This just cost Barry another 10% of the female vote

[k-fridge]

Stupid is as stupid does. I hope he keeps talking, will save McCain a lot of money.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html

[razorwit]

Whether he was referring to Palin or not, he clearly made a mistake using the analogy in light of the joke she made at the convention.
It makes him appear petty.
I just watched Olberman kiss his ass for about 10 minutes on his show. Obama is much more at ease when he's got an audience who hangs on his every "uh".
I had to take an acid blocker after listening to all that crap.

Sadly, it's being swallowed by some.:(

[tunnel_rat]

Yea, Go Barry Go...He looks more petty and like a mindless putz every day.:p

[mrs reb77]

Unfortunate that this little misstep came so close on his last one!

[ga-hvac-tech]

Is it just me, or is Obummer going downhill with his comments every since the Friday McCain announced Sarah Palin? It kinda seems to me he (Obummer) has lost his edge...

Any thoughts?

[mrs reb77]

Me thinks he's a scared of women...but that may just be me.... :cool: :eek:

[mrs reb77]

Do you think it has anything to do with his 'muslim faith'? ;)

[k-fridge]

Is it just me, or is Obummer going downhill with his comments every since the Friday McCain announced Sarah Palin? It kinda seems to me he (Obummer) has lost his edge...

Any thoughts?
He didn't jist lose his edge, he last his teleprompter.

[mrs reb77]

In private, I can just imagine the conversation:

"it wasn't supposed to go this wayyyy!! I beat her, I'm supposed to be ahead all along. I'm the messiah! I'm the world citizen! IT IS WRITTEN!"


So, Obama was supposed to be the candidate of change, the one 'above' divisive politics, the one who would 'bring us all together'. He's totally against negative ads, divisive statements, politics as usual, attack ads....and all that....So, where did that guy go? I mean, he ain't in THIS election. ;)

[ga-hvac-tech]

In private, I can just imagine the conversation:

"it wasn't supposed to go this wayyyy!! I beat her, I'm supposed to be ahead all along. I'm the messiah! I'm the world citizen! IT IS WRITTEN!"


So, Obama was supposed to be the candidate of change, the one 'above' divisive politics, the one who would 'bring us all together'. He's totally against negative ads, divisive statements, politics as usual, attack ads....and all that....So, where did that guy go? I mean, he ain't in THIS election. ;)

Just goes to show, you do not send a boy to do a man's job.

Note that this is NOT a racial comment; rather an observation of experience and maturity.

[RoBoTeq]

Is it just me, or is Obummer going downhill with his comments every since the Friday McCain announced Sarah Palin? It kinda seems to me he (Obummer) has lost his edge...

Any thoughts?
Let's face it, these people don't write or come up with most of what they say. Obama's recital of the lipstick on a pig comment sounded almost like he didn't understand what it was he was saying. He was repeating something that a not so bright speech writer wrote for him to say. If you are not comfortable with what you are saying because you may not fully understand it, it comes off phony, and that is how Obama came off with the lipsticked pig comment.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Let's face it, these people don't write or come up with most of what they say. Obama's recital of the lipstick on a pig comment sounded almost like he didn't understand what it was he was saying. He was repeating something that a not so bright speech writer wrote for him to say. If you are not comfortable with what you are saying because you may not fully understand it, it comes off phony, and that is how Obama came off with the lipsticked pig comment.

I think the concept of which you speak is more true than we would want to believe.

Think with me here: We are, in effect, electing someone based on their personality and their ability to recite a speech they may or may not agree with... kinda sick if you ask me.

Given that, I still think Obummer is loosing his (emotional) edge somehow. His comments just do not stir the excitement they used to...

And honestly, I think he is in a no win situation with the lipstick on a pig comment: If he apologizes (which I think he will), he admits defeat to the GOP on that one... If he refuses to apologize he confirms that he is a sexist and dislikes women... a belief that will not go away easily regardless of what he does...

The guy is toast. If someone is a trend follower, a wise move would be to jump ship now before one sinks... :cool:

[corny]

Let's face it, these people don't write or come up with most of what they say. Obama's recital of the lipstick on a pig comment sounded almost like he didn't understand what it was he was saying. He was repeating something that a not so bright speech writer wrote for him to say. If you are not comfortable with what you are saying because you may not fully understand it, it comes off phony, and that is how Obama came off with the lipsticked pig comment.


He ripped it off from dick cheney...or cheneys speech writer....lol

[k-fridge]

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/Cgsq

[tunnel_rat]

What ever the thought process :rolleyes:, or lack thereof, that he said it at all, at best shows once again very bad judgement on the part of one "Messiah."

[k-fridge]

What ever the thought process :rolleyes:, or lack thereof, that he said it at all, at best shows once again very bad judgement on the part of one "Messiah."
Exact amundo!

[mrs reb77]

Senator Obama today:

Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday accused Sen. John McCain's campaign of engaging in "lies" and "swift boat politics" in regard to his comment about "lipstick on a pig."
Sen. Barack Obama dismisses GOP criticism about his reference to "lipstick on a pig."

"Spare me the phony outrage. Spare me the phony talk about change," Obama said at the start of an education event in Norfolk, Virginia.

"We have real problems in this country right now. The American people are looking to us for answers, not distractions, not diversions, not manipulations. They want real answers to the real problems we are facing.

"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift boat politics. Enough is enough," he said, referring to how Swift Boat Veterans for Truth launched attacks against Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 presidential race.



So, Obama wants it to stop but then he calls the Republicans liars and phony...??:confused: I'd say he's the pot....but I wouldn't want to start any kind of innocent remark incident...

[tunnel_rat]

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/Cgsq



And I thought he wanted to talk about the "issues".......imagine that!

[k-fridge]

Senator Obama today:

Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday accused Sen. John McCain's campaign of engaging in "lies" and "swift boat politics" in regard to his comment about "lipstick on a pig."
Sen. Barack Obama dismisses GOP criticism about his reference to "lipstick on a pig."

"Spare me the phony outrage. Spare me the phony talk about change," Obama said at the start of an education event in Norfolk, Virginia.

