Obama, The Villiage Idiot

[Tool-Slinger]

says iraq was never the ''central front on terrorism'' and it was afganistan, well, dummy, we attacked afganistan first and deleleted all organised al-queida and taliban and ended up fighting al-queda in iraq and now all hell is spewing in pakistan, just my take. Some say wahabbism in suadi is to blame, some say islam is to blame, some say attacks in madrid or london make your whole concept of a ''central front'' a foolish concept.. THERE IS NO CENTRAL FRONT and only a villiage idiot would think so. Obama will not be able to clobber afganistan into a more freindly state than it is now. IDIOT!

[newoldtech]

Afghanistan was the obvious front on terrorism. Thats where Bin Laden had his terrorist training camps and free rein from the Taliban government.

Iraq, though not a friendly nation was for all intents and purposes not bothering anyone. Hussein was at the time allowing full access to the UN inspectors. He was certainly a nuisance, but not much of a threat to us.

Bush, I believe will go down in history as the worst President ever. Iraq could have been dealt with a lot of different ways ie sanctions, inspections etc. There are a lot of countries we may not like or agree with that doesn't mean we can invade them all. Not to mention that our country in now in or near recession.

I'm not sure America is ready for a black president, but given the choice between Obama and MCbush, I think in about six months you will be calling that "IDIOT" "Mr President".

[bluestone]

Newold I disagree,I don't think Bush will go down as the greatest ever but I do believe in 20 or 30 yrs he will be looked upon as the driving force behind qwelling the middle east. I didn't agree with going into Iraq, but the big stick approach has gotten alot of bad peoples attention over there.

There's olot of stuff going on behind the scenes. Why do you think we were talking to Iran last week, because they percieve the US as a nation of wusses? I don't think so. If we weren't in the middle of it they would be more enabled then they are now.

[newoldtech]

Newold I disagree,I don't think Bush will go down as the greatest ever but I do believe in 20 or 30 yrs he will be looked upon as the driving force behind qwelling the middle east. I didn't agree with going into Iraq, but the big stick approach has gotten alot of bad peoples attention over there.

There's olot of stuff going on behind the scenes. Why do you think we were talking to Iran last week, because they percieve the US as a nation of wusses? I don't think so. If we weren't in the middle of it they would be more enabled then they are now.

Only time will tell about Bush, but I just don't think he has performed any where near acceptable. As far as being "in the middle of it" , I agree with you, I just think we could have done it a lot better, with a lot more world support and used our assets a lot better. This war on Iraq has played right into Irans hands. They are looking to gain more influence on a country that under Hussein was their bitter enemy and under Hussein kept a better balance of power in the region as far as I could tell. Gotta go to work now, Peace!

[tunnel_rat]

Only time will tell about Bush, but I just don't think he has performed any where near acceptable. As far as being "in the middle of it" , I agree with you, I just think we could have done it a lot better, with a lot more world support and used our assets a lot better. This war on Iraq has played right into Irans hands. They are looking to gain more influence on a country that under Hussein was their bitter enemy and under Hussein kept a better balance of power in the region as far as I could tell. Gotta go to work now, Peace!


Well, when they feel froggy.....let 'em jump. See what it gets 'em. :D

Balance of power?? Yea, all his...what kind of scales do you use??


As for Iraq, does not their firing on our planes in a "No-Fly Zone" warrant our attention? That alone, never mind umpteen resolutions from the worthless UN they gave the finger to. They were begging to show off and see what that got their regime. Iran can hope for the same.

[Tool-Slinger]

Afghanistan was the obvious front on terrorism. Thats where Bin Laden had his terrorist training camps and free rein from the Taliban government.

Iraq, though not a friendly nation was for all intents and purposes not bothering anyone. Hussein was at the time allowing full access to the UN inspectors. He was certainly a nuisance, but not much of a threat to us.

Bush, I believe will go down in history as the worst President ever. Iraq could have been dealt with a lot of different ways ie sanctions, inspections etc. There are a lot of countries we may not like or agree with that doesn't mean we can invade them all. Not to mention that our country in now in or near recession.

