My Thoughts on the election

[ChristopherNJ]

I just read McCain concession speech and I can say it was very moving. Made me very proud that he was able to say the things he did. It was a proper ending to this mess of an election.

The reasons why I feel McCain lost:
1) The democrats had a very messy primary. All the dirt was out on Obama. When people say “the media is so left/biased” I have to laugh, for the longest time the media was trashing this guy and trying to connect him with all sorts of wack jobs. I don’t think the media loved Obama, I think they loved to sell news and get ratings.
2) Nearly every night, and every headline were clips of McCain and Plain trashing Obama. I think this turned a lot of people off. They kept trying to play defense when they should have been going offensive.
3) McCain almost had the organized labor vote. The unions weren’t that quick to get behind Obama, in fact they were mostly split. However McCain had some union busting things on his agenda. If he would have crossed that stuff off on his campaign to do list, he stood a shot at carrying a union vote.
4) He should have distanced himself from Bush more.
5) Palin. Sarah turned out to be a better pit bull in lipstick then running mate. I think a lot of the republicans he lost were turned off by her. The media lobbed some easy questions at her and she couldn’t give a straight answer.
6) It was clear by last spring the economy was in trouble. If he would started talking economy as a primary goal of his agenda he might have won.
7) I think in many ways McCain got his party’s nomination because he was possibly the only man that might be able to straighten out the situation in Iraq. Nevertheless Iraq was put on the back burner for now. The biggest issue was the economy and McCain was weak when it came to campaigning based on the economy.
8) I am really bummed that Giuliani didn’t run a better campaign. He would have had my vote. He is a moderate republican. That’s what I like.
9) Why is it that now all the guys in this board are saying things like…
Im going to move to Canada
Im turning my flag upside down
But when Obama’s wife said he was not proud of our country people were up in arms. That looks and smells like hypocrisy to me!
10) Just talked to a friend that is stationed in Texas. Hes been to Iraq once already. Going back again this winter. He said “ONLY BAD CAN COME OF THIS” “that’s a dream of his, not gonna happen” (reffering to pulling out of Iraq) “he is full of ****, the army is not happy” I disagree with him but none the less that’s just one soldiers opinion.
11) I have high hopes for this presidency. I think anything will be better then the last 8 years.

[geepo12]

“the media is so left/biased” I have to laugh,


sorry, I had to stop reading at this point...you lost all credibility after writing the above.

I guess you missed the survey that ranked the national news and their negative vs positive statements about Obama and McCain. Do you really believe the media was not bias for Obama in this election? wow

[jmac00]

“the media is so left/biased” I have to laugh,


sorry, I had to stop reading at this point...you lost all credibility after writing the above.

I guess you missed the survey that ranked the national news and their negative vs positive statements about Obama and McCain. Do you really believe the media was not bias for Obama in this election? wow

I have to agree, last night when I was watching the big three ( ABC, NBC, CBS) it was ALL ABOUT Obama. There was NOTHING from or about McCain..........freaking pathetic :mad:

[tunnel_rat]

I have high hopes for this presidency. I think anything will be better then the last 8 years.


You know what they say, you can hope in one hand and s$it in the other and see which fills up first.

You obviously weren't around for Jimmah Carter. To say anything is better than the last 8 yrs. is naive at best, that's what they were saying in Germany in the 30's. Remember how that worked out for 'em? What do you HOPE the Pres. will do for you? He shouldn't do anything but get the gov't out of your way. He is not Santa! Jeeeezzzz.........:rolleyes:

[hvacpope]

McCain "the maverick" lost because he didn’t have a clear plan, his poorly ran campaign was geared to anyone but the conservatives republicans.
McCain did not deserved the victory, he is part of the many things that are wrong with the "modern" Republican Party. I’m somehow happy about his defeat.
Hopefully the republicans learned the lesson, they wont win another election by trying to be like democrats, the party needs to go back to the Reagan era of no apologies and shake up all the left leaning cowards like the ultimate looser, we dont need another left! why settle for imitators when we can have the real deal?:confused:

[cehs]

I didn't realy care for ANY of the candidates.
I voted for the lesser of all evils.
ChristopherNJ you seem as biased and deceived as any liberal that has opened his mouth.
You seem blind to the media's lies and liberals as well.
Not that the conservatives are perfect, they just want EACH person to support THEMSELVES not be supported by sharing YOUR welth with them....
:D
just my 2 cents.