"We have real problems in this country right now. The American people are looking to us for answers, not distractions, not diversions, not manipulations. They want real answers to the real problems we are facing.

"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift boat politics. Enough is enough," he said, referring to how Swift Boat Veterans for Truth launched attacks against Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 presidential race.



So, Obama wants it to stop but then he calls the Republicans liars and phony...??:confused: I'd say he's the pot....but I wouldn't want to start any kind of innocent remark incident...

Somebody's skeeered.

[mrs reb77]

Earlier Wednesday, Obama's campaign announced it was launching "Alaska Mythbusters," a group of Alaskans that the campaign says will "set the record straight" about Palin.

Former Alaska Gov. Tony Knowles and Bob Weinstein, mayor of the city that would have been home to the "Bridge to Nowhere," planned to discuss Palin's record in a conference call later Wednesday.

Obama's group comes the day after McCain deployed the "Palin Truth Squad" to fight future attacks on his vice presidential nominee.

[jim a]

So far,

Obama is a :
terrible Christian
Muslim
Boy
sexist
Pot calling kettle
messiah

I see a trend here.

YOUTUBE "Mccain lipstick on a pig" refering to Hillary C's health care plan
as 'Lipstick on a pig' not 3 months ago. Was he calling Hillary a pig?
I don't think so....but what do I know, I think for myself.

have the cajones to admit the real reason

[mrs reb77]

This is a very interesting Op-ed:

http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB122100927525717663.html

[mrs reb77]

So far,

Obama is a :
terrible Christian
Muslim
Boy
sexist
Pot calling kettle
messiah

I see a trend here.

YOUTUBE "Mccain lipstick on a pig" refering to Hillary C's health care plan
as 'Lipstick on a pig' not 3 months ago. Was he calling Hillary a pig?
I don't think so....but what do I know, I think for myself.

have the cajones to admit the real reason

Huh?

Sarah Palin has been using the lipstick schtick for over a week now and Obama just 'happens' to come out with it?

I believe just a few days ago Obama himself acknowledged that McCain has not attacked his "muslim faith".

This guy is all for attack ads as long as they aren't directed at him. Like the new group "Alaska Mythbusters". Yeah, that's promoting his own agendas. :rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Also, if you want to point out John McCain using a very similar saying it was actually in 2007, not 3 months ago. And Hilary had in no way shape for form recently said anything about her lipstick.
Personally I think Obama had no clue what he was saying...too bad.

At least Obama could try to be original? :rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

October 11, 2007 Des Moines, Iowa:


McCain criticized Democratic contenders for offering what he called costly universal health care proposals that require too much government regulation. While he said he had not studied Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton's health-care plan, he said it was "eerily reminiscent" of the failed plan she offered as first lady in the early 1990s.

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," he said of her proposal.

[scrogdog]

So far,

Obama is a :
terrible Christian
Muslim
Boy
sexist
Pot calling kettle
messiah

I see a trend here.

YOUTUBE "Mccain lipstick on a pig" refering to Hillary C's health care plan
as 'Lipstick on a pig' not 3 months ago. Was he calling Hillary a pig?
I don't think so....but what do I know, I think for myself.

have the cajones to admit the real reason

Well, I think too many people get upset over the natural mudslinging that goes on. It's not like both sides don't pull the same crap and then chastise each other for doing so. It's absolutely ludicrous.

We can't stop it, so I say have a little fun with it. Well, actually we probably could, but it's just not that important. Plus... pssst... I think people LIKE it. :)

I mean, people just go bezerk over the silliest things. There was quite the outrage in this town (Boston) when we were shown the back cover of some NY newspaper the other day with the following headline;

YAHOO!: Tom Brady is injured

People were going ballistic when, as it turns out, the NY newspaper was *accrediting* the YAHOO! web site for breaking the story. :)

Now, personally, I think that Obama was referring to the policies of John McCain with that comment, but anyone would have to admit that it was very poorly timed and for that reason alone in extremely poor taste.

Just one man's opinion.

[razorwit]

Now, personally, I think that Obama was referring to the policies of John McCain with that comment, but anyone would have to admit that it was very poorly timed and for that reason alone in extremely poor taste.

Just one man's opinion.

No doubt that he was and no doubt that his timing was poor. He watched Palins speech and liked her material so he decided to use another version.:D

I agree that it's a natural course for these candidates, but I really have a hard time understanding all this artificial outrage over the mudslinging.

[iraqveteran]

Obama has been in 57 states appearantly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws


How in the holy Edited by ARPC. Watch the language please. can you think you can be president and not know how many states this country has???:eek::eek: :eek:

Makes ya think how he ever got elected in the first place...maybe cause he was only representing 1 state at that time:rolleyes:

[iraqveteran]

You go Newt....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkaKwJ9eOUU



Thats what I'm talkin about....layin the smack down!!!:D:D:D

[iraqveteran]

here it is......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgHg6QheTfw&feature=related



Edited by ARPC. Easy on the languange and insults bud.



Just what we need......a freakin muslim runnin the country at war with muslim terrorists....I bet this is in the Koran somewheres

[bootlen]

Obama has been in 57 states appearantly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws



There are 57 Islamic states. That's probably what he's talking about.

[glennac]

Let's face it, these people don't write or come up with most of what they say. Obama's recital of the lipstick on a pig comment sounded almost like he didn't understand what it was he was saying. He was repeating something that a not so bright speech writer wrote for him to say. If you are not comfortable with what you are saying because you may not fully understand it, it comes off phony, and that is how Obama came off with the lipsticked pig comment.

Sounds like a good excuse for Obama there robo. (I had a sorry speech writer) I hope he didn't offer you the job as "court jester" for that one. Just kidding robo. I couldn't resist taking a free swing since you let your "guard" down.:D:)

[RoBoTeq]

Sounds like a good excuse for Obama there robo. (I had a sorry speech writer) I hope he didn't offer you the job as "court jester" for that one. Just kidding robo. I couldn't resist taking a free swing since you let your "guard" down.:D:)
No problem Glenn. After you told me at dinner that you wrote these horrible things about me, I stuck my fingers in your sweet tea:confused:. Guess what I was doing just before dinner?:eek:

Thanks again for the great dinner company.

