McCain says I will Veto any bill......

[smokin68]

that comes across my desk as president if they have pork attached to them.
In the meantime, he votes for a bailout with more than 150 billion $$$ in pork attached to it. Which stance is it John? Wishy-Washy.

http://blog.luciolepress.com/2008/10/02/mccain-who-insists-he-would-veto-any-pork-barrel-bills-to-come-across-his-desk-as-president-is-struggling-to-explain-his-vote-for-the-revised-financial-bailout-plan-that-contained-a.aspx

[bootlen]

The bailout was pork.

[Skip 2 my lou]

Obama is the only reason I'm voting for McCain. Plenty of other people out there feel exactly the same way I'm sure. He's not much, but "he's all we got."

[ChristopherNJ]

That is bc McCain is a liar. Just like we could not trust Bush, you cant trust this guy either.


This guy wants to cripple the middle class people trying to tax their health care benefits. Hes a real maverick alright.

[uncle buck]

TAX HEALTH CARE !! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

"W.T.F." is he thinking ????
Also "WHY" does MCCAIN HATE THE "MIDDLE-CLASS":confused:

[k-fridge]

Unfortunately a lot of congress people voted for it even though they opposed many parts of it. They thought it was necessary, I'm not sure I agree.

[ChristopherNJ]

TAX HEALTH CARE !! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

"W.T.F." is he thinking ????
Also "WHY" does MCCAIN HATE THE "MIDDLE-CLASS":confused:

The reality is that the McCain healthcare plan is a privatization plan. Currently, employers receive a tax credit for offering health insurance, but McCain wants to eliminate that credit, so that employers stop offering health insurance, and people have to buy their own. Not only would you have to purchase your own insurance, but you would have to pay taxes on the premiums. This is McCain’s idea of healthcare reform.

McCain’s plan would actually lead to more people losing their health insurance. His plan does offer a tax credit, which people qualify for after they buy the policy. If you can’t afford the policy, you don’t get the tax credit, which means that millions more Americans would have no health insurance. These are the types of issues that Obama needs to hit home everyday to expose the real John McCain, not the guy who is hiding behind Sarah Palin.

[k-fridge]

The reality is that the McCain healthcare plan is a privatization plan. Currently, employers receive a tax credit for offering health insurance, but McCain wants to eliminate that credit, so that employers stop offering health insurance, and people have to buy their own. Not only would you have to purchase your own insurance, but you would have to pay taxes on the premiums. This is McCain’s idea of healthcare reform.

McCain’s plan would actually lead to more people losing their health insurance. His plan does offer a tax credit, which people qualify for after they buy the policy. If you can’t afford the policy, you don’t get the tax credit, which means that millions more Americans would have no health insurance. These are the types of issues that Obama needs to hit home everyday to expose the real John McCain, not the guy who is hiding behind Sarah Palin.
Then why do more people have auto insurance than health insurance?

Me thinks you're reading Democratic propaganda.

[uncle buck]

Plain and simple the sad fact is

McCain hates "ORGANIZED-LABOR"
McCain hates "THE-MIDDLE-CLASS"
where is the proof that disputes otherwise ????:(

[ga-hvac-tech]

The reality is that the McCain healthcare plan is a privatization plan. Currently, employers receive a tax credit for offering health insurance, but McCain wants to eliminate that credit, so that employers stop offering health insurance, and people have to buy their own. Not only would you have to purchase your own insurance, but you would have to pay taxes on the premiums. This is McCain’s idea of healthcare reform.

McCain’s plan would actually lead to more people losing their health insurance. His plan does offer a tax credit, which people qualify for after they buy the policy. If you can’t afford the policy, you don’t get the tax credit, which means that millions more Americans would have no health insurance. These are the types of issues that Obama needs to hit home everyday to expose the real John McCain, not the guy who is hiding behind Sarah Palin.

Health care is not a 'right'... at least not so far... And I honestly do not understand the reasoning that says it should be.

What McCain is trying to do IMO is to make the individual decide BEFORE they just go to the doctor and spend endless $$$ for a procedure.

Think about this with me for a minute: IF I knew that being wasteful with claims against my medical policy would result in higher premiums, would I possibly figure out a cheaper way to take care of myself? Well DUH...

IMO healthcare is out of control because we see it as a freebee. If there was some financial pain associated with making foolish decisions about what and how much care to get, I suspect the system would get the message and provide a more thrifty product.