[whec720]

McCain "the maverick" lost because he didn’t have a clear plan, his poorly ran campaign was geared to anyone but the conservatives republicans.
McCain did not deserved the victory, he is part of the many things that are wrong with the "modern" Republican Party. I’m somehow happy about his defeat.
Hopefully the republicans learned the lesson, they wont win another election by trying to be like democrats, the party needs to go back to the Reagan era of no apologies and shake up all the left leaning cowards like the ultimate looser, we dont need another left! why settle for imitators when we can have the real deal?:confused:

Some real good insight there, pope. Democrats: Coke Classic.........Moderate Republicans: New Coke. Nothing like the real thing.:D

[glennac]

Some real good insight there, pope. Democrats: Coke Classic.........Moderate Republicans: New Coke. Nothing like the real thing.:D

More like Classic with a little coke added to motivate their base if you know what I mean.:eek:

[jpb2]

Would someone tell me when a conservative will stand up and fight ? I'm A Libertarian. that voted Johnny boy. And i really hope this is a wake up call:mad:

[jmac00]

I think the basic problem with the election in general is this:

On one hand we have John McCain, the quintessential patriotic American. he has a proven record on ethics and is above reproach when it comes to Honesty,integrity and patriotism.

On the other hand we have Barak Obama, who has 20+ year association with radical religious, anti-America zealots. Who's only "service" to America is..........well, I can't think of anything? His "associates" are either anti-American nut jobs or in jail. Other than that, I actually like the guy.

The good news is, in 4 years we get to try again. The bad news is, if Obama and Democrats screws up enough (fail to keep there promise) the damage maybe unrepairable.

My only request of our President elect, is KEEP YOUR PROMISES :flg: If you fail to do that, i will do everything in my power to see your DO NOT get re-elected.........as is my right



God help us all

[mrs reb77]

Yeah, the media were totally against Obama right from the start. That's why Saturday Night Live was making such fun of them--they hoped to get them to totally lighten up. Hillary saw it too, she knew it wasn't right, she really hated the way the media gave her total passes on things and then hit Obama so hard--everything came out in those primaries! I mean, no reporters talked about the 'tingles' they felt about Obama and that's for sure!

:rolleyes:


I'm mrs reb and I approve THIS message!

[ChristopherNJ]

I thought the same thing about the news not showing the McCain camp. But anytime they cut to them it looked pretty desolate and depressed, there was no excitement, it was the polar opposite of Obamas camp. It made sence they didnt spend too much time on that. I think if McCain was winning they would have got the camera time.


The dems had a long primary where the media already sold the Obama stories. By the time he was nominated the news story to sell was McCain vs Obama. I think there are more consertive talk show hosts then there are liberal. I dont think the media is as biased as some of you like to believe, but I do think they are in the business of selling news, which explains why they "report" (if you want to call it that) the way they do.


SNL looks for an easy target and Palin was it. I really do not think they are biased. Phil Hartmen did his Clinton impression for years. The Palin impression was dead on and the stuff out of the Couric interview was comedic gold. I dont see a bias there. They goofed on Biden but Tina Fey stole the show.


The "biased" media didnt really seem to focus on the Keating 5 scandle as much as I thought they would. It was mearly a blip in the radar screen.


Jimmy Carter reference VS Bush reference. What was the bull**** war that Carter started? I know Bush gave us the sham of the Iraq Freedom war but I cant remember the name of the one Carter started.