[razorwit]

Obama has been in 57 states appearantly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws


How in the holy Edited by ARPC. Watch the language please. can you think you can be president and not know how many states this country has???:eek::eek: :eek:

Makes ya think how he ever got elected in the first place...maybe cause he was only representing 1 state at that time:rolleyes:

From Snopes................
The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to discern without the need to invoke an obscure international organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one.

As for the 57 Islamic states.....
As for the next obvious question, depending upon the definitional criteria used, there are more or less than 57 Islamic countries/nations/states in the world. If an Islamic state is defined to mean any country in which a majority of the indigenous population is Muslim, then the total number of Islamic states is actually a little lower (about 52). All such numbers are estimates, however, and are subject to additional definitional criteria.

[razorwit]

No problem Glenn. After you told me at dinner that you wrote these horrible things about me, I stuck my fingers in your sweet tea:confused:. Guess what I was doing just before dinner?:eek:

Thanks again for the great dinner company.

LOL Those aren't the same fingers you wiped your butt with, are they?:D

[ga-hvac-tech]

From Snopes................
The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to discern without the need to invoke an obscure international organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one.

As for the 57 Islamic states.....
As for the next obvious question, depending upon the definitional criteria used, there are more or less than 57 Islamic countries/nations/states in the world. If an Islamic state is defined to mean any country in which a majority of the indigenous population is Muslim, then the total number of Islamic states is actually a little lower (about 52). All such numbers are estimates, however, and are subject to additional definitional criteria.


If we want to give credibility to Snopes, then they must be proven (by repeated example) to be above partisan bias... so far that proof has not happened... :eek:

[mrs reb77]

He was trying to express the thought....


Yeah, why didn't he just say that then if it's what was so easy to 'discern'? I remember that episode well, I heard it several times and none were out of context. He didn't have a clue what he was saying because he didn't have a teleprompter! :D

[razorwit]

In all fairness to Snopes, they do show the story as partly true and partly false.
If we want to challenge the credibility of every single refutation of lie or truth, then maybe we should just continue to muddy the waters and deny that truth exists at all.

I believe that Obama made a mistake in recounting the number of continental US states he had visited and some apparently think his subliminal devotion to Muslim states was what he mistakenly was alluding to.
Suit yourselves.

[mrs reb77]

I personally just thought he was ignorant of his United States geography. Since he was educated in his early years outside of this country, that could be a real supposition.

Most people that have problems remembering how many states are in our Union think either 48 or 50 though. Which seems to be a much more acceptable mistake since they're taught in school about the contiguous (lower) 48 and the 50 total--I still wouldn't expect someone that's wanted to RULE those 50 states for several years now to confuse how many there are....

[razorwit]

It's possible that the man was just fatigued and misspoke.

After hearing GWB misspeak, (even when he's rested)
I'm willing to assume it was an honest mistake.:D

Lord. Who knows? Obama may be the devil himself.:p

[k-fridge]

Lord. Who knows? Obama may be the devil himself.:p

Nah, the Devil can probably speak without a teleprompter. :D

[RoBoTeq]

From Snopes................
The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to discern without the need to invoke an obscure international organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one.

As for the 57 Islamic states.....
As for the next obvious question, depending upon the definitional criteria used, there are more or less than 57 Islamic countries/nations/states in the world. If an Islamic state is defined to mean any country in which a majority of the indigenous population is Muslim, then the total number of Islamic states is actually a little lower (about 52). All such numbers are estimates, however, and are subject to additional definitional criteria.
So now we need to go to Snopes for explanations of what Obama means to say rather then to accept what he actually says? Why is Snopes taking on the job of being an apologist for Obama?

No matter how you do the math, Obama would not be correct about how many states there are in the United States.

[RoBoTeq]

LOL Those aren't the same fingers you wiped your butt with, are they?:D
Ummmm, no; now stop thinking that way about my butt!:eek:

[RoBoTeq]

In all fairness to Snopes, they do show the story as partly true and partly false.
If we want to challenge the credibility of every single refutation of lie or truth, then maybe we should just continue to muddy the waters and deny that truth exists at all.

I believe that Obama made a mistake in recounting the number of continental US states he had visited and some apparently think his subliminal devotion to Muslim states was what he mistakenly was alluding to.
Suit yourselves.
Obama did say everything he is accused of saying about how many states he had visited and how many he had left to visit and how many he could not visit and the total adds up to 57. So, this is true.

The commentaries of the 57 Muslime states is not false. So why is Snopes trying to lessen Obama's faux pas by making excuses for him and attempting to make the Muslim accusations seem untrue?

[RoBoTeq]

It's possible that the man was just fatigued and misspoke.

After hearing GWB misspeak, (even when he's rested)
I'm willing to assume it was an honest mistake.:D

Lord. Who knows? Obama may be the devil himself.:p
Then maybe someone needs to give Barack Hussein Obama a little test when he is perfectly rested up. Some questions could be;


How many states are in the United States?
Allah says; Do you think of yourself as a Muslim but claim to be a Christian?
When were you born?
Was your daddy a goat herder?
Do you have an uncle who liberated Jews from a concentration camp in WWII?
How much Black influence is in your genetics?
Were you a college professor?Along with any of the many more mistruths Obama has claimed over the past 20 months.

And just how do you know when President Bush is rested or not when he gives a speech? President Bush is just a bad speaker. Obama can speak quite well, he just says things that are simply not true or accurate.

[razorwit]

The commentaries of the 57 Muslime states is not false. So why is Snopes trying to lessen Obama's faux pas by making excuses for him and attempting to make the Muslim accusations seem untrue?

Yes, it is false. Do the math. That way instead of attacking Snopes, you'll figure it out yourself.
I have found Snopes to be very objective but apparently they are only objective to some if they are giving the people they endorse a favorable review.:rolleyes:
Are you also someone who suggests that Obama was referring to the Islamic states when he mistakenly said 57 instead of 47?
Are you related to Karl Rove?:D:D

My point is that it's very extreme to insist that Obama doesn't know how many states are in the union.:rolleyes:
I'm sure that you really do believe it was a mistake but that you simply intend to keep denying it.

