Sarah WOW great speech

[classical]

This woman is awesome and the Demos are in for a battle; Biden doesn't have a chance in a debate with her.

[The Doctor]

This woman is awesome and the Demos are in for a battle; Biden doesn't have a chance in a debate with her.

He's been around the block a few times, but I think she's going to hold her own. She was right on, eh?

[k-fridge]

Very impressive! She's a winner.

I can't wait for the Monday polls, I predict McCain will again have the lead.

[jmac00]

great job, she is a winner

[classical]

Did you see the youngest girl slicking down her little brothers hair great shot.

[k-fridge]

Did you see the youngest girl slicking down her little brothers hair great shot.
Yeah, she's adorable. Her family is a huge political asset, even with the pregnancy thing.

[Andy Schoen]

Sarah Palin exudes self-confidence, a good trait for a chief executive. My former consternations with McCain and his policies seem to be disappearing. :o Even Ann Coulter seems to be onboard the McCain express. :eek: http://www.anncoulter.com/

[mrs reb77]

I watched it from beginning to end. I have seen no speech given/presented as well as this one this campaign. And I have watched a few.
She was....totally believable. Totally sincere, on the mark, non-preaching and just...on it.

I called and talked to my parents who were also watching the speech and my mom was actually tearing up!

Go girl!

[classical]

She destroyed obama and did it in a very low key way.

[The Doctor]

Oh yeah, they're getting a bounce AND some from that one. That was a great speech. She got a hat trick, and capped off where Huck and Rudy started.

O'Bama is toast.

[classical]

I liked the line The duties of a Mayor are kinda of like an organizer but with responsibilites;take tha obama.

[Wolfer]

Yep, really good speech. She definitely is a strong candidate. The daughter licking her palm and fixing her brothers hair was a catch shot. The hockey mom joke was right on. After all of the smashing her family got this past week, it didn't move her at all.

McCain/Palin

[cool-blew]

Rudy makes a good point about Biden being a step back, and Palin a step in the future! She was awesome!!

And HOT!!!:D

[hearthman]

I think that regardless of who wins this election, we just saw tonight who will be President in 4 yrs. I thought the wrong Dole ran for president awhile back. This lady has the intelligence, poise, integrity and determination to take on the dogs and kick their butts. I think as President, she would bring back a sense of world respect we haven't seen since Reagan. I also think a lot of centrist and even libs are re-thinking her. She is a blue collar, small town hands-on worker. Her husband holds a union card. She did not have a rich family send her to an Ivy League school then get a job at a big law firm with an eye to politics. She backed into it when she didn't like what she saw at the school PTA then later her home town. She is charismatic, eloquent and reeks of plain old honesty. I think she can send a positive message to our young people to believe in their country. As a Christian, I salute her choice to carry her child to term and to support her daughter even when she made a mistake. The correct message is not to condemn the child or mother for Bristol getting pregant but to celebrate a family that rallys and stands together.

I think she is a class act. It's a shame the mudslinging already starting and it will only get worse.

[seatonheating]

Are you guys serious???


A bunch of rehearsed fluff. Going for the cheap applauses and forced family values. Am I the only one that sees through this crap?

[mark beiser]

People talk about how eloquent of a public speaker Obama is, but Palin even beats him in that.

Listen to an Obama speech, count the fillers, "uh" "er" and "um".
Then listen to Palin and count the fillers.

With a teleprompter, Obama's speeches are full of fillers. Without a teleprompter, Obama's speeches are an annoying comedy of fillers.

In the 2 speeches Palin has given since she was announced as the VP candidate, and the few videos I've watched from before, she used fewer fillers all combined than Obama uses in any given 2 minutes of speech...

[Wolfer]

Are you guys serious???


A bunch of rehearsed fluff. Going for the cheap applauses and forced family values. Am I the only one that sees through this crap?

Wait a minute, ARE you serious, With ( i dont mean to bring kids into it but) Obama's daughter on stage and saying "daddy where are you tonight?" You gonna sit here and say that wasnt staged?

There was nothing staged about tonights event, sorry.

[jpb2]

Home run !!! I am not a huge Johnny boy fan but the veep sealed the deal for me tonight

[itsiceman]

My former consternations with McCain and his policies seem to be disappearing. The pressure is all on him now.

I didn't see it live but

did he leave it on a flat note or what?

What a let down after her great job :(

Will see if there's three boobs on the stage tonight :p

[t527ed]

She destroyed obama and did it in a very low key way.


did not think it was that low key.

she pretty much went out there and b!tch slapped obama and his wife for comments they have made in the past........:D

[acmanko]

the speech reaked of a self ordained preacher in a hot tent, telling people what they wanted to hear. hardly sufficient to lead a branch of government

[jmac00]

the speech reaked of a self ordained preacher in a hot tent, telling people what they wanted to hear. hardly sufficient to lead a branch of government

HEY, you want to stay on topic, we're not talking about Obama:rolleyes:

[small change]

I made a point to stay up last night to see the speech give by the Governor elect of Alaska, Mrs Palin.

She did very well, I was inpressed by her poise and her candor.

It was a great first speech however in a very controlled enviorment.

I have to admit I am more open to hearing more from her and more importantly from Sen. McCain this evening.

And look forward to hearing from all the candidates before deciding where my vote goes in November.

[razorwit]

I thought she did a good job explaining her philosophy and who she is.
She is real and that's a breath of fresh air for me.
Doesn't hurt that she's easy on the eyes too.

As far as the debates she has with Biden, it will be interesting to see what tack Joe takes with her.

I certainly don't view her as a shoe-in during a debate with Joe Biden, but we shall see.

[k-fridge]

I thought she did a good job explaining her philosophy and who she is.
She is real and that's a breath of fresh air for me.
Doesn't hurt that she's easy on the eyes too.

As far as the debates she has with Biden, it will be interesting to see what tack Joe takes with her.

I certainly don't view her as a shoe-in during a debate with Joe Biden, but we shall see.

I figure Biden will try and hit her on foreign policy. He's obviously very experienced in that area and it's an important issue with the voters. Now that Sarah is the official VP nominee, she will get her briefings from the intelligence agencies. Hopefully she'll be prepared to take him on. If she can hold her own from a knowledge standpoint, she should handle him well. He'll have to be careful not to be to rough on her, the American people will view that as bullying. Many even thought Hillary was being bullied in the debates.

[fixacr]

Loved it. She came out swinging- exactly what Conservatives need to start doing.

[forged alloy]

Are you guys serious???


A bunch of rehearsed fluff. Going for the cheap applauses and forced family values. Am I the only one that sees through this crap?

The crap you are seeing through is simply the fog that surrounds your mind.:D

Palin 2012. My 1st bumper sticker. Ever.

[Mr Bill]

Wait a minute, ARE you serious, With ( i dont mean to bring kids into it but) Obama's daughter on stage and saying "daddy where are you tonight?" You gonna sit here and say that wasnt staged?

There was nothing staged about tonights event, sorry.

I thought she said are you really my Daddy. :D

[scrogdog]

I think the most important thing is that she appeared confident and genuine.

You know that you've drunk the company kool-aide when you consider the most exciting part of the speech was her mention of geothermal as a future "smart" source of energy. ;)

To be fair, both sides have used this new "buzzword" a number of times. Lately I've gotten more questions about geothermal than anything else in the business from consumer types.

Yeah, up front costs for residential applications can be a bit prohibitive, but on the other hand, we now live in the age of purchusing Prius as a status symbol.

You don't get greener than geo.

[RoBoTeq]

Rudy makes a good point about Biden being a step back, and Palin a step in the future! She was awesome!!

And HOT!!!:D
Yes, Sarah Palin is "awesome and hot"; http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-02-images-sarahpalinbikini.jpg



Now, before anyone gets riled up, this is a doctored photo with only Palin's face belonging to her:cool:

[RoBoTeq]

Are you guys serious???


A bunch of rehearsed fluff. Going for the cheap applauses and forced family values. Am I the only one that sees through this crap?
Yep! All we real red blooded Americans see is this; http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-02-images-sarahpalinbikini.jpg

[Mr Bill]

Hey Robin were is that picture the Hilderbeast sent you personally were she was in her thong? can you post it or did you burn that one? :D :eek:

[RoBoTeq]

the speech reaked of a self ordained preacher in a hot tent, telling people what they wanted to hear. hardly sufficient to lead a branch of government
Ya know, we can bring back the tradition of tarring and feathering a man being railroaded out of town (all the way to Mexico!)....just for you;)

[A/C guy's chick]

Loved her speech and then some. She is real and she will be one on the hill for US not just for her family like the Democrats are. I watched the DNC and it was all about them not the good for the whole country. Said it would change, into what I wonder. More money taken out of my pocket ? More government taken control of my assets ? The RNC is real and for man and women to be safe to know that it has finally came to reach for that glass ceiling for all to break ! Not just for women but all of us. I made my mind up, it's McCain that will get my vote...

[RoBoTeq]

Hey Robin were is that picture the Hilderbeast sent you personally were she was in her thong? can you post it or did you burn that one? :D :eek:
Are you kidding me? That picture burned my eyes out for days and crashed my computer.

[k-fridge]

That pic is photoshopped, I've seen the original.

[Mr Bill]

That pic is photoshopped, I've seen the original.


Yea she probably looks better than that in a bikini, right? :D

[k-fridge]

Yea she probably looks better than that in a bikini, right? :D
Wouldn't surprise me, she ain't bad. ;)

[RoBoTeq]

That pic is photoshopped, I've seen the original.
:DI put that disclaimer at the bottom of my original post;)

[bluestone]

Are you guys serious???


A bunch of rehearsed fluff. Going for the cheap applauses and forced family values. Am I the only one that sees through this crap?

You're kidding right? All speaches are written by others. You can see through that one but you can't see through Obama's contrived tripe, jeez the guy flip flops every other minute depending on what his handlers tell him to say, and with 300 foreign policy advisors no wonder he can't seem to hold a position for 1 day. Leadership by commity

[mrs reb77]

But, but, but--he's going to be President of the World!! :D

[freon500]

so great, ...I can't wait for the next four years!

[mrs reb77]

And it's amazing how much LESS has gotten done in Congress the last TWO YEARS!

[model m-man]

Sarah Palin hit a grand slam! If she desires it and there are no major ghost's from her past, she Will be our first female President no matter how this election plays out. She's a class act & untouchable by normal political tactic's. She's a normal mother facing the same problem's most of us have and mabie a little more so people can identify with her better than any candidate I've ever seen. Any attempt to attack her on anything other than issues will backfire as the media has already seen. Liberals will keep trying it bacause they don't know any other way, but the attempt will only endear her even more to the people.

