Flag Pins

[hvacker]

Didn't anyone but myself notice?
During the Presidential debates McCain, that's right McCain wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin.

Outrageous! He must be a Muslum.

Now I think we should here the same crap we heard when Obama was accused.

[crackertech]

Oh boy here we go.Again.

[cehs]

Did Mc Cain refuse to wear one, like Obama did previously, OR
did he FORGET to put one on?

Obama probably didn't want to be correctly accused of being unpatriotic...:D

[glennac]

Obama is allowed to wear the flag pin now that he is temporarily no longer a prominent member of the hate America church.

[whec720]

Didn't anyone but myself notice?
During the Presidential debates McCain, that's right McCain wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin.

Outrageous! He must be a Muslum.

Now I think we should here the same crap we heard when Obama was accused.

Maybe they should sick Neidermeyer on him. Would that make you happy?:D

[glennac]

Maybe they should sick Neidermeyer on him. Would that make you happy?:D

Naw, I think Neidermeyer would come after hvacker because he probably couldn't put a uniform on properly and stand at attention.

[whec720]

Naw, I think Neidermeyer would come after hvacker because he probably couldn't put a uniform on properly and stand at attention.

LMAO.
I'm willing to bet, he hates horses too.

Hey, hvacker! Is there anything you hate more, in this world, than that horse (besides Republicans;))?:D:D

[whec720]

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[RoBoTeq]

Didn't anyone but myself notice?
During the Presidential debates McCain, that's right McCain wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin.

Outrageous! He must be a Muslum.

Now I think we should here the same crap we heard when Obama was accused.
Are you kidding? Did no one else notice? The media is all over this.

As noted; McCain has never given a statement that he will not wear that pin as Obama has. McCain has not refused to put his hand over his heart in respect for the playing of the National anthem. McCain's patriotism has never had a reason to be questioned, as Obama's has.

[k-fridge]

Didn't anyone but myself notice?
During the Presidential debates McCain, that's right McCain wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin.

Outrageous! He must be a Muslum.

Now I think we should here the same crap we heard when Obama was accused.
He wore the uniform of the US Armed Forces, that's even better.

[hvacker]

Figures... Kill the messenger.

Point missed again. The flag pin to me was a non-issue. But for some it was a crack some wished to widen. Even to the point of set up questions.

I vote both sides of the ballot. Mine ends up looking like spagetti code. Unlike some I wouldn't vote straight party. It too often puts a poor choice in a place they shouldn't be.

Point in place. McCain / Palin are poor choices. Even columnist Kathleen Parker, who was once a Palin supporter now says " If BS were currency Palin could bail out Wall Street herself."
That "Palin filibusters. She repeats words filling space with dead wood."
She further suggests Palin should bow out " Do it for your country"

That would at least be a beginning for McCain. McCain / ?

[RoBoTeq]

Figures... Kill the messenger.

Point missed again. The flag pin to me was a non-issue. But for some it was a crack some wished to widen. Even to the point of set up questions.

I vote both sides of the ballot. Mine ends up looking like spagetti code. Unlike some I wouldn't vote straight party. It too often puts a poor choice in a place they shouldn't be.

Point in place. McCain / Palin are poor choices. Even columnist Kathleen Parker, who was once a Palin supporter now says " If BS were currency Palin could bail out Wall Street herself."
That "Palin filibusters. She repeats words filling space with dead wood."
She further suggests Palin should bow out " Do it for your country"

That would at least be a beginning for McCain. McCain / ?
I don't think anyone missed your point. We just don't agree with you.

[glennac]

Figures... Kill the messenger.

/ ?

Hey we just couldn't resist. Your such an easy target, kind of up tight and all so to speak.:D:)

[hvacker]

Pot calling the kettle?

[hvacker]

I don't think anyone missed your point. We just don't agree with you.

We? do you have a mouse in your pocket?
I'll bet the WE has three other members.

[RoBoTeq]

We? do you have a mouse in your pocket?
I'll bet the WE has three other members.
That would still be a "we", now wouldn't it?:rolleyes:

I know; depends on what the meaning of is, is.:cool:

[glennac]

That would still be a "we", now wouldn't it?:rolleyes:

I know; depends on what the meaning of is, is.:cool:

You may add me on the list of those agreeing with you this time robo so you can take the mouse out.:)

Hvacker as far as Obama is concerned the reason why he didn't wear it before because then he was a little more honest. He didn't want to be a hypocrite and wear something perceived as patriotic and pro American but now he will suck up his pride and wear the pin just so he can get elected.

