So who do I vote for??

[Chris_Worthington]

So who do I vote for??

I am 40 years old, make about 125K per year, I have little saved towards retirement in a 401K (don’t believe I will get there) have a little inheritance in savings, I have life insurance out the wazzoo and have never voted before, ever….

I have worked and lived in the DC area all my life and have met many of the people we all view on the TV. I have come to the conclusion a long time ago that these people are “not” the same people we all see on the TV.

I relocated to PA about 4 years ago (primarily due to traffic) and now I am relocating back to the DC area for financial security reasons as the price of absolutely everything has risen beyond PA wages and my lack of willingness to compromise without certain things I have felt that I have earned.

I am pretty up to date on the news and believe we are not at rock bottom yet, nor we will see rock bottom for yet another 6-18 months, I also do not see the DOW making a rebound to what 2 years ago? For another 10 years?? Regardless of whom is in office….

I seriously doubt that I will have the gumption to open up my own show, as I have turned that down many times before, I generally can make enough without the headaches and I am just fine with that.

I have served our country, my son is currently serving our country as a proud marine.

I really do not see whom will benefit me the most….

So really, who and why???

[whec720]

Who are we to tell you how and who to vote for? Besides, that's the main stream media's job, anyway.:D

[mrs reb77]

Why and how have you gotten to the age of 40 and never voted? :(

[Chris_Worthington]

Why and how have you gotten to the age of 40 and never voted? :(

I guess things are bit different when you have met a lot of these folks and their families,,, what you see on the TV and what you see in person are two totally different things...

Never been sure, Things are out of control now and it might make a difference this time??

[me75006]

Hopefully, one party will not end up in overwhelming control of all 3 branches of the gov. Take it from there.

[acmanko]

who you vote for is not as important as exercising your right to vote.

[uncle buck]

:eek: I am completely Convinced the Process of the Presidential Election
is a "SCAM" Despite Being a "UNION" member I consider myself a Conservative.

I voted For "MITT ROMNEY" in the Primary as did many people. I believe He was the best Choice. He should have Been Mccains choice for "V.P."

But The Peoples Vote does'nt count anyway it's all with

The "ELECTORAL-COLLEGE":(

[whec720]

Adults need to make their own decisions. Go with what you know and believe. Voting is easy and, IMO, your duty to yourself, family and country. See you at the polls.:)

[Chris_Worthington]

who you vote for is not as important as exercising your right to vote.

Well now this part I never got,,, enlighten me, I have an open mind,,,,

Would not choosing "not to" have the same affect??

It would seem I am not the only one in this believe...

[whec720]

Well now this part I never got,,, enlighten me, I have an open mind,,,,

Would not choosing "not to" have the same affect??

It would seem I am not the only one in this believe...

Move from DC to Saudi Arabia. See for yourself.

[k-fridge]

Well now this part I never got,,, enlighten me, I have an open mind,,,,

Would not choosing "not to" have the same affect??

It would seem I am not the only one in this believe...
Welcome to ARP Chris.

I'll give you a different spin on this. Congress is the cause of most of the mess we're in, not really the president. Would you prefer that ...

A) Congress have virtually unlimited power with a president who would likely sign all the legislation they spew out

-or-

B) Have a president of the opposition party that would provide at least some checks and balances to limit congress's agenda

[Chris_Worthington]

checks and balances :D

Well now that I agree with, makes smart business sense :D

I am not trying to be a smart azzz or anything of the sorts, I just see a lot of folks struggling, losing everything in a small town and consider myself fortunate enough to have other options, however a lot of these folks here that are losing everything do not.

Maybe I have been blind or something due to my primary location, meaning the Fed's always get paid and so does the folks that service them, but I did sorta like it here...

According to your example, I am to to vote for the opposition, correct??

The problem and its a big one with me, I have never stood behind someone or something I don't believe in 110%, ever!!

I just feel like I should vote/do something but honest to god I am totally undecided, so I figured I would ask....

[Pneuma]

Vote for Obama and socialized medicine. A month ago I learned my family is now facing a bill that will exceed my insurance by possibly 200K. Luckily I can work still and will either recover fom a bankruptcy or get a plan that allows me to pay it off over time, I'm not sure how this will play out. Some folks get bills like this in combination with a disability and cannot work it off. I know how sore people are with the word socialism, but really, our country is founded on community in fact that is the essence of Christianity which so many conservatives love to claim our country was founded on. That we love our nieghboir as we love ourselves is the primary Christian directive. Catastrophic medical bills should no more destroy an Americans life as a suicide bomber. We all agree to homeland security right, that we have a military is not socialism is it?

Even without my personal crisis, $5,000 for a medical plan, that won't buy crap! Then make it so the company can't expense it anymore? I mean how will Joe the plumber feel when he loses that tax right off, where is the liberal media with that angle? You'd figure they would have brought that up!

I'm sorry but it is time for socialized medicine, our system costs more and we don't live as long as many other countries in this world.

btw, I know BO does'nt say he wants to socialize medicine, but that will be the result if he opens the fed plan to individuals. Companies will drop coverage in a heart beat if they know the employees can just go sign up with the fed plan.

[acmanko]

Well now this part I never got,,, enlighten me, I have an open mind,,,,

Would not choosing "not to" have the same affect??

It would seem I am not the only one in this believe...

if you do not use your rights, they can be taken away.
you should also buy a firearm and learn how to use it to protect your rights.
go to church and thank God you live in a country that gives you rights.
protest whenever your rights are threatened.
just a few enlightened words

[whec720]

It's a good thing those rich dudes making over $250,000.00 are going to pay the tab for this socialized medicine. I make under that. Obama promised, if elected, guys like me won't see a tax increase. You're going to need some new heavy tax levees to finance this new gov't entitlement. Luckily, only the rich guys will get stuck with the cost.....:rolleyes:








"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
Dean Vernon Wormer

:D

[Chris_Worthington]

if you do not use your rights, they can be taken away.
you should also buy a firearm and learn how to use it to protect your rights.
go to church and thank God you live in a country that gives you rights.
protest whenever your rights are threatened.
just a few enlightened words

Well, I have enough stuff here to start a small war and arm everyone in my neighborhood, I am a god fearing man, but what does this have to do with how I vote??

[whec720]

Well, I have enough stuff here to start a small war and arm everyone in my neighborhood, I am a god fearing man, but what does this have to do with how I vote??

Ummm......aren't you the guy that does not vote or hasn't in the past?:confused:

[Chris_Worthington]

Ummm......aren't you the guy that does not vote or hasn't in the past?:confused:

Ummm, DUHHH....

point??

[Chris_Worthington]

I am fairly certain that I have thrown it all on the line here, the facts that is and am seeking a direction to go in, anyone with a better option then to arm myself and seek God??

Not quite the answer I was seeking, I am looking for the best candidate to vote for, In MY shoes and am asking for your help in my decision ;)

[whec720]

Ummm, DUHHH....

point??

Read what you posted earlier and, like deciding who you should vote for, figure it out.

[sline-dawg]

Chris... bro, It shouldn't matter if tinkerbell is the president...... not in your world. How many times do you think.....Damn I would be so much better off if......... was the president,... or my congressman......A bunch of worthless, self promoting a- holes........JMHO...:) :)


Go work, treat people like you want to be treated.....There's a few guidelines written in an old book somewhere.... might help...:cool: The rest of the story is a different story...:o

[mrs reb77]

Our country is founded upon the freedom to choose. It is only your loss if you do not take advantage of your privilege to vote. That being said, it is not too late as long as you have registered.

Go to the websites of the candidates (or your state's secretary of state website) and look at their stands, look at the issues, study them and then ask yourself who you feel more of a kinship with. Who, in your opinion, stands for more or less the same things as you feel in your own personal life.

If it's none of the above, look and see who is promising the most to the most people and vote against him. He's lying more than the other guy. ;)

[2cool4us]

I am fairly certain that I have thrown it all on the line here, the facts that is and am seeking a direction to go in, anyone with a better option then to arm myself and seek God??

Not quite the answer I was seeking, I am looking for the best candidate to vote for, In MY shoes and am asking for your help in my decision ;)Vote O.:rolleyes:

[model m-man]

Well, I have enough stuff here to start a small war and arm everyone in my neighborhood, I am a god fearing man, but what does this have to do with how I vote??

Everything!

The first thing I want to know about any candidate is their view on the 2nd Amendment. In my view it the one right that guarantee's all other's making it the most important right we have. In other word's, I woulden't vote for my own mother if she was running for office and opposed my right to bear arm's. The NRA (of which I'm a life member) does a very good job of tracking candidates at the state and national level. Visit their website and see which candidates oppose your right's.

It cost us NRA members million's during the Clinton years fighting Kennedy, Biden, Shumer and the rest of the Northern Democrat's that were trying to take away your arm's. That's the same bunch Obama has alighned himself with and by his own words he opposes your right to bear arm's. You have them now only because we of the NRA stood solidly against those who would seek to destroy our nation. If you own a gun, you should belong to the NRA and you should pay attention to their reccomendation's.

The next thing I want to know about a candidate is whether they are God fearing or just playing lip service. Action's speak louder than word's & it isn't hard to figure that one out.