I'm not sure America is ready for a black president, but given the choice between Obama and MCbush, I think in about six months you will be calling that "IDIOT" "Mr President".



""""""Hussein was at the time allowing full access to the UN inspectors."""""""
That is incorrect. That war would have never taken place if that had been the case.

But that is Iraq,.. Check this out:
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/me_iran0358_07_23.asp
So now it is Iran, and Iran is not even connected with the sunni branch of islam aside from funding terrorists of that stripe.

''''''''Iraq could have been dealt with a lot of different ways ie sanctions, inspections etc.''''''
LIKE IRAN!!! yupper those sanctions and inspections are going along swimmingly aren't they? That is why we are sailing headlong into war, such great inspections and sanctions... LOL!

My central point is that there is no central front and to try to look for and declare a central front is seriously retarded.

''''''I'm not sure America is ready for a black president''''''
America is ready for a black president, and so am I, but this is not about obomas' colour.

[Tool-Slinger]

Well, when they feel froggy.....let 'em jump. See what it gets 'em. :D

Balance of power?? Yea, all his...what kind of scales do you use??


As for Iraq, does not their firing on our planes in a "No-Fly Zone" warrant our attention? That alone, never mind umpteen resolutions from the worthless UN they gave the finger to. They were begging to show off and see what that got their regime. Iran can hope for the same.
Iran is next.

They are pushing it, not us. Iran had about a thousand opportunities to diffuse the current situation. Just like with Iraq, they are continually poking us in the eye and we will eventually react. And the free-love-tree-hugging-live-and-let-live-imagine-a-world-with-no-posessions dweebs will tear off their clothes and rip out their hair in protest when we bomb iran. That is pretty much how they spend their time in private, but they will make themselves a public spectacle in a situation where they think their outrage is justified. Expect bongos, and bongs, and face-painting and more idiotic signs. It does not CHANGE anything and you can BELIEVE in that. :D

[RoBoTeq]

wahabbism is just another sect of Islam. The U.S. is concentrating on any and all areas of the world where Islamic aggression is occuring. If everyone will kindly remember, President Bush made the statement from the very beginning that we are entering a period where we are going to go after terrorism such that would attack the U.S. on U.S. soil wherever it takes us and that it would be a long term endeuver.

It is a shame that there are American's who don't have the constitution to stay on course with our fighting those who oppose us and our way of life. Even more of a shame is when those Americans become politically affective.

If Barack Hussein Obama becomes our next president, with the Democrats in control of Congress, we may be looking at another disgraceful loss such as Vietnam was.

[phxurs]

says iraq was never the ''central front on terrorism'' and it was afganistan, well, dummy, we attacked afganistan first and deleleted all organised al-queida and taliban and ended up fighting al-queda in iraq and now all hell is spewing in pakistan, just my take. Some say wahabbism in suadi is to blame, some say islam is to blame, some say attacks in madrid or london make your whole concept of a ''central front'' a foolish concept.. THERE IS NO CENTRAL FRONT and only a villiage idiot would think so. Obama will not be able to clobber afganistan into a more freindly state than it is now. IDIOT!

Well how it going Now - last time I check Talaban were controlling the country (side)

PS...Irag how it going there ?

The only "Idiot" I see - is the one who head is Buried in the sand...Eg...The one who thinks were winning Now

[newoldtech]

I believe Hussein new he wasn't any threat to America and therefore didn't think Bush would invade. He under estimated how stupid Bush is. And I'm a Republican.

In response to all who say if Iran steps out of line they will get theirs. First off we are not dealing with the same mentality in Iran that we were in Iraq. These people are religious zealots who are getting tired of being bullied by America and Israel. They don't care as much about their regime, they are ready to die for Allah. How much further does our country want to go into debt? How many more of our children must die in war?

I believe America needs a better foreign policy than shoot first and ask questions later. I'm not trying minimize that diplomacy with these extremists is easy but after spending billions and billions of dollars on the current wars, which has shown that we are not nearly as tough as we thought we were, we need to lose the "cowboy attitude". Under Bush much of the rest of the world has lost a lot of respect for us. There are a lot of religious complications in the middle east ie Sunni, Shiite, Jewish etc that we just can't shoot away. Bush was warned about this before he invaded Iraq. We need to show strength and BRAINS.