He has also reversed a lot of his anti American and pro commie positions which he has espoused in the past at least until the election is over.

[hvacker]

You may add me on the list of those agreeing with you this time robo so you can take the mouse out.:)

Hvacker as far as Obama is concerned the reason why he didn't wear it before because then he was a little more honest. He didn't want to be a hypocrite and wear something perceived as patriotic and pro American but now he will suck up his pride and wear the pin just so he can get elected.

He has also reversed a lot of his anti American and pro commie positions which he has espoused in the past at least until the election is over.

Glen, for me it's always been a non-issue. I wouldn't let something so small persuade my vote. I agree with you that Obama now looks a little strange with the pin on.
I also think many on the hill wear the pin to look the part when one has to question their past sacrifices if there were any.
I have never heard any pro commie stuff from Obama. I mean to me commie means the economic production is in the hands of the State. He might have some socialist leanings but so do other Americans.
Because an American has a different idea of what America means doesn't make them anti-American. Our Constitution was probably the most liberal document of it's time or any other time. I mean, think of it..Liberty.

Allen Watts, the writer called the differences between liberals and conservatives " The age old struggle between the pricklys (conservatives) and the goos (liberals) " Ya, age old.

[tunnel_rat]

I have never heard any pro commie stuff from Obama. I mean to me commie means the economic production is in the hands of the State. He might have some socialist leanings but so do other Americans.
Because an American has a different idea of what America means doesn't make them anti-American. Our Constitution was probably the most liberal document of it's time or any other time. I mean, think of it..Liberty.




Wealth redistribution is the backbone of Communism, one thing BHO is on the record supporting. He is running for POTUS, your "other Americans" aren't.

And the chipping away of this country's liberties is another item in the liberal's handbag. Guess they no longer like the idea of Liberty.....if they're not in charge of who is allowed their form of "liberty".:rolleyes:

[whec720]

Originally Posted by hvacker View Post

Glen, for me it's always been a non-issue. I wouldn't let something so small persuade my vote.

Then why even start a thread about it?

[RoBoTeq]

Glen, for me it's always been a non-issue. I wouldn't let something so small persuade my vote. I agree with you that Obama now looks a little strange with the pin on.
I also think many on the hill wear the pin to look the part when one has to question their past sacrifices if there were any.
I have never heard any pro commie stuff from Obama. I mean to me commie means the economic production is in the hands of the State. He might have some socialist leanings but so do other Americans.
Because an American has a different idea of what America means doesn't make them anti-American. Our Constitution was probably the most liberal document of it's time or any other time. I mean, think of it..Liberty.

Allen Watts, the writer called the differences between liberals and conservatives " The age old struggle between the pricklys (conservatives) and the goos (liberals) " Ya, age old.
No one is claiming that something so small is going to make a difference in their decision making. It is not "one" small thing that we are talking about with Obama, it is many "small" things that are adding up to the conclusion that Obama cannot be trusted.

We can die of a thousand small cuts just as well as we can die from a major stab wound.

[hvacker]

Wealth redistribution is the backbone of Communism, one thing BHO is on the record supporting. He is running for POTUS, your "other Americans" aren't.

And the chipping away of this country's liberties is another item in the liberal's handbag. Guess they no longer like the idea of Liberty.....if they're not in charge of who is allowed their form of "liberty".:rolleyes:


Wealth re-distrubution in the USA is called TAXES.

Commies really don't re-distrubute property they steal it. In it's doctrine personal property is a form of theft.
I don't know what liberties your you mean. It would be a mistake to lump everybody together because they might vote one way or another.
Most people vote w/o any more thought than " That's how I've always voted."

The USA is a big place. So far it's been something like 145 years since we were killing each other. There are lots of different ideas.
I saw a movie about Hustlers owner Larry Flint. It was called " The Right To Be Left Alone." I like that. What does that make me? Rep or Dem?
Answer..Nether

[tunnel_rat]

Wealth re-distrubution in the USA is called TAXES.


