JCI MSEA Rumor..is it true?

[freddy-b]

Rumor has it, that the Original NAE's dont have enough hardware horsepower to run MSEA 4.xx (if it has enough to run 1.xx is debatable), but anyway is this true? And if true... will existing customers get these replaced free of charge or will these NAE's all of a sudden have unexplainable "lightning strikes"?

[mackinaw]

Are you wanting to start a rumor? If you've heard something, back it up. Or are you just being a JCI troll again....:rolleyes:

I've been upgrading NAE's whenever a new version comes out. I've lost track off which ones were "original" version. I have not run into any problems so far.

If this does turn out to be true, I would expect JCI would do a trade in (not for free).

Call Dell and tell them your laptop won't run Vista because of hardware limitations. I'm sure they will send a new more powerful box free of charge. Software becomes more powerful, hardware gets left behind. Don't want to upgrade hardware, don't load more powerful software.

[freddy-b]

Are you wanting to start a rumor? If you've heard something, back it up. Or are you just being a JCI troll again....:rolleyes:

I've been upgrading NAE's whenever a new version comes out. I've lost track off which ones were "original" version. I have not run into any problems so far.

If this does turn out to be true, I would expect JCI would do a trade in (not for free).

Call Dell and tell them your laptop won't run Vista because of hardware limitations. I'm sure they will send a new more powerful box free of charge. Software becomes more powerful, hardware gets left behind. Don't want to upgrade hardware, don't load more powerful software.

I have heard from two different sources. Thats why I am asking, but why would I expect a sheeple like you to know anything about it?

The Dell analogy is fine, however this how it goes with JCI.... the fix to fix the fix is in the fix that this fix fixes...and oh BTW you need a new NAE to fix it. ;)

[mackinaw]

The Dell analogy is fine, however this how it goes with JCI.... the fix to fix the fix is in the fix that this fix fixes...and oh BTW you need a new NAE to fix it. ;)

I will agree on this part. If the customer was sold a feature that doesn't work...the fix should be free.

[freddy-b]

If this is true and if 4.x was sold without disclosing the fact that the existing NAE could not handle it. That is wrong. If 4.0 was sold with the premise of fixing something previous. And now BOOM...you need new NAE's as well. see where I am going?

I sure dont remember a NCM needing replaced for a PMI upgrade? Even the good ole 200's lasted to the end.

[mackinaw]

If this is true and if 4.x was sold without disclosing the fact that the existing NAE could not handle it. That is wrong.

Agreed, I would cancel my order.

[freddy-b]

Agreed, I would cancel my order.

But I "Mr Customer" want my intrinsic Alarming as was adverised to work with 1.0....What do we now Mr jci SALESMAN?

"Well, We can get drunk and grope the strippers!" What do you say Pal?

[mackinaw]

But I "Mr Customer" want my intrinsic Alarming as was adverised to work with 1.0....What do we now Mr jci SALESMAN?

"Well, We can get drunk and grope the strippers!" What do you say Pal?


Who needs alarms when we got strippers....take them to Art's (go cheap, we got stockholders to think of). :D

[NINAX]

Rumor has it, that the Original NAE's dont have enough hardware horsepower to run MSEA 4.xx (if it has enough to run 1.xx is debatable), but anyway is this true? And if true... will existing customers get these replaced free of charge or will these NAE's all of a sudden have unexplainable "lightning strikes"?

Do you remember this one....4-26-08 (http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=169304)....related perhaps?

[ctrl_freak]

it depends on how old your nae is.....if you have an nae that is running 1.xx then you more than likely couldn't upgrade to the 2.xx revision or even 3.xx........not a scam, just the way the computer world is. you can't run vista on a pc that was bought when win3.1 was out......what is the date code of your nae???? or what is the year of purchase and why do you want to install 4.xxx????

[ctrl_freak]

But I "Mr Customer" want my intrinsic Alarming as was adverised to work with 1.0....What do we now Mr jci SALESMAN?

"Well, We can get drunk and grope the strippers!" What do you say Pal?
man you don't like jci do you????