[acmanko]

Vietnam ended up a disgrace because of Richard Nixon. a Republican.

[bluestone]

Iran is next.

They are pushing it, not us. Iran had about a thousand opportunities to diffuse the current situation. Just like with Iraq, they are continually poking us in the eye and we will eventually react. And the free-love-tree-hugging-live-and-let-live-imagine-a-world-with-no-posessions dweebs will tear off their clothes and rip out their hair in protest when we bomb iran. That is pretty much how they spend their time in private, but they will make themselves a public spectacle in a situation where they think their outrage is justified. Expect bongos, and bongs, and face-painting and more idiotic signs. It does not CHANGE anything and you can BELIEVE in that. :D

Bingo, LOL;)

[bluestone]

Vietnam ended up a disgrace because of Richard Nixon. a Republican.

Wrong

[acmanko]

Wrongwhere were you when it was going down. the same can be said of Nixon and Iran

[bootlen]

where were you when it was going down. the same can be said of Nixon and Iran

Nixon's threatening Israel? :eek: I thought he was dead! :confused:

[acmanko]

Nixon's threatening Israel? :eek: I thought he was dead! :confused:
no. Nixon was responsible for the Iranian Revolution, selling aircfraft to the Shah and having him pay for them with inflated oil prices.

[bootlen]

no. Nixon was responsible for the Iranian Revolution, selling aircfraft to the Shah and having him pay for them with inflated oil prices.

Really? I thought the Shah was dead, too, and some Ayatollah was running the place.

You sure about the Shah still doing the oil price thing?

[acmanko]

yep, Nixon,Kisssinger and the Shah are responsible for all the high oil prices.

[bootlen]

yep, Nixon,Kisssinger and the Shah are responsible for all the high oil prices.

Interesting. Imagine that. Dead people setting oil prices.

You been hanging around that farmer from Putnam, TX, again, haven't you?

[whec720]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.........everything is Bush's fault.....remember?:confused:



As usual, all over the map. Make up your mind!:D

[bootlen]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.........everything is Bush's fault.....remember?:confused:



As usual, all over the map. Make up your mind!:D

Hey, when acmanko has a half a mind to do something, his mind is made up.:D

[whec720]

Hey, when acmanko has a half a mind to do something, his mind is made up.:D

LMAO:D:D

[Tool-Slinger]

Well how it going Now - last time I check Talaban were controlling the country (side)

PS...Irag how it going there ?

The only "Idiot" I see - is the one who head is Buried in the sand...Eg...The one who thinks were winning Now
I am sorry if I was not clear enough in my OP. I was not trying to 'declare victory' and status of the conflict in various areas was not much to do about my point,... except that it changes and moves. In effect, there is no central front and it is so obvious as to be a rediculous concept.

Look at the conflict movement this way for a moment:
Not an accurate time-line, things ebb and flow and over-lap, just an example of the moving conflict/priorities:

9-11 attacks; central front was home! I still say open borders and transportation is a danger but that was concern #1 at the time, on-going to a lesser degree.

Al-queda in afgan.

Soon add taliban in afgan. Ended in a easy US military victory.

Lybia, long a concern, now need to turn the thumb-screws [wmd program later folder with diplomacy]

Iraq dictatorship, hostile and beligerant and terrorist supporter and now need to also turn the thumbscrews. Ended in easy US military victory.

North korea[nukes & weapon supplier], time to turn the thumbscrews,.. currently seems to be working with diplomacy but not quite a done-deal as far as I know.

Muslim radicals in pakistan, really wobbly political situation and they have nukes! And they retire with honors a scientist selling the technology! Yikes! ongoing diplomacy with special consideration not to make any moves that would topple a fairly sane govornment [considering the radical alternative]

Shiite insurgents in iraq. reason for 'surge'

Sunni insurgents in iraq. reason for 'surge'

Al-queda in iraq. reason for 'surge'
The prior 3 items have been dramatically cut-down with a major military effort[perhaps an unsustainable effort] and it is hoped iraq govornment police/military will take over the security there. Main point being that it is settling down there considerably.

