Why are Democrats Afraid of me

[jmac00]

and my guns?

I have not broke any laws (except the occasional traffic violation)

I am a responsible, hard working (unless you ask my ex) tax paying citizen

I am educated

I am well trained in the use of hand guns and firearms in General (including archery)

I keep my firearms under lock and key unless I am in direct contact with a weapon ( I even have a gun safe through bolted and tack welded to the floor of my truck, between the seats)

I have never been under the care of any mental institution, for any reason

What makes me so dangerous to the Democratic party:confused:

[crab master]

Because "Drunk Chicks Dig you" :D

[coolerfixer]

It's not the responsible ones like you that are feared. The morons and thugs are the ones that are the problem.
The 2nd amendment argument is a very complex one. Should everybody have grenade launchers? Full auto 50 cals? I don't think so. Where should the line be drawn? How do you filter out the unstable or criminal? How do you keep the weapons out of criminal hands?
I live in a small town that had a sniper kill 5 people (including a cop) last year. Wacko barricaded himself in a church, killed the old guy that was the caretaker, shot up a bunch of sheriff cars. Picked off a bunch of people, taunted the cops as the wounded lay dieing. Horrible crime. Killed himself, saved the county a lot of money. He used an M1-A1 Garand and another gun I don't recall right now.
North Idaho, hunters paradise, virtually every home has at least one firearm. I fully support the right to firearms, but something needs to be done. What, I don't know. No easy answers.

[jpsmith1cm]

It's not the responsible ones like you that are feared. The morons and thugs are the ones that are the problem.
The 2nd amendment argument is a very complex one. Should everybody have grenade launchers? Full auto 50 cals? I don't think so. Where should the line be drawn? How do you filter out the unstable or criminal? How do you keep the weapons out of criminal hands?
I live in a small town that had a sniper kill 5 people (including a cop) last year. Wacko barricaded himself in a church, killed the old guy that was the caretaker, shot up a bunch of sheriff cars. Picked off a bunch of people, taunted the cops as the wounded lay dieing. Horrible crime. Killed himself, saved the county a lot of money. He used an M1-A1 Garand and another gun I don't recall right now.
North Idaho, hunters paradise, virtually every home has at least one firearm. I fully support the right to firearms, but something needs to be done. What, I don't know. No easy answers.

By definition, criminals DO NOT obey laws, new or old. To pass new laws to control people who break laws is the peak of denial.

Gun control is people contol, pure and simple. When we are disarmed, we will have no recourse but to follow along peacefully and bleat contentedly with the rest of the sheep.

To answer the original question, Democrats are afraid of you because you can stop them. Once disarmed, you will be powerless, and they know it.

Look at the rise to power of the other 20th century dictators. Ban religion, ban guns, seize total control of a disoriented and disarmed population.

Sound like any country that you and I live in?

Gun control doesn't work anymore than prohibition did or drug laws work. It's already illegal for felons to own guns and to commit crimes with guns. Why do we need more laws to re-state the obvious?

[jmac00]

It's not the responsible ones like you that are feared. The morons and thugs are the ones that are the problem.
The 2nd amendment argument is a very complex one. Should everybody have grenade launchers? Full auto 50 cals? I don't think so. Where should the line be drawn? How do you filter out the unstable or criminal? How do you keep the weapons out of criminal hands?
I live in a small town that had a sniper kill 5 people (including a cop) last year. Wacko barricaded himself in a church, killed the old guy that was the caretaker, shot up a bunch of sheriff cars. Picked off a bunch of people, taunted the cops as the wounded lay dieing. Horrible crime. Killed himself, saved the county a lot of money. He used an M1-A1 Garand and another gun I don't recall right now.
North Idaho, hunters paradise, virtually every home has at least one firearm. I fully support the right to firearms, but something needs to be done. What, I don't know. No easy answers.

and ONE legally armed citizen with that 50 cal, could have taken the sniper out from half a mile away.

I will agree with you on the point that no one needs a RPG or a auto-loading 50cal, but I like shooting L-O-N-G distance.....200+ yards and a 50cal bolt action is the perfect long range firearm, I don't own one YET!

