Race Was Not An Issue

[trane]

Funny to me how race was always on the back burner in this election with no one wanting to say anything that might be associated with playing the race card but as soon as he wins CNN has people quoting MLK and all of a sudden its a victory for a race and not the USA.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5097668.ece


Next it will be Santa

[Snapperhead]

there will be race conflicts until the end of time

[bootlen]

Barry played the race card from day one. Everybody knows it...with the possible exception of Barry.

[glennac]

Funny to me how race was always on the back burner in this election with no one wanting to say anything that might be associated with playing the race card but as soon as he wins CNN has people quoting MLK and all of a sudden its a victory for a race and not the USA.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5097668.ece
Next it will be Santa

Race got him elected. All the Blacks turned out to vote for a Black man. Race was an issue and also a lot of Whites voted for him because he was Black also and that way they could help get rid of the "White guilt" which the leftest media has instilled on a daily basis for the last 45 years to a lot of gullible Whites.

[acmanko]

I'm white and I've never felt guilty. I had nothing to do with buying slaves from black slave traders.

[Mr Bill]

I'm white and I've never felt guilty.

Me neither! were we supposed to fell guilty? I must have missed that. :eek:

[acmanko]

Me neither! were we supposed to fell guilty? I must have missed that. :eek: yea, you owe compensation for your sins. me, i don't believe in the word.

[Mr Bill]

yea, you owe compensation for your sins. me, i don't believe in the word.


I http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/mrbillpro/repent.gif

[RoBoTeq]

Barry played the race card from day one. Everybody knows it...with the possible exception of Barry.
Of course Obama played the race card. He even created the race issue by declaring himself to be Black just so he could play the race card.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama had his typical Whitey grandmother's demise implemented the night before the elections just to get a percentage of sympathy votes. Obama literally did anything and everything that would get him elected.

In a way, that may make him a good leader for us:rolleyes:.

[ga-hvac-tech]

What I think will be interesting is when (not if) folks of his race that thought they would get a free ride after voting him in... find out what really will happen... :eek:

[RoBoTeq]

What I think will be interesting is when (not if) folks of his race that thought they would get a free ride after voting him in... find out what really will happen... :eek:
Obama hasn't got a chance with Black Americans. There will be those who are not going to receive the special treatment and freebies they think they are entitled to who will turn on Obama and there will be those who will start calling Obama a House slave whenever he works with Whiteys in DC.

It really is a shame that Obama is going to be turned on by the very race of people he decided to become one of during the presidential race. Maybe after a few years he'll go Michael Jackson White.

[dec]

SAD BUT TRUE .......... can't believe how many people I talked to were voting for Oboma being they felt if they didn't ..... it would be politically incorrect.



POLITICALLY INCORRECT .......... isn't that the definition of our government ??????


Seems it was the hidden message .......... only we can be racists if we dont vote their way. :confused:

[bootlen]

Obama hasn't got a chance with Black Americans. There will be those who are not going to receive the special treatment and freebies they think they are entitled to...

Bingo. Heck, he's not even squaring with those to whom he owes.

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=9299280

Get used to it, people.

[bootlen]

Of course Obama played the race card. He even created the race issue by declaring himself to be Black...

Yep. I can't find it now but I was reading an article that indicated him to be 1/16th African black, 7/16th Arab, and 1/2 white (whatever that might be). At any rate, he is more white than anything.

[trane]

Yep. I can't find it now but I was reading an article that indicated him to be 1/16th African black, 7/16th Arab, and 1/2 white (whatever that might be). At any rate, he is more white than anything.

I read on this on CNN 1/2 white + 1/2 black = black

[glennac]

Yep. I can't find it now but I was reading an article that indicated him to be 1/16th African black, 7/16th Arab, and 1/2 white (whatever that might be). At any rate, he is more white than anything.

Boots, you robo and several others seem to be hung up on this Arab and Black thing. Most "Arabs" in North Africa and the rest of Africa for that matter are generally not the same as Arabs from Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. They are generally darker because of the centuries they have intermingled with Black Africans so in effect they are part Black and part Arab even if they call themselves "Arabs".

Even a lot of Arabs from the ME are a mixture since over centuries they have had Black slaves and intermixed. So this notion that Obama is not Black but Arab is a joke. He is Black and it is pretty obvious for those who can still see. Thank you very much.

[corny]

I read on this on CNN 1/2 white + 1/2 black = black

CNN doesnt know anything... he isnt black....he is mixed race....

But....he identifies with black culture....he lives a black lifestyle..... 50 years ago in the USA he would have most likely been beaten to death for making eye contact with a white woman......

I consider Barack HUSSEIN Obama the first african american president.....he is one generation away from african roots.....closer than the majority of african american citizens living in the US......

In January a colored boy is going to take up residence in the white house.....

I wonder if folks will insist that statues or busts of him in the future be made of black marble.....or dark colored materials.... cause you know if they were to place a bust of him in the capitol made of white material the african american community would go ape sh8t over it......lol

[ga-hvac-tech]

CNN doesnt know anything... he isnt black....he is mixed race....

But....he identifies with black culture....he lives a black lifestyle..... 50 years ago in the USA he would have most likely been beaten to death for making eye contact with a white woman......

I consider Barack HUSSEIN Obama the first african american president.....he is one generation away from african roots.....closer than the majority of african american citizens living in the US......

In January a colored boy is going to take up residence in the white house.....

I wonder if folks will insist that statues or busts of him in the future be made of black marble.....or dark colored materials.... cause you know if they were to place a bust of him in the capitol made of white material the african american community would go ape sh8t over it......lol

One 'could' suggest we have a mongrel puppy in the white house; however that would not be a wise attitude if I want the country to heal and move forward.

The following is NOT racist:

I have observed that society in the USA seems to shift in social trends (actually it seems almost to be like the business cycle, but that would be another post). Electing a 'Black President', to me, represents a social trend, nothing more...

To me, we seem to be in a trend of leaning towards leftist views and wanting 'change' (whatever that means). What I also have observed is that while this trend seems to be destructive and non-productive for the USA as a whole, it does pass after a short time.

I think it better to 'go along with the program' (at arm's length), while continuing to apply conservative (true conservative) principles to my personal life. When the public wakes up and realizes they have blown it, and it is time to go back to tried and proven principles, they will do so.

And because of my choices, my attitude will not be negative; so I will enjoy my life during the 'weird times' for the next few years... even if there is a mongrel puppy in the white house... :D

[trane]

CNN doesnt know anything... he isnt black....he is mixed race....

But....he identifies with black culture....he lives a black lifestyle..... 50 years ago in the USA he would have most likely been beaten to death for making eye contact with a white woman......

I consider Barack HUSSEIN Obama the first african american president.....he is one generation away from african roots.....closer than the majority of african american citizens living in the US......

In January a colored boy is going to take up residence in the white house.....

I wonder if folks will insist that statues or busts of him in the future be made of black marble.....or dark colored materials.... cause you know if they were to place a bust of him in the capitol made of white material the african american community would go ape sh8t over it......lol

I think the point they were trying to make is being 50% black is enough to forget about the white 50% if you want him to be black as some people do.

[maxpower]

Trane, perhaps you should go sit in the back of the Trane or ahhh... bus..:D

[sline-dawg]

Guess I'm lucky enough to live where people of many shades are capable of skilled tasks...... You guys sound like only white guys are smart enough to find a good job, or start their own business....:rolleyes:



Must be the pits to live there......:o

[RoBoTeq]

Boots, you robo and several others seem to be hung up on this Arab and Black thing. Most "Arabs" in North Africa and the rest of Africa for that matter are generally not the same as Arabs from Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. They are generally darker because of the centuries they have intermingled with Black Africans so in effect they are part Black and part Arab even if they call themselves "Arabs".

Even a lot of Arabs from the ME are a mixture since over centuries they have had Black slaves and intermixed. So this notion that Obama is not Black but Arab is a joke. He is Black and it is pretty obvious for those who can still see. Thank you very much.
Would you understand it better if we used the terms caucasian, mongoloid and negroid? The negroid racial profile is usually referring to sub-Saharan Africans, of which Kenya is sub-Saharan. Obama's father also looks negroid. However, some Black Americans consider that to be Black in the U.S., one must be decended from West African nations where Black slaves were captured by other Blacks (such as Obama's great grandfather).

Here you go; Colbert and his guest make a better argument of this subject; http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Colbert_questions_Obamas_blackness_0209.html

[RoBoTeq]

Boots, you robo and several others seem to be hung up on this Arab and Black thing. Most "Arabs" in North Africa and the rest of Africa for that matter are generally not the same as Arabs from Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. They are generally darker because of the centuries they have intermingled with Black Africans so in effect they are part Black and part Arab even if they call themselves "Arabs".