Syria nuclear facility... Detroyed by isreali bombers in a bewildering air-raid that is not quite understood but presumed the USA had some involvement as there was some sort of ''jamming'' done which made the bombing-run an un-challenged victory.

Al-queda and taliban re-grouped in pakistan and making cross-border resurgence in afgan. Currently seems to be a growing problem, and the diplomatic quagmire in pakistan is severely complicating the issue.

Now war with iran radical islamic militants building nukes is imminent. 10 or 12 years of diplomacy has seemed to have failed. Diplomacy is not exhausted yet, but it is about in the final stages.

You see? There is no central front in the war on terrorism. That is the point I was trying to make.

[RoBoTeq]

Well how it going Now - last time I check Talaban were controlling the country (side)

PS...Irag how it going there ?

The only "Idiot" I see - is the one who head is Buried in the sand...Eg...The one who thinks were winning Now
The concept of "winning" the war on Islamic terrorism is an absurd one. There is no winning in war, especially this kind of war that has no national bounderies.

The fact that the Taliban are still active is exactly why we must stay vigilant fighting against them.....over there. We did not start this war. This war that is going on worldwide has been escalating for over three decades.

After 8 years of the U.S. avoiding taking any actions against Islamic aggressions worldwide, Muslims got the idea we were weak and would easily cave in when attacked on home ground.

It is people like you that give our enemies the wrong idea that Americans are weak and easily defeated because we have no stomach for what it takes to defend our way of life.

[acmanko]

Hey, when acmanko has a half a mind to do something, his mind is made up.:Dthose who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

[Tool-Slinger]

those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who don't know history, are bound to use it as an example.

:D

[acmanko]

Those who don't know history, are bound to use it as an example.

:D Now we know why you never go back more than a week:eek:

[Tool-Slinger]

Now we know why you never go back more than a week:eek:
A WEEK! YOU THINK I REMEMBER THINGS A WEEK AGO!!!???!! Gee thanks, but I can't remember what I did yesterday. :D

[acmanko]

A WEEK! YOU THINK I REMEMBER THINGS A WEEK AGO!!!???!! Gee thanks, but I can't remember what I did yesterday. :Djust giving credit were credit is due.:)

[Tool-Slinger]

I believe Hussein new he wasn't any threat to America and therefore didn't think Bush would invade. He under estimated how stupid Bush is. And I'm a Republican.

In response to all who say if Iran steps out of line they will get theirs. First off we are not dealing with the same mentality in Iran that we were in Iraq. These people are religious zealots who are getting tired of being bullied by America and Israel. They don't care as much about their regime, they are ready to die for Allah. How much further does our country want to go into debt? How many more of our children must die in war?

I believe America needs a better foreign policy than shoot first and ask questions later. I'm not trying minimize that diplomacy with these extremists is easy but after spending billions and billions of dollars on the current wars, which has shown that we are not nearly as tough as we thought we were, we need to lose the "cowboy attitude". Under Bush much of the rest of the world has lost a lot of respect for us. There are a lot of religious complications in the middle east ie Sunni, Shiite, Jewish etc that we just can't shoot away. Bush was warned about this before he invaded Iraq. We need to show strength and BRAINS.
'''''''I believe Hussein new he wasn't any threat to America and therefore didn't think Bush would invade. He under estimated how stupid Bush is.''''''

Then he should have let the weapons inspectors in sholdn't he have? Who's the is the stupid one? LOL! I have refferred to saddam as ''THE MASTER OF MISCALCULATION" :D

''''''In response to all who say if Iran steps out of line they will get theirs. First off we are not dealing with the same mentality in Iran that we were in Iraq. These people are religious zealots who are getting tired of being bullied by America and Israel. They don't care as much about their regime, they are ready to die for Allah. How much further does our country want to go into debt? How many more of our children must die in war?''''''

