there men down to take over S Vietnam along with Cambodia and Laos.

Several million innocent S. Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians lost there lives after the defeat of freedom in SE Asia and hundreds of thousands spent up to 10 years in "re education camps" after the war. Please re post your post for all to see. When I get time I will if you don't.

[glennac]

By the way sline dog you seem to be stalking me all the time. I guess you just can't stand an American who has fought for his country and who hates communists here as well as overseas. I believe you have a problem here. Perhaps you should listen to frostman and stop trowing out insults to other members. Thank you very much.

[glennac]

OK sline dog here is all the posts relating to your comment that Nam vets were psychos. Un edited and unabridged. You wanted it posted well here it is. Thank you very much.


Originally Posted by chillerfreak
Reminds me of my neighbor during the last election....He is a young guy...kind of looks like Jesse James (the one on TV) and is big. He used to play college football and you wouldn't want to be on his bad side. He didn't care for Bush and had Kerry signs up in his yard that kept getting stolen....something that was happening a lot in our area....He actually started sleeping outside in the back of his pickup trying to catch the culprits....The funny part is that he was all worked up when he went down to the campaign headquarters to pick up new signs.....the campaign workers got a little worried when he told them what he was going to to the thieves when he caught them....

Must have been a real commie psyco to sleep in a truck protecting that traitor Kerry yard sign

Originally Posted by glennac
Must have been a real commie psyco to sleep in a truck protecting that traitor Kerry yard sign.

And what kind of psycho digs into a rice patty in a foreign country to kill homeland people....

Shoe looks different on the other foot......

Originally Posted by sline-dawg
And what kind of psycho digs into a rice patty in a foreign country to kill homeland people....
Shoe looks different on the other foot......
My post to yours
Maybe one who loves his country and puts on the uniform and fights for freedom and liberty for the world, instead of letting the communists take over one country at a time through the domino effect. S Vietnam was invaded by the communist North and we went to defend them.

I am sorry to hear that you support the communist side and consider those who answered the call to defend the world against communists as psychos. Makes you wonder who is American or not?

Originally Posted by sline-dawg
And what kind of psycho digs into a rice patty in a foreign country to kill homeland people....
Shoe looks different on the other foot......

How about the kind that was drafted and did what his country required of him? Right, wrong or indifferent, American soldiers in Vietnam were partiots in the fact that they were doing what their country required of them, even if the reasons their country was involved in Vietnam may not have been sound.

You just called a lot of members of this forum psychos for doing what they believed was the right thing to do because our government decided it was the right thing to do.
__________________


New and improved, kinder and gentler RoBoTeq

[sline-dawg]

Yeah, I am entertained easily.....:)

This was still a free country when I woke this morning......:cool:

http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=186844


Please let me know if things change....;)

[sline-dawg]

Sorry Chaard...... I really didn't mean to hijack.....:o Sorry....


Perhaps Glenn and I can start a thread about the Viet Nam conflict and our own misconceptions of world politics.....:D


We now return you to your regularly scheduled program........:eek:

[k-fridge]

Y'all are gonna make me gray headed (like I need help at my age).

[mrs reb77]

ROFLMAO..... Man didn't take the noob long to see that.......;)




Funny, he doesn't really seem like a noob....really seems like he's probably been here much longer than 6 short days....

[acmanko]

Funny, he doesn't really seem like a noob....really seems like he's probably been here much longer than 6 short days.... Yes, we should be able to win money if we could guess who everyone used to be.:rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Suggest that to the powers that be! :D


By the way, Missouri is still not official for either Presidential Candidate. McCain is still ahead though. Almost seems like our Democratic Secretary of State is dragging this out for some reason....;)

[acmanko]

Suggest that to the powers that be! :D


By the way, Missouri is still not official for either Presidential Candidate. McCain is still ahead though. Almost seems like our Democratic Secretary of State is dragging this out for some reason....;) What was the womans name down in Florida? Hughes i think, maybe she should be called in. Could put some show mw back in Mizzou

[k-fridge]

What was the womans name down in Florida? Hughes i think, maybe she should be called in. Could put some show mw back in Mizzou
Katherine Harris

[JRINJAX]

What was the womans name down in Florida? Hughes i think, maybe she should be called in. Could put some show mw back in Mizzou

It is amazing that all the Libs think Katherine Harris tried to cook-the-books during the election but do not find it unusual that 30+ ballots are found in a pollworker's car trunk [all for the Democrat, Al Frankenstien] in Minnesota.

The US Supreme Court's Liberals could not even look the other way as Democrats tried to steal the Florida election and destroy Katherine Harris.

[acmanko]

It is amazing that all the Libs think Katherine Harris tried to cook-the-books during the election but do not find it unusual that 30+ ballots are found in a pollworker's car trunk [all for the Democrat, Al Frankenstien] in Minnesota.