If we are going to criticize an entire religion as extemists, we probably need to examine our own prejudices too.

[razorwit]

Then maybe someone needs to give Barack Hussein Obama a little test when he is perfectly rested up. Some questions could be;


How many states are in the United States?
Allah says; Do you think of yourself as a Muslim but claim to be a Christian?
When were you born?
Was your daddy a goat herder?
Do you have an uncle who liberated Jews from a concentration camp in WWII?
How much Black influence is in your genetics?
Were you a college professor?Along with any of the many more mistruths Obama has claimed over the past 20 months.
I'm not sure I understand the point.
If you have his exact quotes and the context in which he made them, I'd appreciate your half-witted sarcasm a little bit more.


And just how do you know when President Bush is rested or not when he gives a speech?
Oh, I don't. I guess my attempt at sarcastic humor was about as good as yours.:rolleyes:


President Bush is just a bad speaker. Obama can speak quite well, he just says things that are simply not true or accurate.
Well, I agree GWB is pretty crummy as a speaker but I'd have to get examples of these "things" Obama has said that aren't true to be able to respond to them.
If you have em', let's go through em'.

And just for the record, every candidate I've ever seen since I started voting has projected inaccuracies, so I don't see Obama as any better or worse in that category.

[razorwit]

Ummmm, no; now stop thinking that way about my butt!:eek:
It wasn't your butt I was thinking about...it was that poor guy's drinks you stirred with your fingers.:D:D

[glennac]

It wasn't your butt I was thinking about...it was that poor guy's drinks you stirred with your fingers.:D:D

He never did but if you had left the table I would have to had relieved myself a little in yours.:)

[razorwit]

He never did but if you had left the table I would have to had relieved myself a little in yours.:)


LOL
I'm very particular about the company I keep and the people I drink with so you wouldn't have had the opportunity, but at least I understand where you're coming from.;)

[jim a]

It's good to read objective opinions countering a sea of right wing zeal
where facts only get in the way.

Anybody who can dismiss the misspokes, misunderestimates, and blunders
of The Wunderkind now in office and then accuse B.O., President of Harvard Review, of not knowing how many states in Union.......Methinks he doth protest too much..... (All due respect, I mean dat in a nice way)

[mrs reb77]

:rolleyes:

For the last time people, George W. Bush is not running for election. And we weren't posting about him, we were posting about Obama.
Just because George has misspoken then you now say it's an acceptable behavior? :confused:

So, I guess we should lower the bar...lower our expectations. Darn, maybe Hilary DID duck under incoming fire. Maybe Obama WAS a part of HIS U.S. Senate Banking Committee. And his Uncle liberated a NAZI concentration camp. And his parents came together because of the march in Selma....;)

[jim a]

For all intents and purposes, Bush IS running for pres.

Well, maybe only 90% of him is.

[razorwit]

:rolleyes:
For the last time people, George W. Bush is not running for election. And we weren't posting about him, we were posting about Obama.
Just because George has misspoken then you now say it's an acceptable behavior? :confused:
I'm not sure if you're referring to me or not, but all I was noting is that people make mistakes and I think Obama's mistake was not a result of him not knowing how many states there are in the union. IMO, It's a negative reflection on those who insist otherwise and not on Obama himself.


So, I guess we should lower the bar...lower our expectations. Darn, maybe Hilary DID duck under incoming fire. Maybe Obama WAS a part of HIS U.S. Senate Banking Committee. And his Uncle liberated a NAZI concentration camp. And his parents came together because of the march in Selma....;)
How are we lowering our expectations?
I expect distortions from ALL politicians in an election year. Would anyone deny that McCain is not delivering his share of them too?
But I really didn't expect some of the people on this forum, who I consider to be fairly intelligent, to be insisting that BO was referring to Islamic States when referring to American states he has campaigned in.
I feel I've made my point. It does nothing but invite ridicule to continue arguing what I consider to be the obvious.

[jim a]

"A Liberal is one who thinks G. Gordon Libby is a convicted felon who subverted the Constitution, and the election process needed to maintain it"

Nutcase
Libby Quote: "Now if it is the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bullet proof vests."........
They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.....Kill the sons of *****es."

this hunting liberal owns, Browning over/under superposed
Marlin 444 lever action
Antique sharps 4 barrel pistol
4 different Bear bows
30-06
8mm Mauser
etc.
40 years and I never killed anything I didn't eat. (except targets)

God Bless all fallen ATF!

[razorwit]

It's good to read objective opinions countering a sea of right wing zeal
where facts only get in the way.

Anybody who can dismiss the misspokes, misunderestimates, and blunders
of The Wunderkind now in office and then accuse B.O., President of Harvard Review, of not knowing how many states in Union.......Methinks he doth protest too much..... (All due respect, I mean dat in a nice way)

Oh, I now see what Mrs. Reb was referring to.
My apologies Mrs. Reb.

Jim A; Please do not mistake me for an Obama fan, because I'm not.
I do believe he knows how many states are in the union and simply made a mistake.

And if you're complimenting me on objectivity, I appreciate the comment but I also have to note that you're not being very objective by making that type of comparison you made between our president and Obama.
I respect GWB and would like to point out that he is a 2 term president while Obama, at this point, remains a 143 day senator who leaves me with more than just a bit of curious nervousness when I hear his proposed platforms.

[RoBoTeq]

Yes, it is false. Do the math. That way instead of attacking Snopes, you'll figure it out yourself.
I have found Snopes to be very objective but apparently they are only objective to some if they are giving the people they endorse a favorable review.:rolleyes:
Are you also someone who suggests that Obama was referring to the Islamic states when he mistakenly said 57 instead of 47?
Are you related to Karl Rove?:D:D

My point is that it's very extreme to insist that Obama doesn't know how many states are in the union.:rolleyes:
I'm sure that you really do believe it was a mistake but that you simply intend to keep denying it.

If we are going to criticize an entire religion as extemists, we probably need to examine our own prejudices too.
Actually, I think the 57 state Islam thing is a pretty far stretch. I think that Obama just cannot think on his feet and is not as in tune to reality or quite as practical wise intelligent as he is a decent orator.