And I still stand by that the hypocracy of the posters here is laughable.

[dan wong]

I have read all the post here about our election, I did not see any more new opinion or new idea presented.

I thought it might be interesting to take a peek from other part of the world Here is the first one (:D:D:D intended to be humor :D:D:D hehe)

http://news.hunantv.com/x/20081105/59892.html

[RoBoTeq]

I believe we have all been taken for a ride by the media and all of the politicians involved. For the past 18 - 24 months, way to long of a time period, we have been manipulated by the media to view our political process more as some kind of perverse "reality show".

Between the media basically orchestrating the whole structure of whose dirt got aired and who got a pass, we have been treated like a nation of "Who will get voted to not live in the White House" reality show viewers. I'll bet the media made a bundle from advertizers who knew we were going to be glued to our TV's and buying up the papers and magazines that ran all of the goings on of the contestants seeking to live in the White House.

OK, my anxiety level is still overflowing, but I will not let these people hang me up for so long ever again during an election. I am absolutely drained from this overdrawn, over manipulated election.

[geepo12]

No bias??? wake up..

"For Obama during this period, just over a third of the stories were clearly positive in tone (36%), while a similar number (35%) were neutral or mixed. A smaller number (29%) were negative.

For McCain, by comparison, nearly six in ten of the stories studied were decidedly negative in nature (57%), while fewer than two in ten (14%) were positive."


http://www.journalism.org./node/13307

[whec720]

No bias??? wake up..

"For Obama during this period, just over a third of the stories were clearly positive in tone (36%), while a similar number (35%) were neutral or mixed. A smaller number (29%) were negative.

For McCain, by comparison, nearly six in ten of the stories studied were decidedly negative in nature (57%), while fewer than two in ten (14%) were positive."


http://www.journalism.org./node/13307

Yeah...but...BUSH CAUSED HURRICANE KATRINA!:mad:









:D:D:D

[jmac00]

Yeah...but...BUSH CAUSED HURRICANE KATRINA!:mad:









:D:D:D

ya, I think the Civil War was his fault to :D

[mrs reb77]

And there was that large tsunami....

[ChristopherNJ]

Yeah...but...BUSH CAUSED HURRICANE KATRINA!:mad:









:D:D:D

No he didnt cause it, but you think he handled that crisis well?

3 days????

[ChristopherNJ]

No bias??? wake up..

"For Obama during this period, just over a third of the stories were clearly positive in tone (36%), while a similar number (35%) were neutral or mixed. A smaller number (29%) were negative.

For McCain, by comparison, nearly six in ten of the stories studied were decidedly negative in nature (57%), while fewer than two in ten (14%) were positive."


http://www.journalism.org./node/13307



Would you say the media was unfair in their Swiftboat crap they pulled with Kerry. There was quite a bit of negative press at the time. Where was the bias then?



ALSO A PART YOU FORGOT TO QUOTE:
One question likely to be posed is whether these findings provide evidence that the news media are pro-Obama. Is there some element in these numbers that reflects a rooting by journalists for Obama and against McCain, unconscious or otherwise? The data do not provide conclusive answers. They do offer a strong suggestion that winning in politics begat winning coverage, thanks in part to the relentless tendency of the press to frame its coverage of national elections as running narratives about the relative position of the candidates in the polls and internal tactical maneuvering to alter those positions. Obama’s coverage was negative in tone when he was dropping in the polls, and became positive when he began to rise, and it was just so for McCain as well. Nor are these numbers different than what we have seen before. Obama’s numbers are similar to what we saw for John Kerry four years ago as he began rising in the polls, and McCain’s numbers are almost identical to what we saw eight years ago for Democrat Al Gore.

[whec720]

No he didnt cause it, but you think he handled that crisis well?

3 days????

Yep, about 90% better than Naggin and landrieu.