Well, it was intended to fund the gov't for the duties it is responsible for, no more. It has turned into the means which politicians can play Santa at election time by taking from some and giving to some other. And it has been going on for far too long and just getting worse. When the potential POTUS wants to tax some even more, "because they don't really need that money" and give it to someone else "to be fair", that is not what this country is about. That my friend is Communism.

[acmanko]

McCain doesn't need a Flag Pin, he's always so close to Palin you could'nt see it anyway. God , it makes me sick the way he dotes on the woman when she is talking, but she's a few years younger than Cindy, maybe its wishfull thinking or pipedreams:D

[tunnel_rat]

McCain doesn't need a Flag Pin, he's always so close to Palin you could'nt see it anyway. God , it makes me sick the way he dotes on the woman when she is talking, but she's a few years younger than Cindy, maybe its wishfull thinking or pipedreams:D



LOL....Sounds like it's your dream......;)

[RoBoTeq]

Wealth re-distrubution in the USA is called TAXES.

Commies really don't re-distrubute property they steal it. In it's doctrine personal property is a form of theft.
I don't know what liberties your you mean. It would be a mistake to lump everybody together because they might vote one way or another.
Most people vote w/o any more thought than " That's how I've always voted."

The USA is a big place. So far it's been something like 145 years since we were killing each other. There are lots of different ideas.
I saw a movie about Hustlers owner Larry Flint. It was called " The Right To Be Left Alone." I like that. What does that make me? Rep or Dem?
Answer..Nether
I don't know where you get your ideas from, but Communism absolutely is a form of redistribution of tangible items for the sake of all being equal. There are no attitudes that personal property is a form of theft; that is ridiculous. Have you ever experience being in a Communist country? People of Communist countries do personally own things, they are simply restricted from becoming better then others through ownership. Therefore, the lowest common denominator becomes the norm in all but those in power, which is an oxymoron in itself. Also, not all Communist governments operate exactly the same way just as not all Democratic governments are the same. The Turkish Democracy would hardly be recognized as a Democracy by the average American.

Anyway, I do agree that referring to our Socialistic Democrat leaders as Commies is most likely not accurate.....yet.

[glennac]

..............................
Anyway, I do agree that referring to our Socialistic Democrat leaders as Commies is most likely not accurate.....yet.

I think you might be wrong there robo. Look at Obama,s past associations, his speeches, his voting record and his work as a "community organizer". I think you cut them to much slack so you won't be accused of being to rash or unfair. Just my 2 cents worth there robo.

[hvacker]

I don't know where you get your ideas from, but Communism absolutely is a form of redistribution of tangible items for the sake of all being equal. There are no attitudes that personal property is a form of theft; that is ridiculous. Have you ever experience being in a Communist country? People of Communist countries do personally own things, they are simply restricted from becoming better then others through ownership. Therefore, the lowest common denominator becomes the norm in all but those in power, which is an oxymoron in itself. Also, not all Communist governments operate exactly the same way just as not all Democratic governments are the same. The Turkish Democracy would hardly be recognized as a Democracy by the average American.

Anyway, I do agree that referring to our Socialistic Democrat leaders as Commies is most likely not accurate.....yet.

Yes, I should have said private property is considered theft not personal. Why I don't see the seizure of property and production as re-distribution is it becomes the property of the State and isn't re-distributed at all.
Most countries we call communists don't make that claim. They will say they are socialists and moving toward communism. As if it's a goal like perfecting oneself.
Also comparing a democracy to communism isn't really a fair judgement. A democracy as we know is a political system and while communism is also political it's original intent was to put production in the control of the state and have workers control their destiny.
You could have a communist country with democratic elections but the differences between candidates would probably be small.

Our economic system is a kinda capitalist system and theirs is a kinda communist system.
Our political system is a democratic/republic. Theirs for the most part decided that the workers revolution might best forget about elections.

I think there are also some capitalists in this world that would also like to see something other than a democracy.

[whec720]

I think there are also some capitalists in this world that would also like to see something other than a democracy.


Yeah....like your buddy, George Soros.:p

[hvacker]

Yeah....like your buddy, George Soros.:p

I don't think you thought that one through. I know who he is but I'd have no real reason to go to his web site.
If you want to attack, attack the argument not the person. That's an ad hominem and the refuge of someone without an argument.

