Change voting age to 30?

[fixacr]

The premise is that people should get out of high school, get out of mommy and daddy's house, finish college and/or work and support themselves in the real world for a few years before they get to vote. Admittedly, when I was 18 I wouldn't have liked it, but now in my mid 50's I can't honestly say that I disagree.

[mrs reb77]

Who in the heck is promoting/supporting this? I've not heard it.
You do realize that voting ages apply to local communities, counties, states etc. and that many times the actual candidate isn't even that old??!!
And I know plenty of under 30's that haven't lived with their parents in ages.

[k-fridge]

That would mean the demise of the Democratic party.













Not that I have a problem with that.........:p

[mrs reb77]

Oh. Well, in that case, change it to 40! ;)

I did some searching and still didn't find a legitimate source of a group or legislation regarding this--did find several blogs tossing it around both pro and con. Nothing legitimate though.

[zzonko]

The premise is that people should get out of high school, get out of mommy and daddy's house, finish college and/or work and support themselves in the real world for a few years before they get to vote. Admittedly, when I was 18 I wouldn't have liked it, but now in my mid 50's I can't honestly say that I disagree.


And if the militarys of the world only took men in their 50's and 60's wars would be a thing of the past

My first ballot was an absentee vote mailed from a military PO overseas when I was 18

[mrs reb77]

I proudly voted in my very first Presidential election in 1984.

Guess who I voted for! :D (He won...)

[fixacr]

. .. and that many times the actual candidate isn't even that old??!!


That in itself may very well be part of the problem.

[wolfstrike]

might be a good idea since the Roman creators of "democracy" knew it wouldn't work without educated participants, however,
the left-wing would never allow it and use it as a major recruiting campaign.


if you remember a couple of years ago the Democrats wanted to lower the voting age to 14

[mrs reb77]

Our Republican Governor in the state of Missouri was only 33 when elected. That would mean he would only have been eligible to vote for 3 years before being elected.
Why does OLD mean BETTER? Many of our local towns and counties have youthful leaders, doesn't mean they aren't capable.

[wolfstrike]

because they look at things through percentages.

the average 18 year old is a moron.

it's the old saying, something like, 'if you are NOT liberal when you are young you have no heart, if you are liberal when you are old you have no brain.'


the democrats want to take advantage of young thinking.

every generation they try to tell young people they are leaders in a new way of life, and everything is completely different.
...and the older generation are all criminals.

it's only when you are older you recognize the same old political tactics they've been using for hundreds of years

[Snapperhead]

I think a good age would be atleast 25 .

Not many young folk even pay attention to politics , other than " whats their stand on abortion ? "

C'mon , you cant be serious . Someones stance on abortion is the last thing I look for in a president .

[fixacr]

Our Republican Governor in the state of Missouri was only 33 when elected. That would mean he would only have been eligible to vote for 3 years before being elected.
Why does OLD mean BETTER? Many of our local towns and counties have youthful leaders, doesn't mean they aren't capable.

It's not a matter of age so much as living, "in the real world". At 18, I am fairly sure, a very small percentage of people have had to make their own money, pay their own bills, provide their own food, clothing and housing. I would go so far as to say that some of them would vote for whoever who promises them the latest X-box system. Of course there are exceptions to every generalization.

[zzonko]

It's not a matter of age so much as living, "in the real world". At 18, I am fairly sure, a very small percentage of people have had to make their own money, pay their own bills, provide their own food, clothing and housing. I would go so far as to say that some of them would vote for whoever who promises them the latest X-box system. Of course there are exceptions to every generalization.

You cant have young men go into harms way:( and not have a say in the matter

in another thread there is a discussion about lowering the drinking age

WoW....raise the voting age and lower the drinking age...must be something in the water

[mrs reb77]

Well, having to provide for oneself doesn't necessarily make one 'politically savvy' nor does it make someone choose the best choices they can.

Is this my non-conservative Wednesday or something? I have not only found myself in agreement with remodel, I've been on the same side of an issue with sysint!!!! :eek:

I just don't think raising the voting age will make voters 'more responsible'. You have to give some responsibilities for people to get the experience to become responsible. Otherwise, you just have a bunch of first time 25 or 30 year old voters instead of first time 18 year olds.
If you want to make kids try to think for themselves as far as voting choices, take away teachers' options to 'preach' politics during class time. My niece in third grade during the Missouri primaries came home talking about how they voted in class for the presidential candidates. She said who she voted for but, guess what, there were none of the issues discussed. She had no real reason why she voted for this candidate. That's not the thing to teach 9 year olds.

[mrs reb77]

You cant have young men go into harms way:( and not have a say in the matter

in another thread there is a discussion about lowering the drinking age

WoW....raise the voting age and lower the drinking age...must be something in the water

No kiddin!

[fixacr]

Well, having to provide for oneself doesn't necessarily make one 'politically savvy' nor does it make someone choose the best choices they can.

Is this my non-conservative Wednesday or something? I have not only found myself in agreement with remodel, I've been on the same side of an issue with sysint!!!! :eek:

I just don't think raising the voting age will make voters 'more responsible'. You have to give some responsibilities for people to get the experience to become responsible. Otherwise, you just have a bunch of first time 25 or 30 year old voters instead of first time 18 year olds.
If you want to make kids try to think for themselves as far as voting choices, take away teachers' options to 'preach' politics during class time. My niece in third grade during the Missouri primaries came home talking about how they voted in class for the presidential candidates. She said who she voted for but, guess what, there were none of the issues discussed. She had no real reason why she voted for this candidate. That's not the thing to teach 9 year olds.