[k-fridge]

Plain and simple the sad fact is

McCain hates "ORGANIZED-LABOR"
McCain hates "THE-MIDDLE-CLASS"
where is the proof that disputes otherwise ????:(

Typically, the person who make a charge has the burden of proving it.

That would be you. ;)

[BamaCool]

Not only would you have to purchase your own insurance, but you would have to pay taxes on the premiums.

Where in the hell did you come up with that nonsense? Pay taxes on money you SPENT? He never proposed anything like that.:confused:
His plan is to make health insurance available AND affordable to people like ME, that work for themselves and is not covered under a company's plan.

[zzonko]

Where in the hell did you come up with that nonsense? Pay taxes on money you SPENT? He never proposed anything like that.:confused:
His plan is to make health insurance available AND affordable to people like ME, that work for themselves and is not covered under a company's plan.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/health_care_spin.html


Read all about both above...they both have pinochio noses, no one can figure out who fibs more:(

[skwsproul]

That is bc McCain is a liar. Just like we could not trust Bush, you cant trust this guy either.


This guy wants to cripple the middle class people trying to tax their health care benefits. Hes a real maverick alright.

I guess you like the BO commercial about him voting 90% with bush and saying he not giving tax breaks to middle class like bush. What are the 10% that he did not vote with him?

I guess I forgot that I have gotten tax relief every year under bush and 3 times I have received a check. Man I sure hope they hate on me some more I could use the money christmas is coming.

[ChristopherNJ]

Then why do more people have auto insurance than health insurance?

Me thinks you're reading Democratic propaganda.

Where are you going with this one?


B/c to compare auto insurance to heathcare insurance is, well, insane.

[ChristopherNJ]

Health care is not a 'right'... at least not so far... And I honestly do not understand the reasoning that says it should be.

What McCain is trying to do IMO is to make the individual decide BEFORE they just go to the doctor and spend endless $$$ for a procedure.

Think about this with me for a minute: IF I knew that being wasteful with claims against my medical policy would result in higher premiums, would I possibly figure out a cheaper way to take care of myself? Well DUH...

IMO healthcare is out of control because we see it as a freebee. If there was some financial pain associated with making foolish decisions about what and how much care to get, I suspect the system would get the message and provide a more thrifty product.



So in other words, sick people should be punished.

Or in other words McCain has diagonosed millions of people with Munchausen syndrome.

[classical]

The reality is that the McCain healthcare plan is a privatization plan. Currently, employers receive a tax credit for offering health insurance, but McCain wants to eliminate that credit, so that employers stop offering health insurance, and people have to buy their own. Not only would you have to purchase your own insurance, but you would have to pay taxes on the premiums. This is McCain’s idea of healthcare reform.

McCain’s plan would actually lead to more people losing their health insurance. His plan does offer a tax credit, which people qualify for after they buy the policy. If you can’t afford the policy, you don’t get the tax credit, which means that millions more Americans would have no health insurance. These are the types of issues that Obama needs to hit home everyday to expose the real John McCain, not the guy who is hiding behind Sarah Palin.


You might try reading a little insted of just listening to the media propaganda.

This link goes to a third party asessment of both plans: http://www.hsinetwork.com/

The jist is both plans are costly but Obama’s is 40% higher than McCain’s and only insures about 2.2 million more. When adjust for growth and escalating cost BHO's plan will cost 6 Trillion over 10 years. BHO's plan appears to have a greater net loss of insured by business than McCain’s.

BHO's plan also will end up costing the consumer as much a 247B per year in past along cost due to the mandated coverage provision. If BHO's plan goes into effect, trades and other businesses will stop having employees and sub-contracting will become the norm.

[k-fridge]

Where are you going with this one?

Auto insurance is private, and virtually all drivers have it. And they get it without help from the government or their employers.



B/c to compare auto insurance to heathcare insurance is, well, insane.

Why? I get my health and suto insurance from the same agent. Insurance is insurance.

[ChristopherNJ]

Auto insurance is private, and virtually all drivers have it. And they get it without help from the government or their employers.




Why? I get my health and suto insurance from the same agent. Insurance is insurance.



The cost of the 2 are not compareable.

[ga-hvac-tech]

So in other words, sick people should be punished.

Or in other words McCain has diagonosed millions of people with Munchausen syndrome.