The US Supreme Court's Liberals could not even look the other way as Democrats tried to steal the Florida election and destroy Katherine Harris.
I was suggesting she show Mizzou how to remain Red.

[mrs reb77]

It's strange how CNN can call an election before the polls are even closed but our Democrat Secretary of State can't seem to get this one done two weeks after the polls close.

Maybe it's all those provisional ACORN registered voter's ballots? ;)

[acmanko]

It should be like an out of bounds call in BB. this time it goes to the one on the left.

[mrs reb77]

How about just giving it to the guy with more votes instead of trying to find more votes for the other fella?

[acmanko]

How about just giving it to the guy with more votes instead of trying to find more votes for the other fella?
That would be to easy:confused:

[JRINJAX]

That would be to easy:confused:
That goes "against the grain" of the Liberal Prime Directive of "Determined Outcome".

[acmanko]

That goes "against the grain" of the Liberal Prime Directive of "Determined Outcome".well, the laws on the books would need to be changed, but any candidate has the right to ask for a recount as it stands now.

[ga-hvac-tech]

well, the laws on the books would need to be changed, but any candidate has the right to ask for a recount as it stands now.

Since when do liberals follow laws... yeah, GOP cheats a little also... but I suspect if one carefully (and objectively) counted all the infractions, they would find the left side of the isle has considerably more than the right (that is why it is called 'right' :D ).

[acmanko]

Since when do liberals follow laws... yeah, GOP cheats a little also... but I suspect if one carefully (and objectively) counted all the infractions, they would find the left side of the isle has considerably more than the right (that is why it is called 'right' :D ).and all this time, I thought it had to do with human anatomy:o

[ga-hvac-tech]

and all this time, I thought it had to do with human anatomy:o

See what happens when a liberal 'thinks'... :D

[acmanko]

See what happens when a liberal 'thinks'... :D
why would you think I'm liberal,especially when I say I'm ultra conservative.

[ga-hvac-tech]

why would you think I'm liberal,especially when I say I'm ultra conservative.

To me, and let me stress this is only my observations and opinions; the underlying attitude I see in folks speaks louder to me than the words they say.

To answer your question; My opinion (and let me stress that this is only my opinion) is that a true conservative believes in the principles the founding fathers wrote into the constitution. (I might mention that the recent administration has abandoned the ways of true conservative values, and got what they deserved for the error of their ways). And they believe those principles are wiser than men, and as such follow them rather than trying to change them.

Again, let me point out that this is my view (and I suspect not shared by many folks).

[JRINJAX]

why would you think I'm liberal,especially when I say I'm ultra conservative.I must comliment you on how completely you are able to disguise it [your conservatism]. I never would have guessed....

[acmanko]

well to me, the original founders were anything but conservative. Free men not ruled by a King was quite liberal in the 1700's
life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. again quite liberal for the day.
consevative thought , by definition , is a school of liberalism.
so lets put down some issues
1) gun ownership- I favor
2) heterosexual marrige- only way to go
3) abortion- I do not agree with but I'm not a woman
4)Taxes- I look at the good they do and try to ignore what I cannot change
5) Religion- each should choose his or her own
6) education- parents responsibility, but again this falls back to taxes
7) Defence- strong as possible
8)preserve the status quo- If the majority will it, thats the way it is.

[ga-hvac-tech]

I must compliment you on how completely you are able to disguise it [your conservatism]. I never would have guessed....

Well said... :D

But then, I suspect everyone on this forum except me knows my glaring faults... :eek::confused:

Lets see if our resident liberal in conservative clothing can find a mirror to look in... ;)

[acmanko]

I must comliment you on how completely you are able to disguise it [your conservatism]. I never would have guessed....
Thank you, read on:)

[acmanko]

Well said... :D

But then, I suspect everyone on this forum except me knows my glaring faults... :eek::confused:

Lets see if our resident liberal in conservative clothing can find a mirror to look in... ;)

1)to quick to judge
2)unsure of what a conservative REALLY is

[ga-hvac-tech]

1)to quick to judge
2)unsure of what a conservative REALLY is

Au contrair...

1) Not too quick to judge, rather one that has experienced too much life to let things go...

2) Some folks are quite sure what a conservative really is... And a true conservative understands waaay more than Wikipedia reveals.

Wisdom goes way beyond facts and logic. One only gains wisdom by experience.

[acmanko]

Au contrair...

1) Not too quick to judge, rather one that has experienced too much life to let things go...

2) Some folks are quite sure what a conservative really is... And a true conservative understands waaay more than Wikipedia reveals.

Wisdom goes way beyond facts and logic. One only gains wisdom by experience.
I never mentioned Wikipedia, but go ahead tell me your beliefs. Other than family values, whatever thats supposed to mean. No two familiea are alike. Or do you believe only in biblical values?