Sarah Palin - You Go Girl!!!

[Mikeylikesit]

Im 49 years young.

I had begun to think that in my lifetime, I would see no positive change in US Govt.



after listening to and analyzing the speech made last night by Sarah Palin, I again have hope for the future of the United States.


What a brilliant strategic move by the McCain handlers! How can you NOT like her? :D

[Mikeylikesit]

hope its OK to post this here, wanted to throw some "local alaskan" perspective into the mix.....

enjoy!



Subject: Sarah Palin:


From an old Air America buddy in Alaska - actually sent to someone else but Cc'ed to me. DK and WR


And from a Alaska man who is a very serious cynic about all things political here is my take on Sara.

I met and spoke with Sara Palin about two years ago at our downtown Park Strip. It is a place for walking, carnivals, political outdoor things and such. She was cooking hotdogs at a fund raiser and introducing herself to the public as a Governor hopeful.

She came by and said the usual 'Hi, I'm Sara Palin and I am running for Governor'...and I expected her to keep on to the next person but she asked me who I was and what I did in Alaska and we ended up talking for 15 minutes about me, Air America (she was all agog!) and my career in the Army and AAM. She is a pilot (Super Cub) I'm told although all she told me about that was that she loved flying.

As I watched her over the next six months as she successfully ran for Governor I was really impressed. I was impressed greatly even before that after she resigned a good position (Alaska Gas and Oil Regulatory Commission) because a fellow Commission member (Chair of the Alaska Republican Party) misused their office and position. He was using the FAX, computers, printing room and all to promote the Republican endeavors while in a State job. That is a huge no-no in any government employment position.

She resigned and made her point and within weeks Randy Ruderich (the above bad guy) found his ass out on the street and a subsequent investigation found him guilty and he was fined $12,000. Small change actually but a giant point was made.

Next she went after our most horrible Governor ever, Governor Murkowski, and damned if she didn't beat him! All of us here in Alaska, except the Democrats, are sick of our State's corruption. That fact was shouted to the heavens after she was elected with an overwhelming point spread.

After she got into office she started after corrupt legislators and with the FBI's help we've put four of them in prison, indicted six more and the 'Corrupt Bastard's Club' as they arrogantly called themselves (even had hats made with CBC on the front!) suddenly found it no fun anymore. Club membership is now in the toilet!!

The current flap which has cost her a ten point loss of popularity (she's still 82%!) was over firing a popular Commissioner of Public Safety who is responsible for our Alaska State Troopers. She fired him for no STATED reason which was her prerogative as the Gov. He served entirely at her option. She and her whole family had a bad, bad experience with a rogue Trooper who was married to Sara's sister. His name is Trooper Wooten. This dimwit Trooper had threatened Sara's father (death threat!), threatened Sara ('I'll get you too'), tasered his 12 year old stepson, drove drunk in his AST cruiser, got a pass by a fellow Trooper who stopped him for erratic driving a second time while in civvies and just a host of other things not yet released to the public. He got away with it and got another pass by the Commissioner's appointed AST Trooper Internal Affairs investigator with a tiny slap on the wrist. Five days off without pay to be exact!!

This maverick Trooper is still on the payroll but only just. The Union intervening saved his malcontent ass. He'll yet get his I'm sure. Incredible heat is being heaped on the Troopers. Public heat, not the Governors office.

The Democrats had the audacity to appoint a obviously biased investigator, Rep. 'Gunny' French (so called because he lied about being in the USMC while running for the Legislature) is a staunch liberal and under the orders of Senate President Lyda Green who hates Sara. She hates Sara because after being elected Governor Sara told the whole Legislature in one of her first meetings with them that, quote; 'All of you here need some Adult Supervision!!!'. Sara was seriously pissed and not afraid of anyone there.That played wonderfully well with Alaskan's after all of our corruption and after all of her successful battles against a seriously entrenched corrupt government here in Alaska. It pissed off the whole Legislature though! They have stayed pissed but also afraid of her because of her popularity.

She reminds me personally of our Alaska wolverine which will fight anything in it's path if it see's fit to do so. No respect at all for size or position. Wife Cindy is in this category too. Unfortunately.

In closing I must tell you that she is the best, most moral and most focused leader I've seen since President Reagan. I feel, really strongly, that like Alaska the rest of our country will love her within a few weeks. Put simply, she represents middle America like NO leader we've ever had. I think McCain made a totally brilliant move in choosing her. She's a maverick who is probably tougher and more focused than McCain himself....and she won't be a total 'Yes Man' or more appropriately, woman. McCain will love her.

In 2012 she will be President.

My best to all of you in the hurricane belt. I hope you are all OK. We just had another mini Air America reunion here in beautiful Soldotna, Alaska along the Kenai river. Milt Olson, Mike Seal and Ernie Brace (McCains POW buddy) were all here. Ernie's wife, Nancy, is a class act and a wonderful gal. I wish you'd come up and see us. We'll be doing this every year now I guess. Like our Flying Tiger pal's before us there are not that many Air America guys left. I'm 71 myself this September 16. Where the hell did the years go so fast?

My best to you old buddy.

Semper Fi,

[razorwit]

Very good post.
I knew of some of it, but not all.
Nice to read some real facts based on real experiences.
Thanks for that.

[bootlen]

Hey, Mikey. Do I have permission to post that on the local newsrag blog? It'll set the local libs on their heels.

[2cool4us]

With quite a bit of racial degradation tone. Spoke with 2 of my friends who happen to be community leaders and who are also black. The both agreed that the "Billy Joe Bobby" meter was turned way up. The RNC and it's greater majority of members are definitely exclusionary and it shows. And it will hurt them in the poles. :eek:

[hearthman]

"Billy Joe Bobby meter"???? :confused:

So, you are now slamming anyone who is not black as against blacks?
You are hinting that anyone from the South or from a rural heritage is against blacks? :confused::mad:

Exclusionary? What the heck have you been smoking? :rolleyes:

What a total moron and loser. Do the world a favor and jump into a volcano. We don't need idiots like you perpetuating stereotypes and your brand of inverse racism. :mad:

Jerk...

[forged alloy]

With quite a bit of racial degradation tone. Spoke with 2 of my friends who happen to be community leaders and who are also black. The both agreed that the "Billy Joe Bobby" meter was turned way up. The RNC and it's greater majority of members are definitely exclusionary and it shows. And it will hurt them in the poles. :eek:

I think that rather then the RNC being exclusionary to blacks, it is more that the great majority of the black population is exclusionary to the RNC.

Most would welcome them with open arms if they showed an interest.

[acmanko]

I think that rather then the RNC being exclusionary to blacks, it is more that the great majority of the black population is exclusionary to the RNC.

Most would welcome them with open arms if they showed an interest.
we have a comedian:confused:

[mrs reb77]

With quite a bit of racial degradation tone. Spoke with 2 of my friends who happen to be community leaders and who are also black. The both agreed that the "Billy Joe Bobby" meter was turned way up. The RNC and it's greater majority of members are definitely exclusionary and it shows. And it will hurt them in the poles. :eek:

That a pretty ponderous statement (The RNC and it's greater majority of members are definitely exclusionary) without any evidence whatsoever.

What community is it again that you're speaking of? I mean, Detroit is going to be a bit different demographic than say, Wichita.

Billy Joe Bobby meter indeed--that's a pretty broad brush you're using there.

[k-fridge]

"Billy Joe Bobby meter"???? :confused:

So, you are now slamming anyone who is not black as against blacks?
You are hinting that anyone from the South or from a rural heritage is against blacks? :confused::mad:

Exclusionary? What the heck have you been smoking? :rolleyes:

What a total moron and loser. Do the world a favor and jump into a volcano. We don't need idiots like you perpetuating stereotypes and your brand of inverse racism. :mad:

Jerk...
Hearthman,

Welcome to ARP. The rules are a bit different here so I recommend that you read them before posting again. You can see them by clicking at the link in my sig. Insults such as what was used in your post above are not allowed. Please consider this a caution.

ARPC

[k-fridge]

And folks....

Lighten up on the racial stuff please.

[hearthman]

To 2cool4us, I apologize for my response to you. While I strongly disagree with what you posted, I should not have personalized it.

I hope you can understand how inflammatory it is to me to even suggest and I resent the implication that Southerners, rural folks or people of any group whatsoever are, by definition, racists, against blacks or pigeonholed into any group. Even if someone else, such as a black person made such allegations or comments to you, I don't see where it is appropriate to repeat it here. In the case in point, there may be plenty of blacks who generalize that way but there are more and more blacks everyday who have learned to look beyond such bigotry, think for themselves and reject labels on anyone.

Please accept my apology and let's continue this debate in a civil manner recognizing each side and each person is entitled to their opinion.
Hearthman:D

[razorwit]

we have a comedian:confused:

There's nothing humorous about his statement.
It's factually accurate.
Minorities in this country have been dedicated to the DNC for a very long time but that doesn't mean republicans exclude them.

I think the republican party philosophy is what minorities do not care for.

[k-fridge]

Thanks Hearthman, my respects sir.

2 cool, no more racial connotations please.


OK.....Kum Bye Ah my lord....



:p

[acmanko]

There's nothing humorous about his statement.
It's factually accurate.
Minorities in this country have been dedicated to the DNC for a very long time but that doesn't mean republicans exclude them.

I think the republican party philosophy is what minorities do not care for.
well, it is true,most people don't like being stepped on.

[2cool4us]

That a pretty ponderous statement (The RNC and it's greater majority of members are definitely exclusionary) without any evidence whatsoever.

What community is it again that you're speaking of? I mean, Detroit is going to be a bit different demographic than say, Wichita.

Billy Joe Bobby meter indeed--that's a pretty broad brush you're using there.Suburb of Houston, TX. :rolleyes:

[classical]

Suburb of Houston, TX. :rolleyes:

That would be the remaining area of the contiguous United States.

[razorwit]

well, it is true,most people don't like being stepped on.

The best way to avoid being stepped on is to get your a$$ off the ground using your own resources and stop expecting the government to lift you up.;)

[seatonheating]

The best way to avoid being stepped on is to get your a$$ off the ground using your own resources and stop expecting the government to lift you up.;)

So if your next door neighbor hurt himself and couldn't drive himself to the hospital you'd just tell him to suck it up??

Wait, you'd help him because you know him. The republican way. Only help those we know and feel equal to. Screw those who can't help themselves.


Sorry, but this country was founded on people helping each other. No matter the cost, if I can afford to. It's not a mistake that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. It's the elitist attitude that most republicans have.


While you are worrying about what's in your bank account I will be helping my fellow man, thank you very much!