Obama is a box of soap that is being sold to those who only read the hype on the front of the box and not the ingredients on the back. We really do not have any idea what Barack Hussein Obama is made of.

[RoBoTeq]

I'm not sure I understand the point.
If you have his exact quotes and the context in which he made them, I'd appreciate your half-witted sarcasm a little bit more.


Oh, I don't. I guess my attempt at sarcastic humor was about as good as yours.:rolleyes:


Well, I agree GWB is pretty crummy as a speaker but I'd have to get examples of these "things" Obama has said that aren't true to be able to respond to them.
If you have em', let's go through em'.

And just for the record, every candidate I've ever seen since I started voting has projected inaccuracies, so I don't see Obama as any better or worse in that category.
I did not mean to sound sarcastic. I assumed since you were involved in a discussion about Obama that you may know the basics of what is being discussed. If you have no clue as to what I am referencing in all of my questions to Obama, then there is no need for us to discuss Obama at all because you are simply clueless about what is going on with the man.

[RoBoTeq]

It's good to read objective opinions countering a sea of right wing zeal
where facts only get in the way.

Anybody who can dismiss the misspokes, misunderestimates, and blunders
of The Wunderkind now in office and then accuse B.O., President of Harvard Review, of not knowing how many states in Union.......Methinks he doth protest too much..... (All due respect, I mean dat in a nice way)
Well, try educating yourself before you put your fingers on your keyboard; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Now, just what about this absolute blunder by Obama gives any indication that Harvard bred Obama knows how many states are in the U.S.?

I suppose I should first ask if "you" know how many states there are:rolleyes:

[RoBoTeq]

Yes, it is false. Do the math. That way instead of attacking Snopes, you'll figure it out yourself.
I have found Snopes to be very objective but apparently they are only objective to some if they are giving the people they endorse a favorable review.:rolleyes:
Are you also someone who suggests that Obama was referring to the Islamic states when he mistakenly said 57 instead of 47?
Are you related to Karl Rove?:D:D

My point is that it's very extreme to insist that Obama doesn't know how many states are in the union.:rolleyes:
I'm sure that you really do believe it was a mistake but that you simply intend to keep denying it.

If we are going to criticize an entire religion as extemists, we probably need to examine our own prejudices too.
I don't know what kind of fuzzy new math you are into, but here are the facts;
The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_organization) with a permanent delegation to the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations). It groups 57 member states, from the Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East), Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa), Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia), Caucasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus), Balkan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan), Southeast Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia), South Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia) and South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America). The official languages of the organization are Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language), English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language) and French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language).

So, it can certainly seem to some that Obama has the 57 Islamic states on his mind more then he has the 50 states of the United States. Maybe he gets states delegated to the United Nations confused with states delegated to the United States. He certainly has made little effort to convince those concerned that he is dedicated to the U.S.

[RoBoTeq]

For all intents and purposes, Bush IS running for pres.

Well, maybe only 90% of him is.
This is completely wrong in every aspect. Do you have any clue what an election is? Are you only capable of reading bumper stickers and comprehending one line sentences with catchy phrase words in them?

Please, if you are going to enter a discussion, please try to have something to add that is above a third grade mentality.

[jim a]

Never once thought you were an Obama man but your willingness to look at the facts and the likelyhood of his not knowing amt. of states was refreshing!
Obama wasn't my first pick but he'll get my vote just because he some of my views, at least pre-election.
As to my objectivity, I try, but the overall venom,hatred,outrage and nuttiness of this election creeps up and before you know it I'm ranting too. I'm afraid the elephant in the room is racism judging by some maddening comments. No elephant pun intended..The essence of change for me is ... Do I think Obama will do a worse job than John M. will? Pretty cynical outlook but been burnt before...(compassionate conservatism). I enjoy the forums and listen to both sides
and make up my mind thusly. As to the present Commander in Chief....
Some of my biggest gripes are the way he's so obviously detached from the decision MAKING and dosen't do a lot of homework in global realpolitik and the low esteem he places on the diplomatic corps and alternate solutions.

Again, I enjoy your posts. and like my dad always said..."Don't mistake knowledge for wisdom"

[jim a]

I have a friend who swears he saw Obama eating hummis in Chi town.
check it out! Humor seems to be ok as long as it is the right kind.
Megadittos!

[andserco]

For all intents and purposes, Bush IS running for pres.

Well, maybe only 90% of him is.


Lets spin this a little....If McCain was the POTUS and Bush was a senator, would Bush vote with McCain 90% of the time?...

[jim a]

Do you think I'm the only one comparing GW with J Mc? Is that a unique idea
or the ranting of a third grader? Half of the electorate thinks that and besides, I thought it was a funny reply to a previous post. Yes. I know what an election is. Is this a one party party? At last count 50...am I right?
and now the final question.....

Will this affect my app for Pro Membership?

[RoBoTeq]

Do you think I'm the only one comparing GW with J Mc? Is that a unique idea
or the ranting of a third grader? Half of the electorate thinks that and besides, I thought it was a funny reply to a previous post. Yes. I know what an election is. Is this a one party party? At last count 50...am I right?
and now the final question.....

Will this affect my app for Pro Membership?
Of course you are not the only one attempting to compare John McCain with President Bush. All of the others of the same caliper of conversational ability are chanting the same rhetoric. What is so funny is that this is all you people can come up with. You can't define Obama and you can't think of anything viable to attack John McCain on.

[k-fridge]

For all intents and purposes, Bush IS running for pres.

Well, maybe only 90% of him is.

I have a question for you jim,

Since the executive branch (President) does not vote in congressional matters, and that means a president has no "voting record", how can the Obama camp factually make the statement that McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time?

[razorwit]

It means that he supports the legislation that the president supports 90% of the time and is misrepresented by using the term "voted with".

[k-fridge]

Obama is actually on record as voting with Ted Kennedy 91% of the time.

I'll take McCain.