And,... You want to allow these people obtain nuclear bombs???? You described them very well,... Will you please think about that point? Suppose they have nuclear bombs, and are willing to die for allah. Also, understand islamic religion has a concept of ushering in a new era of world-wide islamic rule and the return of the 12th imam[islamic jesus equivalant] by starting a major war. I am getting off topic a tad? But that was a big reply, so I will go back and high-light the central point[s].

'''''I believe America needs a better foreign policy than shoot first and ask questions later.''''''

I think that is an exaggeration. We did diplomacy with iraq for 12[?] years, 17 UN resolutions and suffered may attacks from iraq that were basically unanswered in any real fire-power. Bush told hussein to let the weapons inspectors in or ELSE. As for afganistan, bush told the taliban to hand over osama and his head-honchos or ELSE. USA is not shooting first, only after diplomacy has failed. Neither case did bush not leave an easy option out of war.


''''''I'm not trying minimize that diplomacy with these extremists is easy but after spending billions and billions of dollars on the current wars, which has shown that we are not nearly as tough as we thought we were, we need to lose the "cowboy attitude".'''''''''

Exellent point if you are referring to 'insurgencies' and 'peace-keeping', in that scenario I am certainly willing to consider some options. That stuff seems like a continual drag on us {USA} and we get so little in return.{?} But the major military operations are so far a complete victory. Those 'cowboys' in their comanches and raptors pretty much have demolished everything that has opposed them with very little opposition. It works, I say apply it more if the situation allows the application. Use what works.

''''''''Under Bush much of the rest of the world has lost a lot of respect for us.''''''''

Not the muslim radicals, he taught them we mean business and now have to re-calculate our response if they pull one stunt or another. If you mean european nations losing respect for us,.... they have muslim radical problems of their own, far worse than we do, so screw them if they do not 'approve' of violence to meet the violence directed at us. We do not have to put-up with this non-sense, we have to be leaders now, not prom-queen candidates.

''''''''There are a lot of religious complications in the middle east ie Sunni, Shiite, Jewish etc that we just can't shoot away. Bush was warned about this before he invaded Iraq.''''''

Understood, that is why saddam was not removed in GULF1. But saddam proved that we cannot just keep dikking around with these guys,.. we have to take them out. Saddam attacked us, maintained power, sanctions did not work, he could pursue a WMD program and diplomacy could not stop it. he jerked us and the UN around for 12 years. Repeat an important point: saddam proved that we cannot just keep dikking around with these guys,.. we have to take them out
.

''''''''We need to show strength and BRAINS.''''''''

I tend to think we need to exercise strength and bash brains. :D But what do you mean by that?

[newoldtech]

I tend to think we need to exercise strength and bash brains. :D But what do you mean by that?



I just am annoyed by Bush's arrogance. I know its important to be tough, but you just can't think you can tell every other country how they should be or else your gonna kick their ass.

Theres an old saying " you get more flies with honey than vinegar". We need someone who can be tough but also more unifying. Most people in America can't stand Bush (just look at any poll) imagine what other countries think of him. We need a leader that people respect and revere not despise.

[Tool-Slinger]

I just am annoyed by Bush's arrogance. I know its important to be tough, but you just can't think you can tell every other country how they should be or else your gonna kick their ass.

Theres an old saying " you get more flies with honey than vinegar". We need someone who can be tough but also more unifying. Most people in America can't stand Bush (just look at any poll) imagine what other countries think of him. We need a leader that people respect and revere not despise.
Thanks for the reply newoldtech. I personally think that we need a leader that will tell all muslim [or other] radicals to dis-arm the nukes or other WMDs or ELSE, and screw popular opinion with the europeans who are being overrun with islam anyway. I am thinking we can woo the europeans to love us but only to reduce our own security to their pathetic standard. But I understand, respect your point of veiw.

[TB]

I just am annoyed by Bush's arrogance. I know its important to be tough, but you just can't think you can tell every other country how they should be or else your gonna kick their ass.