[jmac00]

So if your next door neighbor hurt himself and couldn't drive himself to the hospital you'd just tell him to suck it up??

Wait, you'd help him because you know him. The republican way. Only help those we know and feel equal to. Screw those who can't help themselves.


Sorry, but this country was founded on people helping each other. No matter the cost, if I can afford to. It's not a mistake that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. It's the elitist attitude that most republicans have.


While you are worrying about what's in your bank account I will be helping my fellow man, thank you very much!

no body is saying we won't be happy to help people that deserve a hand up. But I refuse to help those living off the system, I refuse to help people that think there "job" is welfare.

This country was founded by HARD WORKING people that don't look to the government to supply them with a livelihood.

If that's an elitist attitude? well that's okay with me.

[2cool4us]

That would be the remaining area of the contiguous United States.:D:D

[forged alloy]

we have a comedian:confused:

People in a large part are drawn to the republican party through life experience. There is a sociatal issue (pro-life?), economic or militaristic issue that becomes important to a person, and as their eyes open they begin to test former principles and beliefs

Democrats tend to be more indoctrinated in their party. They are taught through the public and private school system, their union halls, and of course the current media and celeb culture. Being republican just isn't "cool" today. The young tend to start out liberal and democratic. The high school republican club will not be well attended.

Prominent and highly educated black American have been drawn to the republican party, and have then been labeled as "Uncle Toms" and other unsavory labels. I am thinking of the Supreme Court, JCOS, SOS to name a few.

It then becomes no surprise that the black culture would avoid affiliation with the RNC. To point to this trend then as a reason for ridicule is yet another cheap talking point which has no basis in fact, and further illustrates how shallow the democratic party really is on true substance.

LOL funny aren't I? What would you expect from a comedian like me.

[RoBoTeq]

With quite a bit of racial degradation tone. Spoke with 2 of my friends who happen to be community leaders and who are also black. The both agreed that the "Billy Joe Bobby" meter was turned way up. The RNC and it's greater majority of members are definitely exclusionary and it shows. And it will hurt them in the poles. :eek:
Race is 90% of the overtone from the Democrats and the media on this election. Most of the racial commentaries have a degrading tone about people like me though; middle aged White male.

[RoBoTeq]

"Billy Joe Bobby meter"???? :confused:

So, you are now slamming anyone who is not black as against blacks?
You are hinting that anyone from the South or from a rural heritage is against blacks? :confused::mad:

Exclusionary? What the heck have you been smoking? :rolleyes:

What a total moron and loser. Do the world a favor and jump into a volcano. We don't need idiots like you perpetuating stereotypes and your brand of inverse racism. :mad:

Jerk...
Inverse racism? Soryy hearthman, while I agree with everything else you stated here, racism is racism and I am seeing more racists spewing desparaging comments about Whities in this election then I would hear while having beers in all Black bars in Baltimore.

[RoBoTeq]

I think that rather then the RNC being exclusionary to blacks, it is more that the great majority of the black population is exclusionary to the RNC.

Most would welcome them with open arms if they showed an interest.
Less liberal Black Americans across the nation who are politically inclined are finding comfort in the Republican Party. As much as 15 years ago I worked on a campaign in Baltimore to get Ella White Campbell, a Black community leader, elected to unseat a White Democrat who was using race to rearrange political bounderies in Maryland counties. The Republican Party works very well with Black Americans who are not extreme leftists.

We need to keep in mind that the Republican Party was formed in order to fight for the Abolitionist movement.

[acmanko]

Less liberal Black Americans across the nation who are politically inclined are finding comfort in the Republican Party. As much as 15 years ago I worked on a campaign in Baltimore to get Ella White Campbell, a Black community leader, elected to unseat a White Democrat who was using race to rearrange political bounderies in Maryland counties. The Republican Party works very well with Black Americans who are not extreme leftists.

We need to keep in mind that the Republican Party was formed in order to fight for the Abolitionist movement.
no it was not, it was formed for the rail and land barons of the 19th century to keep scot irish immigrants from being more than indentured slaves.

[RoBoTeq]

There's nothing humorous about his statement.
It's factually accurate.
Minorities in this country have been dedicated to the DNC for a very long time but that doesn't mean republicans exclude them.

I think the republican party philosophy is what minorities do not care for.
Concise and to the point. I agree.

[RoBoTeq]

So if your next door neighbor hurt himself and couldn't drive himself to the hospital you'd just tell him to suck it up??

Wait, you'd help him because you know him. The republican way. Only help those we know and feel equal to. Screw those who can't help themselves.


Sorry, but this country was founded on people helping each other. No matter the cost, if I can afford to. It's not a mistake that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. It's the elitist attitude that most republicans have.


While you are worrying about what's in your bank account I will be helping my fellow man, thank you very much!
You actually posted the proper solution to problems with Americans who are down and out. You properly stated that it should be up to our neighbors, friends, associates and local organizations to help us when we are down. Only those closer to us individually can do a proper job in helping us in ways we actually need help. Some beaurocrat in DC has no clue what a disrought family in Iowa or Maine or Florida or New Mexico are going through.

We need to get the Federal government to back out of social programs so the local organizations can start doing their jobs properly once again. All that can come from the Feds is a small portion of the money they take from all American citizens through taxation. Feds cannot provide moral and/or spiritual guidance. Feds cannot hug those in need of human contact. Feds only make the down and out dependant on money being given to them. This is a terrible way to create jobs for beaurocratic thinking individuals who most times couldn't be hired by WalMart.

[RoBoTeq]

no it was not, it was formed for the rail and land barons of the 19th century to keep scot irish immigrants from being more than indentured slaves.
More fractured history by assymancow? You want to try to defend this idiotic accusation or concede that you just made it up?


When the Republican Party was created, the two major parties in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) were the Democratic Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) and the Whig Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)). The Republican Party was created in 1854 in opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas-Nebraska_Act) that would have allowed the expansion of slavery into Kansas. The Republican activists denounced the act as proof of the power of the Slave Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Power)—the powerful class of southern slaveholders who were conspiring to control the federal government and to spread slavery nationwide. The name "Republican" gained such favor in 1854 because "republicanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism_in_the_United_States)" was the paramount political value the new party meant to uphold. The party founders adopted the name "Republican" to indicate it was the carrier of "republican" beliefs about civic virtue, and opposition to aristocracy and corruption.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_Republican_Party#cite_not e-0) The name had been in previous use by Jeffersonians, Jacksonians, and nationalists.

Besides opposition to slavery, the new party put forward a progressive vision of modernizing the United States—emphasizing higher education, banking, railroads, industry and cities, while promising free homesteads to farmers. They vigorously argued that free-market labor was superior to slavery and the very foundation of civic virtue and true American values—this is the "Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Men" ideology explored by historian Eric Foner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Foner).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_Republican_Party#cite_not e-1)

[freon500]

but, since it is being used for that purpose I'll put in my two cents.

To be a Republican, the way the Republican party has morphed since the second world war,
you either have to work for the defense industry, be some sort of religious yahoo, or be really wealthy. If you make less than 250K a year it's kind of stupid to be a Republican.
Those who make over 250K are the ones who really make out with the tax breaks the rest of us end up paying a disproportionate amount of regressive taxes and use tolls which are increasing a lot in every municipality and state in the U. S. with the exception of Alaska wich is awash with oil money.

If you make your money from making weapons for present and future wars you are a Republican because the Republicans are big on spending BIG money on weapons systems, you vote for your defense industry related job

If your preacher is telling you it is God's calling to go kill the infidels to protect yourself and your faith and your freedom then you vote Republican because you are filled with fear and hatred.

Or maybe you are a Republican because of the macho gun toting image, Republicans are not macho, just look at Bush, look at him, the guy is a wimp, or maybe you are a Republican because you think some of that wealth is going to rub off on you,...it's not.

Get real, get with it, vote Democrat.

[jmac00]

but, since it is being used for that purpose I'll put in my two cents.

To be a Republican, the way the Republican party has morphed since the second world war,
you either have to work for the defense industry, be some sort of religious yahoo, or be really wealthy. If you make less than 250K a year it's kind of stupid to be a Republican.
Those who make over 250K are the ones who really make out with the tax breaks the rest of us end up paying a disproportionate amount of regressive taxes and use tolls which are increasing a lot in every municipality and state in the U. S. with the exception of Alaska wich is awash with oil money.

If you make your money from making weapons for present and future wars you are a Republican because the Republicans are big on spending BIG money on weapons systems, you vote for your defense industry related job

If your preacher is telling you it is God's calling to go kill the infidels to protect yourself and your faith and your freedom then you vote Republican because you are filled with fear and hatred.

Or maybe you are a Republican because of the macho gun toting image, Republicans are not macho, just look at Bush, look at him, the guy is a wimp, or maybe you are a Republican because you think some of that wealth is going to rub off on you,...it's not.

Get real, get with it, vote Democrat.

omg, this quite possibly the dumbest post yet :rolleyes: Congratulations :confused::eek::(

[Mikeylikesit]

but, since it is being used for that purpose I'll put in my two cents.

To be a Republican, the way the Republican party has morphed since the second world war,
you either have to work for the defense industry, be some sort of religious yahoo, or be really wealthy. If you make less than 250K a year it's kind of stupid to be a Republican.
Those who make over 250K are the ones who really make out with the tax breaks the rest of us end up paying a disproportionate amount of regressive taxes and use tolls which are increasing a lot in every municipality and state in the U. S. with the exception of Alaska wich is awash with oil money.

If you make your money from making weapons for present and future wars you are a Republican because the Republicans are big on spending BIG money on weapons systems, you vote for your defense industry related job

If your preacher is telling you it is God's calling to go kill the infidels to protect yourself and your faith and your freedom then you vote Republican because you are filled with fear and hatred.

Or maybe you are a Republican because of the macho gun toting image, Republicans are not macho, just look at Bush, look at him, the guy is a wimp, or maybe you are a Republican because you think some of that wealth is going to rub off on you,...it's not.

Get real, get with it, vote Democrat.


Im a Republican because I am a conservative, patriotic AMERICAN, sir......so I take offense at your attempt to bash us.
why not use the gifts that god gave every man and woman to get off yer a$$ and make something of yourself instead of waiting for a handout from the government?
(not directed at the poster personally, but more towards the Dems in general)

[k-fridge]

This is not a forum for political discussion,

Actually it is.

America
Religion
Politics

[forged alloy]

omg, this quite possibly the dumbest post yet :rolleyes: Congratulations :confused::eek::(

He's not stupid or dumb, just indoctrinated.

I see it in many democrat friends. The minds are truly closed, all they have is their insults, labels and talking points.

It is sad to me. Republicans are the ones who are constantly looking inward and questioning their own beliefs and leaders. Not the Democrats. They march to their party line, right off the cliff.