[freddy-b]

it depends on how old your nae is.....if you have an nae that is running 1.xx then you more than likely couldn't upgrade to the 2.xx revision or even 3.xx........not a scam, just the way the computer world is. you can't run vista on a pc that was bought when win3.1 was out......what is the date code of your nae???? or what is the year of purchase and why do you want to install 4.xxx????

Sure thing...apples and oranges man!

[freddy-b]

man you don't like jci do you????

I think they are crooks, and the NAE sucks. Other than that they are fine.

[ctrl_freak]

what do you mean apples and oranges? the reference between an nae and a pc?

okay so you don't like the nae, what supervisory devices do you prefer (product line)?

[ctrl_freak]

I think they are crooks, and the NAE sucks. Other than that they are fine.
hahaha.......

[freddy-b]

what do you mean apples and oranges? the reference between an nae and a pc?

okay so you don't like the nae, what supervisory devices do you prefer (product line)?

I dont recall needing new NCM's everytime there was a software upgrade.

I am sure a PC sold in 2004 with XP could still run solitare. NAE's are a joke. Just do some searchs on this site, because I dont have a week to get you up to speed on the limitations.

[mackinaw]

I think they are crooks, and the NAE sucks. Other than that they are fine.


Come on Freddy, tell the whole story....:rolleyes:

You left on bad terms and you still carry a chip.....be honest.

How many years did you draw a paycheck?

[ctrl_freak]

I dont recall needing new NCM's everytime there was a software upgrade.

I am sure a PC sold in 2004 with XP could still run solitare. NAE's are a joke. Just do some searchs on this site, because I dont have a week to get you up to speed on the limitations.
do you buy a pc just to play solitare? how many pieces of software would you be able to run on your 2004 pc now in 2008? probably just solitare.....

the reason for having to upgrade is because the software can't work with the hardware....maybe it sucks but that is the way the technology works. everyone wants it to be faster and have more memory, so the software has to be tuned for that. that being said that was a dirty trick to sell someone 4.xx and not disclose the need for an upgrade....

by the way i am still waiting on you to give me your problems with the nae, not just your disdain.....

[freddy-b]

You left on bad terms and you still carry a chip.....be honest.

True, I left because I would not in good conscience screw over customers as directed. The eye opening patheticness of NAEs speaks for itself.

[freddy-b]

do you buy a pc just to play solitare? how many pieces of software would you be able to run on your 2004 pc now in 2008? probably just solitare.....

the reason for having to upgrade is because the software can't work with the hardware....maybe it sucks but that is the way the technology works. everyone wants it to be faster and have more memory, so the software has to be tuned for that. that being said that was a dirty trick to sell someone 4.xx and not disclose the need for an upgrade....

by the way i am still waiting on you to give me your problems with the nae, not just your disdain.....

Dude... seriously the list is too long for the shortcomings.

You JCI guys crack me up. You never delivered as advertised...next rev..next rev......................................then the hardware is obsolete. Charging all the way. Give me a break.

And you wonder why you guys cant keep accounts...laughable..just plain hysterical.

[ctrl_freak]

Dude... seriously the list is too long for the shortcomings.

You JCI guys crack me up. You never delivered as advertised...next rev..next rev......................................then the hardware is obsolete. Charging all the way. Give me a break.

And you wonder why you guys cant keep accounts...laughable..just plain hysterical.
so what do you work on now?

and at least give me 5 cons to the nae......

i kind of agree that it shouldn't be next revision but tell me what software ever comes out perfect first time, second time, third time etc????

[mackinaw]

True, I left because I would not in good conscience screw over customers as directed. The eye opening patheticness of NAEs speaks for itself.

So you left over ethics huh? Sorry I'm not believing it, someone with that high of ethics would not crap on every JCI thread in the way you do. Someone with ethics would take the high road....

You sound more like a ex employee who's still got a chip on the old shoulder. I'm sure most can see right through your bs, you're not fooling me. So much for being honest huh....:rolleyes:

[freddy-b]

so what do you work on now?

and at least give me 5 cons to the nae......

i kind of agree that it shouldn't be next revision but tell me what software ever comes out perfect first time, second time, third time etc????

Tridium AX , several vendor flavors including JCI.
of the top of my head.