Even a lot of Arabs from the ME are a mixture since over centuries they have had Black slaves and intermixed. So this notion that Obama is not Black but Arab is a joke. He is Black and it is pretty obvious for those who can still see. Thank you very much.
If Obama's father is determined to be Black, that still demands the question as to why someone who is half one race and half another race is only defined as being one of those races. Isn't that racist?

[Slatts]

If Obama's father is determined to be Black, that still demands the question as to why someone who is half one race and half another race is only defined as being one of those races. Isn't that racist?

RoBo, I think the bench mark was set in your own history. If I'm not mistaken, in the days of slavery, any trace of black African ancestry meant you could be bought or sold by a white person.

[bustawrench1]

If Obama's father is determined to be Black, that still demands the question as to why someone who is half one race and half another race is only defined as being one of those races. Isn't that racist?

I think this would be the proper nametag...............

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mulatto

although.............being an archaic term with heavy racist connotations, I doubt it will be used much to describe our next chief executive.

[trane]

I think the remark about MLK dream is the best part of this. I don't know where he got his information but he thinks he is more Arab than black.



We’re ALL Democrats Now! With New Rules of Engagement
By JB Williams Friday, November 7, 2008


The 2008 election is over and a new American era is on the way. The representative republic is on life support and we are operating, as Thomas Jefferson put it, as a democracy, “nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”

The 63 million Americans, who voted for Barack Hussein Obama, believe it is “their time” to “make history” and “change America” from the land of the free and home of the brave it has been for 232 years, to something that has failed repeatedly all over the globe.

We watched the mob party in Chicago, Kenya, and the Gaza Strip. The new 51% aim to take away the rights of the other 49% as soon as possible and even known international terrorists are dancing in the streets with the news of president-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

Martin Luther King’s dream of a time when black people would be judged on the content of their character instead of the color of their skin has been set back decades, maybe forever.

Obama was elected on the basis of his “history making” skin color. 63 million Americans gave Obama a complete pass on character and voted for what they think is a black man. As Obama is only 1/8th African, they couldn’t even get that right. As they will soon learn the hard way, they elected an Arab-Muslim, not a black Christian.

But the American people have spoken. They wanted “change” and change they shall have…

Obamanation – The First 100 Days

Tax cuts for 95% of Americans, which includes me according to Obama (the other 5% can go to hell)
The Fair Indoctrination Plan, (aka Fairness Doctrine) will silence all opposition to Obama’s Marxist Plan
No more fighting terror abroad - Let them come to us for a change… or should I say, again.
The coming terror war at home will require a national police force, aka Black Panther Power
No more private gun ownership is needed - every home will get a brown-shirt to stand guard
The unbridled right to kill our young any way, any time we like, even after birth
Free Health Care for the poor – more expensive and less accessible health care for all others
Record breaking Washington corruption and tyrannical national governance
Corporate corruption will work inside the administration now
Twelve million new Democrat Party registrants, as all illegals are given full citizenship including voting rights
Reduced carbon emissions, since few will be able to afford to drive anymore
New jobs for defunct auto manufacturing workers, building wind mills and solar panels on the federal payroll
A return to the gold standard, since a dollar won’t be worth a dime
The financial markets will continue to collapse as investors continue to flee America in search of safe havens for their assets before Obama can be sworn into office
This is just some of what I believe we can look forward to in the first 100 days. It will take a few years for the 63 million Americans who wanted “change” to figure out what the rest of the world already knows, - socialism doesn’t work. The 5% Obama promises to rob on behalf of his constituents have already changed investment strategies to protect their earned assets. By the time Obama arrives on their doorstep, the cupboard will be empty.

63 million Americans voted for a “black man” and got an Arab. They voted for a “Christian” and got a Muslim. They voted for a “leader” and got a man who has never led anything in his life. They voted for a “moderate” and got the most extreme leftist in U.S. political history. They voted to rob their “rich” neighbor, but the neighbor is leaving town before they can. They’re on a roll…

Our New Rules of Engagement
But fear not… We have a few “changes” of our own.

The days of appeasement and bi-partisan compromise are over. Republican members of congress will wake up every morning with one thought in their mind, filibuster. You can’t pass bills you can’t bring to a vote. Democrats taught us that. Republicans have relegated themselves to full time professional obstructionists. Their sole function for the next two years is to blockade the full-scale assault on personal freedom and individual liberty which will define the Obama era.

Live by mob rule, die by mob rule. Those are our new rules of engagement and we can already see some early results.

California citizens passed Proposition 8 banning all same-sex marriages by way of state constitutional amendment. They are the 28th state to do so and the mob has spoken… Mob rule works for Democrats, it can work for us too. If 51% of Americans can decide to take away the rights and property of the other 49%, surely 52% can decide what the definition of marriage is…

Under democratic rules of engagement, we must demand a national referendum on everything, including the right to life versus the right to kill.

Democrats demand that we retreat from the war on terror because a majority of Americans want it. Well, guess what else a majority of Americans want? An even larger majority want an end to abortion on demand. Most Americans want a smaller, less expensive and less intrusive federal government. As Obama said, his victory was a victory for all Americans who thought they had lost their voice in Washington. So, all tax issues must be decided by the people by way of referendum now. This is “democracy.” The mob rules…

Obama promises a transparent administration whereby the people would know what Washington was up to and that the people would decide what’s right for America, not corrupt Washington politicians and lobbyists. So, no more late-night, backroom deals or hidden piggyback pork-barrel bribes, at the expense of the American taxpayer. Obama needs to take every initiative to the people for approval before hand. It’s the only democratic thing to do and the only way he can hope to keep his campaign promise for the most transparent administration in history. It’s also the only way he can work with the support of the American people.

If Obama does what he promised in this regard, maybe he really can unite the nation??? The people want a say in what Washington is doing. If Obama really gives the people that voice, he could be a real hero.

We can do this on every issue under the sun. Obama says he is returning the power to the American people. I say, lets join in and make sure he knows what the people really want! And if by chance he was not serious about any of those campaign promises, well then…

Thomas Jefferson told us exactly what to do in this situation
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” Clearly, we have been silent way too long! Tyranny gained more than a foothold in the 2008 election. It’s time for all men and women of good conscience to be silent no more.

Jefferson said – “A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.”

I don’t have to tell you, but this is NOT the kind of government Barack Obama described in his campaign. He’s been very clear about this, if nothing else.

Jefferson - “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” American leftists have been “wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them” for decades now and Obama promised a vast acceleration of that process. But it’s not what most people (the mob) want.

“An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes.” And that’s exactly what Barack Obama and his adoring press did. They sold socialism under the guise of “progressive” governance; - they lied their way past 63 million unsuspecting Americans. But in doing it, they made promises they had no intention of keeping. Now it’s up to the people to make them keep those promises…

Too often in the past, “our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also.” I must say, I really like how Jefferson thinks!

Obama has voted for a ban on all hand guns and assault rifles. He raised taxes on ammunition 500% in Chicago. He opposes a right to carry firearms for purpose of self-defense even though over 2 million violent crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. He has even voted to take away the peoples right to keep arms as a means of self-defense within their own homes.

Once again, Jefferson provides the solution, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” More than a few red state good-ole-boys will be happy to explain this one when Obama comes for those guns he fears so much…

Jefferson stated that “To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Yet this is the centerpiece of the Obama-Biden administration. To use the weight and power of the federal government to “force” men to “subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors;”

We have simply been way too tolerant for far too long. Out of complete ignorance, 63 million Americans elected a man they know literally nothing about. Through patient incremental subversive infestation of our founding American principles and values, the anti-American left has reached the stage of critical masse whereby the new 51% think they can take away the rights of the other 49%. This is the “change” they have in mind.

But I say “live free or die!”

And when all else fails, Jefferson told us what to do...
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

For those who believe the basic right to life is “alienable” by men, no rights are “unalienable.” Men, who have no respect for human life itself, have no respect for anything or anyone. The people who elected Barack Hussein Obama have no respect for your earned assets, your freedom to prosper, your right to self-determination of any kind or even your right to life itself. So, it is likely to get very ugly before it gets better. The people behind Obama are not average Americans. They are average anti-Americans… and they are coming for the rest of us soon.

We don’t wait until 2010 or 2012 to fight. We stand here, now, today. Push has officially come to shove. Conservatives must stop whining, unite and fight. As bad as it is… it can get worse, and it will if conservatives let it.

Barack Obama ran on a centrist message. It was all a lie, but that no longer matters. The people bought it. Now it is up to the people to make him keep those centrist and even some conservative campaign promises. He had no intention of keeping any of those promises. But he made those promises and the people have a right and an obligation to make him keep those promises.

If Obama retreats to his true nature after the election, as an anti-American anti-white hard left Arab appeaser, the American people, those who voted for him in particular, and even those who didn’t, have a right and an obligation to hold his feet to the fire.

63 million voters set the stage and the rules of engagement. These 63 million Americans now have an obligation to make Obama keep his word. Let the games begin!

[Pneuma]

It's funny how this author ignores that both Reagan and Bush pushed for illegals to get amnesty. Republicans want illegals, they are non union, cheap labor. Democrats are aligned with the AFL-CIO, not a very illegal immigrant friendly bunch. Bush let Mexican truckers on our highways...you think the Democrats will do that to the teamsters?

Blue collar conservatives need to come to grips with the fact that a lot of the "conservative" politicians have sold working class Americans out to the corporate lobbies.

[RoBoTeq]

RoBo, I think the bench mark was set in your own history. If I'm not mistaken, in the days of slavery, any trace of black African ancestry meant you could be bought or sold by a white person.
That would be a legal technicality in determining a person's race. Is Obama, the great grandson of a slave owner, still supporting a slave owner's point of view of determining a person as being Black?

Let's fact it folks, Obama claimed Black as his race for political advantages. Blacks in the U.S. have more race specific protection under the law then any other race, color of creed of American citizen. We are not all equal under the law any longer and Obama has taken advantage of that. I'm not saying I would not take advantage of such a situation myself, but we are discussing whether or not race was an issue in the election, and it was an issue in many different forms.

[RoBoTeq]

I consider Barack HUSSEIN Obama the first african american president.....he is one generation away from african roots.....closer than the majority of african american citizens living in the US......


And here lies the rub; liberals are just making up whatever they feel works to their advantage as what they "consider" and then make their consideration sound like fact.

The fact is that if Obama was born in the U.S., he is American of African descent. Only if Obama were born in Africa could he be an "African" American.

I have very distinct and traceable Scots/Irish heritage. I am not an Irish/American or a Scot/American, I am an American of Scot/Irish decent. I met a contractor in Kentucky who is a true African-American. He was born in South Africa and became an American citizen after immigrating to the United States. He happens to be White, but he is a true African-American. Obama is not. Obamd just "considers" himself an African-American because it benefited him to do so. Obama also considers himself to be a Christian even though there is no evidence he has ever affiliated himself with anything Christ like. Conversely, Obama "considers" himself not to be Socialist even though his actions and beliefs are quite to the contrary.

Obama, like you corny, is redefining race, political definition and religious thought just to "consider" himself what suits him best for the moment. Remember; Obama at one time "considered" himself to be a friend and prodigy of Reverend Wright, when it benefitted him. Remember; Obama once "considered" himself to be an associate and friend of Bill Ayers....when it benefited him. Remember; Obama once "considered" himself to be an associate of ACORN and a beneficial teacher of ACORN employees, it is in his political resume...when it benefitted him.

Let's just hope and pray that Obama is a more honest president then he has been a candidate. Let's hope and pray that Obama picks and sticks with an agenda as president instead of his constant "change" of attitude....when it benefits him.

[RoBoTeq]

Guess I'm lucky enough to live where people of many shades are capable of skilled tasks...... You guys sound like only white guys are smart enough to find a good job, or start their own business....:rolleyes:



Must be the pits to live there......:o
What the hell are you babbling about with this off the wall comment?

No one has made any reference that anyone of any race is any better at anything!

The issue is; was race an issue. And the answer is yes, it was. Race was used mostly by the Obama campaign in order to give Obama an edge. Even American Blacks did not consider Obama "Black", "Black enough" or "Black like me" in the beginning of the election process....which was way too long. Obama declared himself to be Black. Obama created his "Blackness". Obama completely disregarded his White heritage because it was what would benefit him the most to do.

I just hope and pray that President Obama has more respect for American citizens in general then he does for his own family.

[RoBoTeq]

I think this would be the proper nametag...............

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mulatto

although.............being an archaic term with heavy racist connotations, I doubt it will be used much to describe our next chief executive.
Mulatto is a much more accurate description of Obama's race. When I was in Cayman, most Caymanians considered themselves to be Mulatto and I don't think it was racist or had any negative conotations. Maybe carnak can address this, since he lives in Cayman.

Race is actually an issue that should not be defined other then as a vague reference to ones background or character. Other then skin pigmentation and a few facial and fewer bodily feature differences, we are all the same genetically.

[RoBoTeq]

It's funny how this author ignores that both Reagan and Bush pushed for illegals to get amnesty. Republicans want illegals, they are non union, cheap labor. Democrats are aligned with the AFL-CIO, not a very illegal immigrant friendly bunch. Bush let Mexican truckers on our highways...you think the Democrats will do that to the teamsters?

Blue collar conservatives need to come to grips with the fact that a lot of the "conservative" politicians have sold working class Americans out to the corporate lobbies.
You're kidding, right? You really do know that unions have been organizing illegal immigrants by promising them legal rights for years...don't you?



Unions get behind illegal workers
AFL-CIO lends hand to day laborers with offers of aid, advocacy.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/16/news/economy/unions_daylabor/index.htm

[Roscoe]

You're kidding, right? You really do know that unions have been organizing illegal immigrants by promising them legal rights for years...don't you?


http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/16/news/economy/unions_daylabor/index.htm

Bingo..........all aboard next stop..................Socialism.........:(

Press one for Spanish............Press two for Ebonics................:D

[RoBoTeq]

Press one for Spanish............Press two for Ebonics................:D
This would be funny if it weren't a possibility. Even though Obama speaks much better then President Bush does, he is already making specific racial commentaries.

Recently Obama made a comment on a law passed against droopy pants exposing underwear. His comment was "bros should pull their pants up". http://gawker.com/5076025/youth-to-pull-pants-up-for-obama

What? Obama doesn't acknowledge that Whites wear droopy drawers or does Obama think it is ok for Whites to wear them but not Blacks? I really am too old to learn a new language.

[Roscoe]

This would be funny if it weren't a possibility. Even though Obama speaks much better then President Bush does, he is already making specific racial commentaries.

Recently Obama made a comment on a law passed against droopy pants exposing underwear. His comment was "bros should pull their pants up". http://gawker.com/5076025/youth-to-pull-pants-up-for-obama

What? Obama doesn't acknowledge that Whites wear droopy drawers or does Obama think it is ok for Whites to wear them but not Blacks? I really am too old to learn a new language.

Damn that was BO's first shot at being bipartisan...........awww dem dumass white kids tink deh be bros, wit der pants droopin and da lid on cocky........bro...........:eek:

.................................................. .....ya need ta git wit it............bro................:D

[Pneuma]

You're kidding, right? You really do know that unions have been organizing illegal immigrants by promising them legal rights for years...don't you?


http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/16/news/economy/unions_daylabor/index.htm

You're right. I did not know that around about 2000 AFL-CIO flipped on this issue. No wonder we're swimming in illegals, between Bush offering them a path to citizenship and the AFL-CIO's support.

[Pneuma]

This would be funny if it weren't a possibility. Even though Obama speaks much better then President Bush does, he is already making specific racial commentaries.

Recently Obama made a comment on a law passed against droopy pants exposing underwear. His comment was "bros should pull their pants up". http://gawker.com/5076025/youth-to-pull-pants-up-for-obama

What? Obama doesn't acknowledge that Whites wear droopy drawers or does Obama think it is ok for Whites to wear them but not Blacks? I really am too old to learn a new language.

His bro comment had alot to do with who he was talking to. This was an MTV sort of townhall thing, anyway here is the complete text. It all seems reasonable to me.

Sway: Our next question comes from Eric out of Huntington Beach, California: "There are numerous cultures and subcultures in the United States today. Powers-that-be set statutes with monetary penalty on how people wear their clothes. Do you find it intrusive on civil liberties to create such ordinances?" And you know I got 'locks.

Obama: I wasn't going to pass a law, man. You look tight.

Sway: I know people have piercings, tattoos. Eric, in particular, is talking about a ban on sagging pants. Do feel like people should be penalized?

Obama: Here is my attitude: I think people passing a law against people wearing sagging pants is a waste of time. We should be focused on creating jobs, improving our schools, health care, dealing with the war in Iraq, and anybody, any public official, that is worrying about sagging pants probably needs to spend some time focusing on real problems out there. Having said that, brothers should pull up their pants. You are walking by your mother, your grandmother, your underwear is showing. What's wrong with that? Come on. There are some issues that we face, that you don't have to pass a law, but that doesn't mean folks can't have some sense and some respect for other people and, you know, some people might not want to see your underwear — I'm one of them.

Sway: In regards to piercings, tattoos, I had a friend who worked for UPS and he had 'locks. He almost lost his job, but he fought for it. In regards to those things, how do you feel?

Obama: It's one thing if an employer discriminates on the basis of gender or sexual orientation or, obviously, race or ethnicity. I think employers can set standards. Now you got 'locks, but it looks clean, man, it's tight, and my little girl has twists, Malia, and to me, it looks great. Obviously I would be upset if she were discriminated against on that basis. On the other hand, if you are working at a fancy store and you show up to work in jeans and a shirt and you have a tatoo across your neck like Mike Tyson, for them to say, you know, "That is not the kind of image we are trying to project," obviously, that is in their rights as well. I think any business has the right to say, "This is the kind of tone we want to set," as long as they aren't discriminating on the basis of things people can't control.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1598409/20081102/story.jhtml

[Roscoe]

Race was the ONLY ISSUE

[corny]

And here lies the rub; liberals are just making up whatever they feel works to their advantage as what they "consider" and then make their consideration sound like fact.

The fact is that if Obama was born in the U.S., he is American of African descent. Only if Obama were born in Africa could he be an "African" American.

I have very distinct and traceable Scots/Irish heritage. I am not an Irish/American or a Scot/American, I am an American of Scot/Irish decent. I met a contractor in Kentucky who is a true African-American. He was born in South Africa and became an American citizen after immigrating to the United States. He happens to be White, but he is a true African-American. Obama is not. Obamd just "considers" himself an African-American because it benefited him to do so. Obama also considers himself to be a Christian even though there is no evidence he has ever affiliated himself with anything Christ like. Conversely, Obama "considers" himself not to be Socialist even though his actions and beliefs are quite to the contrary.

Obama, like you corny, is redefining race, political definition and religious thought just to "consider" himself what suits him best for the moment. Remember; Obama at one time "considered" himself to be a friend and prodigy of Reverend Wright, when it benefitted him. Remember; Obama once "considered" himself to be an associate and friend of Bill Ayers....when it benefited him. Remember; Obama once "considered" himself to be an associate of ACORN and a beneficial teacher of ACORN employees, it is in his political resume...when it benefitted him.

Let's just hope and pray that Obama is a more honest president then he has been a candidate. Let's hope and pray that Obama picks and sticks with an agenda as president instead of his constant "change" of attitude....when it benefits him.

The fact is that Obamma because of his skin color is considered an african american by mainstream americans.......dem and rep...... 50 years this mutt would have been afraid to enter certain parts of town because it would get his ass killed.....lol

He has a choice being biracial and he has embraced the african american culture...... he is african american...

yes...its a shame that the black folks can label themselves that way to set them apart from the rest of americans who all have ancestors from other nations and continents......but it was white americans who set these folks apart for the better part of a century after slavery.....and to some extent still set them apart today...

We did the irish the same way but they eventually were able to be absorbed into mainstream america....a coal black man just cant keep his mouth shut and blend into society......his roots are worn all over his body....

I wouldnt expect Obamma to be honest at all..... I mean he is a politician....and all politicians are liars and theives who would f8ck their own momma for a dollar......

Lets just hope Obamma dont screw things up too bad......

Pray that Jesus put him there for a good reason.....well, we know if jesus did it its for a good reason..... lets just hope this lesson doesnt hurt too bad...

[RoBoTeq]

You're right. I did not know that around about 2000 AFL-CIO flipped on this issue. No wonder we're swimming in illegals, between Bush offering them a path to citizenship and the AFL-CIO's support.
And while I have a great appreciation for President Bush, I don't understand his stand on immigration at all. At least we can understand that the unions need more ignorant people to rebuild their Socialist leaning organization so that union leaders can continue to leach money from Capitalist corporations.

[Pneuma]

And while I have a great appreciation for President Bush, I don't understand his stand on immigration at all. At least we can understand that the unions need more ignorant people to rebuild their Socialist leaning organization so that union leaders can continue to leach money from Capitalist corporations.

The word ignorant is really out of place since most union members get many benefits out of their membership. I also disagree that union leaders leach money out of Capitalists, unless you mean leach money that goes to the workers. I read several articles and there are a lot of union folks who don't like this stance, it's counter intuitive for sure.

[RoBoTeq]

His bro comment had alot to do with who he was talking to. This was an MTV sort of townhall thing, anyway here is the complete text. It all seems reasonable to me.

Sway: Our next question comes from Eric out of Huntington Beach, California: "There are numerous cultures and subcultures in the United States today. Powers-that-be set statutes with monetary penalty on how people wear their clothes. Do you find it intrusive on civil liberties to create such ordinances?" And you know I got 'locks.

Obama: I wasn't going to pass a law, man. You look tight.

Sway: I know people have piercings, tattoos. Eric, in particular, is talking about a ban on sagging pants. Do feel like people should be penalized?

Obama: Here is my attitude: I think people passing a law against people wearing sagging pants is a waste of time. We should be focused on creating jobs, improving our schools, health care, dealing with the war in Iraq, and anybody, any public official, that is worrying about sagging pants probably needs to spend some time focusing on real problems out there. Having said that, brothers should pull up their pants. You are walking by your mother, your grandmother, your underwear is showing. What's wrong with that? Come on. There are some issues that we face, that you don't have to pass a law, but that doesn't mean folks can't have some sense and some respect for other people and, you know, some people might not want to see your underwear — I'm one of them.

Sway: In regards to piercings, tattoos, I had a friend who worked for UPS and he had 'locks. He almost lost his job, but he fought for it. In regards to those things, how do you feel?

Obama: It's one thing if an employer discriminates on the basis of gender or sexual orientation or, obviously, race or ethnicity. I think employers can set standards. Now you got 'locks, but it looks clean, man, it's tight, and my little girl has twists, Malia, and to me, it looks great. Obviously I would be upset if she were discriminated against on that basis. On the other hand, if you are working at a fancy store and you show up to work in jeans and a shirt and you have a tatoo across your neck like Mike Tyson, for them to say, you know, "That is not the kind of image we are trying to project," obviously, that is in their rights as well. I think any business has the right to say, "This is the kind of tone we want to set," as long as they aren't discriminating on the basis of things people can't control.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1598409/20081102/story.jhtml
Well, thank you very much for copy and pasting what I posted a link to. Gee....I didn't know all of that stuff was available if we just clicked on the link I provided. OK, that was sarcasm. This is for real; I know how to read, Clyde:rolleyes::cool: He still sounds racist with his comments that only address his bros.

[Roscoe]

you guys are starting to make too much sense.....er cents which is it...;)

well robo is anyway......

Clyde....I like that brings back memories........listen here Clyde............:D

[coolwhip]

"Other then skin pigmentation and a few facial and fewer bodily feature differences, we are all the same genetically".

Not true Robo...not true.:rolleyes:

[glennac]

Race is actually an issue that should not be defined other then as a vague reference to ones background or character. Other then skin pigmentation and a few facial and fewer bodily feature differences, we are all the same genetically.

I'm sure you will tell that to your daughter or granddaughter before they start dating. Be honest robo. Don't preach on this forum if you don't mean it with your own family. Just trying to set the record striaght here. Shame we don't have a lie detector test set up on this forum.:)

[Pneuma]

Well, thank you very much for copy and pasting what I posted a link to. Gee....I didn't know all of that stuff was available if we just clicked on the link I provided. OK, that was sarcasm. This is for real; I know how to read, Clyde:rolleyes::cool: He still sounds racist with his comments that only address his bros.

He's was made in God's image Robo...I know you undertand that. Now he's a black guy talking to another black guys and we all know they have a slang, so how in the world can you mistake pretty normal human behavior for racism? Unless you are just looking for ways to play some race card. It sounds that way to me because there is not a shred of racism in what he said.

Of course some black people voted for him because he was black, maybe a lot, some people had no other reason than that. Some people voted for John McCain simply because he was not the black guy. I quoted his words becasue in the whole context it looks pretty rational to me, there isn;t a hint of racism in his explanation of NOT wanting a law about how you waer clothes. That stance is actually a conservative stance, it's a government out of peoples business stance. He says I don't like peopel dressed that way but there is no reason to make a law about it.

[RoBoTeq]

The word ignorant is really out of place since most union members get many benefits out of their membership. I also disagree that union leaders leach money out of Capitalists, unless you mean leach money that goes to the workers. I read several articles and there are a lot of union folks who don't like this stance, it's counter intuitive for sure.
The word ignorant is absolutely in the right place when it comes to workers who support an organization that will eventually kill the cash cow that it is taking money from to give to those who support it.

Union members do not get benefits from their union membership, they get those benefits from the company they work for. When people's greed overshadows their common sense, that is ignorance.

Who do you think pays the salary's of union workers and makes millionaires out of the union bosses? Who do you think pays for all overinflated benefits that union workers have? Unions produce absolutely nothing. Unions take from the corporations give what is not theirs to the union workers in order to obtain support from union workers so that union leaders can make lots of money without producing anything.

Textile workers, steel workers and now auto workers are all workers who have helped to create their own joblessness by buying into the Socialist agendas that unions have fed them strictly out of greed without thinking of the logical future. Anyone who believes that corporations can keep spending more money on things that cannot be turned into a profit are quite ignorant indeed.

You read articles that disagree that unions are parasite leaches? Gee, I wonder where you get your reading materials (rhetorical sarcasm).

The only area of the workforce that unions are holding their own in are government jobs and construction projects sponsored by a government entity. Why is the government the only way for unions to survive? Two reasons, there are laws protecting unions brought about by unions lobbying politicians and the government is the only entity able to pay the high cost of union labor because the government is using money extorted in taxes to do so.

If Presiden Obama actually pushes for the Socialist programs he campaigned on and the unions that pumped millions of dollars provided to them by corporations whose labor is unionized, the United States will not be able to sustain itself financially within two years.

[RoBoTeq]

"Other then skin pigmentation and a few facial and fewer bodily feature differences, we are all the same genetically".

Not true Robo...not true.:rolleyes:
Here's how it works coolie; if you disagree with someone and support your disagreement with facts, that is an argument. If you disagree with someone with nothing to supporty your side, that is a contradiction. So far, you have no argument and contradictions just sound dumb.

[RoBoTeq]

I'm sure you will tell that to your daughter or granddaughter before they start dating. Be honest robo. Don't preach on this forum if you don't mean it with your own family. Just trying to set the record striaght here. Shame we don't have a lie detector test set up on this forum.:)
Same thing to you that I posted to coolie. If you have something to dispute what I stated, please post it. Otherwise you are just saying; "is not" in a faggy, whiney voice.

Here is a brief argument from both sides of this issue;
Defining race
The 0.1% genetic difference that differentiates any two random humans is still the subject of much debate. The discovery that only 8% of this difference separates the major races led some scientists to proclaim that race is biologically meaningless. They argue that since genetic distance increases in a continuous manner any threshold or definitions would be arbitrary. Any two neighboring villages or towns will show some genetic differentiation from each other and thus could be defined as a race. Thus any attempt to classify races would be imposing an artificial discontinuity on what is otherwise a naturally occurring continuous phenomenon.
However, other scientists disagree by claiming that the assertion that race is biologically meaningless is politically motivated and that genetic differences are significant. Neil Risch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Risch) states that numerous studies over past decades have documented biological differences among the races with regard to susceptibility and natural history of a chronic disease, though acknowledges that these differences do not constitute any major subdivisions of the human species: '...These conclusions seem consistent with the claim that "there is no biological basis for 'race'" and that "the myth of major genetic differences across 'races' is nonetheless worth dismissing with genetic evidence". Of course, the use of the term "major" leaves the door open for possible differences but a priori limits any potential significance of such differences.' Effectively Neil Risch is attempting to redefine "race" for human populations to represent that small proportion of variation that is known to vary between continental populations. It is well established, that the level of differentiation between the continental human groups, as measured by the statistic FST is about 0.06-0.1 (6-10%), with about 5-10% of variation at the population level (that is between different populations occupying the same continent) and about 75-85% of variation within populations.(Risch et al., 2002; Templeton, 1998; Ossorio and Duster, 2005; Lewontin, 2005). Tempeton (1998) states that in biology a level of 0.25-0.3 (20-30%) of differentiation normally accepted in biological literature for a population to be considered a race or subspecies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_genetics

Either argument boils down to an average of .5%, half of a percent, difference between people of racial differences. The problem with this is that there are some of the same race who have a significantly larger genetic difference between one another then some peoples of different races do. This is just more support that we are genetically all the same.

[Roscoe]

Look here Clyde......it was race ......plain and simple..........

Oprah......nuff said..........

[glennac]

Same thing to you that I posted to coolie. If you have something to dispute what I stated, please post it. Otherwise you are just saying; "is not" in a faggy, whiney voice.

Hey robo, I am just stating human nature. Why should you be any different than the vast majority of folks of all races. Blacks prefer that there daughters date Blacks, Whites, Chinese, Koreans, Jews, Greeks, etc. its all the same world wide but you may be like that I don't know for sure but I would be willing to bet on that and on any other person of any other race too.

That is my argument. Sure I can't say 100% you feel that way but I think not. Now obviously we have a disagreement there and this doesn't make you right or me wrong or visa versa but if I played the odds I would be right. Thank you very much.:rolleyes:

[bootlen]

The word ignorant is really out of place since most union members get many benefits out of their membership.

You mean like watching their jobs being sent oversees?

[trane]

You mean like watching their jobs being sent oversees?


I think we are getting ready to hand Ford and GM a check to slow this down. I guess a company that pays ridiculous wages to build something people won't buy is worth saving with tax payers money.

[RoBoTeq]

Look here Clyde......it was race ......plain and simple..........

Oprah......nuff said..........
:DI have no idea what stray memory cell I pulled "clyde" from, but I'm glad you like hearing it again. Maybe we can bring it back into fashion:rolleyes:

[RoBoTeq]

Look here Clyde......it was race ......plain and simple..........

Oprah......nuff said..........
:DI have no idea what stray memory cell I pulled "clyde" from, but I'm glad you like it being used again. Maybe we can bring it back into fashion;)

[Pneuma]

Robo,

You posted a lot of stuff there about unions and I'm not going to try and answer each point, if you have a favorite that I don't speak to, then point it out and I will.

Unions operate via a contract. It takes two to sign a contract. Governemnt unions are so costly to tax payers because the other party to the contract is the governement. People balme unions when they are only one half of a deal.

I don't know what milionaire union bosses your talking about. The people runing my union are not millionaires.

Union workers have similar benefits that non union workers have. Here is a funny thing to consider. Virginia is a right to work state, so there is a state sponsored apprenticeship system. Tax money goes to train apprecntices. On the other hand the union apprentice school is paid for by an hourly contribution made by contractors for every hour a union member works, so the people that pay to train the apprentices are the people consuming the product. Which is the more conservative system?

There is lot of things going into why jobs leave to foriegn places. China subsidizes energy, a big reason they kick our ass in steel in they sell it with a cost basis we can't touch due to the fuel subsidy. Unions are not perfect but to blame them totally is not looking at everything.

Unions lobbying the governemnt? Everyone lobbies the governement! With the union memebrship at all time lows I don;t think unions are bullying anyones lobbyist.

BTW I bid on job after job in Virgina, non union and union all around the table...bids opened and read aloud. The prices are always comparible, I always bid that work and never worried that the75% non union competition was going to low ball me out of making good money on a job. It's a myth unions make things more expenive. What the markets bears, the business will take, regardless of cost structure.

[Roscoe]

:DI have no idea what stray memory cell I pulled "clyde" from, but I'm glad you like it being used again. Maybe we can bring it back into fashion;)


Old age must be setting in Robo.........yer repeating yourself repeating yourself.............:D


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Oh and RACE was THE factor...............the only factor

[RoBoTeq]

He's was made in God's image Robo...I know you undertand that. Now he's a black guy talking to another black guys and we all know they have a slang, so how in the world can you mistake pretty normal human behavior for racism? Unless you are just looking for ways to play some race card. It sounds that way to me because there is not a shred of racism in what he said.

Of course some black people voted for him because he was black, maybe a lot, some people had no other reason than that. Some people voted for John McCain simply because he was not the black guy. I quoted his words becasue in the whole context it looks pretty rational to me, there isn;t a hint of racism in his explanation of NOT wanting a law about how you waer clothes. That stance is actually a conservative stance, it's a government out of peoples business stance. He says I don't like peopel dressed that way but there is no reason to make a law about it.
Obama is supposed to be "our" president, not just a bro. Justify all you want, but Obama misspoke by addressing only bros. I also hope he doesn't suddenly become even more Black like Jesse Jackson did a few decades ago. Jackson used to represent all people, then he got Blacker. If President Obama does the same as Jesse did, we White folk gonna have a rough four years.

[RoBoTeq]

Hey robo, I am just stating human nature. Why should you be any different than the vast majority of folks of all races. Blacks prefer that there daughters date Blacks, Whites, Chinese, Koreans, Jews, Greeks, etc. its all the same world wide but you may be like that I don't know for sure but I would be willing to bet on that and on any other person of any other race too.

That is my argument. Sure I can't say 100% you feel that way but I think not. Now obviously we have a disagreement there and this doesn't make you right or me wrong or visa versa but if I played the odds I would be right. Thank you very much.:rolleyes:
You disputed my saying there is no significant genetic differences between people of different races, not of social preferences of people. I agree that birds of a feather prefer to flock, or however it's spelled, together. Obviously President Obama's daddy and momma did not feel that way.

[Roscoe]

Face it ................we are headed for a ROUGH 4 Yr.................buy ammo...;)

[RoBoTeq]

I think we are getting ready to hand Ford and GM a check to slow this down. I guess a company that pays ridiculous wages to build something people won't buy is worth saving with tax payers money.
Between all of our politicians bailing failed business's out, we may as well go Socialist. At least that way I might be able to make more money for doing less work for at least a couple of years before China, Russia or any of the Muslim countries takes over the U.S.

[RoBoTeq]

Robo,

You posted a lot of stuff there about unions and I'm not going to try and answer each point, if you have a favorite that I don't speak to, then point it out and I will.

Unions operate via a contract. It takes two to sign a contract. Governemnt unions are so costly to tax payers because the other party to the contract is the governement. People balme unions when they are only one half of a deal.

I don't know what milionaire union bosses your talking about. The people runing my union are not millionaires.

Union workers have similar benefits that non union workers have. Here is a funny thing to consider. Virginia is a right to work state, so there is a state sponsored apprenticeship system. Tax money goes to train apprecntices. On the other hand the union apprentice school is paid for by an hourly contribution made by contractors for every hour a union member works, so the people that pay to train the apprentices are the people consuming the product. Which is the more conservative system?

There is lot of things going into why jobs leave to foriegn places. China subsidizes energy, a big reason they kick our ass in steel in they sell it with a cost basis we can't touch due to the fuel subsidy. Unions are not perfect but to blame them totally is not looking at everything.

Unions lobbying the governemnt? Everyone lobbies the governement! With the union memebrship at all time lows I don;t think unions are bullying anyones lobbyist.

BTW I bid on job after job in Virgina, non union and union all around the table...bids opened and read aloud. The prices are always comparible, I always bid that work and never worried that the75% non union competition was going to low ball me out of making good money on a job. It's a myth unions make things more expenive. What the markets bears, the business will take, regardless of cost structure.
Oh for crying out loud; why is it that union members never have a clue about American history when it comes to how many industries that had union labor have failed. And now our government is failing, and again, union labor is in the middle of it. Unions are Socialist. If you like being a Socialist, collect your pay as long as it lasts and don't you dare cry when you no longer have a job because some other entity will do it for less.

[glennac]

You disputed my saying there is no significant genetic differences between people of different races, not of social preferences of people. I agree that birds of a feather prefer to flock, or however it's spelled, together. Obviously President Obama's daddy and momma did not feel that way.

I beg your pardon robo. You owe me an apology. I never disputed your statement on gentic differences on my post. I only talked about the social differences. Here is my complete short post.

"I'm sure you will tell that to your daughter or granddaughter before they start dating. Be honest robo. Don't preach on this forum if you don't mean it with your own family. Just trying to set the record striaght here. Shame we don't have a lie detector test set up on this forum.:)"

I am waiting for this.:)

My comment was in reference to what you would tell your daughter and not what you believe.

[Pneuma]

Obama is supposed to be "our" president, not just a bro. Justify all you want, but Obama misspoke by addressing only bros. I also hope he doesn't suddenly become even more Black like Jesse Jackson did a few decades ago. Jackson used to represent all people, then he got Blacker. If President Obama does the same as Jesse did, we White folk gonna have a rough four years.

Take this dare, I dare you. List every white president who was equally president to white folks and balck folks. Robo you sound just like black guy with a white president! :D:D:D:D

[glennac]

Robo, perhaps I should have praised it differently. What I meant was that if you truly believe that there are no differences between races then why wouldn't to tell that to your daughter. I hope there is no ambiguity in the way I praised it this time I hope.:)

[Roscoe]

Take this dare, I dare you. List every white president who was equally president to white folks and balck folks. Robo you sound just like black guy with a white president! :D:D:D:D

ah balck..............?.......try BLACK. and as far as I'm concerned they are not black they're brown, and nobodies white they're Caucasian.

Here's one Thomas Jefferson

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine".

that'd make you part of the mob..........Clyde..............

[RoBoTeq]

I beg your pardon robo. You owe me an apology. I never disputed your statement on gentic differences on my post. I only talked about the social differences. Here is my complete short post.

"I'm sure you will tell that to your daughter or granddaughter before they start dating. Be honest robo. Don't preach on this forum if you don't mean it with your own family. Just trying to set the record striaght here. Shame we don't have a lie detector test set up on this forum.:)"

I am waiting for this.:)

My comment was in reference to what you would tell your daughter and not what you believe.
Well excuuuuse me for not knowing you changed the subject;).

Oh, ok; I'm sorry I didn't follow your erratic path of conversing....happy?

The only daughter I have, I have never known. Other then the social difficulties that could arise, why would it matter to me who anyone else, including a daughter, decides to date? My son has dated females of all ages and races and prefers Hispanic women. I myself have never had any attraction to women of the negroid race and not attracted to many Hispanic or Asian women either, although a few Indian (India) woman have got my attention. These are basic individual preferences that cultural biases cannot even deter.

OK, I may have a problem with a daughter dating some German guy:confused:

[Roscoe]

Well excuuuuse me for not knowing you changed the subject;).

Oh, ok; I'm sorry I didn't follow your erratic path of conversing....happy?

The only daughter I have, I have never known. Other then the social difficulties that could arise, why would it matter to me who anyone else, including a daughter, decides to date? My son has dated females of all ages and races and prefers Hispanic women. I myself have never had any attraction to women of the negroid race and not attracted to many Hispanic or Asian women either, although a few Indian (India) woman have got my attention. These are basic individual preferences that cultural biases cannot even deter.

OK, I may have a problem with a daughter dating some German guy:confused:

Geeze
da ya have ta put yer whole........sexual preference on display........:D

[RoBoTeq]

Take this dare, I dare you. List every white president who was equally president to white folks and balck folks. Robo you sound just like black guy with a white president! :D:D:D:D
This is your game. You tell me which president openly made a difference about the race of Americans.

I am only aware of one president who made the differences of the races of Americans an issue and that was President Lincoln. Since the very wrong business of slavery was still legal when Lincoln was president and for every president prior, let's work from presidents after Lincoln. I am not aware of any president who differentiated the race of Americans openly.

Which presidents do you have in mind?

[glennac]

........................OK, I may have a problem with a daughter dating some German guy:confused:

Well I can understand that. She may not be able to pass the background check there robo.:D:D Just kidding don't lose here robo.:) You need to lighten up some more and take a blind side punch once in a while.:D

[RoBoTeq]

Geeze
da ya have ta put yer whole........sexual preference on display........:D
Just using myself as an example....sorry. Then again, I was quite attracted to a few Cuban woman when I was in Havana. I think that had more to do with how natural woman smell there because no one uses stinky perfumes.

[Pneuma]

ah balck..............?.......try BLACK. and as far as I'm concerned they are not black they're brown, and nobodies white they're Caucasian.

Here's one Thomas Jefferson

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine".

that'd make you part of the mob..........Clyde..............

Roscoe you seem to like to pick on my typing and call me names. Now you supposedly got the same warning I got about it, even though I only threatened to call you a name. You're just dying to have a flame war I guess. Sorry, can't help you...

[RoBoTeq]

Roscoe you seem to like to pick on my typing and call me names. Now you supposedly got the same warning I got about it, even though I only threatened to call you a name. You're just dying to have a flame war I guess. Sorry, can't help you...
What name is roscoe calling you that is offending you? Clyde?:D

Geez, if being called clyde offends someone, they obviously have no clue about clyde.

Tan me hyde,
When I'm dead; Fred.
Tan me hyde,
When I'm dead.....
So-we-tanned-his-hyde,
When he died, clyde,
And that's it a hanging on the shed.

[Roscoe]

Roscoe you seem to like to pick on my typing and call me names. Now you supposedly got the same warning I got about it, even though I only threatened to call you a name. You're just dying to have a flame war I guess. Sorry, can't help you...



NAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............Clyde............: D

[Pneuma]

This is your game. You tell me which president openly made a difference about the race of Americans.

I am only aware of one president who made the differences of the races of Americans an issue and that was President Lincoln. Since the very wrong business of slavery was still legal when Lincoln was president and for every president prior, let's work from presidents after Lincoln. I am not aware of any president who differentiated the race of Americans openly.

Which presidents do you have in mind?

I'm not really interested in finding out who was the least or most racist. I'm just pointing out that the shoe is on the other foot. You getting up in arms over a guy, barley speaking in ebonics, is pretty much the same kind of petty baseless charges of racism you hear out of idiots like Jesse Jackson, not that I am comparing you to Jesse or calling you an idiot. Even you have to admit it's pretty ironic that your rant about his bro comment is based on an emotion that you're just getting the chance to feel for the first time, an emotion a lot of black people have felt for a long time.