[razorwit]

no body is saying we won't be happy to help people that deserve a hand up.


EXACTLY!
A "hand up" is different from a "hand out".

Apparently, seaton believes that all these poor people sucking up government entitlements are incapable of helping themselves and the taxpayer must bear the burden for their laziness.:confused:?

How does over taxing corporate entities(the largest taxpayer base already) and people who drive the economy and pay the salaries help this country?
It doesn't. It helps secure votes and that's all it does.

The republican party was founded on the priciples of fairness and equality for all people but they do not promote class warfare like the democrats do just to get elected.

[bootlen]

"This is not a forum for political discussion,..."


Actually it is.

America
Religion
Politics


LOL! Who posted THAT?

[andserco]

but, since it is being used for that purpose I'll put in my two cents.

To be a Republican, the way the Republican party has morphed since the second world war,
you either have to work for the defense industry, be some sort of religious yahoo, or be really wealthy. If you make less than 250K a year it's kind of stupid to be a Republican.
Those who make over 250K are the ones who really make out with the tax breaks the rest of us end up paying a disproportionate amount of regressive taxes and use tolls which are increasing a lot in every municipality and state in the U. S. with the exception of Alaska wich is awash with oil money.

If you make your money from making weapons for present and future wars you are a Republican because the Republicans are big on spending BIG money on weapons systems, you vote for your defense industry related job

If your preacher is telling you it is God's calling to go kill the infidels to protect yourself and your faith and your freedom then you vote Republican because you are filled with fear and hatred.

Or maybe you are a Republican because of the macho gun toting image, Republicans are not macho, just look at Bush, look at him, the guy is a wimp, or maybe you are a Republican because you think some of that wealth is going to rub off on you,...it's not.

Get real, get with it, vote Democrat.

Sir, All I can say is WOW. you dont a clue do ya?.............

[razorwit]

Sir, All I can say is WOW. you dont a clue do ya?.............

LOL
Yeah, that is pretty bad isn't it?
Unfortunately, he's a perfect reason why Obama gets votes and a perfect candidate for a frontal lobotomy.:p

Huckabee said it best when he mentioned that he was not born wealthy but was moved to join the republican party because he aspired to be wealthy.

[bootlen]

but, since it is being used for that purpose I'll put in my two cents.

To be a Republican, the way the Republican party has morphed since the second world war,
you either have to work for the defense industry, be some sort of religious yahoo, or be really wealthy. If you make less than 250K a year it's kind of stupid to be a Republican.
Those who make over 250K are the ones who really make out with the tax breaks the rest of us end up paying a disproportionate amount of regressive taxes and use tolls which are increasing a lot in every municipality and state in the U. S. with the exception of Alaska wich is awash with oil money.

If you make your money from making weapons for present and future wars you are a Republican because the Republicans are big on spending BIG money on weapons systems, you vote for your defense industry related job

If your preacher is telling you it is God's calling to go kill the infidels to protect yourself and your faith and your freedom then you vote Republican because you are filled with fear and hatred.

Or maybe you are a Republican because of the macho gun toting image, Republicans are not macho, just look at Bush, look at him, the guy is a wimp, or maybe you are a Republican because you think some of that wealth is going to rub off on you,...it's not.

Get real, get with it, vote Democrat.

Jokes belong here: Jokes, Quotations, Humor, Wisdom Pills

[2cool4us]

but, since it is being used for that purpose I'll put in my two cents.

To be a Republican, the way the Republican party has morphed since the second world war,
you either have to work for the defense industry, be some sort of religious yahoo, or be really wealthy. If you make less than 250K a year it's kind of stupid to be a Republican.
Those who make over 250K are the ones who really make out with the tax breaks the rest of us end up paying a disproportionate amount of regressive taxes and use tolls which are increasing a lot in every municipality and state in the U. S. with the exception of Alaska wich is awash with oil money.

If you make your money from making weapons for present and future wars you are a Republican because the Republicans are big on spending BIG money on weapons systems, you vote for your defense industry related job

If your preacher is telling you it is God's calling to go kill the infidels to protect yourself and your faith and your freedom then you vote Republican because you are filled with fear and hatred.

Or maybe you are a Republican because of the macho gun toting image, Republicans are not macho, just look at Bush, look at him, the guy is a wimp, or maybe you are a Republican because you think some of that wealth is going to rub off on you,...it's not.

Get real, get with it, vote Democrat.Articulated very well. Should label this as "PRIMER 101 for Republicans who don't have the BIG picture". :eek::D:D:eek:


BTW: This a POLITICAL forum.

[2cool4us]

Hits Home. :eek::eek::cool:


http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/05/community-organizers-strike-back/?icid=200100397x1209015975x1200524403

[classical]

Hits Home. :eek::eek::cool:


http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/05/community-organizers-strike-back/?icid=200100397x1209015975x1200524403

You get information from that imbecilic website; that site is the epitome of why we have such an uninformed electorate.

In addition if you really think freon makes since and has a realistic overview of the Republican party that is a sad reflection of your intellect.

Yes the Republican hierarchy may be out of touch with the world b but certainly not nearly so as the Democrats. However the Republican base and lower level party officials have come back to the true GOP belief system. The party is coming back to its roots at the roots and Sarah is the best example of this.

In Texas we have been flushing out the RHINOS starting with the last state wide election and continuing to the current cycles.

[2cool4us]

You get information from that imbecilic website; that site is the epitome of why we have such an uninformed electorate.

In addition if you really think freon makes since and has a realistic overview of the Republican party that is a sad reflection of your intellect.

Yes the Republican hierarchy may be out of touch with the world b but certainly not nearly so as the Democrats. However the Republican base and lower level party officials have come back to the true GOP belief system. The party is coming back to its roots at the roots and Sarah is the best example of this.

In Texas we have been flushing out the RHINOS starting with the last state wide election and continuing to the current cycles.The hierarchy of the republican party is out of touch lies soley in the fact that they represent the ultrarich and highly connected to power. Their sole purpose is to continue placing the major tax burden on the middle class to keep them repressed. O did claim in his speech and at other venues that he would seek taxes upon anyone making over 250,000.00 per year. Now that sounds like a plan I can live with. :D:cool::D

[mrs reb77]

What flavor is your kool-aid?

[classical]

The hierarchy of the republican party is out of touch lies soley in the fact that they represent the ultrarich and highly connected to power. Their sole purpose is to continue placing the major tax burden on the middle class to keep them repressed. O did claim in his speech and at other venues that he would seek taxes upon anyone making over 250,000.00 per year. Now that sounds like a plan I can live with. :D:cool::D

Did you also listen closely enough to gleam where else he would take tax money? If you truly think the Democrats are the working mans friends that is a shame and doesn't say much for your cognitive abilities.

The assertion that the Republican party is only for the rich is also absurd, the Bush tax reductions of 2001 WAS FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS not the rich. At the time my wife and I made in excess of $100,000 per year and we did not receive a tax reduction like every one below that level did.

Quit drinking the kool aid son and get a clue the Democrats are lying to you.

[2cool4us]

What flavor is your kool-aid?Did I state something that makes you feel uncomfortable?:eek: Come on reb, spit it out.:rolleyes::D

[mrs reb77]

Naw, I just can't believe that an adult who professes to be intelligent can spout such stuff so, must be something in whatever it is you're drinking...;)

[mrs reb77]

I've heard my in-laws spout that rich crap about Republicans for years. Funny how my folks aren't rich and neither are we and we all were affected by the Bush Tax cut. :o
(and so were my in-laws ;) but they only biatched about it not being enough!)

[2cool4us]

Fact 1. Republicans are vested quite heavily in the upper strata of most corporatIons.
Fact 2. Democrats comprise a vast amount of the middle working class.
Fact 3. As demonstrated by a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT , by putting money in the hands of the working class the economy is stimulated.
Fact 4. Fact 1 personnas don't believe this. They want the tax burden off them and placed on the working class. The also believe that obscene untaxed excess taxes are good for the economy. In reference, the BIG OIL last quarterly profits. Even other large corporations such as Airlines are going bankrupt because of these extensive price gougings on fuel. :eek::eek::eek::eek:

The Republicans are very up front about their elitist aspirations concerning the economy.:rolleyes::eek::rolleyes:

Dear Classical, I know you pick up the Houston paper every morning just like I do, and read about the layoffs at Continental and others. :rolleyes:

[mark beiser]

Their sole purpose is to continue placing the major tax burden on the middle class to keep them repressed.

Maybe we have a difference of understanding just what the "middle class" is.

By "middle class", do mean the top 5% of taxpayers, who pay 50% of all taxes? :confused:

[acmanko]

$300,000.00 for a dress. just what we need

[classical]

Fact 1. Republicans are vested quite heavily in the upper strata of most corporatIons.
Fact 2. Democrats comprise a vast amount of the middle working class.
Fact 3. As demonstrated by a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT , by putting money in the hands of the working class the economy is stimulated.
Fact 4. Fact 1 personnas don't believe this. They want the tax burden off them and placed on the working class. The also believe that obscene untaxed excess taxes are good for the economy. In reference, the BIG OIL last quarterly profits. Even other large corporations such as Airlines are going bankrupt because of these extensive price gougings on fuel. :eek::eek::eek::eek:

The Republicans are very up front about their elitist aspirations concerning the economy.:rolleyes::eek::rolleyes:

Dear Classical, I know you pick up the Houston paper every morning just like I do, and read about the layoffs at Continental and others. :rolleyes:

The fact that you read and believe the Chronicle explains a lot. I haven’t read that rag since they absorbed the Post.

Cool your facts are just wrong, first Democrats are just as vested if not more so than the Republicans.

Republicans represents just as much of the middle class as the Democrats are the split would not be so close to 50/50.

Third you just proved that the tax cuts went to the middle class not the rich. Regardless in order for the economy to remain stimulated the business community must have incentives to create jobs and not keep their money locked away in bank accounts. Increasing the tax rate on capital gains and windfall profits will cripple the economy. This is exactly what Obama and his cronies wish to do.

Fourth please; do you know how much the big American oil companies paid in taxes last year? One hell of a lot more than they made in profits not to mention how much the Fed captured in taxes on the fuel we purchased; for instance bug bad EXXON MOBIL made $50,000,000 in profits and paid almost triple that in taxes with only an 8% profit margin. If I tried to run my business at an 8% margin I would not be in business long.