[JRINJAX]

well to me, the original founders were anything but conservative. Free men not ruled by a King was quite liberal in the 1700's
life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. again quite liberal for the day.
consevative thought , by definition , is a school of liberalism.
so lets put down some issues
1) gun ownership- I favor
2) heterosexual marrige- only way to go
3) abortion- I do not agree with but I'm not a woman
4)Taxes- I look at the good they do and try to ignore what I cannot change
5) Religion- each should choose his or her own
6) education- parents responsibility, but again this falls back to taxes
7) Defence- strong as possible
8)preserve the status quo- If the majority will it, thats the way it is.

The Founding Fathers were "Standouts" in the wisdom of their day [and today], not liberals with loose morals.

What you have to understand is; Their Written ideals are "Ground Zero" for the way our nation was to be run as long as it would last.

A true conservative believes this, a liberal scoffs at this since they are much wiser than the Founders.

The Liberals also believe that "the ends justifies the means" and their writings are obosolete.

This is why the unwanted mass of babies the "Great Society" brought on us was solved by ignoring the right to LIFE, Liberty..... was ignored to pursue greed and laziness.

Benedict Arnold was a great asset for the Founding Fathers until he lost sight of his ideals and went with the "easy way".

The Founding Fathers gave us a prime example of how to cure traitorous liberalism at the end of a rope.

We have lost sight of their wisdom and adopted "live and let live" [except for unborn babies].

[ga-hvac-tech]

I never mentioned Wikipedia, but go ahead tell me your beliefs. Other than family values, whatever thats supposed to mean. No two familiea are alike. Or do you believe only in biblical values?

I already did Ace; wisdom surpasses facts and logic... think on that one for a while my friend.

Hint: Wisdom cannot be revealed nor understood in either black and white terms nor in sound bytes.

[bootlen]

Ecc. 10:5

Thought you could use this bit of wisdom.:rolleyes::cool:

[acmanko]

I already did Ace; wisdom surpasses facts and logic... think on that one for a while my friend.

Hint: Wisdom cannot be revealed nor understood in either black and white terms nor in sound bytes.

Hint: conservatism cannot be quantified as black or white, there are to many shades of grey.

[acmanko]

Ecc. 10:5

Thought you could use this bit of wisdom.:rolleyes::cool:believeing what you read in a book is liberal.

[acmanko]

The Founding Fathers were "Standouts" in the wisdom of their day [and today], not liberals with loose morals.

What you have to understand is; Their Written ideals are "Ground Zero" for the way our nation was to be run as long as it would last.

A true conservative believes this, a liberal scoffs at this since they are much wiser than the Founders.

The Liberals also believe that "the ends justifies the means" and their writings are obosolete.

This is why the unwanted mass of babies the "Great Society" brought on us was solved by ignoring the right to LIFE, Liberty..... was ignored to pursue greed and laziness.

Benedict Arnold was a great asset for the Founding Fathers until he lost sight of his ideals and went with the "easy way".

The Founding Fathers gave us a prime example of how to cure traitorous liberalism at the end of a rope.

We have lost sight of their wisdom and adopted "live and let live" [except for unborn babies].

lots of doublespeak contained in this morsel. I don't believe you even understand what you paste

[frostman]

What property? the Kerry for President sign. Kerry was a traitor and supported N Vietnam. Please re post your post we would love to see it again.

We never invaded we went there to protect S Vietnam from being invaded by N. Vietnam with all the backing of the Warsaw Pack and Red China who send a few million labors into N. Vietnam so they could send all there men down to take over S Vietnam along with Cambodia and Laos.

Several million innocent S. Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians lost there lives after the defeat of freedom in SE Asia and hundreds of thousands spent up to 10 years in "re education camps" after the war. Please re post your post for all to see. When I get time I will if you don't.
Kerry supported north vietnam??? Someone listens to way to much "conservative" radio

[JRINJAX]

lots of doublespeak contained in this morsel. I don't believe you even understand what you paste Wow, that was rude, I did not paste that, I composed it only from personal experience. Maybe you need something... more meds?

[ga-hvac-tech]

lots of doublespeak contained in this morsel. I don't believe you even understand what you paste

Ahh my searching friend, A true conservative has the ability to sort out doublespeak, as well as savor the morsels of truth that come along...

[JRINJAX]

Kerry supported north vietnam??? Someone listens to way to much "conservative" radio
Sure Kerry supported North Viet Nam. When they [the media] talked to the top Viet general after the war, He claimed the "North" was ready to fold until Kerry, Jane and Walter C. proclaimed their failed Tet offensive a sucess.

They decided to hang in there a while longer and the USA started more peace talks....

The rest is a victory for Liberals...a defeat for the USA.