[razorwit]

I don't know what kind of fuzzy new math you are into, but here are the facts;

So, it can certainly seem to some that Obama has the 57 Islamic states on his mind more then he has the 50 states of the United States. Maybe he gets states delegated to the United Nations confused with states delegated to the United States. He certainly has made little effort to convince those concerned that he is dedicated to the U.S.
The organization you referenced is for UN member countries only and your constant insistence that Obama is more in tume with them than he is the states of his own country is an insult to any rational thinking adults intelligence.
This is not Romper Room and most of us can see through distortions.
Your attempt at distortion makes you appear to be the pot calling the kettle black.

[razorwit]

I did not mean to sound sarcastic. I assumed since you were involved in a discussion about Obama that you may know the basics of what is being discussed. If you have no clue as to what I am referencing in all of my questions to Obama, then there is no need for us to discuss Obama at all because you are simply clueless about what is going on with the man.
Sorry, but I see the problem as you not understanding what you are referencing.
You listed the sarcastic questions.
The old adage remains true...Don't ask a question you can't answer.;)

[RoBoTeq]

The organization you referenced is for UN member countries only and your constant insistence that Obama is more in tume with them than he is the states of his own country is an insult to any rational thinking adults intelligence.
This is not Romper Room and most of us can see through distortions.
Your attempt at distortion makes you appear to be the pot calling the kettle black.
So you say because that is how you see it. I see it more that Obama is not someone I can trust as to where his loyalties lie. There are just too many little things that Obama keeps leaking out of his thoughts that keep pointing to the rationale that Obama thinks of himself as a Muslim. How Obama thinks of himself is very important as to how he would govern the rest of us.

[razorwit]

Obama is actually on record as voting with Ted Kennedy 91% of the time.

I'll take McCain.
Oh, I will too K.
No doubt.
But I'm not about to criticize Obama on each and every issue with needless fabrication, while touting McCain's dubious record either.

[razorwit]

So you say because that is how you see it. I see it more that Obama is not someone I can trust as to where his loyalties lie. There are just too many little things that Obama keeps leaking out of his thoughts that keep pointing to the rationale that Obama thinks of himself as a Muslim. How Obama thinks of himself is very important as to how he would govern the rest of us.


I agree. But I'm not clarivoyant and I cannot assume I know what the man is thinking and neither can you.

[RoBoTeq]

Sorry, but I see the problem as you not understanding what you are referencing.
You listed the sarcastic questions.
The old adage remains true...Don't ask a question you can't answer.;)
Your accusations are getting dumber and your argumentativeness is getting more boring. No one knows the answers to the highly publicized questions I have satirically asked because Obama will not answer them. Obama makes mistakes and never addresses his mistakes. Obama has been letting the media and argumentative persons such as yourself to do his red herring dances.

Instead of this silly game you are playing with me, why don't you dispute what I have written in some intelligent manner?

[razorwit]

Of course you are not the only one attempting to compare John McCain with President Bush.
It's as important an issue as is the Obama record, no??


All of the others of the same caliper of conversational ability are chanting the same rhetoric. What is so funny is that this is all you people can come up with. You can't define Obama and you can't think of anything viable to attack John McCain on.
Highly hypocritical analysis. I'd be here all night if I had to review the same rhetoric we have heard directed toward the liberals and especially Obama.
It's not my responsibility to "define" a candidate.
Having warm fuzzies about a candidate is simply not enough.
Hell, I can't define McCain either....but if you want me to list some problems I have with John McCain and his voting record, just let me know and I'll be glad to provide you with some.

[razorwit]

Your accusations are getting dumber and your argumentativeness is getting more boring. No one knows the answers to the highly publicized questions I have satirically asked because Obama will not answer them. Obama makes mistakes and never addresses his mistakes. Obama has been letting the media and argumentative persons such as yourself to do his red herring dances.

Instead of this silly game you are playing with me, why don't you dispute what I have written in some intelligent manner?

I'm not playing a game at all and I will not be sucked into misdirection.
You provided a list of some of the dumbest sheyt that the internet dredge has to offer and I'm boring?? LOL
If you can't support your rhetorical questions with some definitive answers, I'll leave you alone in your misery.:D

[RoBoTeq]

Oh, I will too K.
No doubt.
But I'm not about to criticize Obama on each and every issue with needless fabrication, while touting McCain's dubious record either.
Just why should Obama not be criticized for making statements that are not accurate or true?

There are not 57 states in the United States.
Obama appears to think of himself as a Muslim (multiple accounts verify this)
Obama born before the Selma AL racial outbreak and therefore could not be a product of it as he has claimed.
Obama's father was not a goat herder as he has claimed.
Obama does not hava an uncle who had anything to do with Jewish prisoners in WWII....as he has claimed.
Genetically, Obama is at best 1/8 African negroid, at least 1/2 caucasion and most likely the rest Middle Eastern Arabic.
Obama was not a professor, as he has claimed.

[RoBoTeq]

It's as important an issue as is the Obama record, no??


Highly hypocritical analysis. I'd be here all night if I had to review the same rhetoric we have heard directed toward the liberals and especially Obama.
It's not my responsibility to "define" a candidate.
Having warm fuzzies about a candidate is simply not enough.
Hell, I can't define McCain either....but if you want me to list some problems I have with John McCain and his voting record, just let me know and I'll be glad to provide you with some.
What the hell is going on with you? Have you just appointed yourself the spokesperson for all of the ultra-liberals here? I'm really thinking split personalit here.

[RoBoTeq]

I'm not playing a game at all and I will not be sucked into misdirection.
You provided a list of some of the dumbest sheyt that the internet dredge has to offer and I'm boring?? LOL
If you can't support your rhetorical questions with some definitive answers, I'll leave you alone in your misery.:D
Again, if you don't know about the questions I posted, you are not informed enough to even be participating in this discussion.

You are really starting to remind of a couple of past posters who pulled this kind of bait and switch argumentative posting.

[razorwit]

What the hell is going on with you? Have you just appointed yourself the spokesperson for all of the ultra-liberals here? I'm really thinking split personalit here.

LOL
Your impression of me is of no consequence to me at all and I don't mean that in a bad way. It just isn't.

