Honeywell WEBS - Tridium Based

[Vortech]

Is there a factory defualt password for this or am I out of luck as to getting into this system.

-V-

[NINAX]

Is there a factory defualt password for this or am I out of luck as to getting into this system.

-V-

Yes.

[Vortech]

thats extremely helpfull, yes to which part mate? that Iam out of luck or there is a default password?

-V-

[NINAX]

Is there a factory defualt password for this or am I out of luck as to getting into this system.

-V-

Oh, sorry. Yes and maybe, in that order.

[Vortech]

opps

[Vortech]

Would you care to share more info m8? I have looked on Honeywells website and unless I am looking in the wrong spot they have less info on-line then my previous employer....

-V-

[The Reaper]

Hi Vortech,
Check your e-mail.:)

[Vortech]

Hi Vortech,
Check your e-mail.:)


Thanks Guy's but I am still at a stand still....

Let me expand my problem - I have 2 control systems on site, 1 of which I have full control over - most of the controls is Siemens the "remote" site was installed a few years ago and awarded to another company they installed Honeywell Lon controllers in the field with a Honeywell branded Tridium supervisory controls and a websupervisory workstation on the main campus, well the control company HQ in Boston Ma closed it's RI "branch" (2 guys) and we have been unable to get them to respond to calls for service-- What I would like to do is use my training on JCI and Siemens to learn this other control line myself or we will just have to replace the Honeywell Webs with JCI or Siemens - But I dont really know what software I need to buy and can I salvage the exsisting Database as I can not open the station due to no P/W or do I buy the software and start from scratch if thats the case replacing it with an NAE and ADS become much easier for me.

-V-

[Chris_Worthington]

or we will just have to replace the Honeywell Webs with JCI or Siemens :eek::eek::eek::eek:

1st question is there a web supervisor?? PC with AX software?? "If" so I'll get you into the platform and the station, no problemo :D

[Vortech]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

1st question is there a web supervisor?? PC with AX software?? "If" so I'll get you into the platform and the station, no problemo :D


there is a PC with what pops up is Honeywell WEBS
here is what I have in my start programs menu :

Niagara: ADMIN, CONSOLE, WEB SUPERVISOR, admin tool, JAVA desktop environment, JAVA desktop environment (alarm), install naiagarad.exe

In web Pro I can view a file under "stations" called config.db.new that shows users and passwords and other config info but P/W are encrypted or in some form of hex???

Thanks for any help, I hate to junk a system for lack of knowledge and/or good service

[Chris_Worthington]

First lets see if we can get you into the platform level....

open up your start menu, go to Niagara/Honeywell/ whatever it is, expand that and select install platform daemon,,, a little window should pop up, say some stuff and disappear.....

Go Back to the start menu and select web pro/web station

I would assume since this is in service that you should see a Jace(s) with an IP addy? IF so right click on the IP addy and select open platform, try the default login user: honeywell pass: webs OR user: tridium pass: niagara All lower case...

This is the first step to getting you in, should this not work, no fear there is another way ;) but you must be able to directly connect to the Jace.

This is via the shell mode, you will move a jumper and make a connection through a hyper terminal connection, from here you can reset the platform login info back to its default state ;)

Let me know when you get this accomplished and I will get you into the station as well.

There is some docs BTW, in C>Honeywell or Niagara>3.something>docs these should help out a lot !!!

Here is the shell info,,,,

To connect to the JACE serial system shell

To connect to the JACE's system shell using a serial connection, do the following:

Connect the necessary serial cable and adapter between the JACE's RS-232 port and the RS-232 COM port you are using on your PC. See "Items needed for serial system shell".

On your PC, start HyperTerminal. From the Windows Start menu, this is typically Programs->Accessories->Communications->HyperTerminal.

In the "Connection Description" dialog, type a name for this session.

For example: Jace serial shell

Click OK.

In the "Connect to" dialog, use the "Connect using" drop-down list to select the COM port you are using on your PC, for example COM1.

Click OK.

In the Comn Properties dialog, choose the following settings:

Bits per second: 57600 (note: if a JACE-2, select 115200)

Data bits: 8

Parity: None

Stop bits: 1

Flow control: Hardware

Click OK. The HyperTerminal session is now set up.