[bootlen]

believeing what you read in a book is liberal.

Don't know where ya get that. Ya musta read a liberal book or sump'm.

[acmanko]

Don't know where ya get that. Ya musta read a liberal book or sump'm.

here read it if you can

http://www.newser.com/story/6224/liberals-read-more-than-conservatives.html

[ga-hvac-tech]

here read it if you can

http://www.newser.com/story/6224/liberals-read-more-than-conservatives.html

From my thinking, this begs to ask two questions:

1) Do the liberals read quality material, and
2) Do they understand what they read??

So as usual, the real story is understood by digging deeper... ;)

[acmanko]

From my thinking, this begs to ask two questions:

1) Do the liberals read quality material, and
2) Do they understand what they read??

So as usual, the real story is understood by digging deeper... ;)I believe it means libs can read better than conservatives.:D

[ga-hvac-tech]

I believe it means libs can read better than conservatives.:D

It would appear my post flew WAAAAY over your head... :D

[acmanko]

It would appear my post flew WAAAAY over your head... :D
No way jose, I know I don't read much, the last book i read was the Battle for Berlin, but with these computers , I can listen to all the news I can stand.

[bootlen]

here read it if you can

http://www.newser.com/story/6224/liberals-read-more-than-conservatives.html

But of course they are more avid readers. And they believe everything they read, regardless of content. THAT'S what makes libs so namby-pamby wishy-washy.

[acmanko]

But of course they are more avid readers. And they believe everything they read, regardless of content. THAT'S what makes libs so namby-pamby wishy-washy.you never heard me say Bush was conservative and then say he wasn't. I always said he wasn't. That alone makes you flip-floppity.

[chaard]

Everyone is asking when will Obama start leading this Country. Bush is leaving and our economy can't wait another month and a half for the Pres.-elect to start making some decisions.

Tom Brokaw questioned when will Obama start leading.

http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/nbc-today-show-brokaw-obama-probably-working-the-phone/_vVb3CpDv2tZAB13HCnf_Iv16q64oaKo/?icid=VIDURVNWS05


And now the Dems are asking too. Where's Obama?


WASHINGTON – Democrats are growing impatient with President-elect Barack Obama's refusal to inject himself in the major economic crises confronting the country. Obama has sidestepped some policy questions by saying there is only one president at a time. But the dodge is wearing thin. "He's going to have to be more assertive than he's been," House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., told consumer advocates Thursday.

Frank, who has been dealing with both the bailout of the financial industry and a proposed rescue of Detroit automakers, said Obama needs to play a more significant role on economic issues.

"At a time of great crisis with mortgage foreclosures and autos, he says we only have one president at a time," Frank said. "I'm afraid that overstates the number of presidents we have. He's got to remedy that situation."

Two Democratic senators involved in trying to salvage the auto companies have said Obama could help move the process along and should become more engaged.

"The Obama team has to step up," Sen. Christopher Dodd, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee and one of the lead negotiators, said Nov. 21 in Hartford, Conn. "In the minds of the people, this is the Obama administration. I don't think we can wait until January 20."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_sidelines

[conky]

"Hussen" is only The Head of "The Office Of The President Elect" for now. Now come Jan. After he becomes President of the 57 States, then he can watch the "Clinton Admin." Take over for their third term.

You Betcha,
Stay Gold,
Conky

[ga-hvac-tech]

Everyone is asking when will Obama start leading this Country. Bush is leaving and our economy can't wait another month and a half for the Pres.-elect to start making some decisions.

Tom Brokaw questioned when will Obama start leading.

http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/nbc-today-show-brokaw-obama-probably-working-the-phone/_vVb3CpDv2tZAB13HCnf_Iv16q64oaKo/?icid=VIDURVNWS05


And now the Dems are asking too. Where's Obama?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_sidelines

Interesting thought pattern "We elected this new guy, because he is our savior and will fix everything... now we do not care about the laws of the land and we have totally ignored our old friend Mr Common Sense; just make the pain go away so I can feel good about my bad choices (and not deal with the fact I made them)"

It seems we as a nation have chosen to behave like spoiled children who care not what choices they make, someone else should just fix it. If one studies the history of the world, one finds countries that were great but died due to selfish and childish choices; and IMO the practice of an attitude which leads to childish and selfish choices.

My message to the nation (well, to each citizen in the nation): GROW UP! Take responsibility for the bad choices you made, and fix them yourselves. The maturity and wisdom that will come from that tuff experience will make one into a better person, and will grow our country back into the greatness we used to have.

Oh, and concerning Tom Brokaw jumping on the wagon of 'When will you start leading Mr Obama'... A news reporting agency cares not what they report, or what the results of that report; they only care about getting the story out FIRST, for their ratings. Kinda like a person that gets drunk at a party, not caring what may well happen when they have to drive home.