The Airlines are doing poorly because they over expanded due to deregulation and they have to adjust and yes fuel prices are detrimental to their growth. Laying the blame for high fuel cost at the feet of the Republican Party is just absurd the problem lies greatly on the shoulders of the Democrats primarily the far left nuts but also on the Republican leaders. Consider it is not just an American problem look at historic fuels prices worldwide; the Greeks were paying over $3.00 a gal in 1978 and the Germans were very close to that price. These counties are now paying from $8.00 to $14.00 per gal. Is this a result of our Republican leadership; I don’t think so.

Fortunately for the country McCain has seen the light and Palin is way out on the leading edge of truly beneficial measure to address fuel prices and energy dependence.

Cool I don’t know how old you are or anything else but I strongly suggest that you do some serious study and stay away from wacky blogs like propeller, or dailykos etc. You are being seriously mislead as are many others and in the long run our country will be much the worse for it.

[classical]

$300,000.00 for a dress. just what we need

So what her family earned that money honestly and she does a great deal of good with her money. Is this any worse than Oprah wearing sunglasses with Barrack spelled out in diamonds. Or is it worse than the Clintons making hundreds of millions of dollars since they left the White House; if anything that is a shameful commentary on the Democratic Party.

Whatever Cindy McCain wears is her business, her family business was started and grown but her father who came back from WWII and made good; that is the American way is it not.

[classical]

Consider this with Russia on the verge of regaining or attempting to regain their former prominence in Europe and Asia do you really want a do nothing like Obama in charge of our military and foreign policy. Man that scares me more than anything else I can consider. As Sarah said in her speech the Russians want control of the Caucuses to control the flow of oil and CNG to Europe. What happens to the world if they gain control of Western Europe and the old Warsaw pact nations? I can tell you this Nation is in very serious trouble and Barrack nor Biden would have a clue how to proceed. Granted Palin would be less able to deal with it than McCain but I feel better than the other side.

[bootlen]

Whatever Cindy McCain wears is her business, her family business was started and grown but her father who came back from WWII and made good; that is the American way is it not.

Sure is, Al. But it is NOT the Dem Lib way...is it 2cool?

[2cool4us]

Sure is, Al. But it is NOT the Dem Lib way...is it 2cool?If someone has the money to buy what they desire I really don't have a problem with it. In this display of extravegance, it's exudes unsound leadership skills. It certainly enforces the facade of the MCain's being out of touch with the reality of today's typical American voter. It brings the quote "Let them eat cake" into a modern day political arena perspective. If memory serves me correctly in my advanced years of my fifties, the Royals lost their heads at the start of the French Revolution. We need a Revolution in America today. :rolleyes::rolleyes::cool:

[glennac]

If someone has the money to buy what they desire I really don't have a problem with it. In this display of extravegance, it's exudes unsound leadership skills. It certainly enforces the facade of the MCain's being out of touch with the reality of today's typical American voter. It brings the quote "Let them eat cake" into a modern day political arena perspective. If memory serves me correctly in my advanced years of my fifties, the Royals lost their heads at the start of the French Revolution. We need a Revolution in America today. :rolleyes::rolleyes::cool:

I have been fully aware of your communist leanings and you have just confirmed them in spades. Actually to support the Democratic ticket wholeheartedly as you appear to do without reservations in my opinion you would have to be a confirmed communist or at least a die hard socialist but with your phrase of the French Revolution I would have to say communist more than socialist in my opinion from what I see.:eek:

[razorwit]

$300,000.00 for a dress. just what we need
Has nothing to do with "your needs".
It's her money and she's entitled to spend it the way she chooses.
You certainly don't gripe at all about the people in this country who have no problem spending someone else's money, so why would you have a problem with someone spending their own?
And you profess to be an open market capitalist?
What's wrong with you?

[classical]

If someone has the money to buy what they desire I really don't have a problem with it. In this display of extravegance, it's exudes unsound leadership skills. It certainly enforces the facade of the MCain's being out of touch with the reality of today's typical American voter. It brings the quote "Let them eat cake" into a modern day political arena perspective. If memory serves me correctly in my advanced years of my fifties, the Royals lost their heads at the start of the French Revolution. We need a Revolution in America today. :rolleyes::rolleyes::cool:

Well if you are in your 50's and hold the belief system you do it means you don't reason well. It also tells me you have not advanced far in your career are not in management or a business owner.

It is unfathomable to me how a reasonably intelligent adult in the business world can hold your beliefs.

You really think it is unconscionable for Cindy McCain to have worn that dress, but you see no problem with Oprah’s glasses that is very sad. It also makes you unworthy of further discussions because your reasoning is imprecise and unreasonable.

[2cool4us]

I have been fully aware of your communist leanings and you have just confirmed them in spades. Actually to support the Democratic ticket wholeheartedly as you appear to do without reservations in my opinion you would have to be a confirmed communist or at least a die hard socialist but with your phrase of the French Revolution I would have to say communist more than socialist in my opinion from what I see.:eek:It's just something from Jr. High. :eek: Communist-Never: Socialist-A far stretch: I use my own discernment in making voting decisions. I'll vote almost exclusively on how it will affect my own economical situation, long term and short term. Both sides have skanks in the #1 spot. :cool:

[razorwit]

If someone has the money to buy what they desire I really don't have a problem with it. In this display of extravegance, it's exudes unsound leadership skills.
WTF?? It's not just a matter of having the money to buy something they "desire". Good grief man, are you for real? Apparently, you have less than a rudimentary understanding of the basics of a capitalist economy and what makes it tick.
Are you aware of the tax burden on the corporations and the "wealthy" that drive our economy?
If you take the water out of their bucket, what do you think happens to the middle class people who they pay and the lower class people who their tax funding supports??

It certainly enforces the facade of the MCain's being out of touch with the reality of today's typical American voter. It brings the quote "Let them eat cake" into a modern day political arena perspective. If memory serves me correctly in my advanced years of my fifties, the Royals lost their heads at the start of the French Revolution. We need a Revolution in America today. :rolleyes::rolleyes::cool:
The only facade here is the one that has the democrats rhetoric pulling the wool tightly over your eyes.
They are promoting class warfare by pitting rich against the rest because they have done the math to get the votes they need.
The reality is that any and all tax cuts, whether for the wealthy or not, stimulate growth and confidence in a free market. Why discourage tax breaks for anyone??
I'll tell you why......CLASS WARFARE.

It's amazing to me that I still observe people as old as you who cling to socialist ideals because they have no fundamental understanding of how our economy works and what allows it to thrive....unless they need to buy something they "desire".:rolleyes:

[glennac]

It's just something from Jr. High. :eek: Communist-Never: Socialist-A far stretch: I use my own discernment in making voting decisions. I'll vote almost exclusively on how it will affect my own economical situation, long term and short term. Both sides have skanks in the #1 spot. :cool:

I hope for your sake that is true but you have to realize that if you scratch Obama's skin you will find a real Red to the core.

[2cool4us]

Well if you are in your 50's and hold the belief system you do it means you don't reason well. It also tells me you have not advanced far in your career are not in management or a business owner.

It is unfathomable to me how a reasonably intelligent adult in the business world can hold your beliefs.

You really think it is unconscionable for Cindy McCain to have worn that dress, but you see no problem with Oprah’s glasses that is very sad. It also makes you unworthy of further discussions because your reasoning is imprecise and unreasonable.I only speculate in real estate or the stock market to have someting to do. :cool: My wife is my only BOSS! :D


BTW: The Democrats have their fair share of obscene opulence. Oprah is not a healthy image for the Democrats to shove out front. :cool:

[2cool4us]

I hope for your sake that is true but you have to realize that if you scratch Obama's skin you will find a real Red to the core.Of them; Dems and Repubs that are running for office have an evil underlying sub-agenda that are purposely driven by a myriad of equally self-centered people who either have or want to gain power. . :confused::eek:

[2cool4us]

It's amazing to me that I still observe people as old as you who cling to socialist ideals because they have no fundamental understanding of how our economy works and what allows it to thrive....unless they need to buy something they "desire".:rolleyes:My wife shops at Dillards and Victorias Secret and I consider this over the top even though I can well afford it. The benefits are great, even though a decent Dooney purse is 300.00. :eek::D:eek:

[2cool4us]

The only facade here is the one that has the democrats rhetoric pulling the wool tightly over your eyes.
They are promoting class warfare by pitting rich against the rest because they have done the math to get the votes they need.
The reality is that any and all tax cuts, whether for the wealthy or not, stimulate growth and confidence in a free market. Why discourage tax breaks for anyone??
I'll tell you why......CLASS WARFARE.With the ultra rich steadily gaining on the amount of control they exude over all resources of our country with their political party paving the way for it to happen, readjustment or as you have put it "CLASS WARFARE" needs to take place in a democratic"not the party" fashion.

[freon500]

I am very happy that overseers of HVAC-Talk are allowing posts from different political views. This means a great deal to me as an American who supports our first amendment rights of free speech. I will be contributing money for the first time to HVAC-Talk because this is a great blog and they are doing the right thing not only on this issue but over all and most importantly on the help they provide on the technical and business side of our trade .

[mrs reb77]

To the best of my knowledge, contribution to conversations here have always been welcomed from all sides of the issues. As long as the discourse is courteous and civil.

Also, I don't think h-talk takes donations. You will have to send your money directly to the contributors on the site. My e-mail address is in my profile and I do take pay-pal! :D

[jpb2]

Mrs reb is a lib. send her your donations :)




Jk

[mrs reb77]

Oh yeah, everybody here knows I am a lib through and through. :D


Don't send your donations to jpb2, he's on the side of 'The Man'! ;)

[jpb2]

lol hope all is well up north


Kids are going to the shooting range tomorrow with me. Bet a lib is in charge not




Bunch of people not committed to freedom is a huge problem

[mrs reb77]

Have fun there! Dove season just started so we're getting our practice in! :)

[razorwit]

My wife shops at Dillards and Victorias Secret and I consider this over the top even though I can well afford it. The benefits are great, even though a decent Dooney purse is 300.00. :eek::D:eek:

My wife shops everywhere and I feel blessed that she doesn't have to wait in line for a social handout or a loaf of bread.:p:D
I'm a capitalist through and through and I believe that less activist goverment benefits us all....except those that aren't willing to try and be self sufficient.;)

[jpb2]

no row crops down here yet. Doves are scarce

[RoBoTeq]

but, since it is being used for that purpose I'll put in my two cents.

To be a Republican, the way the Republican party has morphed since the second world war,
you either have to work for the defense industry, be some sort of religious yahoo, or be really wealthy. If you make less than 250K a year it's kind of stupid to be a Republican.
Those who make over 250K are the ones who really make out with the tax breaks the rest of us end up paying a disproportionate amount of regressive taxes and use tolls which are increasing a lot in every municipality and state in the U. S. with the exception of Alaska wich is awash with oil money.

If you make your money from making weapons for present and future wars you are a Republican because the Republicans are big on spending BIG money on weapons systems, you vote for your defense industry related job

If your preacher is telling you it is God's calling to go kill the infidels to protect yourself and your faith and your freedom then you vote Republican because you are filled with fear and hatred.

Or maybe you are a Republican because of the macho gun toting image, Republicans are not macho, just look at Bush, look at him, the guy is a wimp, or maybe you are a Republican because you think some of that wealth is going to rub off on you,...it's not.

Get real, get with it, vote Democrat.
For being so well written, this has got to be one of the most uniformed responses I believe I have ever read on this site.

First and foremost, ARP stands for America, Religion and Politics, so yes; this is a proper forum for this discussion.

As for the rest of the rhetoric, I am a Republican and don't fit any of your idiotic criteria. There is no way I could ever vote for the types of politicians the Democrats have been putting up lately. The last Democrat I identified with was Lieberman, and look what happened to him.

[RoBoTeq]

Fact 1. Republicans are vested quite heavily in the upper strata of most corporatIons.
Fact 2. Democrats comprise a vast amount of the middle working class.
Fact 3. As demonstrated by a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT , by putting money in the hands of the working class the economy is stimulated.
Fact 4. Fact 1 personnas don't believe this. They want the tax burden off them and placed on the working class. The also believe that obscene untaxed excess taxes are good for the economy. In reference, the BIG OIL last quarterly profits. Even other large corporations such as Airlines are going bankrupt because of these extensive price gougings on fuel. :eek::eek::eek::eek:

The Republicans are very up front about their elitist aspirations concerning the economy.:rolleyes::eek::rolleyes:

Dear Classical, I know you pick up the Houston paper every morning just like I do, and read about the layoffs at Continental and others. :rolleyes:
These are all manufactured statistics. I hope you are just reiterating the bs of others and not the archetect of such crap. There are just as many rich liberals as there are rich conservatives which is exactly why our elections have been so close in latter years.

Being rich is a whole different class then being liberal or conservative. Republican or Democrat, the ultra rich are going to be pulling most of the strings and those strings are going to be tied to benefits for themselves.

[jpb2]

Freon and 2 cool, I wonder what your actual beliefs are and if you truly understand the principals of what this great nation is founded on.

[whec720]

Are you a shop steward?:p:D

[seatonheating]

These are all manufactured statistics. I hope you are just reiterating the bs of others and not the archetect of such crap. There are just as many rich liberals as there are rich conservatives which is exactly why our elections have been so close in latter years.

Being rich is a whole different class then being liberal or conservative. Republican or Democrat, the ultra rich are going to be pulling most of the strings and those strings are going to be tied to benefits for themselves.


Hate to break the news Robo, but they aren't the same. Most, and I repeat most, republicans will let you know they have money. It is what they crave, it is the single most important thing to them.

Most liberals....again, I say most. May have money, they may not. The thing is, you wouldn't know it with "most" of them. They don't care. They mostly care about the simple things. Living a good life without the incredible fear of not having material possessions.

Too many republicans are so afraid that they won't have what society has taught them they "need". Others are stepped on who get in the way of this ridiculous craving for the "finer" things in life.

What is fine to them, and fine to me, are two different things. They want a Saab. I want a reliable, practical rig. They want jewelry. I want relaxation. They want a big house. I want somewhere to prop my feet up.......

The bottom line is. Wealth does different things to different people. It's just that republicans are much higher maintenance. You must admit.

[bootlen]

Hate to break the news Robo, but they aren't the same. Most, and I repeat most, republicans will let you know they have money. It is what they crave, it is the single most important thing to them.

Most liberals....again, I say most. May have money, they may not. The thing is, you wouldn't know it with "most" of them. They don't care. They mostly care about the simple things. Living a good life without the incredible fear of not having material possessions.

Too many republicans are so afraid that they won't have what society has taught them they "need". Others are stepped on who get in the way of this ridiculous craving for the "finer" things in life.

What is fine to them, and fine to me, are two different things. They want a Saab. I want a reliable, practical rig. They want jewelry. I want relaxation. They want a big house. I want somewhere to prop my feet up.......

The bottom line is. Wealth does different things to different people. It's just that republicans are much higher maintenance. You must admit.

And what Republicans want, they work hard for. And Democrats want to take the Republican's money away and give to those who don't work. Don't you see anything wrong with that?

[razorwit]

It's hilarious to read seaton's charachterization of republicans and democrats, how they think, and what their value system is.


I could take any number of people from both parties and put them into either of his shallow compartment of stereotypes regardless of their politics and I guarantee you he could not distinguish one from the other.

Simply and unabashedly..... clueless.

[whec720]

Hate to break the news Robo, but they aren't the same. Most, and I repeat most, republicans will let you know they have money. It is what they crave, it is the single most important thing to them.

Most liberals....again, I say most. May have money, they may not. The thing is, you wouldn't know it with "most" of them. They don't care. They mostly care about the simple things. Living a good life without the incredible fear of not having material possessions.

Too many republicans are so afraid that they won't have what society has taught them they "need". Others are stepped on who get in the way of this ridiculous craving for the "finer" things in life.

What is fine to them, and fine to me, are two different things. They want a Saab. I want a reliable, practical rig. They want jewelry. I want relaxation. They want a big house. I want somewhere to prop my feet up.......

The bottom line is. Wealth does different things to different people. It's just that republicans are much higher maintenance. You must admit.

Seatonheating is the shop steward.:D

[RoBoTeq]

Hate to break the news Robo, but they aren't the same. Most, and I repeat most, republicans will let you know they have money. It is what they crave, it is the single most important thing to them.

Most liberals....again, I say most. May have money, they may not. The thing is, you wouldn't know it with "most" of them. They don't care. They mostly care about the simple things. Living a good life without the incredible fear of not having material possessions.

Too many republicans are so afraid that they won't have what society has taught them they "need". Others are stepped on who get in the way of this ridiculous craving for the "finer" things in life.

What is fine to them, and fine to me, are two different things. They want a Saab. I want a reliable, practical rig. They want jewelry. I want relaxation. They want a big house. I want somewhere to prop my feet up.......

The bottom line is. Wealth does different things to different people. It's just that republicans are much higher maintenance. You must admit.
Again, no clue in what you are claiming. Do you just post what you think or wish to be true? These wealthy liberals have no problem letting everyone know what they have and how they are going to use it; http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/06/AR2005080600848.html

Also, the more philanthopist of the wealthy are conservatives. Wealthy liberals are even more prone to use their wealth for power then conservative wealthy persons are.

[whec720]

Also, the more philanthopist of the wealthy are conservatives. Wealthy liberals are even more prone to use their wealth for power then conservative wealthy persons are

True. Look no further than George Soros.

[2cool4us]

And what Republicans want, they work hard for. And Democrats want to take the Republican's money away and give to those who don't work. Don't you see anything wrong with that?Some Republicans like some Democrats may work hard for their money. But in the Mcain's household everything has been silver spoon fed to them. His wife is an heirss. McCain's father was a high ranking admiral as well as his grandfather. McCain himself cannot remember how many houses he owns when ask by a member of the media. In the McCain camp, one is not wealthy until they have amassed a net worth over 5 million. This in my opinion puts him out of touch with 90% of all Americans thus not able to effectively lead them. This present day "CLASS WARFARE" has been started by the Republicans with their exclusionary monotone. :eek::rolleyes:

[2cool4us]

Freon and 2 cool, I wonder what your actual beliefs are and if you truly understand the principals of what this great nation is founded on.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. :cool:;)

[andserco]

[QUOTE=2cool4us;1982516]



His wife is an heirss.



You jealous....:eek:.........I am........:D

[2cool4us]

[QUOTE=2cool4us;1982516]



His wife is an heirss.



You jealous....:eek:.........I am........:D:eek::eek::eek::eek::D

[glennac]

Some Republicans like some Democrats may work hard for their money. But in the Mcain's household everything has been silver spoon fed to them. His wife is an heirss. McCain's father was a high ranking admiral as well as his grandfather. McCain himself cannot remember how many houses he owns when ask by a member of the media. In the McCain camp, one is not wealthy until they have amassed a net worth over 5 million. This in my opinion puts him out of touch with 90% of all Americans thus not able to effectively lead them. This present day "CLASS WARFARE" has been started by the Republicans with their exclusionary monotone. :eek::rolleyes:

Sounds a lot like Edwards and Kerry there even more than McCain in that category. Pelosi also. I guess you must think the Democratic leaders are all hard working and were not born with a silver spoon in there mouths. Try coming up with something else that the Democrats don't almost have a monopoly on.:)

[2cool4us]

Sounds a lot like Edwards and Kerry there even more than McCain in that category. Pelosi also. I guess you must think the Democratic leaders are all hard working and were not born with a silver spoon in there mouths. Try coming up with something else that the Democrats don't almost have a monopoly on.:)
For Edwards and Kerry not being elected.:eek::rolleyes:

[andserco]

[QUOTE=andserco;1982520]:eek::eek::eek::eek::D


BTW...Kerry's wife is an heiress too...

[jpb2]

Kerry's daughter is hot. The welfare politics he preaches are ass. To one acording to their need from one according to their ability. Damn Socialist

[tunnel_rat]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. :cool:;)

Yea? Anybody can google and cut, the question was what you believe. Anyone who believes the constitution, or has even read it, could'nt possibly consider that Dems have a clue as to it's meaning.....or it's application.:rolleyes:


It does say, We The People. Not, We The Government......

[bootlen]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. :cool:;)

Exactly. And where in that discourse does it mention personal welfare, health, or education?

Don't bother to look for it. It simply ain't there.

[bootlen]

Some Republicans like some Democrats may work hard for their money. But in the Mcain's household everything has been silver spoon fed to them. His wife is an heirss. McCain's father was a high ranking admiral as well as his grandfather. McCain himself cannot remember how many houses he owns when ask by a member of the media. In the McCain camp, one is not wealthy until they have amassed a net worth over 5 million. This in my opinion puts him out of touch with 90% of all Americans thus not able to effectively lead them. This present day "CLASS WARFARE" has been started by the Republicans with their exclusionary monotone. :eek::rolleyes:

So that's what you got out of Saddleback?

Pitiful.

[RoBoTeq]

Some Republicans like some Democrats may work hard for their money. But in the Mcain's household everything has been silver spoon fed to them. His wife is an heirss. McCain's father was a high ranking admiral as well as his grandfather. McCain himself cannot remember how many houses he owns when ask by a member of the media. In the McCain camp, one is not wealthy until they have amassed a net worth over 5 million. This in my opinion puts him out of touch with 90% of all Americans thus not able to effectively lead them. This present day "CLASS WARFARE" has been started by the Republicans with their exclusionary monotone. :eek::rolleyes:
You got the balls to refer to a man who as a tortured POW refused to be released ahead of turn an elitist? You have just lowered yourself to the liberal status of someone pathetically void of respect for the individual.