[RoBoTeq]

Robo,

You posted a lot of stuff there about unions and I'm not going to try and answer each point, if you have a favorite that I don't speak to, then point it out and I will.


Boy is this every timely;

http://www.blondie.com/dailies/2008/11/8.jpg

What happens when service industries are unionized:rolleyes:

[RoBoTeq]

BTW I bid on job after job in Virgina, non union and union all around the table...bids opened and read aloud. The prices are always comparible, I always bid that work and never worried that the75% non union competition was going to low ball me out of making good money on a job. It's a myth unions make things more expenive. What the markets bears, the business will take, regardless of cost structure.
It's called the Davis-Bacon act and is one of those pesky little laws protecting the unions that I referred to. Stop the government from protecting unions and unions will cease to exist overnight.

[Pneuma]

What name is roscoe calling you that is offending you? Clyde?:D

Geez, if being called clyde offends someone, they obviously have no clue about clyde.

Tan me hyde,
When I'm dead; Fred.
Tan me hyde,
When I'm dead.....
So-we-tanned-his-hyde,
When he died, clyde,
And that's it a hanging on the shed.

We had a semi flame war in another thread where he called me a dpsht, so Clyde does not offend me. I was just pointing out I'm not going to get drug into it again. But Clyde is a name associated with black people, so he could be calling me a black guy. I'll bet Roscoe would get pretty PO'd being called a black guy or a dereivative of it. I suppose that's why he's giddy over calling me that. :D:D

[Roscoe]

I'm not really interested in finding out who was the least or most racist. I'm just pointing out that the shoe is on the other foot. You getting up in arms over a guy, barley speaking in ebonics, is pretty much the same kind of petty baseless charges of racism you hear out of idiots like Jesse Jackson, not that I am comparing you to Jesse or calling you an idiot. Even you have to admit it's pretty ironic that your rant about his bro comment is based on an emotion that you're just getting the chance to feel for the first time, an emotion a lot of black people have felt for a long time.


Here we go with the BLACK crap.......................Colored people are not black and we are not white..........they are Negro's and we are

Caucasian.........

All right boot I'm outta here,.........but black is black an brown is brown.they're brown........

white is white...........last I looked I'm well.........a tan Caucasian dude...:D


he he............;)

[RoBoTeq]

I'm not really interested in finding out who was the least or most racist. I'm just pointing out that the shoe is on the other foot. You getting up in arms over a guy, barley speaking in ebonics, is pretty much the same kind of petty baseless charges of racism you hear out of idiots like Jesse Jackson, not that I am comparing you to Jesse or calling you an idiot. Even you have to admit it's pretty ironic that your rant about his bro comment is based on an emotion that you're just getting the chance to feel for the first time, an emotion a lot of black people have felt for a long time.
Who's ranting? I merely mentioned that Obama is not being very presidential yet. This thread is about whether race had anything to do with the election and it has been pointed out over and over, accurately that Obama has made the election as well as everything else about race.

Why do you keep changing the subject?

[RoBoTeq]

We had a semi flame war in another thread where he called me a dpsht, so Clyde does not offend me. I was just pointing out I'm not going to get drug into it again. But Clyde is a name associated with black people, so he could be calling me a black guy. I'll bet Roscoe would get pretty PO'd being called a black guy or a dereivative of it. I suppose that's why he's giddy over calling me that. :D:D
How in the world do you get that clyde is associated with Black people?

[Pneuma]

It's called the Davis-Bacon act and is one of those pesky little laws protecting the unions that I referred to. Stop the government from protecting unions and unions will cease to exist overnight.

I know about that and yes it is price protection for union shops. I doubt unions would fail if it went away and I doubt things the government buys would be cheaper, after all the government isn't the best shopper out there! :D Where do you stand of the buy american clause of governemnt contracts, that syas if a product is made in the USA it has to be bought from the US supplier. Is that OK? Or would you rather we buy Chinese ball valves when we upgrade the Pentagon becasue we save alot of money?

[Pneuma]

How in the world do you get that clyde is associated with Black people?

Meaning: Its source is an English expression meaning "Cleansing."

Languages: This boy's name is used in English.

Non-English Forms: Kalaila

Popularity: The name Clyde ranked 187th in popularity for males of all ages in a sample of the 1990 US Census.

This name is highly rated in the 1990 U.S. Census popularity survey of all ages, but after 1960 does not appear in the state data listing the most popular baby names.

Narrative: It comes from the name of a river in Scotland.

Scholars believe that this and other Scottish place names were given to slaves in America in place of their African names as part of the policy of forced acculturation that characterized American slavery.

Despite this bleak association, the name remains popular among African Americans, and has spread to other ethnic groups as well.

http://www.babynamer.com/Clyde

I had a boy and must have read every name in the book. I actually liked the name Clyde, but the wife nixed it. I wanted to call my daughter Virgina, but nixed again...I like older names I guess...:D

[ga-hvac-tech]

I know about that and yes it is price protection for union shops. I doubt unions would fail if it went away and I doubt things the government buys would be cheaper, after all the government isn't the best shopper out there! :D Where do you stand of the buy american clause of governemnt contracts, that syas if a product is made in the USA it has to be bought from the US supplier. Is that OK? Or would you rather we buy Chinese ball valves when we upgrade the Pentagon becasue we save alot of money?

I will start at the end:

The US military needs to be supplied from within the USA (period). Think of the mess if the supply lines were blocked... :eek:

Now on to the union issue: I am not exactly the greatest one at math, but this one seems simple: A higher wage for the same work, and add some extra layers of management salaries... and that bidder will still be competitive? Really now??? I do not think it takes a rocket scientist to understand that is not possible.

Governments will alter common sense in procurement for political reasons... been going on as long as there have been politicians... and that goes back a LONG time before this country started.

Now think about this: It is YOUR tax $$$ that pay for this nonsense. Would you like to pay less taxes, have a balanced budget, and keep more of your hard earned $$$... Well it is simple: Vote for fiscal responsibility...

Folks seem to forget: There is NO free lunch! Everything the government does gets paid for from two places: taxes and deficit spending... Yes, it has to come from somewhere.

Think about it... :confused:

[Pneuma]

I will start at the end:

The US military needs to be supplied from within the USA (period). Think of the mess if the supply lines were blocked... :eek:

Now on to the union issue: I am not exactly the greatest one at math, but this one seems simple: A higher wage for the same work, and add some extra layers of management salaries... and that bidder will still be competitive? Really now??? I do not think it takes a rocket scientist to understand that is not possible.

Governments will alter common sense in procurement for political reasons... been going on as long as there have been politicians... and that goes back a LONG time before this country started.

Now think about this: It is YOUR tax $$$ that pay for this nonsense. Would you like to pay less taxes, have a balanced budget, and keep more of your hard earned $$$... Well it is simple: Vote for fiscal responsibility...

Folks seem to forget: There is NO free lunch! Everything the government does gets paid for from two places: taxes and deficit spending... Yes, it has to come from somewhere.

Think about it... :confused:

Hey the military buys stuff from Italy and a lot of european countries now. But I'll give you that because I agree with your point on military stuff. But right now if you do work on a government job you have to buy american pipe valves and fittings and whatever else. My question was to Robo, does he like that sort of protection or not? Tax dollars are tax dollars after all.

I work in the most split city around as far as union and non union. I don't disrespect any hard working man out there. But I have bid against these guys and I have to do it better with less management to make the same dollar, to cover the higher labor. I have seen non union jobs where they put colored tape on two pieces of equipment and guys with little skills or experience just connect the tape, then the "supervisor" comes and checks it and if it is wrong, they do it again. They can do it over a bunch of times because the guys aren't making squat. I'm not exagerating a union pipe fitting shop makes up for the higher wage in productivity. I have lived it for over 20 years, from the field to the office, non union guys have told me, they charge what ever we charge, we set the bar. Non union guiys make in the check what unons guy do, but the bene's are not there. Service sector totally different. a good man makes good coin, no matter what.