Lets not forget; the roots of this finacial mess are grounded in the Clinton Administration. So to say that we need to quickly hustle GW Bush out of office (break the laws of the land), so we can 'fix things'; is yet again supporting the lie that this economic mess is ALL GW Bush's fault. Yes, SOME of the fault lies with GW... but not all. The ROOTS of the problem go to the Clintons... and if the Clintons are not capable of making wise choices for the economy, why are we about to trust them with foreign policy?

[chaard]

I don't see how anything you just said makes any sense. Tell me how 550,000 unemployed workers, just in the last month, will miraculously turn the economy around?

[smokin68]

The need to get "W" out out there is for damage control...so he doesn't make any more brilliant announcements such as "We're now in a recession". Obama isn't the president yet.....so stop trying to fault someone who isn't in office. Nice try though. If he was interfering, he'd catch crap for that too....

[acmanko]

the roots from the clinton administration would have supported a mighty tree, but along came Gop and exposed them to sunlight, due to the erosion of fiscal values.

[ga-hvac-tech]

the roots from the clinton administration would have supported a mighty tree, but along came Gop and exposed them to sunlight, due to the erosion of fiscal values.

Lessee if I got this right: Forcing the banks to lend mortgage $$$ to folks that could not pay it back (kinda like installing a new system for someone that cannot pay), was a good root? Please explain that to me, I do not understand.

[ga-hvac-tech]

The need to get "W" out of there is for damage control...so he doesn't make any more brilliant announcements such as "We're now in a recession". Obama isn't the president yet.....so stop trying to fault someone who isn't in office. Nice try though. If he was interfering, he'd catch crap for that too....

I have a six pack of beer that says by the end of 4 years, folks will think "H" (BHO) is the problem and that we need to get him out of office ASAP for damage control...

Now lessee, If folks really knew how the economy worked, nobody would worry about what ANY politician said, because they would know better.

And we think a democracy of un-informed voters is a good idea... Small wonder our country is in trouble.

Let me explain: There is this thingy called the business cycle. There will be periods of economic expansion (good times), and periods of economic correction (recession). And the severity of a correction is proportional to the intensity of the previous expansion. So if we have a LONG and prosperous expansion period, we will have a deeper correction (could be a depression).

For all of history, governments have tried to stop this cycle... guess what: They cannot.

The problem here is that the public (read that voters) do not realize the business cycle will go on regardless of what a politician does. So when a goofball comes along and says they will end the cycles... folks believe it. The result is an extended expansion period (enough for the politician to end their time in office, and leave on a high--creating the FALSE idea that their administration was good). Then the correction (that always will happen) comes along and the person in office gets blamed for the excesses of what the previous guy did.

In recent history, that would be the excesses of Bill Clinton are being blamed on GW Bush.

[kim]

Lets see the republicans controlled the congress for most of the Clinton presidency, but they are blameless for laws passed under their watch?
We had a republican president for the last 8 years as well as a republican congress. If the republicans are too incompetant to do their job, shouldn't they get some of the blame as well?

If more than a decade is not enough time for the republicans to fix the mistakes of the previous administration, how can Obama fix them in 1 month?

For some people all that matters, is finding somebody else to blame.
Just tell all those unemployed people, Clinton was the only one making laws for the last 16 years. I am sure they will be much happier.

[acmanko]

Lessee if I got this right: Forcing the banks to lend mortgage $$$ to folks that could not pay it back (kinda like installing a new system for someone that cannot pay), was a good root? Please explain that to me, I do not understand.
that everything to do with Allen Greenspan and his monetary policy of letting Bankers control their own greed. and its not that people foreclosed thats causing the problem. its the fact that the loans were chopped up , mixed and bundled into securities( complicated) then sold to greedy investors that caused the problem

[ga-hvac-tech]

that everything to do with Allen Greenspan and his monetary policy of letting Bankers control their own greed. and its not that people foreclosed thats causing the problem. its the fact that the loans were chopped up , mixed and bundled into securities( complicated) then sold to greedy investors that caused the problem

Ace, I think many of us are more than aware of the way mortgages were bundled and re-rated into all kinds of interesting financial instruments.

The reason the loans were bundled and rerated was to hide the bad loans; the loans that were 'high risk'. And the definition of a high risk loan is the probability of the borrower (in this case a homeowner that was not qualified for the loan) not repaying the loan on schedule (most likely because the borrower does not have the capability unless we are in an ever expanding market).

So it appears to me if someone (Bill Clinton) had not forced the banks to make loans to folks that were high risk (in this case the lie Bill Clinton used was to say the loans were for racial equality--never mind the folks could not pay back the loans and there would be a financial crises after Billy boy was out of office), then rebundling and rerating of loans would not have been necessary.