[glennac]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. :cool:;)

I believe that this is more like your "actual" beliefs.:)

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. Karl Marx (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Karl_Marx/)

[razorwit]

This present day "CLASS WARFARE" has been started by the Republicans with their exclusionary monotone. :eek::rolleyes:
You're out of your mind.
Class Warfare is promoted by liberal democrats who want to strip the wealthy of their money, reward laziness and incompetence with social handouts, and trade and redistribute wealth for votes, all at the expense of an economy that is driven by the wealthy.

There is nothing exclusive about telling people to be resourceful enough to make their own way in life with minimal intrusion from the government.
The problem is that many of our citizens would rather depend on the government to reward their laziness instead of working for a living.

How many republicans on this board do you think were born into wealth?
Are you and acmanko related?

[razorwit]

You got the balls to refer to a man who as a tortured POW refused to be released ahead of turn an elitist? You have just lowered yourself to the liberal status of someone pathetically void of respect for the individual.
Damned skippy on that one, Robo.
I don't think it's a matter of him having balls but rather a matter of a lack of having them and the gray matter one needs to use them.:p

[glennac]

This qoute probably the most importman principle of the Democratic Party's talking points and that of a lot of the liberals on this forum. Check it out.:)

A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
Lenin (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Lenin/)

[2cool4us]

You got the balls to refer to a man who as a tortured POW refused to be released ahead of turn an elitist? You have just lowered yourself to the liberal status of someone pathetically void of respect for the individual.I called his against as a POW Honorable and Admiral. I definitely give him his due at that. His father being of high rank allowed McCain to step into politics. We are debating his POLITICAL experience not his military carrer. If he were a fresh POW at this date, he would be a much better leader than what he is today.
:eek::rolleyes:

[whec720]

You're out of your mind.
Class Warfare is promoted by liberal democrats who want to strip the wealthy of their money, reward laziness and incompetence with social handouts, and trade and redistribute wealth for votes, all at the expense of an economy that is driven by the wealthy.

There is nothing exclusive about telling people to be resourceful enough to make their own way in life with minimal intrusion from the government.
The problem is that many of our citizens would rather depend on the government to reward their laziness instead of working for a living.

How many republicans on this board do you think were born into wealth?
Are you and acmanko related?

LOL:D.............OUCH!:eek:

[glennac]

I If he were a fresh POW at this date, he would be a much better leader than what he is today.
:eek::rolleyes:

I presume that what you really mean is "Democratic" in instead of "fresh".:)

[2cool4us]

I presume that what you really mean is "Democratic" in instead of "fresh".:)
But not necessary.:D:cool:

[classical]

Hate to break the news Robo, but they aren't the same. Most, and I repeat most, republicans will let you know they have money. It is what they crave, it is the single most important thing to them.

Most liberals....again, I say most. May have money, they may not. The thing is, you wouldn't know it with "most" of them. They don't care. They mostly care about the simple things. Living a good life without the incredible fear of not having material possessions.

Too many republicans are so afraid that they won't have what society has taught them they "need". Others are stepped on who get in the way of this ridiculous craving for the "finer" things in life.

What is fine to them, and fine to me, are two different things. They want a Saab. I want a reliable, practical rig. They want jewelry. I want relaxation. They want a big house. I want somewhere to prop my feet up.......

The bottom line is. Wealth does different things to different people. It's just that republicans are much higher maintenance. You must admit.

This is the second biggest load of pure crap I have seen and the biggest is also in this thread.

The majority of Republicans that I know (most of my customers are Republicans) are not rich are not ostentatious about their fiscal worth and are hard working people that have jobs or run businesses and go to work everyday.

The wealthiest people I know and are Democrats and they do flaunt their wealth to all, also the poorest people I know are Democrats and they all have their hands out and expect something for nothing.

[bootlen]

I called his against as a POW Honorable and Admiral. I definitely give him his due at that. His father being of high rank allowed McCain to step into politics.

BS. And you know it.

We are debating his POLITICAL experience not his military carrer. If he were a fresh POW at this date, he would be a much better leader than what he is today.
:eek::rolleyes:

What the crap are you talki...

Never mind. You have proven yourself to be uninformed and are thus making stuff up.


Enjoy. It is you right to post stupidly.

[mrs reb77]

Yup.

I'm not a republican. I am a conservative.

If you present me with a democrat who is a fiscal conservative I will consider voting for him/her.

Until then, I'm not a socialist...nor a facist...I'm American with a thought toward my fellow man, my life, my family and my business.

I'm mrs reb77 and I approve this message.... :D


:cool:

[2cool4us]

I called his against as a POW Honorable and Admiral. I definitely give him his due at that. His father being of high rank allowed McCain to step into politics.

BS. And you know it.

We are debating his POLITICAL experience not his military carrer. If he were a fresh POW at this date, he would be a much better leader than what he is today.
:eek::rolleyes:

What the crap are you talki...

Never mind. You have proven yourself to be uninformed and are thus making stuff up.


Enjoy. It is you right to post stupidly.The corruptive path that he has taken over almost 40 years would not be so ingrained into the person that he is today. All life long career politicians are unchangeable and unteachable concerning matters of leading the free world. :cool:

[RoBoTeq]

Damned skippy on that one, Robo.
I don't think it's a matter of him having balls but rather a matter of a lack of having them and the gray matter one needs to use them.:p
Good. I thought I may have been too emotional in my response. When you and I agree on things, I feel like I have to be right.;)

[2cool4us]

Yup.

I'm not a republican. I am a conservative.

If you present me with a democrat who is a fiscal conservative I will consider voting for him/her.

Until then, I'm not a socialist...nor a facist...I'm American with a thought toward my fellow man, my life, my family and my business.

I'm mrs reb77 and I approve this message.... :D


:cool:You got my vote mrs reb :D

[hvacker]

The approval of Sarah?
Little Head controlling Big Head

Thing is, You'll have to see what she looks like in the daylight. And I don't mean her looks.

[k-fridge]

The approval of Sarah?
Little Head controlling Big Head

Thing is, You'll have to see what she looks like in the daylight. And I don't mean her looks.
How do you explain through anatomical means the millions of women that support her? ;)

[glennac]

How do you explain through anatomical means the millions of women that support her? ;)

How can he? He only "thinks" with his little head. Some folks are like that.:)

[hvacker]

How can he? He only "thinks" with his little head. Some folks are like that.:)

At least mine's not empty Nummy

[hvacker]

How do you explain through anatomical means the millions of women that support her? ;)


Because she sounds empowered. A lot of Hillary supporters were supporters simply because they wanted a woman in charge. Even to the point of not agreeing with everything she stood for.
She appears smart, successful, and gutsy. For a lot of women that's enough.
I remember another convention where a lot of people got caught up in a speech. It was the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. A young black man named Andrew Young spoke and the convention went wild. His name was put into nomination. He was not yet the required 36 years old and declined.
It just shows what a speech can accomplish with out knowing a thing about the speaker.

[glennac]

.........I remember another convention where a lot of people got caught up in a speech. It was the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. A young black man named Andrew Young spoke and the convention went wild. His name was put into nomination. He was not yet the required 36 years old and declined.
It just shows what a speech can accomplish with out knowing a thing about the speaker.

This sounds like the Obama phenomena. People just gush because he can pronounce his words so good and sounds so articulate. It dosen't matter to them that he is a another Karl Marx with Black skin and his change is stright out of the books the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital.

That is all he has going for him his ability to speak. Lenin was a great speaker and so was Mao. But too some light weights that doesn't matter.

[k-fridge]

Because she sounds empowered. A lot of Hillary supporters were supporters simply because they wanted a woman in charge. Even to the point of not agreeing with everything she stood for.
She appears smart, successful, and gutsy. For a lot of women that's enough.
I remember another convention where a lot of people got caught up in a speech. It was the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. A young black man named Andrew Young spoke and the convention went wild. His name was put into nomination. He was not yet the required 36 years old and declined.
It just shows what a speech can accomplish with out knowing a thing about the speaker.
She's got the record to back it up though. And an 80%+ approval record in Alaska...wow!

I know Andy Young BTW, quite a guy.

[mrs reb77]

I have never been able to stand Hilary Clinton. Empowered my patooty! If she was so empowered she should have castrated the wandering philanderer! At the very least he should have been out of her life the second, third, fourth--anytime there. No, instead she 'stood by him'. :rolleyes:

I am however, impressed by Gov. Palin. And, by the way, she has a great deal more experience than Hilary too--at least she's the one IN the office not just married to someone.

[razorwit]

Good. I thought I may have been too emotional in my response. When you and I agree on things, I feel like I have to be right.;)


LOL
Why do I feel like I just got zinged?:p
One thing I need to remember is what Mrs. Reb told me...
Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean that I'm right. My thanks to her for that.
And K-Fridge reminded me that I am on borrowed time here unless I calm down. My thanks to him for that.
I'm aware that I'm probably wrong or misinformed as much as I'm right or informed....
We are probably alot alike.
We are passionate about those things we believe in.

You people will get no more garbage from me...just civil debate.;)

[RoBoTeq]

I know Andy Young BTW, quite a guy.
Really? Well he certainly made my first wife and I feel pretty damned uncomfortable at a graduation ceremony at Coppin State College. We were invited to the graduation by a friend of ours who was graduating and Andrew Young was the key speaker. As far as I could tell, my ex and I were the only Whites in the entire auditorium, which was never a problem for us being in a city that is majority Black.

However, when Andrew Young started spewing out how the cities belonged to the Black people and how Whites have no rights to the cities, I started getting a little nervous. About 15 minutes into his tirade, a quite large Black woman a good ways from us stood up and started yelling at Andrew Young that she did not come there to hear hateful commentaries. Within seconds, people all over the auditorium stood to complain in the same manner.

It took Mr. Young about ten minutes to calm things down, but he did, and he continued to talk in a much more positive manner after that. I don't know what Andrew Young was thinking, but the good people in that college auditorium didn't want to hear any of his anti-White rhetoric.

[RoBoTeq]

LOL
Why do I feel like I just got zinged?:p
One thing I need to remember is what Mrs. Reb told me...
Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean that I'm right. My thanks to her for that.
And K-Fridge reminded me that I am on borrowed time here unless I calm down. My thanks to him for that.
I'm aware that I'm probably wrong or misinformed as much as I'm right or informed....
We are probably alot alike.
We are passionate about those things we believe in.