I'll state my belief that the conservative party has been infiltrated by elitists beginning in the mid 50's and snowballing since Regan. They find elections cumbersome. A problem. The only freedom they crave is unbridled capitalism.
They once had western civilization under their thumb. They lived, even in this country like royalty. They want it back.
There are those that know full well that democracies are in trouble all over the world and not just from terrorists.
Extreme wealth harbors sociopaths. People without consciousness.
If what the USA has experienced the last 8 years doesn't look like a move away from a democracy then we live in different worlds.
Now Bush is leaving the White House with the silverware and china for himself and his friends.
Welcome to the dark side.

[RoBoTeq]

Just what do you consider an elitist, hvacker? Just because someone is rich, does not make them an elitist. An elitist is someone who feels that they are simply better then others and have should have the right to be treated differently and to operate under a different set of rules. Elitists believe they are more intelligent then others. Obama is a perfect example of an elitist.

[acmanko]

Just what do you consider an elitist, hvacker? Just because someone is rich, does not make them an elitist. An elitist is someone who feels that they are simply better then others and have should have the right to be treated differently and to operate under a different set of rules. Elitists believe they are more intelligent then others. Obama is a perfect example of an elitist.
I guess that describes me except for the believing part. I know all that is true,:D

[hvacker]

Just what do you consider an elitist, hvacker? Just because someone is rich, does not make them an elitist. An elitist is someone who feels that they are simply better then others and have should have the right to be treated differently and to operate under a different set of rules. Elitists believe they are more intelligent then others. Obama is a perfect example of an elitist.

I have no problem with wealth except maybe more would be nice. A lot of good can be done with wealth.
It's not the money that makes my idea of an elitist. Most of your description I would agree with.
But before condemning Obama as we really haven't had a chance to see him over very much time let's use your description as it might apply to Bush/Chaney.
I don't think that elitists think they are more intelligent as any time in school would tend to tune one up. I do think they apply there own rules and are sociopathic enough to do so in such a defiant way it borders on the ultimate "I dare you" attitude.
The way the admin doesn't think subpoena apply to them is an example.
They re-invent the wheel at will as they see it appling to them.
While I appreciate car salespeople and don't think the prevailing attitude about them applies to all, but the urban myth that a car salesperson will say and do whatever to get their way and sell that car. That they operate w/o conscious. That is an elitist attitude.

The different set of rules runs through the Bush/Chaney admin like a run away freight train.

[RoBoTeq]

To a degree, all politicians must have somewhat of an elitist leaning. I say this because even though politicians still claim to be civil servants, most feel that they can govern better then others, and "govern" has become the elitist mantra.

I disagree that President Bush or VP Cheney are elitist in the manner that you are implying. Previous Democratic rulings have screwed up our countries security so badly that the present leaders, under the current war circumstances, must evade some of the ridiculously liberal leaning laws concerning our nations security. The lax nature of our nations security has certainly aided our enemies in their attacks on us over the past couple of decades. Had our security systems not been taken to such a low level, there is a good chance we would have known enough about what the Islamic terrorists are doing to have prevented being attacked.

[hvacker]

To a degree, all politicians must have somewhat of an elitist leaning. I say this because even though politicians still claim to be civil servants, most feel that they can govern better then others, and "govern" has become the elitist mantra.

I disagree that President Bush or VP Cheney are elitist in the manner that you are implying. Previous Democratic rulings have screwed up our countries security so badly that the present leaders, under the current war circumstances, must evade some of the ridiculously liberal leaning laws concerning our nations security. The lax nature of our nations security has certainly aided our enemies in their attacks on us over the past couple of decades. Had our security systems not been taken to such a low level, there is a good chance we would have known enough about what the Islamic terrorists are doing to have prevented being attacked.

Agree with that. Most people don't seek power. It's not their in there nature. Some of them make very good leaders I believe because they never cut the strings with their past. They have a certain humbleness about them.
I don't think there is anything humble about any of the Pres candidate.
Power often brings out the worst in people.
When you mentioned about elitists believing they are allowed to live under a different set of rules. I think Bush/Cheney very much decide what they will honor and what they won't. The Constitution is ignored when it's convenient. They say "Executive Privilege" but don't allow investigation. When Cheney spoke of the dark side all I saw was Him revealing his own nature.

Never trust someone that talks out of the side of their mouth.