[ChristopherNJ]

I consider myself a Republican, but I think Bush did an awful job. He definitely catered to the guys that put him in office, e.g. oil companies, drug companies, finance companies and the wealthy elite. Not to mention giving government jobs to unqualified people (Michael Brown et al) in return for monetary and political support.

[whec720]

I consider myself a Republican, but I think Bush did an awful job. He definitely catered to the guys that put him in office, e.g. oil companies, drug companies, finance companies and the wealthy elite. Not to mention giving government jobs to unqualified people (Michael Brown et al) in return for monetary and political support.

Well now you will have a President who caters to Soros and his crowd of sheep......better??:rolleyes:

[RoBoTeq]

No he didnt cause it, but you think he handled that crisis well?

3 days????
The worst thing that happened when Hurricane Katrina hit was that the politicians and the people of New Orleans were pathetic in their reactions to the storms destruction. Other areas, some not too far away from New Orleans, got hit nearly as bad without having the problems that New Orleans had. Lately when Galveston got nailed in the same way, we didn't have to hear about all of the self generated problems that occured in New Orleans.

Just like a liberal unionized Democrat, you think that someone else should have been responsible for the safety and well being of those who would not be responsible for themselves in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina.

Ya know, if your kind would just grow a set, you wouldn't have to whine about others not taking care of you as much.

[RoBoTeq]

I consider myself a Republican, but I think Bush did an awful job. He definitely catered to the guys that put him in office, e.g. oil companies, drug companies, finance companies and the wealthy elite. Not to mention giving government jobs to unqualified people (Michael Brown et al) in return for monetary and political support.
If you consider yourself a Republican, you have no right leaving the house:rolleyes:

You are about as much a Republican as I am built like Adonis and have the mental capacity of Albert Einstein.

[ChristopherNJ]

The worst thing that happened when Hurricane Katrina hit was that the politicians and the people of New Orleans were pathetic in their reactions to the storms destruction. Other areas, some not too far away from New Orleans, got hit nearly as bad without having the problems that New Orleans had. Lately when Galveston got nailed in the same way, we didn't have to hear about all of the self generated problems that occured in New Orleans.

Just like a liberal unionized Democrat, you think that someone else should have been responsible for the safety and well being of those who would not be responsible for themselves in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina.

Ya know, if your kind would just grow a set, you wouldn't have to whine about others not taking care of you as much.

The issue at hand was the way Bush handled a situation. I think he did a horrible job. It was 3 days before they got help, regardless of their situation, American citizens had to wait 3 days for their president to get off his ass.


I think its is the govenments job to step in during a natural disaster crisis. It has nothing to do with political beliefs as you make it out to be.

[tunnel_rat]

Ya know, if your kind would just grow a set, you wouldn't have to whine about others not taking care of you as much.


Bravo!...That's what it comes down to. :D


If Libs started this country, (which they couldn't) we'd be asking Cambodia for assistance by now. Unless we were already taken over by France........:rolleyes:

[ChristopherNJ]

If you consider yourself a Republican, you have no right leaving the house:rolleyes:

You are about as much a Republican as I am built like Adonis and have the mental capacity of Albert Einstein.

I think I know how I vote, thanks.

[RoBoTeq]

I think I know how I vote, thanks.
Really?

Well, if you voted Republican while feeling the way your posts indicate, I rescind my comment about you should not leave your house. If this is the case; "They" should not be letting you out on your own:confused:.

[ChristopherNJ]

Here everyone is crying about what they perceive as socialism, Obama wanted to cut taxes for the masses, and making up for it by raising taxes on a higher tax bracket group.

But its no socialism when rebublicans ask for free market with a saftey net.


I lived in NJ for a long long time. I serve customers who are CEOs CFOs, hedge fund managers, and Wall Street guys, big shots, worth hundreds of millions.

I saw theses people DESTRORY our country and then ask for a bailout. No some people here will have you believe that this current situation was caused by democrates asking for a more fair lending system. However anyone that really knows how Wall Street works know that it was, well WALL STREET that caused this problem.