1: Weak hardware, subpar NIC card
2: JAVA Garbage collection (if it even exist)?
3: LCT is a joke of a tool
4: Graphics are a joke.(including advanced)
5: Lon capability is substandard

[freddy-b]

So you left over ethics huh? Sorry I'm not believing it, someone with that high of ethics would not crap on every JCI thread in the way you do. Someone with ethics would take the high road....

You sound more like a ex employee who's still got a chip on the old shoulder. I'm sure most can see right through your bs, you're not fooling me. So much for being honest huh....:rolleyes:

Mac you are a mindless yes man. You giving ethics lessons is about the same has having Ronald McDonald as your dietitian.

[ctrl_freak]

what is the platform that Tridium uses? (ie nae + java)

[freddy-b]

what is the platform that Tridium uses? (ie nae + java)

JACES, QNx, Java

[ctrl_freak]

any issues with Java?

how easy is programming?

what about the field controllers? what do you think about the jci field controllers.....i see how you feel about supervisory controllers.....

this is cool....you never realize how many technologies are out there til you ask

[freddy-b]

any issues with Java?

how easy is programming?

what about the field controllers? what do you think about the jci field controllers.....i see how you feel about supervisory controllers.....

this is cool....you never realize how many technologies are out there til you ask

Easy, and powerful. If you can dream it you can do it one way or another.

I like N2 ASC's, and Dx's. They work well. Dont know enough first hand about FEC to make a judgement.

No NAE "like" java problems at all.

[freddy-b]

So after all of this, it is apparent that the answer to my original question is most definitely YES!

[phantomtech]

Actually JCI has a trade-in program form older model NAE's that will get you to 4.XX at no more cost than the actual software upgrade would be.

[freddy-b]

Actually JCI has a trade-in program form older model NAE's that will get you to 4.XX at no more cost than the actual software upgrade would be.

Thank you for some good info, instead of slamming me.

[ctrl_freak]

hey freddy-b thanks for the info.....i am trying to get into more programming of systems so you have helped......

sucks you don't like nae's because i dig em, even though they have java issues up the wazoo......

i am going to start to looking into LON, and if you have any good resources for me i would greatly appreciate it.....

[freddy-b]

You must enjoy pain! :)

Echelon is the best place to start with lon info.http://www.echelon.com/solutions/overview/default.htm

[carrier_jci_tac_tech]

The FX/AX is king over any NAE device out there. You do not need to add a data base sql Computer to get your graphic to work the way you want them to. do to Limit of the NAE. And other problem with the NAE limits.
I have over Three year of installing both AX/FX and NAE/NIE and the FX/AX is the best out there. Over 13 year as a Control Tech.

[Loop]

We have been burned installing the MSEA, it was not a complete package when it first came out, and to be perfectly honest it still isn't till they fix that pathetic graphic package and the sub-standard GPL tool.
Apparently NAE's use pentium 3 processors - WTF?
You "Upgrade" a customers system from M5 graphics and it looks like a downgrade.
We have to carry the cost of time to do all the updates, patches, reflash the NAE's etc. that JCI gives us to fix the system, which is a sunrise to sunset job when you have a site with 12 NAE's.
Then they come with Rev 3.1 which has a load manager - wow! something that the old system had so why now charge for the upgrade software?
Rev 4.x has not been released in Europe so do I have anything to look forward to?

[Vortech]

hey freddy-b thanks for the info.....i am trying to get into more programming of systems so you have helped......

sucks you don't like nae's because i dig em, even though they have java issues up the wazoo......

i am going to start to looking into LON, and if you have any good resources for me i would greatly appreciate it.....

I like the NAE too, but LOn with the NAE is hit or miss depending on the age of the lon field devices and the NAE hate any non-standard names for lon

good luck I am working on figuring out this AX tridium stuff now

-V-

[carrier_jci_tac_tech]

AX tridium is not hard at all. You should go to an AX tridium class. it may help. if you can setup NEA then AX tridium will not be hard for you. order the FX Tool supervisor pro-solfware. Yes it add alot of thing you may not need but it start you the right way.

Any part house as it # LP-FXTSUPP-?