No, sick folks should not be punished. BUT:

To force healthy folks to pay never ending state of the art medical procedures for folks that will not choose to maintain a medical policy; well that should my by choice.

What I was referring to in my post above is that when someone else pays for my medical insurance, then there is no incentive for me to be thrifty with medical use. In other words, take what I can get, it is free... BUT; If there is a relationship between my premium and the services I choose to use, then I have some incentive to hold down my costs by being thrifty with procedures. Kinda like choosing a vehicle that gets good gas mileage... :)

There is nothing in that about folks that have illnesses.

On the other hand: If I choose to abuse my body with the attitude that 'medical insurance will pay for it', well why should folks that are responsible and practice a preventative lifestyle (take care of their bodies) have to pay for the irresponsibility of others?

[mrs reb77]

The cost of the 2 are not compareable.

Ah, but perhaps they should be.

Putting the burden of health care insurance on employers makes no more sense then making employers provide car insurance for their employees...

[ga-hvac-tech]

The cost of the 2 are not compareable.

Why? Other than the fact that health insurance costs more than auto insurance... I do not see any difference. I have done lots of insurance shopping. It is just another commodity; one that should IMO be shoppable for quality at a good price.

[k-fridge]

The cost of the 2 are not compareable.

Why should it be?

My point is that the models can be the same.

Dunno how old you are but there was a time when people bought health insurance the same way they bought auto or life insurance. It was better; it put the bargaining power and the responsibility in the hands of the individual.

Big government is not the way. Putting healthcare under the watchful eye of the same people who were supposed to be watching over Fannie and Freddie isn't very wise either.

Think about it.

[skwsproul]

Health insurance should remain private. I do not want to pay for your health care costs because you smoke, drink, eat unhealthy. It is not fair that America is overweight and we already pay for it. We already pay for lazy arses who will not work or have kids just for the assistance. Its all crap, hold people responsible for their decisions and be more critical of them before they get a free ride. We all here work to darn hard to get what we have only to watch others get it handed to them. That is the thing that needs changed. Not more Government control but less Government control. We can all see how well the Government controlled retirement is working out, just another example of using money that is earmarked for one thing, then used for another. Why in the heck can you get social security if you never even payed into it, that is crap.

The tax crap that BO is advertising does not add up. He says Mccain is going to put a tax on benifits but give a per person tax break to help pay for health care. The tax break is far more than the tax itself and if I get that big of a tax break I will have free, private health care and more money to boot.

[BigJon3475]

;)

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2008_database

[BigJon3475]

Health insurance should remain private. I do not want to pay for your health care costs because you smoke, drink, eat unhealthy. It is not fair that America is overweight and we already pay for it. We already pay for lazy arses who will not work or have kids just for the assistance. Its all crap, hold people responsible for their decisions and be more critical of them before they get a free ride. We all here work to darn hard to get what we have only to watch others get it handed to them. That is the thing that needs changed. Not more Government control but less Government control. We can all see how well the Government controlled retirement is working out, just another example of using money that is earmarked for one thing, then used for another. Why in the heck can you get social security if you never even payed into it, that is crap.

The tax crap that BO is advertising does not add up. He says Mccain is going to put a tax on benifits but give a per person tax break to help pay for health care. The tax break is far more than the tax itself and if I get that big of a tax break I will have free, private health care and more money to boot.
Sen. Obama's saying outright that Sen. McCain's plan is a loss for you is nonsense.
The $12,000 cost and $5,000 credit are not comparable unless one assumes two facts for McCain's health care tax plan: (1) the worker will be dropped by his employer, and (2) the worker's wages will not increase to offset the lost health care. For most workers, this isn't going to happen. If somebody is receiving $12,000 in health insurance that is now taxed as ordinary income (and there is no dropping of coverage), a $5,000 credit is going to more than offset the additional tax a person must pay on his/her employer-provided health insurance. Eventually, since the credit is indexed for inflation and not health-care costs, the credit's value would diminish. But over the next ten years, the Tax Policy Center has estimated that McCain's health care tax plan is a $1.3 trillion tax cut for American taxpayers, and they have shown that the average middle-income tax unit would be better off under McCain's health care tax plan than Obama's in that time period. Now it is true that the average doesn't hold for everyone in the middle, and some will gain a lot in the middle and some could lose a lot in the middle (such as those whose coverage is dropped), but the reality is that the health care tax plan is the most progressive part of Sen. McCain's plan. It would make the federal income tax more progressive.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23776.html