You people will get no more garbage from me...just civil debate.;)
I'm not one that appreciates sarcasm, so no, there was no zing in my post. More of a comradery amonst those of us with different views. Besides; you and I are not far apart in our political and social thoughts as far as I can tell.

[k-fridge]

Really? Well he certainly made my first wife and I feel pretty damned uncomfortable at a graduation ceremony at Coppin State College. We were invited to the graduation by a friend of ours who was graduating and Andrew Young was the key speaker. As far as I could tell, my ex and I were the only Whites in the entire auditorium, which was never a problem for us being in a city that is majority Black.

However, when Andrew Young started spewing out how the cities belonged to the Black people and how Whites have no rights to the cities, I started getting a little nervous. About 15 minutes into his tirade, a quite large Black woman a good ways from us stood up and started yelling at Andrew Young that she did not come there to hear hateful commentaries. Within seconds, people all over the auditorium stood to complain in the same manner.

It took Mr. Young about ten minutes to calm things down, but he did, and he continued to talk in a much more positive manner after that. I don't know what Andrew Young was thinking, but the good people in that college auditorium didn't want to hear any of his anti-White rhetoric.
Oh I don't agree with him on much, but he's a very capable man and a descent fellow.

[coolwhip]

LOL
Why do I feel like I just got zinged?:p
One thing I need to remember is what Mrs. Reb told me...
Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean that I'm right. My thanks to her for that.
And K-Fridge reminded me that I am on borrowed time here unless I calm down. My thanks to him for that.
I'm aware that I'm probably wrong or misinformed as much as I'm right or informed....
We are probably alot alike.
We are passionate about those things we believe in.

You people will get no more garbage from me...just civil debate.;)

Haha...what a wuss!:p

[RoBoTeq]

Oh I don't agree with him on much, but he's a very capable man and a descent fellow.
Didn't Andrew Young get into some contriversy over speaking out about something that embarrased a few above him? I think he was given an Ambassador position to kinda get rid of him.

I know he made me nervous.

[RoBoTeq]

Haha...what a wuss!:p
For what possible reason would you post something this idiotic?

[coolwhip]

For what possible reason would you post something this idiotic?

Would you rather I make fun of you instead?:D

[RoBoTeq]

Would you rather I make fun of you instead?:D
Whatever rows your dingy whipped. My preference would be that you post something useful for a change.

[coolwhip]

Go sit down flounder, I will post something interesting when you say something interesting.:rolleyes:

[RoBoTeq]

Go sit down flounder, I will post something interesting when you say something interesting.:rolleyes:
Oh yea, that was much better:cool:.

Now, would you like to answer my question as to why you posted that razortwit is a wuss because he/she is working to get along with other posters? Oh, that's right; you don't back up what you post.

[coolwhip]

I dont need to explain myself to you, nor do I find you worthy of an explanation. I have my reasons and thats good enough, if you dont like them, then tough cookies.:p

[hearthman]

Seatonheating, I think you're a little mixed up. Conservatives simply want to work hard, improve their lives, teach personal responsiblity and help those who, due to circumstance, cannot help themselves. :confused:

Liberals want the conservative's money to give to those who want things but don't want to work for them and refuse to take personal responsibility. :eek:

Seaton, you sound almost more socialistic than Obama or Hillary. :D:rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

For what possible reason would you post something this idiotic?

Cause he just can't help himself....:p

[jpb2]

Whatever rows your dingy whipped. My preference would be that you post something useful for a change.


Can I make fun of you now lol

[RoBoTeq]

Can I make fun of you now lol
Could I stop you?:rolleyes:

[seatonheating]

Seatonheating, I think you're a little mixed up. Conservatives simply want to work hard, improve their lives, teach personal responsiblity and help those who, due to circumstance, cannot help themselves. :confused:

Liberals want the conservative's money to give to those who want things but don't want to work for them and refuse to take personal responsibility. :eek:

Seaton, you sound almost more socialistic than Obama or Hillary. :D:rolleyes:

Nope, not confused......logical.

[Aleks_Bischoff]

This woman is awesome and the Demos are in for a battle; Biden doesn't have a chance in a debate with her.


We'll see. I think Biden will mop the floor with her fake hair.


Once Palin is done with her boot camp, she will be up to speed on the issues.

Until then: this is what you get with Palin.



It looks like someone spoke too soon, accusing GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin of having been a member of the Alaska Independence Party. Now it turns out that she only attended the party's 1994 convention, and that her husband joined. So the Republicans get to proclaim "false alarm!" Was the overstatement a strategically-leaked strawman in the first place—a spin-control inoculation by Palin's own allies? Because the truth of the Palins' links to the separatist movement would have been newsworthy without the overshoot. Now, we don't have a problem with Alaskan independence per se—although we fear it could just be a scam by the oil and resource industries to weasel out of federal environmental laws. But more to the point—can you imagine the outcry if Michelle Obama had been a member of the Republic of New Afrika?


Hmmmm.....


I see a scandal in action.



McCain, another loser for the Republicans... Once again.

[Aleks_Bischoff]

I liked the line The duties of a Mayor are kinda of like an organizer but with responsibilites;take tha obama.


It's too bad she is not really educated to understand what the real duties of an "organizer".. But who cares anyways? That was just one job Obama did after he actually graduated from a real College, unlike Palin. He then went on to law school, unlike , Palin, and later taught in a law school. Hmmm...

Later on, while Palin was reading the sports scores on TV, Obama was reading case law in a court.

Later on, Palin was a mayor of a podunk town where she misappropriated funds when she dove the town into deficit, and asked for earmarks, Obama was a state senator in Illinois.

Later on, Palin ran for Governor of AK, a state that has a population of a little less than 600,000 people. Yep, she got the job. Now she is qualified as VP?

Do you want her as your president? I ask that because you know McCain is gonna croak during his tenure if elected. The man is in remission. He is sick. He has Cancer.



It's your choice, *Edited by ARPC*....

Nice try Oloe. Goodbye again

[acmanko]

Palin could surprise everyone and be an excellent VP. . but the Vp should be elected not selected. correct me if I'm wrong, but at one time the person who came in second was the vice president, as it should be. although its really just a figurehead position.

[2cool4us]

Palin could surprise everyone and be an excellent VP. . but the Vp should be elected not selected. correct me if I'm wrong, but at one time the person who came in second was the vice president, as it should be. although its really just a figurehead position.Cheney has flexed enough muscle to show that a VP can have a substatial amount of influence. He's directed a lot of this administration's energy policy. :mad:

[acmanko]

Cheney has flexed enough muscle to show that a VP can have a substatial amount of influence. He's directed a lot of this administration's energy policy. :mad:
actually, I can't remeber the last time the Senate had a tied vote that gave Cheney the power to influence anything. His importance to the Republican Patry was verified by his absence at the convention.

[hvacker]

If Alaska seceded, in 6 months they would be annexed into Siberia.

[hvacker]

[QUOTE=RoBoTeq;1983192]However, when Andrew Young started spewing out how the cities belonged to the Black people and how Whites have no rights to the cities, I started getting a little nervous. About 15 minutes into his tirade, a quite large Black woman a good ways from us stood up and started yelling at Andrew Young that she did not come there to hear hateful commentaries. Within seconds, people all over the auditorium stood to complain in the same manner.

Big mistake when a speaker thinks their preaching to the choir only to find out their not. Sounds like he lumped all the black people together.
Made me wonder some people in Obama's church ever felt like shouting back.

[2cool4us]

actually, I can't remeber the last time the Senate had a tied vote that gave Cheney the power to influence anything. His importance to the Republican Patry was verified by his absence at the convention.Of the meetings when all the BIG OIL Mucky Mucks gathered in Washington. :cool:

[razorwit]

Haha...what a wuss!:p

LOL
I've been called worse.;)


Not a bad crew here.
I'd rather just hang and be a decent member rather than get all pissy over things that really don't matter much in the end.
Besides, I'm a much better debater when I stay focused.:p

[razorwit]

I'm not one that appreciates sarcasm, so no, there was no zing in my post. More of a comradery amonst those of us with different views. Besides; you and I are not far apart in our political and social thoughts as far as I can tell.

OK
Understood.
Politically and socially, I'd agree.
I even happen to think GWB has been an outstanding president overall.;)

I try to stay away from the religious stuff because I get too emotional and my opinions can be sarcastic there.

[acmanko]

OK
Understood.
Politically and socially, I'd agree.
I even happen to think GWB has been an outstanding president overall.;)

I try to stay away from the religious stuff because I get too emotional and my opinions can be sarcastic there. they don't count for much anyway , so don't let the bogeyman scare you:rolleyes:

[razorwit]

LOL
They must count to you cuz you're trolling me again.;)

[mrs reb77]

He's a major fisherman here, he'll troll anything. ;)

[mrs reb77]

OK

I even happen to think GWB has been an outstanding president overall.;)



I think that GWB has an outstanding wit as well as the ability to not let small minded people give him pause. Many people make fun of him on many issues and of those, I think a lot of it is intentional on his part. He'd probably be a pretty cool fellow to have over for a bar-b-que.

(Uh-oh, better put on flame suit....)

[razorwit]

He's done something over 50% of our presidents never did....serve 2 full terms.

Unlike those small minded people with their petty insults, I believe history will judge him to be a president who was resolute and brought this country out of some pretty dark days.

[k-fridge]

Lover him or hate him, one thing you have to say about Bush.....


He's done what be believed was right, whether it was popular or not. And he pretty much did what he said he'd do.


If nothing else, it's been refreshing to have someone like that in the White House after the poll driven presidency of Clinton.

[mrs reb77]

I still say, I'd like to have him over for bar-b-que.

Either that or, maybe I could get an invite to the ranch...I have relatives that don't live too awfully far away.

I could probably even get my dad to go to that. He's had a crush on Laura for quite some time now ;)

[razorwit]

Yeah, ole Clinton was a real pole ummm, er...I mean poll driver alright.:D:D

[razorwit]

I still say, I'd like to have him over for bar-b-que.

Either that or, maybe I could get an invite to the ranch...I have relatives that don't live too awfully far away.

I could probably even get my dad to go to that. He's had a crush on Laura for quite some time now ;)
Yeah, I've had a bit of a sneaker for Laura too.
What a classy lady she has been. And very sneaky attractive too.:)

[k-fridge]

Yeah, ole Clinton was a real pole ummm, er...I mean poll driver alright.:D:D
Depends what the meaning of is....is. ;)

[acmanko]

if you like BBQ, eddie dean, a lifelong fried of GWB has a resturant in Terrell , Texas. GWB has had Eddie cater to all of is inaugeration parties.