This group of wealthy elites have been the biggest backers of freemarket capitism and have put BIG money in the pockets of republicans. The republicans have catered to them every step of the way.

You expect me to be dumb enough to fall for the same set of lines told to me year after year?


TRICKLE DOWN doesnt work
READ MY LIPS NO NEW TAXES doesnt work
THEY HAVE WMDs WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAR NOW, was nothing but a lie

[whec720]

Here everyone is crying about what they perceive as socialism, Obama wanted to cut taxes for the masses, and making up for it by raising taxes on a higher tax bracket group.

But its no socialism when rebublicans ask for free market with a saftey net.


I lived in NJ for a long long time. I serve customers who are CEOs CFOs, hedge fund managers, and Wall Street guys, big shots, worth hundreds of millions.

I saw theses people DESTRORY our country and then ask for a bailout. No some people here will have you believe that this current situation was caused by democrates asking for a more fair lending system. However anyone that really knows how Wall Street works know that it was, well WALL STREET that caused this problem.

This group of wealthy elites have been the biggest backers of freemarket capitism and have put BIG money in the pockets of republicans. The republicans have catered to them every step of the way.

You expect me to be dumb enough to fall for the same set of lines told to me year after year?


TRICKLE DOWN doesnt work
READ MY LIPS NO NEW TAXES doesnt work
THEY HAVE WMDs WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAR NOW, was nothing but a lie

Yeah....Dodd and Frank had absolutely nothing to do with it.:rolleyes:

You must think that Democrats make the rivers flow with milk and honey. Let me ask you something, do Democrats do anything wrong?:confused:

[whec720]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg&feature=related

[ChristopherNJ]

Yeah....Dodd and Frank had absolutely nothing to do with it.:rolleyes:

You must think that Democrats make the rivers flow with milk and honey. Let me ask you something, do Democrats do anything wrong?:confused:



This is where you are wrong. I think the dems make alot of mistakes. I think govenment as a whole makes alot of mistakes.


THe reason my posts may appear pro dem is b/c if I agreed with everyone here there would be no debate. I read the things here and it sounds like im getting the same Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill O Riely garbage. To just blame dems for everything is assinine. The republicans have alot of blood on their hands. There is edvince to suggest that their basis for a free market with no regulation, tax cuts for the rich and war has not been such a great agenda.


Im a big believer in a smaller govenment. But neither party is for that right now.

[whec720]

This is where you are wrong. I think the dems make alot of mistakes. I think govenment as a whole makes alot of mistakes.


THe reason my posts may appear pro dem is b/c if I agreed with everyone here there would be no debate. I read the things here and it sounds like im getting the same Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill O Riely garbage. To just blame dems for everything is assinine. The republicans have alot of blood on their hands. There is edvince to suggest that their basis for a free market with no regulation, tax cuts for the rich and war has not been such a great agenda.


Im a big believer in a smaller govenment. But neither party is for that right now.

Enlighten me on your view of mistakes made by Democrats......................................... .........I'm waiting.:rolleyes:

I think you are just another Soros Koolaid drinker, JMHO.:cool:

[ChristopherNJ]

Enlighten me on your view of mistakes made by Democrats......................................... .........I'm waiting.:rolleyes:

I think you are just another Soros Koolaid drinker, JMHO.:cool:

Give me and issue ill tell you my stance. Show me a bill democrates passed and I will comment.

[whec720]

Give me and issue ill tell you my stance. Show me a bill democrates passed and I will comment.

Okay.

What do you make of the youtube clip I recently posted for starters.

[ChristopherNJ]

Okay.

What do you make of the youtube clip I recently posted for starters.


I had always wondered why Fannie and Freddie never got split up. Isnt that what anti trust laws were for? There is no doubt that there should have been regulation.

Im not for the bailout at all. In fact I think they should have been allowed to fail.

Barney Frank should be in jail.