[RoBoTeq]

I know about that and yes it is price protection for union shops. I doubt unions would fail if it went away and I doubt things the government buys would be cheaper, after all the government isn't the best shopper out there! :D Where do you stand of the buy american clause of governemnt contracts, that syas if a product is made in the USA it has to be bought from the US supplier. Is that OK? Or would you rather we buy Chinese ball valves when we upgrade the Pentagon becasue we save alot of money?
I'm all for the "buy American" clause. I myself always try to buy American, even if it means buying products manufactured by union labor. The last pair of boots I bought were made in the U.S. by union labor in a company that was partly employee owned. The boots were made by Cape Shoe and are very nice. Unfortunately, they went out of business;


BAMW September 8, 2003 (http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/bamw/bamw-030908-shoes2.shtml). Cape Shoe (www.capeshoe.com (http://www.capeshoe.com/)) went out of business on August 24 of this year. I talked with owner Eli Fishman about this unfortunate news, and he directed me to a great website, www.workertimes.com, which has posted many great articles written by him. Eli also told me that he believed a big part of the reason for his company’s downfall was the American consumer’s unwillingness in too many instances to "put their money where their mouth is," adding that too many people preach "Buy American" but not enough are actually doing it.

Cape Shoe’s workers were represented by UAW Local 1930, so unions were obviously a very likely target consumer group for Cape Shoe products. Eli told me he would get permission to offer his union-made boots at manufacturing plants on occasion, but when he would walk into a unionized plant of 4,000 workers and only sell 100 pairs of union-made boots, it did tend to give him an uneasy feeling about the future viability of pushing "Buy American." I’m certainly not here to bash unions. I belong to two of them. But that doesn’t mean I agree with everything union leaders suggest either. Unions, just like any other organization, can get big and greedy and experience their share of corruption. But so can the government, yet no one would be credible in saying that because of that we should abolish government. And likewise, we should not be advocates to abolish unions. They are probably the only organization left today that has the power to put upward pressure on wages. America needs that. But as Eli pointed out in one of his great articles at www.workertimes.com (http://www.workertimes.com/), "Union members should not call for preserving American jobs while wearing Chinese-made clothing and footwear. Every purchase counts. Union leaders need to educate their members on the importance of their individual contributions and refocus them on shared communal values. These union leaders, in effect, represent all American workers."

[RoBoTeq]

Meaning: Its source is an English expression meaning "Cleansing."

Languages: This boy's name is used in English.

Non-English Forms: Kalaila

Popularity: The name Clyde ranked 187th in popularity for males of all ages in a sample of the 1990 US Census.

This name is highly rated in the 1990 U.S. Census popularity survey of all ages, but after 1960 does not appear in the state data listing the most popular baby names.

Narrative: It comes from the name of a river in Scotland.

Scholars believe that this and other Scottish place names were given to slaves in America in place of their African names as part of the policy of forced acculturation that characterized American slavery.

Despite this bleak association, the name remains popular among African Americans, and has spread to other ethnic groups as well.

http://www.babynamer.com/Clyde

I had a boy and must have read every name in the book. I actually liked the name Clyde, but the wife nixed it. I wanted to call my daughter Virgina, but nixed again...I like older names I guess...:D
Well, clyde is a name we oldsters latched onto when the Australian song; Tie Me Kangaroo Down, was popular.

It was mostly used as a term for someone who didn't seem to know what they were talking about. Got it, clyde?;)

[Pneuma]

Well, clyde is a name we oldsters latched onto when the Australian song; Tie Me Kangaroo Down, was popular.

It was mostly used as a term for someone who didn't seem to know what they were talking about. Got it, clyde?;)

What a pickle...if I say I don't get it that'd make me a Clyde...:p

[Roscoe]

What a pickle...if I say I don't get it that'd make me a Clyde...:p

you are most definitely a Clyde.........Clyde......................

[RoBoTeq]

What a pickle...if I say I don't get it that'd make me a Clyde...:p
Well, maybe this will help bridge the gap; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raYS3RGVdCE

Unfortunately you'll need to listen to the end to get the Clyde reference, but it is an interesting little tune:p

[glennac]

Hey I used to know a barber named Clyde . He had a small little stand alone wooden shack barber shop (Clyde's Barber Shop) next to some railroad tracks. He was kind of a nut. Some good old boys got him to gap the back a supervisors head while getting a hair cut. Pissed him off something terrible. :eek:

His wife finally left him and he walked out of the shop one day right in front of a train and it ran him over and killed him. The shack just stood there empty for years before it was finally torn down. That was the "Clyde" I knew.:)

[RoBoTeq]

Hey I used to know a barber named Clyde . He had a small little stand alone wooden shack barber shop (Clyde's Barber Shop) next to some railroad tracks. He was kind of a nut. Some good old boys got him to gap the back a supervisors head while getting a hair cut. Pissed him off something terrible. :eek:

His wife finally left him and he walked out of the shop one day right in front of a train and it ran him over and killed him. The shack just stood there empty for years before it was finally torn down. That was the "Clyde" I knew.:)
Yep, that sounds like a Clyde all right:D

[RoBoTeq]

One website named "60's slang - Cougars" has this;



ding-bat noun; a person one dislikes or insults; one who acts as if he were of low intelligence. “Pick it up, you ding bat.” (Clod, clyde, melvin) dip noun; a person that one dislikes or insults, someone of below average intelligence. “The guy who flunked four out of five classes is really a dip.” (Clod, clyde, ding-bat) I never heard Clyde used toward someone who wasn't liked, just someone who was not particularly "with it".

[RoBoTeq]

Another website has this definition and origin;

Clyde (http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/clyde)


bumpkin, square, moron. Origin: biker culture.
I had the deal made when this Clyde showed up and ruined it!Submitted by B. Kellier, Alberta, Canada, Jan 25 2000.

[Slatts]

What name is roscoe calling you that is offending you? Clyde?:D

Geez, if being called clyde offends someone, they obviously have no clue about clyde.

Tan me hyde,
When I'm dead; Fred.
Tan me hyde,
When I'm dead.....
So-we-tanned-his-hyde,
When he died, clyde,
And that's it a hanging on the shed.

It sounds so much better in it's original Australian (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_D-LmRNdQiQ)Robo

[Slatts]

Well, maybe this will help bridge the gap; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raYS3RGVdCE

Unfortunately you'll need to listen to the end to get the Clyde reference, but it is an interesting little tune:p
Damn, looks like you beat me to it:o

[RoBoTeq]

It sounds so much better in it's original Australian (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_D-LmRNdQiQ)Robo
You just had to link to one with a Black guy in it:rolleyes:

[RoBoTeq]

Damn, looks like you beat me to it:o
Yea, and without the Black guy:D

[Slatts]

just back on topic for a mo, imagine if Obama had tried to run as a white bloke.

[bootlen]

just back on topic for a mo, imagine if Obama had tried to run as a white bloke.

Before you go any further with anything liberal...

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=186289

[Roscoe]

Before you go any further with anything liberal...

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=186289

hehehehe Slatts got a smack down...........:D

[Slatts]

hehehehe Slatts got a smack down...........:D
I had a look at lens link. I can't say I see the relevance to my post.
What I was trying to suggest was how silly it would have been for Obama, a bloke with a very dark complexsion, to say that, as half his ancestry was Caucasian, he was white and run his campaign accordingly.
how do you think he'd have done in the primaries?
As for white guilt, I lump it with original sin and have no truck with it.
Of course race was an issue.

[mrs reb77]

He ran the way he knew he'd come out with the most votes.



Maybe McCain should have run as a black man? I understand that he and Obama are some distant cousins?


Race should never matter in an issue such as this. But it does. You don't hear people talking about the Illinoian or the Hawaiian being elected. It's the first 'African American'.

[mrs reb77]

hehehehe Slatts got a smack down...........:D

You're probably next...what do I mean probably--of course you are!! :D

[Slatts]

He ran the way he knew he'd come out with the most votes.

Er.... yeah...




Maybe McCain should have run as a black man? I understand that he and Obama are some distant cousins?

I suspect his complexion is a tad pail to pull it off.:p



Race should never matter in an issue such as this. But it does.

And as long as voters are human, it will.


You don't hear people talking about the Illinoisan or the Hawaiian being elected. It's the first 'African American'.

I don't know about Illinoisans (ignorant foreigner) but I don't think an Hawaiian has ever been elected president. I'll bet though if one did, he'd get the majority of votes from Hawaii.
How've you been keeping Mrs R?:)

[mrs reb77]

Ah, but Senator Obama was supposedly born and even partially reared in Hawaii. Thus, he is a Hawaiian...he moved to Illinois well after reaching adulthood to take up the community organizing gig.

I'm doing well slatts, very very busy here in rural Missouri...which is a good thing! :D:D

[Slatts]

Ah, but Senator Obama was supposedly born and even partially reared in Hawaii. Thus, he is a Hawaiian...he moved to Illinois well after reaching adulthood to take up the community organizing gig.

I'm doing well slatts, very very busy here in rural Missouri...which is a good thing! :D:D
i should have made the connection after hearing his grandmother lived in Hawaii.:o
how did he do there? Just out of curiosity.
Summer is starting to bite here so more late nights in supermarket plant rooms. Which is also good.
The kids need new shoes;) (Size 14:eek: )