I am merely being as objective about the statements of others as I can be.
I've never been the type of person who claims to be fair and equitable while cutting people off at the knees for cheap sheyt because they have a different opinion or world view than I have.

[ga-hvac-tech]

For all intents and purposes, Bush IS running for pres.

Well, maybe only 90% of him is.

That, my friend, is no more accurate a statement than to say Obummer is a seasoned politician that has more experience than any of the other folks on the tickets... in other words, you have been sucked in by the media, have been told a lie, and you are believing it.

Sorry, but it is what it is. :eek:

[RoBoTeq]

LOL
Your impression of me is of no consequence to me at all and I don't mean that in a bad way. It just isn't.

I am merely being as objective about the statements of others as I can be.
I've never been the type of person who claims to be fair and equitable while cutting people off at the knees for cheap sheyt because they have a different opinion or world view than I have.
I did nothing but post questions pertaining to easily verifiable facts about Obama. You have done nothing but attack me on a personal level.

[razorwit]

Again, if you don't know about the questions I posted, you are not informed enough to even be participating in this discussion.

You are really starting to remind of a couple of past posters who pulled this kind of bait and switch argumentative posting.

Why should I care who I remind you of?? I mean really. Pull your head out for a minute and listen up.

I fully understand the questions you posted that you failed to answer.
Were they intended to spur some conclusion or do you just think you're Perry Mason?

Give us what you think are the answers to the questions you listed. I'm all ears.

[RoBoTeq]

Why should I care who I remind you of?? I mean really. Pull your head out for a minute and listen up.

I fully understand the questions you posted that you failed to answer.
Were they intended to spur some conclusion or do you just think you're Perry Mason?

Give us what you think are the answers to the questions you listed. I'm all ears.
You really are a boor. The object of the questions is that they are things that Obama has brought to the table that Obama refuses to answer. The answers, which anyone who has any knowledge whatsoever about the subject of Obama, I posted just for you. I no longer believe you are doing anything but stirring the crap pot though, and I don't believe you really have any interest in the answers, just creating crap that would be best to chill out on.

[razorwit]

How have I attacked you personally?
It certainly was not my intention.

Here is your list of questions....

How many states are in the United States?
Was your point to not suggest that Obama did not know...or what? Please enlighten me.

Allah says; Do you think of yourself as a Muslim but claim to be a Christian?
I'm dying to hear your answer on this one.
Has Obama not claimed he is Christian for how many years now?
Why would I assume he is any less Christian than say...you??

When were you born?
What's the deal here?
Are you suggesting he is attempting to fabricate his age??

Was your daddy a goat herder?
This one appears like it came straight from a community talk forum or Veterans Dspatch.
I assume you are of the opinion that his statement is a lie.
If so, please show some proof that his statement is inaccurate and I don't mean "facts" from an OP-ED.

Do you have an uncle who liberated Jews from a concentration camp in WWII?
Obama's uncle was a part of WW2 and it's verifiable that his service included Europe. I'd just like to see something more than an OP-Ed that refutes his statement and proves it's untrue.

How much Black influence is in your genetics? The man is free to define himself as black and ride the black experience all he wants to.
I'd agree that his best support came from the white influences in his life, but I can't speak for the man and neither can anyone else.

Were you a college professor?
More rhetoric and distortion.
Read his statement and the context with which it was supplied.


You are better than this crap Robo.

Let's judge the candidate on factual data and not stuff supplied from racist and hate groups.

And ditto on the boor.
You've shown a different side I didn't know you had.
Adios....and no...I'm not an illegal, I just like the word.:rolleyes:

[andserco]

[QUOTE=razorwit;1989759]

You are better than this crap Robo.



You havent been around very long have ya??...JK..:D..

[RoBoTeq]

[quote=razorwit;1989759]

You are better than this crap Robo.



You havent been around very long have ya??...JK..:D..
I gotta feeling this one has been around before. Notice how he is ignoring that I answered all of those rhetorical questions even though anyone who has been paying even a little attention to Obama's book exerpts and his comments during speeches would know what the questions are about.

[jim a]

It used to be a fear of black helicopters....now it appears they (the fringe) dropped the helicopters from the equation .....judging from the blogs.

[RoBoTeq]

It used to be a fear of black helicopters....now it appears they (the fringe) dropped the helicopters from the equation .....judging from the blogs.
Are you still on planet Earth?

[razorwit]

I gotta feeling this one has been around before. Notice how he is ignoring that I answered all of those rhetorical questions even though anyone who has been paying even a little attention to Obama's book exerpts and his comments during speeches would know what the questions are about.


Your "answers" are not factual.
You give an answer and expect everyone on a conservatively run forum to just agree?

I've tried to have a civil discussion with you.
I've not resorted to attacking you personally as you have claimed.
I'm simply attacking the credibility of some of your statements and rebuttals and asking you to provide more than just your word that the answers to the rhetorical questions you provided are true.

I understand that you cannot. No problem.

[razorwit]

It used to be a fear of black helicopters....now it appears they (the fringe) dropped the helicopters from the equation .....judging from the blogs.

Funny stuff.
I guess you and I are both from a different planet.:p

[acmanko]

Razor 4 Robo 1


Moderate conservatives have a sense of value that cannot be disdained.

[RoBoTeq]

Razor 4 Robo 1


Moderate conservatives have a sense of value that cannot be disdained.
Oh goody; mancow keeping score of a contest that I am not involved in:rolleyes:

It's like arguing with my ex-wife; I have no clue as to what razortwit or the newbie are arguing about. I do realize that they also have no clue but continue to type anyway.

[acmanko]

Oh goody; mancow keeping score of a contest that I am not involved in:rolleyes:

It's like arguing with my ex-wife; I have no clue as to what razortwit or the newbie are arguing about. I do realize that they also have no clue but continue to type anyway. I can't help it. Iknow you love to see your name in print. How does it go? even bad publicity is good publicity.:D

[glennac]

Oh goody; mancow keeping score of a contest that I am not involved in:rolleyes:

It's like arguing with my ex-wife; I have no clue as to what razortwit or the newbie are arguing about. I do realize that they also have no clue but continue to type anyway.