[whec720]

I had always wondered why Fannie and Freddie never got split up. Isnt that what anti trust laws were for? There is no doubt that there should have been regulation.

Im not for the bailout at all. In fact I think they should have been allowed to fail.

Barney Frank should be in jail.

See.....that was not so bad.:D

I apologize. You're are not a Koolaid drinker. Corruption is wide spread and not just defined by the Republican Party. All though, you would not know that by watching most main stream media outlets.

You're on your way, Chris. Get a sense of humor and you'll be right there with ace.:D

Cheers!:)

[ChristopherNJ]

Now heres a clip that shows how things really went down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTr3aWqZsgc&feature=related




I pretty much agree with the guy. However where I think hes wrong is the fact that hes putting blame on Clinton and democrates wanting to get people in homes. The banks used to not lend to certin areas codes, this clearly was bad for the country. We in construction saw a boom onces we started with these urban renewal projects.


Youll see that the current mess, its really the banks fault. They approved bad loans. They made the decisions. Wall Street put money into risky devices.

[bootlen]

The issue at hand was the way Bush handled a situation. I think he did a horrible job. It was 3 days before they got help, regardless of their situation, American citizens had to wait 3 days for their president to get off his ass.


I think its is the govenments job to step in during a natural disaster crisis. It has nothing to do with political beliefs as you make it out to be.

That's where you are wrong. The Feds CANNOT, by law, do anything without an invitation by the local/state government. Landrieu and Nagin were the ones sitting on their asses.

Matter of fact, the Red Cross tried to enter NO the day after the storm but were told at the bridge to leave by Nagin's henchmen.

[whec720]

Now heres a clip that shows how things really went down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTr3aWqZsgc&feature=related




I pretty much agree with the guy. However where I think hes wrong is the fact that hes putting blame on Clinton and democrates wanting to get people in homes. The banks used to not lend to certin areas codes, this clearly was bad for the country. We in construction saw a boom onces we started with these urban renewal projects.


Youll see that the current mess, its really the banks fault. They approved bad loans. They made the decisions. Wall Street put money into risky devices.

Cool link, Chris. This took me awhile to watch the whole thing; there were five parts. However, I agree with him, loaning money to people who can't afford the loan and won't (or can't) pay it back, is stupid. I also agree with him, as stated in part 5, socialist schemes by Democrats, are stupid. Lots of blame to go around on this one. Perhaps it all begins with Carter's Community Reinvestment Act .

[Richard Kletty]

The issue at hand was the way Bush handled a situation. I think he did a horrible job. It was 3 days before they got help, regardless of their situation, American citizens had to wait 3 days for their president to get off his ass.


I think its is the govenments job to step in during a natural disaster crisis. It has nothing to do with political beliefs as you make it out to be.

You have no idea what you're even talking about. And, you are not a republican. Jeepers....

I rode out 2 hurricanes and had the roof of my house ripped off with water running in on both. I had to wait 2 weeks both times to have my power back on and then waited 3 months to even have an insurance guy come look at the destruction.

The gubmint didnt jump in within 3 days there either. Big deal.

Nagin was the problem in NO and guess what? didnt they re-elect him?

Was I bummed out for the folks there? Sure. Did I realize that many of them caused their own problems. You betcha.

The same folks who didnt leave when they were told to evacuate, and re-elected Nagin are the same folks who voted Obama.

[RoBoTeq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg&feature=related
Yep. The only corporations given an exemption to having to be SOX compliant so that there were no checks and balances to see all of the money being sluffed to the Democratic Party coffers as well as to the CEO who cooked the books.

When Republicans called for Fannie and Freddie to be looked into, Democrats started crying that Republicans just didn't want Blacks to own homes and that Republicans were picking on Fannie's CEO only because he was Black. When backed into a corner, just yell racism.

[RoBoTeq]

Im a big believer in a smaller govenment. But neither party is for that right now.
Well now, something I can't argue with:cool: