Spreading the wealth

[k-fridge]

Not such a good idea when it's your wealth being spread around


http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/kcdcsc/redistribution.jpg?t=1225203058

[jpsmith1cm]

HAHAHAHA! That's the truth, too. He wants to spread OUR wealth around while keeping as much of it as possible for himself. Always the way that socialism and communism works.

[mrs reb77]

Definitely worth sharing! :D

[Roscoe]

I like it............;)

[ChristopherNJ]

Wealth has been spread from the top to the bottom for years now. Why then, were you not complaining about it then?

[jpsmith1cm]

Wealth has been spread from the top to the bottom for years now. Why then, were you not complaining about it then?

Are you referring to the current welfare system? The confiscatory tax rates? I complain about redistribution forced by government at every possible opportunity.

[mrs reb77]

'zactly! :D

Simply put, there's already too much 'income redistribution' and we certainly don't need an increase! Nor do we need to give even more of our tax dollars to those contributing NOTHING!

[Roscoe]

'zactly! :D

Simply put, there's already too much 'income redistribution' and we certainly don't need an increase! Nor do we need to give even more of our tax dollars to those contributing NOTHING!

ahhhh Right On........Mrs Reb


There is a downward spiral going on, Thanks to the left wing loonies, the Media and the fricken idiots in Holly wood, and college kids who's parents are idiot yuppies, sheeplel or lemmings..................

I don't think we can stop it................till we hit bottom.............;)

[jmac00]

ahhhh Right On........Mrs Reb


There is a downward spiral going on, Thanks to the left wing loonies, the Media and the fricken idiots in Holly wood, and college kids who's parents are idiot yuppies, sheeplel or lemmings..................

I don't think we can stop it................till we hit bottom.............;)

we might hit bottom Nov. 4th around 9:00pm (Eastern time) :eek:

[glennac]

we might hit bottom Nov. 4th around 9:00pm (Eastern time) :eek:

Nah, the bottom will fall out 6 months later when the commies get all their bills passed and have the Supreme Court stacked. No more border patrols keeping illegals out just them making sure "Americans" can't leave with money or gold. It all has to be confiscated to give to those who won't work for it.

[jpsmith1cm]

Exactly. Nov 4th would only be the beginning. If the Dems make the seats that they expect, Nov 4th will only be the beginning of the end of freedom in this country. Fairness Doctrine, increased taxes to pay for the huge wealth shifts.

[bigtime]

Ironic. Most guys on this forum probably get more from the gov than they give. And they still whine.

[Roscoe]

Ironic. Most guys on this forum probably get more from the gov than they give. And they still whine.

And ah hows that......please explain.........

[bigtime]

How much $ did you send the gov?

What did you get?

1/300,000,000 of the military budget. (your probably even now)
Roads.
Grandma and Grandpa get a check and healthcare.
You get taken care of if you "spaz out"
Your kids get to go to school for free.
College pretty much free.
Gov agencys making sure your food and drugs dont kill ya (priceless?)
...

[BigJon3475]

http://firstfriday.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/socialism_explained.jpg

[Roscoe]

http://firstfriday.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/socialism_explained.jpg

Damn that's good............;)

[mrs reb77]

How much $ did you send the gov?

What did you get?

1/300,000,000 of the military budget. (your probably even now)
Roads.
Grandma and Grandpa get a check and healthcare.
You get taken care of if you "spaz out"
Your kids get to go to school for free.
College pretty much free.
Gov agencys making sure your food and drugs dont kill ya (priceless?)
...

I live in Missouri, where do YOU live? My Grandmas and Grandpas are all dead (Bless their souls) but they all worked their entire lives and PAID SOCIAL SECURITY TAX, they also had savings and pension which they PAID INTO and paid their own healthcare costs. Not a one of them were welfare recipients. Nor are my parents at present! Mom is still working at 64, Dad's a farmer...and he's a bit older. Both have PAID INTO SOCIAL SECURITY their whole lives since they've both been productive citizens.
I pay taxes for the kids that go to school here. It's part of our PROPERTY TAX. I don't have kids, but I get to pay for the schools.
My brother is currently in College and has the loans and full time job to prove it. I paid off my loans, didn't have any 'supplemental' help either--where is it that college is free?

What a full load of b.s. I can smell the fragrance very clearly! :rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Oh, that's right, you're the sheep guy. I forgot for a moment. :eek:

[mrs reb77]

Where in the sam hill do the liberals think all the money for these "FREE" programs come from??????


Kids get to go to school for free. That's a good one. Get a clue.

College free...maybe if you're a minority...and I don't mean by gender. :rolleyes:

[JRINJAX]

How much $ did you send the gov?

What did you get?

1/300,000,000 of the military budget. (your probably even now)
Roads.
Grandma and Grandpa get a check and healthcare.
You get taken care of if you "spaz out"
Your kids get to go to school for free.
College pretty much free.
Gov agencys making sure your food and drugs dont kill ya (priceless?)
...


I pay an incredible amount of income tax.
I pay property tax.
I pay fuel taxes on my cars, motorcycles, jet ski, boat and aviation taxes when I fuel up at the FBO.
I pay sales taxes on everything I buy.
I pay registration taxes on all of my vehicles.
I pay taxes on my home phone.
I pay taxes on our cell phones.
I pay taxes on our internet connections.
I pay taxes on my professional Licenses.
I pay hidden taxes in everything I buy.


My kids' school [when they went to public] was more than paid for by my property/sales taxes. College was on me.

My parents and grandparents mostly died too young to collect SS/medicare.

Except for the Military, Law enforcement, and fire/rescue, I get no real useful government services at all.

I am a Payer, not a Taker....

[mrs reb77]

I'm kinda wondering how much tax a sheepherd pays at this point....if any....and where he thinks that goes. If it's being paid for with my tax dollars then it isn't FREE. Duh.

[bigtime]

I would bet the house that I pay more than you. And I also realize I get things back also.

[bigtime]

I live in Missouri, where do YOU live? My Grandmas and Grandpas are all dead (Bless their souls) but they all worked their entire lives and PAID SOCIAL SECURITY TAX, they also had savings and pension which they PAID INTO and paid their own healthcare costs. Not a one of them were welfare recipients. Nor are my parents at present! Mom is still working at 64, Dad's a farmer...and he's a bit older. Both have PAID INTO SOCIAL SECURITY their whole lives since they've both been productive citizens.
I pay taxes for the kids that go to school here. It's part of our PROPERTY TAX. I don't have kids, but I get to pay for the schools.
My brother is currently in College and has the loans and full time job to prove it. I paid off my loans, didn't have any 'supplemental' help either--where is it that college is free?

What a full load of b.s. I can smell the fragrance very clearly! :rolleyes:

Your college was most likely state supported. What that means is tax dollars paid for a portion of your education. Unless you went to a liberal arts type place?

[mrs reb77]

tax supported....? And where would those taxes come from??? (DUH!)

No, I attended a private business college and paid my way plus room and board. Worked 40+ hours a week in addition in order to afford it.

But, as I mentioned, even if it were tax supported--where you think those come from?

[ChristopherNJ]

Are you referring to the current welfare system? The confiscatory tax rates? I complain about redistribution forced by government at every possible opportunity.


Im referring to the rich have been getting richer, while the middle class is erroding....

In 1979 the top wage earners earned 9.4% more then the bottom 90%, this ratio has been the same since the end of WWII...

Fastforward to today and the ratio is now where the top 1/10 of wage earners earn a ratio of 70% higher then the bottom 90% (keep in mind most of us are the bottom 90% in case you forgot)

And contrary to 30 years worth of propaganda this redestribution of wealth hasnt been an inevitable product of the LAWS of economics. Rather its largely due to ploicy changes, changes in tax code, laws that distribute social power from the top to the bottom, in Americas trade relations. Weve seen weaker labor unions, deregulation of financial markets (what has the SEC been up to lately???)

Even Greenspan admited that his laissez faire policy wasnt the best idea.

In other words, supply side economics has not worked as planned bc all it did was increase the gap between the rich and the middle class.

[mrs reb77]

I would bet the house that I pay more than you. And I also realize I get things back also.

Keep on bettin. My husband and I are business owners. We know the word TAX. For sure. ;)

[ChristopherNJ]

Are you referring to the current welfare system? The confiscatory tax rates? I complain about redistribution forced by government at every possible opportunity.


Im referring to the rich have been getting richer, while the middle class is erroding....

In 1979 the top wage earners earned 9.4% more then the bottom 90%, this ratio has been the same since the end of WWII...

Fastforward to today and the ratio is now where the top 1/10 of wage earners earn a ratio of 70% higher then the bottom 90% (keep in mind most of us are the bottom 90% in case you forgot)

And contrary to 30 years worth of propaganda this redestribution of wealth hasnt been an inevitable product of the LAWS of economics. Rather its largely due to ploicy changes, changes in tax code, laws that distribute social power from the top to the bottom, in Americas trade relations. Weve seen weaker labor unions, deregulation of financial markets (what has the SEC been up to lately???)

Even Greenspan admited that his laissez faire policy wasnt the best idea.

In other words, supply side economics has not worked as planned bc all it did was increase the gap between the rich and the middle class.

My figures were cited from the Economic Policy Institute, with some info cited from Paul Campos a law professor at the University of Colorado.

[jpsmith1cm]

Im referring to the rich have been getting richer, while the middle class is erroding....

In 1979 the top wage earners earned 9.4% more then the bottom 90%, this ratio has been the same since the end of WWII...

Fastforward to today and the ratio is now where the top 1/10 of wage earners earn a ratio of 70% higher then the bottom 90% (keep in mind most of us are the bottom 90% in case you forgot)

And contrary to 30 years worth of propaganda this redestribution of wealth hasnt been an inevitable product of the LAWS of economics. Rather its largely due to ploicy changes, changes in tax code, laws that distribute social power from the top to the bottom, in Americas trade relations. Weve seen weaker labor unions, deregulation of financial markets (what has the SEC been up to lately???)

Even Greenspan admited that his laissez faire policy wasnt the best idea.

In other words, supply side economics has not worked as planned bc all it did was increase the gap between the rich and the middle class.

My figures were cited from the Economic Policy Institute, with some info cited from Paul Campos a law professor at the University of Colorado.

Silly liberal, rich people don't PAY taxes. They simply pass them on to the middle class. That's why I cringe every time I hear someone yak about the robin hood philosophy of take from the rich and give to the poor. By taking from the rich all you wind up doing is taking more from the poor in the form of higher priced. Tax the oil compabies and watch gas prices go up to compensate.

On one thing, we agree. Tax policy has created this mess. Taxes are too high and the money taken in on taxes is wasted on too many unnecessary programs. Cut the pork on BOTH sides of the aisle, then CUT MY TAXES!!!!!!!

The democrats have bought us 6 trillion dollars worth of poverty with their redistribution schemes already, and we are poised to give them free reign to do more of the same crap and reward even more people for not working hard and creating wealth. That's stupid and counter productive. Its a drain on the economy.

Redistribution, in its most liberal form will spread something, but not wealth. It will spread poverty as evenly as possible across the nation. Poverty and misery. Confiscatory tax rates, capital gains taxes, death tax. They will destroy small businesses and create evem more unemployment. Of course, that will require a government solution and even higer taxes. The cycle will go on and on and on until there are no businesses left to employ people.

[bootlen]

Dead center of the bull's eye, JP. I don't know why anybody who thinks that when taxes go up on the "rich", that they are the ones who pay them.

Sheer stupidity.

[JRINJAX]

Lib-in-nj,
The Rich to Poverty ratio has widened due to LBJs Great Society" paying minority families to have kids with no "Functioning" parents. The disease has now spread into non-minority families.

You mistakenly assumed the wealthy got richer [most Liberals do] instead of the bottom groups expanding.

The second result of the punishing tax rates is that the "educated-functioning" families had to have both Husband and Wife [unless in California, Husband and Husband] working to provide the same standard of living my Parents provided me with just my Father working.

This two-earner work ethic makes the top groups look even richer, while the bottom groups wait for their multi-million lottery payoff or NBA/NFL contract.

BTW There was a study of convicted Felons in the Florida Prisons recently, that found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans over 2 to 1....

[bootlen]

Exactly, JR. The poor in this nation are a creation of liberals who have enslaved the lazy through handouts.

[wallynut]

I would bet the house that I pay more than you. And I also realize I get things back also.

You would bet the mobile home

[texas cooler]

I have not problem with the "rich" since someday I hope to be one...thru hard work, spending my earnings wisely, investments and not by receiving govt' handouts.

The truly rich, including the elitist liberals, have many tax loopholes and offshore accounts and probably pay their CPA's more than most on this forum make. All these people want is to take my hard earned income and spend it on their pet projects, yet I never see or hear that they are making do with less.

[JRINJAX]

I have not problem with the "rich" since someday I hope to be one...thru hard work, spending my earnings wisely, investments and not by receiving govt' handouts.

The truly rich, including the elitist liberals, have many tax loopholes and offshore accounts and probably pay their CPA's more than most on this forum make. All these people want is to take my hard earned income and spend it on their pet projects, yet I never see or hear that they are making do with less.

I had a Friend [recently deceased] that lived on Grand Cayman Island and she worked for one of the "Offshore Banks".
She said it was amazing, the amount of security that went into protecting the "Depositor's" [crooks] information.

[jmac00]

I had a Friend [recently deceased] that lived on Grand Cayman Island and she worked for one of the "Offshore Banks".
She said it was amazing, the amount of security that went into protecting the "Depositor's" [crooks] information.


thats kind of a ignorant statement, what if you won the lottery and you opened an account in the Caymans? Yes I would move the money off shore to avoid A LOT of tax liability, but would that make you a criminal??

I'm sure there's a lot of "laundered" money in off shore accounts, but to make a blank statement like that isn't right.:confused:

[bootlen]

I have not problem with the "rich" since someday I hope to be one...thru hard work, spending my earnings wisely, investments and not by receiving govt' handouts.

The truly rich, including the elitist liberals, have many tax loopholes and offshore accounts and probably pay their CPA's more than most on this forum make. All these people want is to take my hard earned income and spend it on their pet projects, yet I never see or hear that they are making do with less.

I've tried and tried but cannot think of one single solitary poor person who ever offered anyone else a job.

[JRINJAX]

thats kind of a ignorant statement, what if you won the lottery and you opened an account in the Caymans? Yes I would move the money off shore to avoid A LOT of tax liability, but would that make you a criminal??

I'm sure there's a lot of "laundered" money in off shore accounts, but to make a blank statement like that isn't right.:confused:
She was the one who told me they were crooks and she would know from their records...

[texas cooler]

I've tried and tried but cannot think of one single solitary poor person who ever offered anyone else a job.

Everyone I've worked for seemed financially comfortable...and everyone of them put in at least 12 hours per day working both in and on their business. One day when a couple of the installers called in sick from too much weekend partying, the owner ( 6'3" and 300#) came out to the jobsite and helped us hang and insulate metal ductwork. He was right there next to us and actually was a pretty good sheetmetal man.

I don't mind contributing my fair share but cringe when I see how so much of my hard labor is pissed away for pet projects and socio-economic engineering, especially when those who are directing where to spend my money are not willing to sacrifice any of theirs.

[acmanko]

Besides cutting interest rates, the Fed announced it was extending credit lines worth $30 billion each to the central banks of Brazil, Mexico, South Korea and Singapore in an effort to bolster financial markets in those countries and relieve investors' anxieties.

For you mathematically challenged thats 120 billion of your money going overseas.

[k-fridge]

Besides cutting interest rates, the Fed announced it was extending credit lines worth $30 billion each to the central banks of Brazil, Mexico, South Korea and Singapore in an effort to bolster financial markets in those countries and relieve investors' anxieties.

For you mathematically challenged thats 120 billion of your money going overseas.

So when did the fed become either Republican or Democrat?

[acmanko]

So when did the fed become either Republican or Democrat? when a republican or democrat appoints the feds chairman

[k-fridge]

when a republican or democrat appoints the feds chairman
BS. Some, like Alan Greenspan, serve with both Republican and Democratic administrations and are independent of them.

[HVAC Teacher]

What's the incentive to earn a little extra to get ahead?

I did a compressor job at a welfare office this summer. There were 20 -30 year olds waiting for their checks.

It sickens me when I see a third comming off my paycheck!

[JRINJAX]

What's the incentive to earn a little extra to get ahead?

I did a compressor job at a welfare office this summer. There were 20 -30 year olds waiting for their checks.

It sickens me when I see a third comming off my paycheck!
We used to maintain a large Welfare Office too and our Appretice would be tasked to only watch our truck [below] to keep it safe. The RTUs always had bullet holes in them. They finally closed it due to the danger to their employees.

The "Recipients" cut the coils out of the large RTUs the night after the site closed.

[texas cooler]

I did a compressor job at a welfare office this summer. There were 20 -30 year olds waiting for their checks.

Working on a large project in S. Dallas last year. Traffic was normally smooth. Driving to the job one day there was an extreme backup, thought there must be a big accident...no it was everybody waiting in line for their check. It was the first of the month. Saw lots of BMWs, caddies, Mercedes; people yakking on cell phones, cigarettes hanging out of their mouths, lots of gold jewelry and dental work.

As a society we are enabling these people to depend upon gov't to live and believe that anything they get they deserve.

I believe in helping people and there are services as a civilized society that should be provided but it chaps my behind that money flows from the gov't coffers like water thru a sieve with little regard for those who it was confiscated from.

[bluestone]

I've tried and tried but cannot think of one single solitary poor person who ever offered anyone else a job.

Yeah but BO is going to build this economy from the bottom up, lmao

[ChristopherNJ]

First off im not a liberal when it comes to tax issues. In fact im not speaking in political terms when talking about taxes. Im talking economic theroy. And the trust of the matter is trickle down or supply side has not worked. In fact on McCain own website the video pops up of him saying "the last 8 years have been tough" And he too realizes there has not been much growth. Besdies the housing bubble, Bushs trickle down policy has not done anything for this country.


I am in no way for supporting people who choose not to work, or abuse the system. In not in favor of welfare for people that should be working. But I do realizr the middle class gets the shaft on the trickle down tax system.

[bootlen]

The housing bubble is a direct result of an out of control group of Dem Congressmen. And we're about to turn the nation over to them!

[ChristopherNJ]

The housing bubble is a direct result of an out of control group of Dem Congressmen. And we're about to turn the nation over to them!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

If you honestly believe that to be the trust then you have a lot to learn about how Wall Street works. I do agree that a political party has alot ot do with with but the party im referring to is in favor of little to no regulation.

Many expers would agree the housing bubble was caused by:
Mania for home ownership - everyone wants to own a house
Belief that housing is a good investment
Promotion in the media
Speculative fever
Crash of the dot-com bubble - many people lost faith in stocks and invested in hard tangeable things
Historically low interest rates
Risky mortgage products and lax lending standards Wall Street found a way to make huge money off of this and fed into the DEMAND for homes by SUPPLYING fake money

[ChristopherNJ]

McCain on Larry King about spreading the wealth....

KING: Concerning spreading the wealth, isn't the graduated income tax spreading the wealth? If you and I paid more so that Jimmy can get some for him, or pay for a welfare recipient, that's spreading the wealth.

MCCAIN: Well, that's spreading the wealth in the respect that we do have a graduated income tax.



Now show me where McCain plans to do away with SPREADING THE WEALTH????

[ChristopherNJ]

JUST had this convo.

Me: as far as the socialist nation
Friend: thats what I believe
Me: well the governement now owns a part in all major investment firms
Me: and mortgage companies paid for by tax dollars
Friend: you believe differently
Me: what's not socialist about that?
Friend: it is
Friend: you agree with me?
Me: But you don't want them to help with our health care ? Something that will benefit people and our parents when they get older and sicker


Socialism is ok when it benefits the wealthy, if it helps middle class and poor then its unacceptable.

Welfare isnt ok unless its used to bailout airlines, banks or autos.

They want capitalism with a safety net.

[mrs reb77]

Whoa there fellow! You're becoming a bit hard to understand.

Maybe you should read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism.

How old are you? (not being a smarty butt, just curious)

[jpsmith1cm]

If you are supporting Obama, then you are a liberal, or worse. Simple as that.

Mccain is doing what he has to do to get elected. If that means throwing Bush under the bus, then so be it, but it isn't really justified. If the American people were really paying attention, that wouldn't be necessary.

Under Bush, things weren't so bad, until 2 years ago, when we, the people, voted in a Democrat led congress. At that point, things went to pot in a hurry. Less than 2 years later, we were staring at $4 a gallon gas prices because the Dems won't permit us to drill where the oil is. Housing market crashing because Dems forced banks to make loans to people who would never pay them back. The banks would never have done that if they were left alone.

If I'm not mistaken, the Democrats defended Fannie May and Freddie Mac until the very bitter end, even as Republicans called for investigations, the Dems stonewalled. They knew what was going on, just chose to look the other way because their pockets were well filled.

Everybody talks about how good things were under Clinton, but remember, Clinton had a Republican congress to keep his liberal agenda in check. If not, we would have had Hillary-care for sure and be paying higher taxes just to fund it.

[JRINJAX]

Liberal thinking is as deep as an image in a mirror.

They never consider their Socialist policy ends up with a "critcal mass" of people who are not willing to work/support their neighbor "who is lazier than them".

This type of Government always responds by printing money to pay all of the Citizens who are not willing to work.

Eventually it gets to another "critical mass" when no one [Goverment] is willing to work to print the money and the Citizens no longer want the money since it can't buy anyone to provide the services/goods they need/desire.

The Government eventually uses brute force/murder to force people to work.

Eventually even murder can't force people to work and the Government collapses.....

For those of the "moronic-minded" and need more simplification, this is exactly what caused the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Albert Einstein supposedly said: Insanity is doing exactly the same thing over and over and expecting a differnent result each time.

Liberals some how believe an Obama-socialist America will somehow end up different than the Soviet union. Einstein must have met some of today's Liberals.

[ChristopherNJ]

If you are supporting Obama, then you are a liberal, or worse. Simple as that.