Next is the absolute power factor. Absolute power corrupt's absolutely. That's a fact. There are four powerfull group's that control everything (including The Supreme Court) and if all are ultra liberal our Government will be out of control.

I voted McCain/Palin. How you vote is up to you.

[acmanko]

You mistake the advice I give. I for one could care little about who you vote for or if you vote at all. i'm glad you can arm a small army, but since you are undiceded, its likely to be a one man affair. Armies don't follow those who cannot lead. Get the point, if not , here it is in black and white. You decide whats best for you and if you can't., just bleet like a sheep, get in line and follow:D

[uncle buck]

:confused: Model "M" hear is a question about God-Fearing don't take this as a political endorsement.

"McCAIN" as God fearing He spent years in a prison camp yes that was horrific, The First Mrs Mccain stood by him I am sure it was an awfull nightmare for that poor woman as well as it was for Mr. Mccain.

and how was she rewarded She was handed Divorce Papers.
Did John Mccain Forget the part called "TILL DEATH DO YOU PART"
or did he feel "GOD" gave him a get out of Jail Free Card so he could
Marry a much younger Pretty woman "2nd" time around.

[mrs reb77]

Divorce happens every day. Are all people who've been divorced not allowed to be 'God fearing' any more?

[uncle buck]

It was'nt intended to state divorced people are not "GOD-FEARING" but if a candidate is going to attack his opponent on certain accusations or allegations he must be prepared for some zingers to come his way.

Once again I am not endorsing One candidate over the other I vote conservative. as I said in an earlier post I voted for Romney.
The Mccain supporters have made many Allegations Requarding Senator
Obama's loyalties, past affiliations "ETC" "ETC" "ETC"

Of course these ???? should be answered. and "MUST" be answered.
And neither candidate should recieve special treatment from the "MEDIA"

Reguardless of who the Democratic Candidate was.. If they were being attacked by their opponent.
Mccain is appeals to Religous Groups ok and the above mentioned ???
however it be "IN-APPROPRIATE" should be in the back of a persons mind
who places Religion as the top "PRIORITY"

[mrs reb77]

In his defense (I didn't vote for McCain or Romney!) I think John McCain came clean about his first marriage a long time ago. He admitted he wasn't a good person at that time, he didn't do right by his first wife and regrets it. Should he be castigated for it the rest of his life? I don't think so, maybe others do.
Regarding Senator Obama and the allegations we're seeing...well...it appears that he doesn't think he needs to or should have to answer them for the most part. Many times it has appeared that his actions don't follow suit to his words (Rev. Wright for one) and, frankly, subjects a great deal of what he says and promises to even more scrutiny.

I think all (or at the least MOST) politicians are liars. Some are just more adept and do it more often than others. I believe Senator Obama is a bigger liar than Senator McCain.

I voted Huckabee in the primary here in Missouri. I would have voted for Fred Thompson but he dropped out of the race the week before our primary elections. My parents both voted for Romney.
We will all be voting McCain next Tuesday.

[model m-man]

:confused: Model "M" hear is a question about God-Fearing don't take this as a political endorsement.

"McCAIN" as God fearing He spent years in a prison camp yes that was horrific, The First Mrs Mccain stood by him I am sure it was an awfull nightmare for that poor woman as well as it was for Mr. Mccain.

and how was she rewarded She was handed Divorce Papers.
Did John Mccain Forget the part called "TILL DEATH DO YOU PART"
or did he feel "GOD" gave him a get out of Jail Free Card so he could
Marry a much younger Pretty woman "2nd" time around.


Uncle Buck;
Did I say "God fearing" or did I say sinless? (and in whose view ?) There is a big difference. I am guilty of the first and not guilty of the second. "God fearing" is simply an awareness of the fact that you and I will stand before God one day and give an account of our action's & that God has the right to "knock you in the dirt" should you choose to not follow his rules. There are very real consequences for our action's (now and later) and a God fearing person know's this.

I do not agree with all of McCain's views or action's, but I do believe he fears God and know's he will answer to him one day. Right or wrong, his divorce is between him and God and is none of my buisness.

I also know that McCain support's The 2nd Amendment.

Freedom First, God fearing, and balance of power. That's what I look for when I vote.

[glennac]

who you vote for is not as important as exercising your right to vote.

BS. There are to many ignoramuses are voting. We should limit voting like it used to be to those who could at least read and write and understand what a simple test paragraph means. I had to take one when I first registered and that's the way it should be.:cool:

[crab master]

CW - interesting to read your post. I am not even 30 yet, but almost. I really want to tell you who to vote for but I also want to have you decide who is best and I must partially agree with the statement "Vote the lesser of the two evils." I personally already voted and I voted for the lesser of the two evils. Okay they may not be evil, but I voted for the individual I thought would be better for the country. Plain and simple the President is a figure head and what I find to be the most notable of the president is who they align themselves with. I once heard someone tell me "if you don't like what someone in office is doing and you didn't vote then you need to keep your mouth shut." Basically they are saying if I don't take a part then I also shouldn't be part of the comment committee. I have to say I really do wonder if my vote really even counts, but either way I hope it does and I will exercise my right to try my best to make things I do count.

Okay here is a fact - Obama stated that he would increase taxes on anyone making over $250,000. Then in another recorded speech he said anyone making over $200,000. Then his running mate Joe Biden stated anyone making over $150,000. This scares the hell out of me as when is this number going to stop? Okay here is myself, worked my way up through the ranks, lots of overtime, studying on my own time and then my wife applies herself and goes through nursing school and gets her RN license. We have a few kids and the only debt we have is her car and our house. I have a 401K and Roth IRA I've been contributing since I was 18. I've worked, I've saved, I've been responsible and we sacrificed things so we could both be where we are at now. Likely next year my wife and I will pull in over $150,000. Next year will be the first time my wife can work full time since getting her license - due to us moving. Now because we've worked and saved should what we've done be taken from us? INCOME TAX is WRONG. If I work harder I will have more taken from me and that takes away initiative. I personally know numerous individuals that have stated - I can't make anymore or my unemployment/welfare will go away, so I am not going to work any harder. Handouts just don't work for a society. I also know a few individuals that have been out of work for a long time and somehow right before/right when their unemployment ran out they found a job. People like it easy, and I too am guilty of that, but should we take away from those that work/have worked and been responsible to give to those that have not?

I don't like any canidates spending policies. We are going down as a nation if we do not get our debt situation under control. Other nations will own us.

Pneuma - I sympathize and partially empathize with your situation - my father passed away when I was young and he was the sole bread winner. If it were not for the assistance of both social security and friends/family we would've not survived that situation. I believe socialized medicine is wrong and that people will take advantage and abuse the situation. I don't have a problem with figuring out a health care system for kids and for families/individuals with catastrophic circumstances but to apply it across the board is just wrong. You cannot be a single ticket item voter to choose the best canidate.

The other thing is look who Obama has aligned himself with. Individuals that have brought down Fanny MAE and Freddy MAC, yet received huge bonuses while doing so. Look at how he distanced himself from his reverend when his decade plus old reverend no longer was "popular" by the public. I would've had more respect for Obama if he would have stood by the reverend than distancing himself when he became unpopular.

The more the government gives, the less its' people will work and the more its' people will demand.

Responsibility should be upon the individual and not the individuals government.

You need to look out for yourself and not plan on the government looking out for you.

[mrs reb77]

Golly! Bravo!

Where have you been hiding? :D

[RoBoTeq]

Unless you prefer the U.S. going Socialist and look forward to more dramatic class and racial seperation in the U.S., you'd best vote for McCain.

[crab master]

Oh and on the marriage thing - I don't care who gets divorced - it takes two to tango. It's seems most of the time the man gets the blame, however I've known some instances where the woman was to blame and others were both were to blame and yet others people were young and dumb and just made the wrong choices. "Let those without sin cast the first stone" kind of thing.

[crab master]

One more thing - I believe voting pays respect for those that have served and are serving our country.

CW - thank you for your service to our country. Tell your son I said "thank you" for his service. My dad was a Marine. I have not served my country except to do my best to be a responsible citizen, but I really appreciate the sacrifices you and your family have made. Also as a clarification my above stated belief is mine, I do not and will not hold that on you as you have served and paid your respects and currently are as well with your son serving. Thanks again.

[Chris_Worthington]

Thanks Crab :D

Its been a rather difficult choice to make, but Obama has gone out of his way to show his true colors and ever so shrinking promises :rolleyes:

It did sound promising at first, with a change that is (not crazy about Bush at all), but I am and the folks around here are looking for a bit more then words.

McCain makes me very nervous when it comes to his friendship with Phil Gram and the whole Enron thing, but overall I believe he is the lesser of the 2 evils.

McCain will get my vote on Tuesday :D

[crab master]

Glad to hear it. Your vote is important.

BTW - Since you decided, I actually like Palin best. Thought it was a stupid move at first to put her on the ticket, but then when I listen to her and read about her I think she is the most real candidate - minimal BS and means what she says.

Also just an FYI - you might see about voting early, I did just to avoid the lines. The next thing is you might also just get a voting sample before you vote so you can read on issues that you will likely be asked to vote on with regards to your area. In my part of the world they play word games on some of the stuff, especially when it comes to local taxes, tribal casino gambling and others. It has caught me and almost caught me more than once where I ended up voting the way I didn't want to.