Besides fully automatic weapons just waste ammo :D

[crab master]

Hello to my fellow Idahoan. It's too bad about what happened in Moscow. Too bad someone wasn't carrying that could have taken care of the bastard quickly. Weapons is a complex subject but in all reality if a criminal thought there would be an immediate and severe/terminal consequence they would be much less likely to be a criminal. Take away from the law abiding citizens and watch the number of criminals grow.

[acmanko]

You are confusing fear with pity:D

[jmac00]

You are confusing fear with pity:D


aaah, there we have it :cool::p

But! back to the original question? Why is Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstien (and all the other Democrats) afraid of me and my firearms:confused:

[jrbenny]

I don't know why, jmac. However, some of my friends at church and I were discussing the concern of banning gun ownership. These guys don't even own weapons and are seriously considering purchasing a hand gun and rifle before the restrictions start. One of them, a CCW permit holder, had already start stockpiling ammo.

[jmac00]

I don't know why, jmac. However, some of my friends at church and I were discussing the concern of banning gun ownership. These guys don't even own weapons and are seriously considering purchasing a hand gun and rifle before the restrictions start. One of them, a CCW permit holder, had already start stockpiling ammo.

well, they have about 3 months to get what they want or need:

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=93078&catid=8

[coolerfixer]

and ONE legally armed citizen with that 50 cal, could have taken the sniper out from half a mile away.

I will agree with you on the point that no one needs a RPG or a auto-loading 50cal, but I like shooting L-O-N-G distance.....200+ yards and a 50cal bolt action is the perfect long range firearm, I don't own one YET!

Besides fully automatic weapons just waste ammo :D

Both arguments are incorrect. The 7 law enforcement agencies that arrived within literally seconds had high power weapons, did no good. Of course there was a local idiot that got himself swiss cheesed because he had the same macho "I can take care of it myself because the cops can't" attitude. Not only did he get shot, but he then put more cops AND medics in danger for having to try and rescue his stupid a$$. The sniper was in the bell tower of the solid brick church, thickly surrounded by trees, and homes, at night, on top of the tallest hill in town. He obviously had done his homework, or had amazingly good luck. No clear shot from any safe distance. A tomahawk missile would have done the job, sure, but a little too much collateral damage. The point is, how do you keep morons and unstable people from getting or keeping weapons? I think the laws on the books are somewhat adequate, but the problem still exists. The answer is not a free-fire zone everywhere. Training and judgement are real issues. Every single one of you guys on H-talk might be the most cool headed, best trained marksmen around, but every year for as long as I can remember, at least a couple of hunters are shot, and sometimes killed by those with poor judgement. As I stated before, I have no problem with responsible gun ownership, It's just that there are too many morons out there.

[jpb2]

Gun sales are up close to 40% . Wish mine were as well

[crab master]

You can't punish the normal to account for the morons. Also my comment was refering to wishing someone was at point blank range with a conceled when the guy started firing at others.
You will never satisfy everyone. With or without laws.

[jmac00]

Both arguments are incorrect. The 7 law enforcement agencies that arrived within literally seconds had high power weapons, did no good. Of course there was a local idiot that got himself swiss cheesed because he had the same macho "I can take care of it myself because the cops can't" attitude. Not only did he get shot, but he then put more cops AND medics in danger for having to try and rescue his stupid a$$. The sniper was in the bell tower of the solid brick church, thickly surrounded by trees, and homes, at night, on top of the tallest hill in town. He obviously had done his homework, or had amazingly good luck. No clear shot from any safe distance. A tomahawk missile would have done the job, sure, but a little too much collateral damage. The point is, how do you keep morons and unstable people from getting or keeping weapons? I think the laws on the books are somewhat adequate, but the problem still exists. The answer is not a free-fire zone everywhere. Training and judgement are real issues. Every single one of you guys on H-talk might be the most cool headed, best trained marksmen around, but every year for as long as I can remember, at least a couple of hunters are shot, and sometimes killed by those with poor judgement. As I stated before, I have no problem with responsible gun ownership, It's just that there are too many morons out there.


well unfortunately you can't regulate stupidity :o and thats what your talking about. NOW! if you want to keep weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS, make using a weapon during the commission of a crime a capital offense~~~~death penalty, that would work. ;)

Yep and even with training, every year hunters *accidentally* kill one another, which is why I hunt in the Adirondacks on 150 acres of private land:D

[william antley]

Besides fully automatic weapons just waste ammo :D

Just set it to the "burst" setting, three rounds at a time, much better control, problem solved.:cool:

[coolerfixer]

You can't punish the normal to account for the morons.

My point exactly! Why should myself, or anyone in my family be exposed to morons with guns? I'm normal, so's my family, but we're all at risk of being "punished" or even executed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't see an easy solution to the issue. I, along with the original poster, have always been EXTREMELY careful with my firearms. I just don't know how to get everybody to be that way, as well as weed out the nuts. The 2nd amendment doesn't have a clause for a sanity or stupidity test (unfortunately).

I just would like to have a genuine exchange of ideas on how to fix the problem. The death penalty should apply for a hunter who "accidentally" kills another hunter? C'mon! There has to be some middle ground here to try to stop the killing. Even in small towns the police have "resource officers" on duty in schools. Granted it's not just guns, but geez, I don't ever remember a cop being at any of my schools growing up for any reason.

Now I know there's a couple of guys on here that think you SHOULD be able to have an RPG if you want, I think they're nuts! We don't live in Iraq, and I don't want America to be like that at all. Every household allowed one AK-47? That's just stupid.

I guess just flame away, if you must, but I can guarantee that another person, by the end of this year, a child maybe, will be killed with a gun again because of stupidity. Or heaven forbid, another mass school shooting. I want my right to bear arms, but what about the other idiots? I'm still looking for answers.

[jpsmith1cm]

How do you keep the unstable from getting weapons?

Its impossible. Unless you want to ban everything that can be made into or used as a weapon. It can't be done.

There are countless instances where a lawfully armed citizen could have stopped a monster with a gun, and countless instances where lawfully armed citizens HAVE stopped crimes and saved lives.

There is the best solution. Police, no matter how well armed and trained, cannot be everywhere. I wouldn't want them everywhere, anyway. This isn't a police state. The first line of defense is the citizenry, the police are mostly a clean up crew. An armed confrontation typically happens in the time it takes to dial 911.

The "wild-west" arguement doesn't wash. Every time that a state proposes shall-issue concealed carry legislation, we hear the same whining from the anti-gun nuts. They have been wrong EVERY TIME!

Concealed carry laws cause all forms of violent crime to drop dramatically and the reason is simple. The criminals don't know who is armed. The gun bans that have been enacted in this country and others have caused violent crimes to surge, because the people are no longer able to defend themselves as effectively.

In the face of all the evidence to the contrary, belief that gun control laws will do anything to affect criminals is insane, yet the gun grabbers continue to push their agenda. This makes me wonder at what their TRUE agenda is.

Passing gun control legislation only affects guys like me who will actually obey those laws. Like an errant bullet, although allegedly not aimed at me, I'm still hit by it. Does that make it any less wrong?

[crab master]

You will not find an answer that will satisfy you. Why should I not have a gun to protect myself and my family and to be able to go out and hunt because some moron can't be responsible with a gun?

[sline-dawg]

What makes me so dangerous to the Democratic party:confused:




You did check yourself out in the mirror this morning.... right bro....:confused:

[BamaCool]

You can't control a death weapon. That's not only guns. They're are MORE people killed by idiotic drivers than guns. Why don't we have car control? Owning a gun is a right. License to drive is a priveledge. Years ago none of this was a problem, but as the population grows, so does the number of idiots. How dare a government restrict me because other people can't handle their responsibilty. People have been killed with baseball bats. What about baseball bat control? Go eat at a restaurant and have a steak that has to be cut up by the cook because he has a special license to have a knife because some people have been killed by a knife. Where does it end? ANYTHING can be used as a weapon. The answer is controlling the people that are complete idiots. How do you do that? For one, we should make the gov't quit babying everybody. I want to live my life without gov't interference, telling me what is good for me & what's not. Do I think I should wear a seat belt ? Yes. Should it be a law? The gov't telling me I have to? NO! Since when does the gov't have the authority to be our nanny?:mad:

[jmac00]

My point exactly! Why should myself, or anyone in my family be exposed to morons with guns? I'm normal, so's my family, but we're all at risk of being "punished" or even executed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't see an easy solution to the issue. I, along with the original poster, have always been EXTREMELY careful with my firearms. I just don't know how to get everybody to be that way, as well as weed out the nuts. The 2nd amendment doesn't have a clause for a sanity or stupidity test (unfortunately).

again you can't legislate or regulate stupidity? and who is to say who is stupid or mentally challenged? I suppose you could make all the shrinks rich by making everyone that applies for a CCW permit get bonded. But what are you r-e-a-l-l-y trying to regulate? You still have the problem of a "normal" well adjusted individual just going postal one day? Lets face facts, If your going to allow guns in society, your going to have expect some level of risk. Statistically speaking, less than one tenth of one percent of legally armed citizens use there weapon in the commission of a crime.


I just would like to have a genuine exchange of ideas on how to fix the problem. The death penalty should apply for a hunter who "accidentally" kills another hunter? C'mon!

go back and re-read what I said, I said a person should get the death penalty if the use a gun IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME. Hunters who accidentally shoots another hunter, is simply stupid. He's also going to be broke from the law suites


Now I know there's a couple of guys on here that think you SHOULD be able to have an RPG if you want, I think they're nuts! We don't live in Iraq, and I don't want America to be like that at all. Every household allowed one AK-47? That's just stupid.

There is nothing wrong with an AK-47 in the household, or an AR-15 or an SKS for that matter, as long as they are not fully automatic. An RPG, to big and as far as I'm conncerned, a waste of money and time unless we are invaded by gangs with armored vehicles

[quoteI guess just flame away, if you must, but I can guarantee that another person, by the end of this year, a child maybe, will be killed with a gun again because of stupidity. Or heaven forbid, another mass school shooting. I want my right to bear arms, but what about the other idiots? I'm still looking for answers.[/QUOTE]


Guaranteeing there is going to be another accidental shooting of a child is the same as guaranteeing there going to be another car accident.

But look at the statistics, accidental shootings in the home are down over 70% form 1975 (or so) I can go find the stats if you want, but things are improving with better education.

[BamaCool]

I agree with alot of what you said, Jmac, but if I want a fully auto, I should be able to have one. Just for the fun of shooting it if nothing else. The thing about education I don't agree with. If you have to be educated to own a gun, you shouldn't have one!

[jmac00]

You did check yourself out in the mirror this morning.... right bro....:confused:


no, there all broke :D;):p

[jpb2]

Stupid is as stupid does. I wanna define stupid. Choices matter

[jmac00]

I agree with alot of what you said, Jmac, but if I want a fully auto, I should be able to have one. Just for the fun of shooting it if nothing else. The thing about education I don't agree with. If you have to be educated to own a gun, you shouldn't have one!


Ya, full auto is fun to shoot and if someone wants one I guess i really don't have a problem with that. After all, does it really matter if one bullet or 10 come out of the barrel?

I do think there are a lot of people out there who purchase a firearm without any clue as to the ramifications of such ownership. (not to pick on women) Women are buying firearms in record numbers and a lot of them, I believe would be grateful to have some education in it's operation and safe handling and even defensive tactics.

And what about an education on the legal aspects of discharging your firearm? What if you kill someone. For example, if you live in NJ and in your own home and you kill an intruder, there is a good bet that your going to be arrested and charged with murder. You will "probably" get out of it, but it's going to cost you some money.

I have used my firearm 3 times to defend myself. I have never had to discharge my weapon (thank god) but I am more than prepared (probably, way more prepared) than most people to know when to display the weapon and when to discharge the weapon. I'm not bragging here, but I think it goes to show that people use a firearm many more time to defend themselves than gets reported. (I am an IPSC shooter and I shoot almost every week, so far this year I have burned through a little over 8000 rounds and I don't shoot EVERY week :p)

[sline-dawg]

Even narrow sides of the barn fear you......:D Heck X 2.....:D :D




You got the northern border bro......



We may need a hand...... Nope..... Got the South......:cool:

[jmac00]

Even narrow sides of the barn fear you......:D Heck X 2.....:D :D




You got the northern border bro......



We may need a hand...... Nope..... Got the South......:cool:

:D:D we got 'er covered:D

[ChristopherNJ]

I have guns and im not a criminal or a gangster.

The argument that there are wackjobs out there is a weak argument. So many flaws in that way of thinking. How about cops just focus on getting illegal guns off the street. Why waste time and resources arresting the same thugs for the same crimes over and over again? Cut off the supply of guns to gangs.

[coolerfixer]

How about cops just focus on getting illegal guns off the street. Why waste time and resources arresting the same thugs for the same crimes over and over again? Cut off the supply of guns to gangs.

Exactly! How do you do that though? I sure as hell don't want Gestapo tactics used to go through every household in this nation, and it still wouldn't be effective.

[Chris_Worthington]

How about cops just focus on getting illegal guns off the street. Why waste time and resources arresting the same thugs for the same crimes over and over again? Cut off the supply of guns to gangs.

One of my X-wives is a DC detective and I can assure you the decision to arrest these POS time and time again does "not" rest in there hands, they would prefer they go away for along time, but "our" tax dollars come first and generally they are letting them go due our *****ing of the cost to house them, go figure?

[Roscoe]

and my guns?

I have not broke any laws (except the occasional traffic violation)

I am a responsible, hard working (unless you ask my ex) tax paying citizen

I am educated

I am well trained in the use of hand guns and firearms in General (including archery)

I keep my firearms under lock and key unless I am in direct contact with a weapon ( I even have a gun safe through bolted and tack welded to the floor of my truck, between the seats)

I have never been under the care of any mental institution, for any reason

What makes me so dangerous to the Democratic party:confused:

I don't know....but....I'm a card carrying gun toting conservative Republican from Pennsylvania an ya scare me........... :D

[ChristopherNJ]

Exactly! How do you do that though? I sure as hell don't want Gestapo tactics used to go through every household in this nation, and it still wouldn't be effective.

Im not in law enforment so I dont have the answers. However I do know the duty lies on the FBI, ATF, local cops, state poliece, customs agents, ect. In other words there are more then enough people "working" on this problem. I think all that needs to be done is that they kick it up a notch.

[jmac00]

I don't know....but....I'm a card carrying gun toting conservative Republican from Pennsylvania an ya scare me........... :D

I seem to frighten sober women to ~~~~~weird :D

The drunk ones~~~~not so much :eek:

[Roscoe]

Im not in law enforment so I dont have the answers. However I do know the duty lies on the FBI, ATF, local cops, state poliece, customs agents, ect. In other words there are more then enough people "working" on this problem. I think all that needs to be done is that they kick it up a notch.


What problem is that..............

[duckman373]

They don't like your guns, due to the reason behind the 2ad. An armed civilian population ensures our freedom, and is a challenge to the power of the government.

[duckman373]

And Mr Obama has become a friend of the gun owners during his campaign. He knows all it will take is one school shooting while he's in office, and it will open the door for him to reverse his new found respect for the 2ad, without much controversy.

[Chris_Worthington]

Im not in law enforment so I dont have the answers. However I do know the duty lies on the FBI, ATF, local cops, state poliece, customs agents, ect. In other words there are more then enough people "working" on this problem. I think all that needs to be done is that they kick it up a notch.

OK,,,,,

When they are arested and convicted AND there is NO room to house them, WHERE do you think they will and do end up????

wait, wait,,,,,,

let me answer this,,,,,

BACK on the streets :eek:

[jmac00]

I think part of the Law enforcement problem is simply the number of illegal guns on the black market.

I think there are so many guns out there, that it would be impossible to round them all up.

here in NYS we have to register every hand gun, so Law enforcement knows where the registered guns are. maybe thats why the Democrats want my guns, there the only ones they can find :rolleyes:

[acmanko]

conservatives do love the socialist prisons , don't they. arrest some criminal and spend 40,000.00 tax payers dollars a year keeping them housed and fed.

[crab master]

conservatives do love the socialist prisons , don't they. arrest some criminal and spend 40,000.00 tax payers dollars a year keeping them housed and fed.


That statement does not make sense. What do you think of the other parties views of prisons? I really think you got your parties mixed up.

[acmanko]

That statement does not make sense. What do you think of the other parties views of prisons? I really think you got your parties mixed up.
no not really, conservatives have been building new jails, liberals are happy with the older type

[glennac]

no not really, conservatives have been building new jails, liberals are happy with the older type

Well which kind to you prefer? Something like the old chain gang "cool hand Luke" or the new concrete pods? Need some input from someone who probably knows a lot about them.:D:)

[acmanko]

Well which kind to you prefer? Something like the old chain gang "cool hand Luke" or the new concrete pods? Need some input from someone who probably knows a lot about them.:D:)
I prefer the chain gang, fresh air blowing across my skinhead, sun burning my neck deep red and the chance to pee upwind of the guards.:D

[crab master]

I prefer the chain gang, fresh air blowing across my skinhead, sun burning my neck deep red and the chance to pee upwind of the guards.:D

That's what I would prefer to see, but due to the touchy feely type, dems+libs=ACLU, we have to worry about a prisoner's rights when that pisoner's rights should be taken away. Prison should be a miserable place - no tv, cold showers, limited food and more.

[glennac]

and my guns?
I have not broke any laws (except the occasional traffic violation)
I am a responsible, hard working (unless you ask my ex) tax paying citizen
I am educated
I am well trained in the use of hand guns and firearms in General (including archery)
I keep my firearms under lock and key unless I am in direct contact with a weapon ( I even have a gun safe through bolted and tack welded to the floor of my truck, between the seats)
I have never been under the care of any mental institution, for any reason
What makes me so dangerous to the Democratic party:confused:

Basicly because you probably don't look like them. Striaght White male who doesn't wear silk shirts, drives an American car or truck and who doesn't have weird accent. That's my guess anyhow.:D:)

[jmac00]

yep, I'm just your basic, down to earth American.


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going hunting next weekend. I got to go get my equipment together and clean the 'ol trusty 30-30.

I sighted her in last weekend~~~she's getting old and spreading out a little. At 100 yards she shooting 1¼" group :eek:not bad for a 28 year old gun;):p

[fixacr]

and my guns?

I have not broke any laws (except the occasional traffic violation)

I am a responsible, hard working (unless you ask my ex) tax paying citizen

I am educated

I am well trained in the use of hand guns and firearms in General (including archery)

I keep my firearms under lock and key unless I am in direct contact with a weapon ( I even have a gun safe through bolted and tack welded to the floor of my truck, between the seats)

I have never been under the care of any mental institution, for any reason

What makes me so dangerous to the Democratic party:confused:

jmac, the list you gave describing yourself (especially the well educated part) IS the reason liberals are afraid of you

[jmac00]

jmac, the list you gave describing yourself (especially the well educated part) IS the reason liberals are afraid of you

are you illiterate? no one said *WELL* educated ;):D:D:D:D:D

[BamaCool]

jmac, the list you gave describing yourself (especially the well educated part) IS the reason liberals are afraid of you
You got that right! They prefer that we are all robots that only do as instructed!

[acmanko]

its that you live in an are were you fell safe carrying a gun. pity those who don't find something better:D

[Roscoe]

conservatives do love the socialist prisons , don't they. arrest some criminal and spend 40,000.00 tax payers dollars a year keeping them housed and fed.


Nah here they let'em out early, so dey can sell crack rob donut shops and 7/11's execute cops, innocent bystanders, each other and little kids.

Why spend 40G's ta keep their raggedy asses eating 3 squares, getting free Muslim terrorist edumacatins.......:D, exorcising, lifting weights and making themselves more dangerous to society.

I think they outta let'em all loose, paint'em red and declare open season on reds...............ah you'd be red..........:p

[fixacr]

are you illiterate? no one said *WELL* educated ;):D:D:D:D:D

OOPS! I did mis-read that one!

I read an interview with a well known lawyer several years ago in which he stated that a good defense attorney, who believes that the person he is defending is guilty, will not want anyone on the jury who is well-read, intelligent and logical. Sounds like the requirements to be a liberal.:p