And while we are playing the blame game; what about folks that consciously bought houses they could not afford. Should we simply excuse them because they were chasing the 'American Dream'?

And while we are at it: What about the majority of folks that lived within their means, which are now suffering because the few caused this financial mess?

One needs to look at the big picture, ask the question why (repeatedly if necessary), and dig until they see the WHOLE chain of events to understand the real problem. Otherwise (IMO), the one that reacts to a sound bite is easy prey for a smooth politician to lie to them and buy their vote. And who would really like to admit (even privately) they were bought off by a slick willy???

IMO the solution; spend enough time studying and learning... then one is wise enough to see through the rhetoric and not be caught up in the BS (or be used as a stepping stone in a politician's career).

[acmanko]

well, I pay all my bills on time, have very little debt and sit in complete amazement that those who are over extended are recieving government help. in fact I'm so peed off about it I can only laugh, but I refuse to place blame on any one particular political party. when you blame one, I can just as easily blame the other.
but neither party had anything to do with homebuilders building a 20 year supply of homes in a 6 year period and then everyone and their brother jumping on the wagon till it collapsed
I'm all for austerity and the pain that goes with it.

[ga-hvac-tech]

well, I pay all my bills on time, have very little debt and sit in complete amazement that those who are over extended are recieving government help. in fact I'm so peed off about it I can only laugh, but I refuse to place blame on any one particular political party. when you blame one, I can just as easily blame the other.
but neither party had anything to do with homebuilders building a 20 year supply of homes in a 6 year period and then everyone and their brother jumping on the wagon till it collapsed
I'm all for austerity and the pain that goes with it.

Now that is an interesting point Ace, well noted.

I have seen builders do this in past boom/bust cycles. It was explained to me in 1981 that builders have HUGE ego's. They will keep building until one of them goes broke... because not a one is smart enough (or cautious enough) to stop first and loose face. And if it is all OP's $$$ (bank financing), then why would the builder care???

Seems to me the next problem to look at is the banks... And if I remember, Thomas Jefferson said a lot of negative things about bankers... kinda like; do not trust them and do not give them much power. (You see, we have taken this one step deeper, and found yet another problem; I wonder what the next step will reveal).

Funny how we did not take that wise advise from Thomas Jefferson, and we are now paying the price? Hmmm, I wonder if there are other things in life where heeding wise advise will avoid consequences???

[acmanko]

Now that is an interesting point Ace, well noted.

I have seen builders do this in past boom/bust cycles. It was explained to me in 1981 that builders have HUGE ego's. They will keep building until one of them goes broke... because not a one is smart enough (or cautious enough) to stop first and loose face. And if it is all OP's $$$ (bank financing), then why would the builder care???

Seems to me the next problem to look at is the banks... And if I remember, Thomas Jefferson said a lot of negative things about bankers... kinda like; do not trust them and do not give them much power. (You see, we have taken this one step deeper, and found yet another problem; I wonder what the next step will reveal).

Funny how we did not take that wise advise from Thomas Jefferson, and we are now paying the price? Hmmm, I wonder if there are other things in life where heeding wise advise will avoid consequences??? saving seems to be one of them
the saying a penney saved is a penney earned has lost its lustre. my savings account is paying a tenth of a penney on the dollar, Money markets are paying adoule that and mutual funds are losing 30% or better.
spending it before you get makes almost as much sense, especially since not paying it back has its rewards.

[ga-hvac-tech]

saving seems to be one of them
the saying a penney saved is a penney earned has lost its lustre. my savings account is paying a tenth of a penney on the dollar, Money markets are paying adoule that and mutual funds are losing 30% or better.

In all honesty, there are better returns out there... however, I am not licensed to give investment advise and would not want to lead anyone in a direction that does not profit them. I will say that if one is willing to do the research (they call it 'doing your own due diligence' or DYODD in the investing world), one can find a risk/reward scenario they can live with.


spending it before you get makes almost as much sense, especially since not paying it back has its rewards.

Kinda like the late 1970's and early 1980's? I remember that all to well. However, the other side of that is racking up too much debt, something that is not a wise thing to do IMO.

Each of us has to make choices, and each of us has to live with those choices... and I suspect nobody gets it right all the time.

Tell you what Ace; Do some research and find 10 places that pay good interest on CD's. Then bring the list back (post them) and lets go through the list to see which are good risks and which are not.

Hint: RISK is the word here. A return of 10% (or better) is not worth a dime if the bank (or whatever) goes under and one looses their principle.

[kim]

Reminds me of a job I had where the boss had easy financing (@ 20% interest). I would tell somebody I could fix there system for $400 or I could sell them a new one for $200 a month. They could not realize that $200 savings was a long term debt. I could not explain that situation to them, because my job was to maximize the bosses profits.