On the JACE circuit board, locate the 4-pin Mode connector and put a 2-pin jumper on the topmost pins. See "Mode connector" for more details.

With your HyperTerminal session active, unplug the JACE's 6-position power connector from the circuit board, then plug it back in.

After some number of seconds, text should appear in the HyperTerminal window similar to:

Press any key to stop auto-boot...

Do not press any key, wait for the login prompt.

If you did press a key to stop auto-boot, select option 1 (Boot from on-board nand flash).

At the login prompt, enter the platform user name, and at the password prompt, the platform password. See "Platform daemon credentials" for factory-default values.

The system shell menu appears. See "About JACE system shell menu".

When finished making platform changes from the serial system shell, do the following:

Remove the 2-pin jumper from the JACE's 4-pin Mode connector, or place back in "normal" position.

From the system shell menu, select the Reboot option.

Type "y" at the "Are you sure you want to reboot [y/n]" prompt, and press Enter.

Shutdown-related text appears in the HyperTerminal window, and then the connection is dropped.

Press the Disconnect button on the HyperTerminal tool bar.

Exit from the HyperTerminal application, selecting to Save if you wish to reuse this setup again.

Let me know, when you have made it this far ;)

[Chris_Worthington]

Crap, copied and pasted "not" enough.....


See "Platform daemon credentials" for factory-default values.

During the boot up of the Jace in the shell mode, you will see a prompt for setting the login credentials back to the default, Do This !!!

[Vortech]

Thanks Chris, the passwords do not work on the webpro, so it looks like tommorrow I will see if I can get into (alot of trouble) the Jace directly and reset the p/w... thanks for your help the way you guys talk about the tridium stuff, I figure it cant be that bad... :)

-V-

what else might i need to buy for sofeware to maintian this stuff?

[Chris_Worthington]

The Trids Rock !! just me 2 cents ;)

Give me a few secs and I'll try and post your next step :D

[NINAX]

there is a PC with what pops up is Honeywell WEBS
here is what I have in my start programs menu :

Niagara: ADMIN, CONSOLE, WEB SUPERVISOR, admin tool, JAVA desktop environment, JAVA desktop environment (alarm), install naiagarad.exe


ChrisW, doesn't this sound/look like R2?

[Chris_Worthington]

K, your into the Platform now via Web Pro :D

Expand platform and go the station copier.....

you will see 2 panes, on the left whats on the PC, On the right whats on the Jace, just one station...

Highlight the one on the right, In the middle select the arrow point towards the left (the PC) follow all defaults except the name.....

Add underscore today's date ie _10_22_08 to the end of whatever the name is....

once complete, In Web Pro at the top of the nav file, that's on the left....

Expand my "my host" expand "Sys home" expand "stations" expand "whatever station you just saved" expand "config.bog" expand "services" double click on "user service" ......

double click on the "admin" user and edit the password and confirm....

Right click on the config.bog and select save......

Close all that up and go back to the Jace's platform and to the station copier....

copy from left to right, this time, let her reboot and your in :D

NEED to read the docs though I gave the file path to as well, but this should give you a start and keep JCI out :D

Hugs and Kisses

Chris

[Chris_Worthington]

ChrisW, doesn't this sound/look like R2?

OMG,,,, he said AX,,, I went with it,,, bahahahaha

I need sleep..

[davem]

And this is another clue that this is r2:



In web Pro I can view a file under "stations" called config.db.new that shows users and passwords and other config info but P/W are encrypted or in some form of hex???


...which explains why the original company has flown the coop...r2 is a pain to add stuff to...

[Chris_Worthington]

Vortech,

NINAX has made a good observation and catch here,,,, Is this AX or an R2 Tridium system???

My steps are for the AX side, not the R2 side

Although, they are similar, they are not that similar and if R2 it would best if you get the correct steps for R2, still avoiding JCI :D

My apologies if R2, lack of slepts and evidently attention to detail :rolleyes:

Chris

[NINAX]

...r2 is a pain to add stuff to...

Probably much like dealing with Loytec?