We're on the same page as far as not allowing teachers to teach their opinions as facts, mrs. From what I hear, college classes are the worst in that aspect.

I just think that more people need to realize that voting is important and choosing a candidate without thoroughly checking their stand on the issues is a serious, serious mistake. Perhaps in addition to raising the voting age, we could eliminate with-holding taxes from paychecks. If everyone had to sit down once a month and stroke checks to the IRS and their state and local governments I guarantee politicians would be shaking in their boots and there would be some sort of tax reform quick, fast and in a hurry.

[mrs reb77]

Ah, voter education! Unfortunately the liberal machine is a huge advocate of voter education--but only for their issues!
I agree that all registered voters should be educated as to their duty. It should not be taken lightly and is a great privilege that many in the world do not have.
We're all required to take some kind of test in order to get our driver's license, why not prove we understand what a vote means before being allowed to cast it?

(Oh boy, let the libbies attack! That would just be so....discriminatory!!)

[Andy Schoen]

Since the age of majority is effectively 18 in the U.S., and the fact that you can enlist in the U.S. military at age 18, I have no issues with allowing 18 year olds the right to vote.

Granted, 18 year olds are generally both clueless and gullible. In fact, I helped Jimmy Carter get voted into office. :mad: But most will soon figure out that a big chunk of their paycheck goes to something called "taxes". And, IMHO, most will eventually make educated choices when voting.

Fortunately, I wised up quickly. I voted for Reagan both times. :D

[wolfstrike]

You cant have young men go into harms way and not have a say in the matter

true, but on the other hand,

the military recruits 18 year olds for their leadership skills?


:D

[Andy Schoen]

true, but on the other hand,

the military recruits 18 year olds for their leadership skills?


:D
No, because they are impressionable, and typically have the physical strength to wage war. :o

[mrs reb77]

true, but on the other hand,

the military recruits 18 year olds for their leadership skills?


:D

Why wouldn't they. You ever take the ASVAB test? Any other skills tests?

How do you think people put in 50 years in the military? Start when they're 30? :rolleyes:
Ever hear of ROTC? Wonder where Military officers come from? Majority of them don't start their career when they're old enough to get discounts on their car insurance.

[Snapperhead]

Since the age of majority is effectively 18 in the U.S., and the fact that you can enlist in the U.S. military at age 18, I have no issues with allowing 18 year olds the right to vote.

Granted, 18 year olds are generally both clueless and gullible. In fact, I helped Jimmy Carter get voted into office. :mad: But most will soon figure out that a big chunk of their paycheck goes to something called "taxes". And, IMHO, most will eventually make educated choices when voting.

Fortunately, I wised up quickly. I voted for Reagan both times. OH HOLD UP .

You simply cannot compare going into the military , AND choosing a president even the same ball game .

When you sign up for the military , you are highly and extensively Schooled and TRAINED . You have people that know the ropes Teaching you .

When you turn 18 and decide to Vote ..... you have NO experience NO training on politics whatsoever .

Hell you probly focused more on the next house party within the past 2 years than anything else .

Voting age needs to be 25 . Atleast then you have already tried the bars , got a job , and hopefully pay your own bills .

[mrs reb77]

and trying the bars, getting a job and paying bills makes them more qualified to vote?
Nope.

[Snapperhead]

no , but its more likely they have " sewn their oats " and might be paying attention more to whats going on around the world .... besides partying .

[Snapperhead]

case in point . I just asked the youngest owners son ( 19 ) whether he was Rep or Dem . He didnt know the difference .

His 5 older brothers , and his dad , are all into current events , politics , and the economy .

I gladly explained to him the diff . He's like ... pfft I work my ass off .. Im definately a Rep .

[mrs reb77]

Belonging to one party or the other isn't a requirement (thankfully) for voting. I'm not professed as either nor have I ever been. I've voted either side on different issues and for different candidates.
And, at 18 I was thrilled to add my voice to millions of other Americans' in selecting a President.
We can't throw away the voice of our youths, they are just as entitled to have that voice as a 25 year old. Generalizations that they would be more ready or more informed at 25 are just that, generalizations. My brother will be 25 next week but he has been voting since he was 18 and he takes the privilege very seriously. He has to vote absentee since he is at College and he still does it--primary, general election, special election, doesn't matter. It's important to him.

Just because we have a perception that all young people vote Democrat should not give us a legitimate reason to take away their voting privilege. There are just as many people over the age of 25 that vote for someone because of the color of their skin, their religion or because someone told them to as there are between 18 and 25.

[Snapperhead]

Belonging to one party or the other isn't a requirement (thankfully) for voting. Now see , thats where you are wrong . IF this whole world was made up from good hardworking Republicans .... we wouldnt have any problems ;)

Ok maybe one . We would run out of burial grounds for all the felons we shot with the guns we cling to .

[Andy Schoen]

OH HOLD UP .

You simply cannot compare going into the military , AND choosing a president even the same ball game .

Electing to enter the military is a significant decision for anyone. In my book, anyone who elects to serve our contry can vote.


case in point . I just asked the youngest owners son ( 19 ) whether he was Rep or Dem . He didnt know the difference .

One can be clueless at age 25.