Hey, Hey, Hey this is funny, ace keeping score on posts as to who wins or not. I sure wouldn't want to be the winner in that race. I know the one with the best argument could never win on that one because ace has never won a debate or argument to my knowledge and always goes for the loser whether in politics or in life. You scored big there robo.

[acmanko]

Hey, Hey, Hey this is funny, ace keeping score on posts as to who wins or not. I sure wouldn't want to be the winner in that race. I know the one with the best argument could never win on that one because ace has never won a debate or argument to my knowledge and always goes for the loser whether in politics or in life. You scored big there robo. Good one Frenchy, need I say more;)

[RoBoTeq]

Good one Frenchy, need I say more;)
Right on que. Once again wrong. Just what makes you think that Glenn is a Frenchy?

[acmanko]

Right on que. Once again wrong. Just what makes you think that Glenn is a Frenchy?A white hoodie on superman avatar resembles the French flag or the Russian Bear, and glen barks and whines but he ain't no Bear.

[glennac]

A white hoodie on superman avatar resembles the French flag or the Russian Bear, and glen barks and whines but he ain't no Bear.

With all due respect ace you can never make a sensible or logical argument on anything. Just ramblings from a confused mind who's gray matter is almost wiped out with advanced Alzheimer's at a relatively young age. Either that or the bong pipe has done the same thing.:)

[acmanko]

With all due respect ace you can never make a sensible or logical argument on anything. Just ramblings from a confused mind who's gray matter is almost wiped out with advanced Alzheimer's at a relatively young age. Either that or the bong pipe has done the same thing.:)
This is the internet Glen, you have no idea who you are talking to or if I'm even a real person. You seem to pick your battles and hide behind a referee. Does that seem more French to you?

[mrs reb77]

Oh? Are you a bot or a 13 yr old girl?! :eek: :D

You can't blame Glenn, you're all over the place with your views and we all know its on purpose. You like the attention. ;)

[RoBoTeq]

A white hoodie on superman avatar resembles the French flag or the Russian Bear, and glen barks and whines but he ain't no Bear.
I don't see a white hoody on Glenn's avatar. Are you hallucinating? And even if there were a white hood on Glenn's avatar, why would you associate that with France or Russia? Glenn does bark, but I don't recall ever reading Glenn whining. Glenn does sort of resemble a bear though.

[RoBoTeq]

Oh? Are you a bot or a 13 yr old girl?! :eek: :D

You can't blame Glenn, you're all over the place with your views and we all know its on purpose. You like the attention. ;)
Maybe he's like a goldfish with only a 3 second memory. Sometimes he thinks one way, another time he thinks the opposite way but most times he just isn't thinking at all:rolleyes:

[glennac]

This is the internet Glen, you have no idea who you are talking to or if I'm even a real person. You seem to pick your battles and hide behind a referee. Does that seem more French to you?

I don't report violations to the "referees" but I have pointed out a violation on my post in the past when someone went way to far in violating the rules. I don't engage in "battles" though just having fun debating on this forum.

Look who's talking about picking battles. You kinda dug into robo a little there but he is fair game and a big boy so that's OK just like I shot one across your bow there. touche (how's that for my "French"):)

[acmanko]

I don't report violations to the "referees" but I have pointed out a violation on my post in the past when someone went way to far in violating the rules. I don't engage in "battles" though just having fun debating on this forum.

Look who's talking about picking battles. You kinda dug into robo a little there but he is fair game and a big boy so that's OK just like I shot one across your bow there. touche (how's that for my "French"):) stupendous, farrah jocha

[glennac]

....... farrah jocha

You mind speaking English or at least inform us to what if any recognizable language you are using. Sounds like baby talk or babble to me.:rolleyes:

[RoBoTeq]

stupendous, farrah jocha
Not sure what farrah jocha would refer to. Maybe you are trying to say that Farrah Faucet drinks chocolate coffee, but even in French we don't think you know what you are talking about:p

Now frera jaca fits you a lot more since it asks; are you sleeping, which seems to be most of the time you are posting.

[acmanko]

Not sure what farrah jocha would refer to. Maybe you are trying to say that Farrah Faucet drinks chocolate coffee, but even in French we don't think you know what you are talking about:p

Now frera jaca fits you a lot more since it asks; are you sleeping, which seems to be most of the time you are posting.
so I don't know how to spell french, it sounds the same.

[jim a]

Frere Jacques

[RoBoTeq]

Frere Jacques
I knew if we kept it up long enough we'd flush out one of the real Frenchies on this forum:cool:

[razorwit]

so I don't know how to spell french, it sounds the same.
It's OK ac...some people just take themselves way too seriously.;)

[RoBoTeq]

It's OK ac...some people just take themselves way too seriously.;)
You're right, jim a did take the mispelled French words a bit too seriously;)

[acmanko]

Do you know what Tough sh!t means in French?

[jim a]

lighten up
you wrote farrah jaca
robo corrected you with frera jaca
1 year of h.s. French so I stuck up for you.

this is Kinder and Gentler?

[The Doctor]

lighten up
you wrote farrah jaca
robo corrected you with frera jaca
1 year of h.s. French so I stuck up for you.

this is Kinder and Gentler?LOL, and yes it is. Overall, there's a whole lot of kinder and gentler around here...

There is a large order of freedom fries Pull up to the second window. :D

[acmanko]

well, thats all I can remember of a song the nuns made us sing in the 2nd grade. It has something to do with a field lark.

[RoBoTeq]

lighten up
you wrote farrah jaca
robo corrected you with frera jaca
1 year of h.s. French so I stuck up for you.

this is Kinder and Gentler?
Believe it or not, I had five years of French and could not for the life of me recall any of it:confused:

Oh, I'm kinder and gentler, mancow is more like kinda gentile.

[acmanko]

Believe it or not, I had five years of French and could not for the life of me recall any of it:confused:

Oh, I'm kinder and gentler, mancow is more like kinda gentile. don't you have a job.?

[RoBoTeq]

don't you have a job.?
I've been on the road since 6:30

[acmanko]

I've been on the road since 6:30 typing while driving? be carefull