[davem]

Can't honestly say - never dealt with Loytec...:) - I'm such a LON newbie I embarass myself every time I talk about LON on this board...

...but have extensive experience with r2 :eek: AX is such a breeze compared to r2...

[ddcfreek]

...replacing it with an NAE and ADS...

That's like replacing your Corvette with a Pinto. If its AX.

[Vortech]

That's like replacing your Corvette with a Pinto. If its AX.


:) maybe for you guys with tridium experance ya... but I am ex jci and could do an NAE in my sleep

but now that I am on the outside I must find another product anyway so I think tridium school is in my near future.........

-V-

[Vortech]

sooo it looks like R2 ????

?xml version="1.0" ?>

<!-- Tridium XML library module -->

<module
vendor="Tridium"
product="Niagara"
release="2.301.511.v1"
host="TM0FACWEBSUP"
javaVendor="Sun Microsystems Inc."
javaVersion="1.4.1"
osName="Windows XP"
osArch="x86"
timestamp="2005-05-10T11:26:32-4"
>


database never
coreui never
vas never
webui never
coreruntime never


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coreUi 2.301.511.v1
lonCcs 2.301.511.v1
lonPhilips 2.301.511.v1
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lonPm 2.301.511.v1
manuals 2.301.511.v1
lonCh 2.301.511.v1
dde 2.301.511.v1
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lonHorton 2.301.511.v1
webUser 2.301.511.v1
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isp 2.301.511.v1
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lonSenseair 2.301.511.v1
lonKele 2.301.511.v1
lonJohnson 2.301.511.v1
vlon 2.301.511.v1
lonHoneywellIO 2.301.511.v1
snmp 2.301.511.v1
lonKiebackpeter 2.301.511.v1
lonIndala 2.301.511.v1
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novus 2.302.511.v1
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lonLexel 2.301.511.v1
elreha 2.301.511.v1
lonNr 2.301.511.v1
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lonWatanabe 2.301.511.v1
vserial 2.301.511.v1
lonContcontrol 2.301.511.v1
lonOntrol 2.301.511.v1
multiSite 2.301.511.v1
lonSmartcontrols 2.301.511.v1
lonCircon 2.301.511.v1
lonStaefa 2.301.511.v1
lonTridonic 2.301.511.v1
bacxNdio 2.305.511.v1
lonMsa 2.301.511.v1
lonMatsu****a 2.301.511.v1
lonYork 2.301.511.v1
kitGxGhost 2.301.511.v1
csd 2.301.511.v1
lonEbtron 2.301.511.v1
lonActionInstr 2.301.511.v1
lonKamstrup 2.301.511.v1
lonRockwell 2.301.511.v1
images 2.301.511.v1
bacnetWS 2.305.511.v1
lonDanfoss 2.301.511.v1
lonTokoelectric 2.301.511.v1
opcClient 2.302.511.v1
lonAhlstrom 2.301.511.v1
lonCristal 2.301.511.v1
lonExhausto 2.301.511.v1
lonViessman 2.301.511.v1
lonSiemens 2.301.511.v1
omron 2.301.511.v1
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lonCalon 2.301.511.v1
lonJrs 2.301.511.v1
programLib 2.301.511.v1
lonIdec 2.301.511.v1
ion 2.301.511.beta
lonActech 2.301.511.v1
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lonGraham 2.301.511.v1
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lonCummins 2.301.511.v1
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lonRegin 2.301.511.v1
lonTriatek 2.301.511.v1
trendIQ 2.301.511.v1
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wizard 2.301.511.v1
lonAtt 2.301.511.v1
proteusAlarms 2.301.511.v1
examples 2.301.511.v1
serialDriver 2.301.511.v1
lonLonix 2.301.511.v1
amerAutoPUP 2.301.511.v1
solidyne 2.301.511.v1
lonHoneywell 2.302.511.v1
lonCeag 2.301.511.v1
lonHelvar 2.301.511.v1
lonTrane 2.301.511.v1
alm 2.301.511.v1
lonHoneywellVacon 2.301.511.v1
lonWago 2.301.511.v1
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lonPmluft 2.301.511.v1
lonMcquay 2.301.511.v1
lonCetelab 2.301.511.v1
lonApice 2.301.511.v1
lonPurechoice 2.301.511.v1
lonMagnetek 2.301.511.v1
lonYamatake 2.301.511.v1
lonElm 2.301.511.v1
lonCircon2 2.301.511.v1
lonBelimo 2.301.511.v1
lonPentacontrol 2.301.511.v1
lonSauter 2.301.511.v1
geLighting 2.301.511.v1
lonHoneywellXl15c 2.301.511.v1
lonLakewood 2.301.511.v1
lonTsi 2.301.511.v1
lonGrundfos 2.301.511.v1
omronHostLink 2.301.511.v1
lonOmron 2.301.511.v1
lonNico 2.301.511.v1
modbusAsync 2.302.511.v1
lonRichardszeta 2.301.511.v1
lonStanilite 2.301.511.v1
lonControlsolutions 2.301.511.v1
vas 2.301.511.v1
lonGe 2.301.511.v1
eibSerial 2.301.511.v1
mcquay 2.301.511.v1
lonLochinvar 2.301.511.v1
lonAct 2.301.511.v1
bacnet 2.305.511.v1
basys 2.301.511.v1
lib 2.301.511.v1
lonOnicon 2.301.511.v1
lonHubbell 2.301.511.v1
lonDistech 2.301.511.v1
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lonHach 2.301.511.v1
lonMicrotechII 2.301.511.v1
lonPlexus 2.301.511.v1
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lonCompwell 2.301.511.v1
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lonTelda 2.301.511.v1
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acInfinity 2.301.511.v1
opcClientWS 2.301.511.v1
lonGmc 2.301.511.v1
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recipients 2.301.511.v1
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lonLeviton 2.301.511.v1
dataAire 2.301.511.v1
lonSvea 2.301.511.v1
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lonProdual 2.301.511.v1
lonCarrier 2.301.511.v1
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lonDi 2.301.511.v1
lonAndover 2.301.511.v1
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lonOrion 2.301.511.v1
lonGira 2.301.511.v1
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lonRetech 2.301.511.v1
lonNodus 2.301.511.v1
ndio 2.303.511.v1
:mad::cool::cool::eek:

[d ward]

That's R2 V 511

[d ward]

Sorry, I was trying to look at how to add a user in R2, but my license has expired and I can't find the file right now. I will let someone else answer so I don't lead you to neverland by trying to remember.

[freddy-b]

:) do an NAE in my sleep V-

Thats called a nightmare ..brother.

[ddcfreek]

:) but I am ex jci and could do an NAE in my sleep

I've seen JCI techs fall asleep at thier computers, are NAE's that slow now with the new "improved" versions?

I've done NAE's before too, but only up to rev2.2

[NINAX]

I've seen JCI techs fall asleep at thier computers, are NAE's that slow now with the new "improved" versions?
I think they compare it to fine wine, ie it takes a long time to get there.

[Vortech]

well time will tell , If i fall in love with the tridium stuff like you guys, I think I have lttle choice in the long run because you cant buy some JCI stuff when your on the outside ..... so now my learning must start on the tridium stuff

that said witht the r2 product can I "upgrade" any part of the system ie: the websupervisor or does everything need to be replaced...

what software do you recommend I get, as I would like to use/play with it before I am sitting in a class looking at the software for the first time...its nice to have questions before you get there if you know what I mean

and I guess where do you purchase you hardware/software from...do you prefer the FX line from JCI or another OEM ?

-V-

[ddcfreek]

well time will tell , If i fall in love with the tridium stuff like you guys, I think I have lttle choice in the long run because you cant buy some JCI stuff when your on the outside ..... so now my learning must start on the tridium stuff-

It's like when Darth Vader took his mask off, hopefully your not as ugly...


that said witht the r2 product can I "upgrade" any part of the system ie: the websupervisor or does everything need to be replaced...-

I believe you can upgrade any part as long the supervisor is at the same or higher revision.


and I guess where do you purchase you hardware/software from...do you prefer the FX line from JCI or another OEM ?

I would only get FX if you need the N2, if your working with Lon or bacnet I would get Vykon or Honeywell.

[NINAX]

I would only get FX if you need the N2, if your working with Lon or bacnet I would get Vykon or Honeywell.
I agree with the FX part, but I'd say stay away from Honeywell. They seem to be getting real stupid with the WEBs.

[ddcfreek]

They seem to be getting real stupid with the WEBs.

How so? You mean with Spyders?

[NINAX]

How so? You mean with Spyders?

As a side issue, I'd say yes to the Spuders and XL10 wizards.

Mainly, the default is the non-open JACE and Supervisor. Of course, these limit the owner's options.

ASD tech support is usually 'I never heard of that', 'That's weird', and then my personal favorite, not answering the phone and not responding to voicemail.

They seem to be slow as snails for licensing, and essentially have no emergency licensing plan, or so says the ASD we deal with.

[ddcfreek]

As a side issue, I'd say yes to the Spuders and XL10 wizards.

Mainly, the default is the non-open JACE and Supervisor. Of course, these limit the owner's options.

ASD tech support is usually 'I never heard of that', 'That's weird', and then my personal favorite, not answering the phone and not responding to voicemail.

They seem to be slow as snails for licensing, and essentially have no emergency licensing plan, or so says the ASD we deal with.

I see, I've only called tac once and they called me back the next day. As far as licensing, they've seemed to have gotten better in the last few months.

[davem]

Mainly, the default is the non-open JACE and Supervisor. Of course, these limit the owner's options.


Hmmm...I've been ordering most of my Tridium stuff lately from our ASD, and by simply adding an -O to their part numbers, the stuff comes with an open license (so I can use my Vykon software). I've been able to do all the Spyder and Venom stuff with my regular Vykon software - not limited at all...

[NINAX]

Hmmm...I've been ordering most of my Tridium stuff lately from our ASD, and by simply adding an -O to their part numbers, the stuff comes with an open license (so I can use my Vykon software). I've been able to do all the Spyder and Venom stuff with my regular Vykon software - not limited at all...

I'm sure everyone here knows that adding the -O gets the open license. But 'adding' to the part number is not the default, now is it?

Spuders can be programmed with 'brands' of HW and Vykon only. This sure sounds limited to me.

[davem]

Don't know - never heard of a "default" part number... usually, the person placing the order has to be smart enough to know the part number they want. If you rely on the person picking up the phone to know exactly what you want, that's why you won't be satisfied with what you get.
Order smartly, and you'll find that Honeywell is every bit as good a source for Tridium product as Johnson is. The fact that Honeywell actually sells every driver that Tridium ever developed for the platform is a plus, as opposed to any of the Johnson channels that don't know a thing beyond N2, LON, and BACnet. Expand your horizons, get to know how to order the entire product line...and you'll be a better advocate for the platform.

[sysint]

I'm going on record stating I like both of you guys.... OK go back to battling it out.. ;)

[NINAX]

Don't know - never heard of a "default" part number... usually, the person placing the order has to be smart enough to know the part number they want. If you rely on the person picking up the phone to know exactly what you want, that's why you won't be satisfied with what you get.

Where did I say default part number? I said by default. You have to ADD the -O for open v. adding -C for restricted. Get it now?



Order smartly, and you'll find that Honeywell is every bit as good a source for Tridium product as Johnson is. The fact that Honeywell actually sells every driver that Tridium ever developed for the platform is a plus,
Dang, you must be a freaking genius. I always thought that every order included an exercise in mind reading.

as opposed to any of the Johnson channels that don't know a thing beyond N2, LON, and BACnet.
And when did I compare JCI driver availability to Dummywells or Vykons? I could care less about JCI except for the N2.

Expand your horizons, get to know how to order the entire product line...and you'll be a better advocate for the platform.I know. I wish I could be as smart as you are, being one of the very few out there that knows a product line and knows how to place an order.

[Chris_Worthington]

Debates are kewl and the passion in ones position, But this is a "G" rated site, lets keep it that way ;)

TIA

Chris

[NINAX]

Debates are kewl and the passion in ones position, But this is a "G" rated site, lets keep it that way ;)

TIA

Chris

Oops, edit complete.

[Chris_Worthington]

Thank you ;)