Banks do the same thing. They charged low payments for a year or two then payments sometimes doubled. Stupid people fall for that.
Optimistic people think they will be getting a 3% raise every year and possibly be promoted to a higher paying job. They can skrimp by for a couple of years then their morgage would be a reasonable expense. Along comes illness, home repairs, car accidents, etc. and they are without a safety net. They took the gamble and lost. Now they want me to bail them out.
I have worked in some of the nicest neighborhoods in town. You drive up to this nice house with 3 nice cars and the place has no furniture. They can't even afford to clean the evap. They say "The last guy just added freon and it worked fine." I new there was a reason why it was overcharged.

By the way my house was a real fixer-up-er. I had it 4 months before being able to move in. I have spend 3X as much on improvements as I spent buying it.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Reminds me of a job I had where the boss had easy financing (@ 20% interest). I would tell somebody I could fix there system for $400 or I could sell them a new one for $200 a month. They could not realize that $200 savings was a long term debt. I could not explain that situation to them, because my job was to maximize the bosses profits.

Banks do the same thing. They charged low payments for a year or two then payments sometimes doubled. Stupid people fall for that.
Optimistic people think they will be getting a 3% raise every year and possibly be promoted to a higher paying job. They can skrimp by for a couple of years then their morgage would be a reasonable expense. Along comes illness, home repairs, car accidents, etc. and they are without a safety net. They took the gamble and lost. Now they want me to bail them out.
I have worked in some of the nicest neighborhoods in town. You drive up to this nice house with 3 nice cars and the place has no furniture. They can't even afford to clean the evap. They say "The last guy just added freon and it worked fine." I new there was a reason why it was overcharged.

By the way my house was a real fixer-up-er. I had it 4 months before being able to move in. I have spend 3X as much on improvements as I spent buying it.

Wise observations about bankers, they are crooks IMO.

I did the same with my house. While I cannot say I spent more doing the repairs, I did get a good deal and did a LOT of work. The difference was I moved in and started to work on it.

[acmanko]

In all honesty, there are better returns out there... however, I am not licensed to give investment advise and would not want to lead anyone in a direction that does not profit them. I will say that if one is willing to do the research (they call it 'doing your own due diligence' or DYODD in the investing world), one can find a risk/reward scenario they can live with.



Kinda like the late 1970's and early 1980's? I remember that all to well. However, the other side of that is racking up too much debt, something that is not a wise thing to do IMO.

Each of us has to make choices, and each of us has to live with those choices... and I suspect nobody gets it right all the time.

Tell you what Ace; Do some research and find 10 places that pay good interest on CD's. Then bring the list back (post them) and lets go through the list to see which are good risks and which are not.

Hint: RISK is the word here. A return of 10% (or better) is not worth a dime if the bank (or whatever) goes under and one looses their principle. I've actually been doing the research and its difficult to find a bank worth its salt to give money to
Capitalone 5% five years 1000 minimun
Country wide 3.5% five years
Texas State bank 3.5 five years
Compass Bank 3.5 five years
City Bank Texas 2.5
American National (my Bank) to low to mention, but extremely stable

all others except some Puerto Rican Banks are laughable

I could buy life insurance policies from some older people who need the money, but I don't like the idea

REITS are not for me

Ginnie Mae Bonds are probably the best bet but I've got them already

[harry baldini]

Getting back to the op, it's an unfair commentary to suggest that Obama isn't "acting" presidential.
He's taken more action in transition than either of his last two predecessors.
And to suggest that he will rule instead of preside is also unfair and narrow minded.
I realize that there are many people who are upset that Obama was elected but it seems more than a bit unfair to condemn the man before he's had a chance.
He's your next president whether you like it or not. It's un-American not to evaluate him based on what he does as opposed to our own prejudices.
JMO

[ga-hvac-tech]

I've actually been doing the research and its difficult to find a bank worth its salt to give money to
Capitalone 5% five years 1000 minimun
Country wide 3.5% five years
Texas State bank 3.5 five years
Compass Bank 3.5 five years
City Bank Texas 2.5
American National (my Bank) to low to mention, but extremely stable

all others except some Puerto Rican Banks are laughable

I could buy life insurance policies from some older people who need the money, but I don't like the idea

REITS are not for me

Ginnie Mae Bonds are probably the best bet but I've got them already

Ahhh, you found what I believe to be an interesting part of the investing world; When reward is high, risk is high also. There are exceptions, but they are not easy to find.

BTW: I agree, I did not see a single bank in your list I would place any funds with.

Keep looking, lets see what you find.

[acmanko]

the best so far is paying off the piggybak mortgage.

[ga-hvac-tech]

the best so far is paying off the piggybak mortgage.

If I am understanding you correctly (?) a 'second' is always a good thing to get rid of... they tend to be not very consumer friendly in the terms of repayment.

I am currently reading an economic newsletter written in Australia. The author is VERY fussy about any part of it being forwarded (his income you know), so I cannot post anything in the open.

What he is saying (different view than the American media) looks pretty grim for the next year or so. My advise from this reading: Hold on to cash, pay off debt as one can, and do not be too fussy about income streams... a sale that pays most of what one usually gets is better than no sale at all.

[acmanko]

If I am understanding you correctly (?) a 'second' is always a good thing to get rid of... they tend to be not very consumer friendly in the terms of repayment.

I am currently reading an economic newsletter written in Australia. The author is VERY fussy about any part of it being forwarded (his income you know), so I cannot post anything in the open.

What he is saying (different view than the American media) looks pretty grim for the next year or so. My advise from this reading: Hold on to cash, pay off debt as one can, and do not be too fussy about income streams... a sale that pays most of what one usually gets is better than no sale at all.I have always been one to hold onto cash

Debt , if managed properly is not a bad thing. why pay for something in todays dollars , when creditors are happy recieving those dollars in the future when they are worth less

at the time (2001) a piggyback was better than PMI, which now will be tax deductible. Oh well, can't win them all

one other note, being happy with a small return also means losing nothing on a bet.

[chaard]

Getting back to the op, it's an unfair commentary to suggest that Obama isn't "acting" presidential.
He's taken more action in transition than either of his last two predecessors.
And to suggest that he will rule instead of preside is also unfair and narrow minded.
I realize that there are many people who are upset that Obama was elected but it seems more than a bit unfair to condemn the man before he's had a chance.
He's your next president whether you like it or not. It's un-American not to evaluate him based on what he does as opposed to our own prejudices.
JMO

If you read my last post you will see Obamas own party is questioning why he has not been more involved. and the drive by media is now questioning Obamas lack of direction. Just because he doesn't officially become POTUS until Jan 20, 2009 doesn't mean he shouldn't be involved in some way. I am no longer upset that he is Pres. elect. UnAmerican? Come on. That means 66% of this country is unAmerican cause they disapproved of Bush. More action than his last two predecessors? How?

[kim]

Shouldn't the real question be:
"What the current president doing about this mess?"

[whec720]

Shouldn't the real question be:
"What the current president doing about this mess?"

Nope. He's outta there in a month. You're beloved Dems can fix it.:)

[Richard Kletty]

So an agreement is signed under the BUSH administration undermining the new president-elects agenda, which will undoubtedly now be Obama's fault if the troops aren't withdrawn. Nice. Typical political BS.


Nah actually it was the elected who said that he would not be able to draw the troops out on day one as promised. Dude, he lied to you and you bought it.




Hell McCain couldn't make it through the campaign stage without a direct LIE that was acted apon(signing bailout with pork attached).


That was worse than "READ MY LIPS...." from Bush Sr.


Not gonna argue there. We are gonna see though. There will be some serious changes in this country in the next 4 years and it wont be good and it wont be Bush's fault. Im not saying George was the best. Im just telling you how its gonna be. You wont have Bush to blame. You wont even have Obama to blame. You will have yourselves to blame. My hands are clean.

[harry baldini]

More action than his last two predecessors? How?
His transition has progressed faster than either Clinton or Bush transitioned.
You're attacking Obama for a lack of action and what I'm telling you is that Obama is doing quite a bit to get his transition done...and he's doing it faster than GWB or Clinton.
I wonder if you would have had these same unwarranted criticisms if your candidate had won.

[harry baldini]

It's laughable reading someone who's "telling us how it's gonna' be" with Obama running the show.
Where were all you clarivoyants when we got GWB elected? I sure wish we would have had the benefit of all your prophesy to letuss knowThat the economy would be in the crapper and our
boys would still be fighting for nothing in the ME. Oh, and I sure would have wanted to know that
our borders were going to be an open spigot for everyone to just come on in.
The man isn't even in office yet and you're telling us how itks going to be? LOL

[mrs reb77]

:D It's easier to 'transition' if you're putting people back into their old jobs :D

No President Elect has ever had the Office of the President Elect before either that I'm aware of. As well as a several year official race for the office...:D

[harry baldini]

Can't disagree with either of those observations, Mrs. Reb.
Bill Clinton was severely criticized for his complacency in getting his team together and Bush used his share of inner circle retreads in his transition.
Doesn't inspire much confidence in essential change when we see the same types of political insiders coming into Obama's admin.

[acmanko]

:D It's easier to 'transition' if you're putting people back into their old jobs :D

No President Elect has ever had the Office of the President Elect before either that I'm aware of. As well as a several year official race for the office...:D
there has always been a office of the president elect. the problem with you memory is the fact GWBush's transition was held up because there was no clear winner in 2000. The Supreme Court took to long to select a president, Bush nor Gore knew who would occupy the office