Mccain is doing what he has to do to get elected. If that means throwing Bush under the bus, then so be it, but it isn't really justified. If the American people were really paying attention, that wouldn't be necessary.

Under Bush, things weren't so bad, until 2 years ago, when we, the people, voted in a Democrat led congress. At that point, things went to pot in a hurry. Less than 2 years later, we were staring at $4 a gallon gas prices because the Dems won't permit us to drill where the oil is. Housing market crashing because Dems forced banks to make loans to people who would never pay them back. The banks would never have done that if they were left alone.

If I'm not mistaken, the Democrats defended Fannie May and Freddie Mac until the very bitter end, even as Republicans called for investigations, the Dems stonewalled. They knew what was going on, just chose to look the other way because their pockets were well filled.

Everybody talks about how good things were under Clinton, but remember, Clinton had a Republican congress to keep his liberal agenda in check. If not, we would have had Hillary-care for sure and be paying higher taxes just to fund it.


If im not mistaken banks made alot of money lending out money. If you wanna play the blame game I blame the party that pushed for deregulation and free markets with no checks and balances. The party that wanted to end lending discrimination based on an area code is not to really to blame, they didnt approve the bad loans.

Clinton was good. Period. He was a moderate it had nothing to do with the republicans b/c he was able to get alot of great things done while he was in office. On the other hand I would love to see the republican party crushed this election. They lead us down 8 years of promoting Bushs horrible agenda.

People scream about liberals and socialists, which gets me nuts bc they sound exactly like they are repeating the same thing they hear Rush Hannity or Oriely speak about.

[mrs reb77]

Who are Rush Hannity and Oriey :confused:

[ChristopherNJ]

Liberal thinking is as deep as an image in a mirror.

They never consider their Socialist policy ends up with a "critcal mass" of people who are not willing to work/support their neighbor "who is lazier than them".

This type of Government always responds by printing money to pay all of the Citizens who are not willing to work.

Eventually it gets to another "critical mass" when no one [Goverment] is willing to work to print the money and the Citizens no longer want the money since it can't buy anyone to provide the services/goods they need/desire.

The Government eventually uses brute force/murder to force people to work.

Eventually even murder can't force people to work and the Government collapses.....

For those of the "moronic-minded" and need more simplification, this is exactly what caused the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Albert Einstein supposedly said: Insanity is doing exactly the same thing over and over and expecting a differnent result each time.

Liberals some how believe an Obama-socialist America will somehow end up different than the Soviet union. Einstein must have met some of today's Liberals.


People that think that this republican who is recycling the same trickle down theory on the economy and taxes (which didnt work then and still wont work) that things will get better. They think that democrates are to blame for the housing bubble, when in reality is was a complex problem, a problem that the IRS, FBI and SEC should be sorting out sending these criminals to jail! Not giving them bailouts.

A vote for a republican right now justifies all the crazy stuff theyve done. Such as, take us to war for no reason, give money to an already rich wall street, create the dept of homeland security, sit back and watch katrina unfold for 3 days before doing anything, ect.

[JRINJAX]

If im not mistaken banks made alot of money lending out money. If you wanna play the blame game I blame the party that pushed for deregulation and free markets with no checks and balances. The party that wanted to end lending discrimination based on an area code is not to really to blame, they didnt approve the bad loans.

Clinton was good. Period. He was a moderate it had nothing to do with the republicans b/c he was able to get alot of great things done while he was in office. On the other hand I would love to see the republican party crushed this election. They lead us down 8 years of promoting Bushs horrible agenda.

People scream about liberals and socialists, which gets me nuts bc they sound exactly like they are repeating the same thing they hear Rush Hannity or Oriely speak about.
The last eight years must have been terrible for you. They have been great for ALL of my Family and Friends.
Maybe you should try something different like working or using conservative guidelines in your life.
Maybe you join the rest of us in prosperity.....

[jpsmith1cm]

Banks can't make money if the loans default. That is the root cause of this problem. Those loans that the Dems forced on the banks, in the name of ending discrimination, were never paid back. Enough mortgages defaulted that it disrupted the financial markets, thus causing the financial problems we are having today.

The banks made the loans not because the borrowers had good credit or met any other criteria, but only because they belonged to the appropriate demographic because the Clinton Administration said that they had to or face discrimination charges. Not the right reason to loans money.

You will get what you deserve if you elect Obama.

[ChristopherNJ]

The last eight years must have been terrible for you. They have been great for ALL of my Family and Friends.
Maybe you should try something different like working or using conservative guidelines in your life.
Maybe you join the rest of us in prosperity.....


The last few years were great. Never been better. Anyone could have opened any construction type business and made bank.


But new construction work has dried up. Housing starts are down, commerical jobs are on hold. In other words the boom had nothing to do with anything Bush ever did. I feel if there was some sort of plan to help out the middle class, things stand a shot at improving. Continuing an expensive war and giving tax cuts to wealthy will not improve things.

[mrs reb77]

So...the middle class (whatever that is these days) will provide new jobs and work?

[ChristopherNJ]

So...the middle class (whatever that is these days) will provide new jobs and work?

Yes.


realized due to an increase in sales relative to the amount of benefits that are given to the poor. The trickle up effect argues itself as more effective than the trickle down effect because people who have less tend to buy more. In other words, the poor are more inclined than the wealthy to spend their money. This being so, proponents of the trickle up effect believe that if the lower and lower-middle classes are given benefits, such as tax breaks or subsidies, the increased funds would be spent at a much higher rate than would the upper class, given similar fund increases. Furthermore, the trickle up effect argues, many upper-class individuals do not spend their entire yearly salary to begin with, which is an indication that they will not spend any additional funds. Instead, they will save additional funds, thereby withholding those funds from the economy and increasing the gap between the rich and the poor. The trickle up effect avoids this pitfall by giving more money to those who would be more inclined to spend it.



I am personally for broad tax cuts across the board but with govenment as huge as it it, I doubt that will happen.

[JRINJAX]

Yes.


realized due to an increase in sales relative to the amount of benefits that are given to the poor. The trickle up effect argues itself as more effective than the trickle down effect because people who have less tend to buy more. In other words, the poor are more inclined than the wealthy to spend their money. This being so, proponents of the trickle up effect believe that if the lower and lower-middle classes are given benefits, such as tax breaks or subsidies, the increased funds would be spent at a much higher rate than would the upper class, given similar fund increases. Furthermore, the trickle up effect argues, many upper-class individuals do not spend their entire yearly salary to begin with, which is an indication that they will not spend any additional funds. Instead, they will save additional funds, thereby withholding those funds from the economy and increasing the gap between the rich and the poor. The trickle up effect avoids this pitfall by giving more money to those who would be more inclined to spend it.



I am personally for broad tax cuts across the board but with govenment as huge as it it, I doubt that will happen.
Liberals must have their own planet where reality never dawns....Trickle up is like pushing a chain...

[ChristopherNJ]

Liberals must have their own planet where reality never dawns....



You have made a very compelling arguement. When all else fails just call the person a liberal.

[mrs reb77]

Not to be a downer but, if you give a drug addict a government check, he's gonna cash it and buy drugs. That may help out the drug dealer but no one else. Or, does that then mean the drug dealer can afford more bling, a bigger car, a new McMansion, big screens, pools etc. with his illegal money? Or, does creating a new business that can employee people who in turn will earn money, pay taxes, spend money and help the economy make more sense?

With the credit card crisis that many middle/low income (if they even could get credit cards) people are now facing, stimulus checks to them are going to intangibles--credit cards! That already purchased something and now must be paid. That didn't help the economy, it helped credit card companies. If there are no jobs created for the middle/low income they will not spend either. They will hang onto the money and use it when necessary because without the job (and a steady income) they won't get any more until the next government check. If it's a 'refundable tax credit' check that would be once a year.

How many jobs are created by people renting an apartment as opposed to people building new homes? I'd rather see a large employer start up a new venture in our town than to have each person get $500.00 a year from the government.

[JRINJAX]

You have made a very compelling arguement. When all else fails just call the person a liberal.
Somehow you left out my synopsis that trickle up economics was as possible as pushing a chain. Pay attention to details, they are important!

[mrs reb77]

You have made a very compelling arguement. When all else fails just call the person a liberal.

But, if you subscribe to liberal policies and theories what else are you?

[jpsmith1cm]

But, if you subscribe to liberal policies and theories what else are you?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then I call it a duck. This bottom up philosophy has never worked and it will never work. Like most good fiction, it is partly based in fact. Middle class families do tend to spend more of their money as a percentage. That's why they need tax breaks, which, by the way, Obama is lying about. However, the upper class are the ones who create jobs, and creating jobs is the only way out of this economic mess. Take the brakes off of the economy and let it roll.

Never had a poor man sign my paycheck.

[ChristopherNJ]

Not to be a downer but, if you give a drug addict a government check, he's gonna cash it and buy drugs. That may help out the drug dealer but no one else. Or, does that then mean the drug dealer can afford more bling, a bigger car, a new McMansion, big screens, pools etc. with his illegal money? Or, does creating a new business that can employee people who in turn will earn money, pay taxes, spend money and help the economy make more sense?

With the credit card crisis that many middle/low income (if they even could get credit cards) people are now facing, stimulus checks to them are going to intangibles--credit cards! That already purchased something and now must be paid. That didn't help the economy, it helped credit card companies. If there are no jobs created for the middle/low income they will not spend either. They will hang onto the money and use it when necessary because without the job (and a steady income) they won't get any more until the next government check. If it's a 'refundable tax credit' check that would be once a year.

How many jobs are created by people renting an apartment as opposed to people building new homes? I'd rather see a large employer start up a new venture in our town than to have each person get $500.00 a year from the government.


Why do you assume that the only people that benifit are drug users and dealers?

What about a family that could use the tax break to buy a new car? A new HVAC system even? Why do you assume that the "rich" will spend the money? Why do you assume that investors will not invest at 35% capital gains but will invest at 15%?

[acmanko]

lets if I get It right. continue to give business ,both large and small their tax breaks. They can then continue to send jobs overseas or pay less than a living wage, especially in rural America where the tax entitled small business owners live in palatial residences while their workers live in mobile homes. Yep, trickle down has its benifits.

[mrs reb77]

Why do you assume that the only people that benifit are drug users and dealers?

What about a family that could use the tax break to buy a new car? A new HVAC system even? Why do you assume that the "rich" will spend the money? Why do you assume that investors will not invest at 35% capital gains but will invest at 15%?

You're the one assuming ONLY, not me. So, you're expecting tax breaks big enough for new cars or HVAC systems??? :eek:

(20% difference is fairly large when you think about large sums of money too)

Acmanko, do you think that raising taxes on those businesses will increase jobs and bring down any prices?

(here's a hint, if you're 'thinking' that then you aren't 'thinking')

[acmanko]

No Mrs reb I'm not thinking. I saying the time for Business to get special tax breaks is over. Small Business has been given their cake and they didn't drop enough crumbs on the floor. large corporations not only took the cake but shipped it overseas. now its time for them to grovel:D

[mrs reb77]

I'm a small business owner, what exactly have I not done right and what exactly has been 'given' to me? :confused:

Do you think prohibitively taxing corporations will make them KEEP their businesses in this country? I'm part of our local Economic Development committee and we try to entice business to town, not run them out on a rail.

[glennac]

No Mrs reb I'm not thinking. I saying the time for Business to get special tax breaks is over. Small Business has been given their cake and they didn't drop enough crumbs on the floor. large corporations not only took the cake but shipped it overseas. now its time for them to grovel:D

Ace, it sounds like you got your education from the Karl Marx Academy of Socialist/ Communist Studies. Obviously a good student just learned the wrong lessons.:D:)

[acmanko]

I'm a small business owner, what exactly have I not done right and what exactly has been 'given' to me? :confused:

Do you think prohibitively taxing corporations will make them KEEP their businesses in this country? I'm part of our local Economic Development committee and we try to entice business to town, not run them out on a rail.
Those Economic Developement sites are strew all over the landscape. I believe you identified why they don't work

[jpsmith1cm]

Those Economic Developement sites are strew all over the landscape. I believe you identified why they don't work

Here we are full circle again. A living wage would be lower if the government would get the heck out of my life. Cut my taxes, cut the taxes on the products that I buy. Wages have to be artificially inflated by the government to compensate for all the crap that the government pushes on us.

Jobs should be paid according to the skills and knowledge required to do them. If you pick up garbage cans for a living, while I deeply appreciate that job, it's not worth 65k a year. (Please note I'm just making up numbers here). When a doctor studies for years and years, he should be able to make a wage matching his superior education level.

When the government raised minimum wage, unemployment jumped. Coincidence? I doubt it.

[mrs reb77]

Agree with you jpsmith.

We're a small town and it's not easy keeping commerce in town. Our economic development committee strives to work with business and industry meeting their needs before something happens out of the blue so to say.

Thanks for belittling our efforts you know nothing about acmanko. You don't know how much your opinion means to me. ;)

[acmanko]

Agree with you jpsmith.

We're a small town and it's not easy keeping commerce in town. Our economic development committee strives to work with business and industry meeting their needs before something happens out of the blue so to say.

Thanks for belittling our efforts you know nothing about acmanko. You don't know how much your opinion means to me. ;)
The only way to get ED money is if you don't need it. How many Business have you attracted. Like I sa, I've seen them from Forney all the way to Iuka,Miss, and they are usually little more than a sign proclaiming it exists. try something new.

[mrs reb77]

Shows what you know. We aren't only trying to 'attract' business but to develop our economy hence the name, economic development and it's working quite well at present. We're redeveloping our downtown sector, created an industrial sector and are moving our town forward.
We're a small town with some dedicated people working together. Maybe y'all don't know that where you're from.

[RoBoTeq]

I can't wait for all of the wealthy entertainers who are supporting Obama to spread their wealth in their specific fields. Those actors making millions per movie should be more then happy to cut back to $100,000 a pop so that the lesser actors and all of the others involved in making the movie can live better.

Musicians should be happy with a couple of grand per performance so that all of those who set up the stage, carried the gear and drove the buses can have a more fair share.

Yep, under Obama, life is going to be great. I am looking forward to my boss giving me a share of his pay the week after the election.

[BigJon3475]

Us poor folks should have a welfare party with the first check....you know to break the new new new deal in.

[wallynut]

This is what our liberal friends want.

Let government take over all business and pay everyone $100,000 a year.

Everything would be wonderfull

[RoBoTeq]

This is what our liberal friends want.

Let government take over all business and pay everyone $100,000 a year.

Everything would be wonderfull
And this would be the general conceptial promise of every Communist government that has taken away most rights of citizens in the failed attempt to reach this lofty goal.

[trane]

Yes.


realized due to an increase in sales relative to the amount of benefits that are given to the poor. The trickle up effect argues itself as more effective than the trickle down effect because people who have less tend to buy more. In other words, the poor are more inclined than the wealthy to spend their money. This being so, proponents of the trickle up effect believe that if the lower and lower-middle classes are given benefits, such as tax breaks or subsidies, the increased funds would be spent at a much higher rate than would the upper class, given similar fund increases. Furthermore, the trickle up effect argues, many upper-class individuals do not spend their entire yearly salary to begin with, which is an indication that they will not spend any additional funds. Instead, they will save additional funds, thereby withholding those funds from the economy and increasing the gap between the rich and the poor. The trickle up effect avoids this pitfall by giving more money to those who would be more inclined to spend it.



I am personally for broad tax cuts across the board but with govenment as huge as it it, I doubt that will happen.


A child had been out on Halloween going from house to house for 3 hours until he could walk no longer. When he got home his father asked him how he had done and the child showed him his plastic pumpkin that was almost full of candy. His older brother who had decided it wasn't worth the trouble to get a costume and walk from house to house was looking as if he regretted his decision not to go. Their father seeing this and wanting everyone to be happy told them to split the candy between them.

The younger boy was not happy about sharing his candy but had no choice. He could survive with half of it and would just have to make it last longer but would remember this next Halloween for sure.

The older brother was thrilled he got candy with no effort and is sure to remember it next Halloween. The decision on getting a costume and going house to house will be much easier in the future. He ate all of his candy in less than a week and then was asking his brother if he would share some more.

Its hard to really appreciate something you didn't work for. If you expect it to be given to you then why even bother trying to get it for yourself?

[acmanko]

well, for one thing you should not use an older brother for and example . as with todays younger generation, most were not even a tinkle in their fathers spine and the older generation was working.

[wallynut]

well, for one thing you should not use an older brother for and example . as with todays younger generation, most were not even a tinkle in their fathers spine and the older generation was working.

You know all the answers, give us your analogy.

[RoBoTeq]

well, for one thing you should not use an older brother for and example . as with todays younger generation, most were not even a tinkle in their fathers spine and the older generation was working.
One brother was 6 and the older brother was 7.......for crying out loud:cool:

[acmanko]

You know all the answers, give us your analogy. older brothe sat in amazement when his parents brought home the new baby. just as he worked up the courage to look at the new wonderment, baby brother dirtied his diaper. big brother thought, what smelly little creature and proceed to rub the diaper in babies face, thinking if it came out it must go back in, however, mommy stopped him and said "thats your brother, watch over him"

[jpsmith1cm]

older brothe sat in amazement when his parents brought home the new baby. just as he worked up the courage to look at the new wonderment, baby brother dirtied his diaper. big brother thought, what smelly little creature and proceed to rub the diaper in babies face, thinking if it came out it must go back in, however, mommy stopped him and said "thats your brother, watch over him"

That makes no sense at all.

Here's one for you:

I don't have money for lunch today. Since you have a couple of extra dollars, the BOSS sticks a gun in your face, takes your extra money, since obviously, you have more than you need, and gives me that money for lunch.

There is the analogy of spreading the wealth in a nutshell.

Tomorrow, you will be certain to have exactly the amount of money that you need and not a penny more to avoid the armed heist to feed me. I, on the other hand have learned that if I do nothing, the boss will make sure I have lunch, so I'm not going to bother bringing any money.

Socialism in a nutshell. Destroy personal initiative and reward laziness.

Put bluntly, starvation, or the threat thereof, is a powerful motivator. If people start to realize that if they don't work, they don't eat, then this country will shape up in a real hurry.

[acmanko]

If you don't have money for lunch, i'll just make you an extra sandwich

[wallynut]

If you don't have money for lunch, i'll just make you an extra sandwich



With your neighbors bread and meat



Liberal fools

[Roscoe]

If you don't have money for lunch, i'll just make you an extra sandwich


Where do you live so if this socialist bastard wins and somebodies business hits the skids, and they lay off their employees, they can all come share your sheeit.


gimmee a brake.............

[jpsmith1cm]

While I believe that your heart is in the right place, you are sidestepping the obvious.

When government steps in, you will not have the option of "making me a sandwich". The government sets the rules and takes what I want from you.

While it seems like a good option, ultimately, it destroys society.

[acmanko]

Where do you live so if this socialist bastard wins and somebodies business hits the skids, and they lay off their employees, they can all come share your sheeit.


gimmee a brake.............common roscoe, I've got a place for you:D

[RoBoTeq]

common roscoe, I've got a place for you:D
Watch it roscoe, we have suspected mancow of being a cyberpredator for some time now:eek:

[k-fridge]

common roscoe, I've got a place for you:D

Did you just call Roscoe "common" :eek:


:D

[acmanko]

Did you just call Roscoe "common" :eek:


:DThats latin for fool:D

[RoBoTeq]

Thats latin for fool:D
No it's not; acmanko is:p

[Roscoe]

common roscoe, I've got a place for you:D

Come on...........:rolleyes:
Go fornicate yourself in forney texas there mancow.......:D

[k-fridge]

Come on...........:rolleyes:
Go fornicate yourself in forney texas there mancow.......:D
I suspect he already does that. :D:p:D:p

[sysint]

I don't mind spreading the wealth. Can we start with Nancy Pelosi's and then John Kerry? That ought to take care of hundreds of people alone.

We can make it a field test. I'm sure Nancy is all for it.

[k-fridge]

I don't mind spreading the wealth. Can we start with Nancy Pelosi's and then John Kerry? That ought to take care of hundreds of people alone.

We can make it a field test. I'm sure Nancy is all for it.
I'd just like to have what she spends on Botox

[Roscoe]

I'd just like to have what she spends on Botox


Heh Nancy Botox yeah and it still doesn't help that ugly btch......I think her ugliness is internal.........;)

[acmanko]

Come on...........:rolleyes:
Go fornicate yourself in forney texas there mancow.......:D come on down, I've got work for you and it'll only cost you 65% of what you make.

[Roscoe]

come on down, I've got work for you and it'll only cost you 65% of what you make.

Heh..... you couldn't afford me. We actually work for what we get, and give you what you paid for............then again we're conservative Republicans, not freeloading gis me somptin cause ah's be deserv'en dumbocrats........

[acmanko]

Heh..... you couldn't afford me. We actually work for what we get, and give you what you paid for............then again we're conservative Republicans, not freeloading gis me somptin cause ah's be deserv'en dumbocrats........
I doubt you make 35% of what you bill, but I'll increase it to 37% just for you.:D

[Roscoe]

I doubt you make 35% of what you bill, but I'll increase it to 37% just for you.:D


heh................heh......ya socialist basturd.......:D

[acmanko]

Ok, you want to bargain, I'll give you 50% of what you make, then not only will you be able to work here, you'll be able to buy a house also, one made of brick, not hauled in by a truck.:D

[Roscoe]

Ok, you want to bargain, I'll give you 50% of what you make, then not only will you be able to work here, you'll be able to buy a house also, one made of brick, not hauled in by a truck.:D

Cool OK yer on..........we do 1.5.;)... put up er shutup ya fornicator ....:D

I'll move to Brownsville and ya can send me checks.


I could live in a double wide by the sea, but my house would be twice as big as yours then....:p .........what would the rest of your mushroom pickers that share your trailer........:D

[k-fridge]

You could live in a van down by the river

[Roscoe]

....? .yeah or in a homeless shelter ..or under a bridge .

hey free eats, shopping carts, yer own dumpsters er...ah turf...:p...... and really low overhead.............

.like the rest of the democrats..........;)

[acmanko]

the gate is open, just show up:)