Theres an old saying " you get more flies with honey than vinegar". We need someone who can be tough but also more unifying. Most people in America can't stand Bush (just look at any poll) imagine what other countries think of him. We need a leader that people respect and revere not despise.

OOohhhYeahhh...and that would be the lying flip flopping Obummer I 'spose, huh?

We need a president who takes his job serious enough to do the unpopular thing, and defend the homeland when it is attacked. That's his job, and he did it. Since we entered into a war on terrorism, that they asked for, nothing has been done on US soil since. We all have gone to work every day since without a thought about what buildings and where, were about to become a landing pad for a 747. Thank God we had a MAN in the whitehouse at the time, instead of the spineless wussies that were there before him, or that he ran against.

[tranquill]

Israeli analyst*suggests turning nuclear Iran against Egypt.
He argues that Shia dominance is prefereable to the Sunni's.
See this: http://samsonblinded.org/blog/use-iran-against-egypt.htm

[RoBoTeq]

I just am annoyed by Bush's arrogance. I know its important to be tough, but you just can't think you can tell every other country how they should be or else your gonna kick their ass.

Theres an old saying " you get more flies with honey than vinegar". We need someone who can be tough but also more unifying. Most people in America can't stand Bush (just look at any poll) imagine what other countries think of him. We need a leader that people respect and revere not despise.
I completely disagree with all of the sentiments expressed here. These are just differing opinions between us, so don't think I am trying to impose my will on you;)

I do want a leader who will make decisions that may not be popular among the masses, as long as those decisions are made with the good of the masses in mind. I do believe that President Bush has made unpopular decisions that have kept American's safer despite the skewed popularity polls. Why is it that I don't find all of these people who supposedly can't stand President Bush?

I don't want to catch flies at all. I don't care if flies exist as long as they don't ruin my way of life. Are you suggesting we lie to our enemies, lure them in with niceties and then swat them down or otherwise capture them? Just what does catching flies with honey have to do with protecting our citizens from terrorists wanting to murder us?

[RoBoTeq]

OOohhhYeahhh...and that would be the lying flip flopping Obummer I 'spose, huh?

We need a president who takes his job serious enough to do the unpopular thing, and defend the homeland when it is attacked. That's his job, and he did it. Since we entered into a war on terrorism, that they asked for, nothing has been done on US soil since. We all have gone to work every day since without a thought about what buildings and where, were about to become a landing pad for a 747. Thank God we had a MAN in the whitehouse at the time, instead of the spineless wussies that were there before him, or that he ran against.
Obama doesn't just flip flop for the hell of it you know. He only sounds like he doesn't have any firm position so we will all like him and he can be popular. Isn't hearing what we want to hear more important then having a leader who is willing to do his/her job despite their popularity?

[acmanko]

Obama doesn't just flip flop for the hell of it you know. He only sounds like he doesn't have any firm position so we will all like him and he can be popular. Isn't hearing what we want to hear more important then having a leader who is willing to do his/her job despite their popularity?after 8 years of the present administration ,yes. I agree

[glennac]

after 8 years of the present administration ,yes. I agree

Perhaps you have no desire for honesty and integrity in public office. Some folks got used to lies and selling out our country under 8 years of Clinton and wish for a return. Arlington Cemetery, the Lincoln bedroom, pardons, missile secrets, our national defense, etc were all on the auction block under Clinton.

[RoBoTeq]

after 8 years of the present administration ,yes. I agree
President Bush is one of the lowest popularity rated presidents in history because he is making decisions that are unpopular to the leftist population of the United States but overall for the best for Americans overall. Sort of like our parents making decisions that kept us safe despite our rants about how much we hated them for not letting us play nice with the neigborhood pediphiles.

[acmanko]

actually, I'm not refering to his foriegn policy but to his economic house of cards. which is crashing down around all of us, but especially his right leaning friends

[glennac]

Double post

[glennac]

actually, I'm not refering to his foriegn policy but to his economic house of cards. which is crashing down around all of us, but especially his right leaning friends

I presume you are referring to those who oppose Bush's support for: open borders, spending billions of or tax dollars on Aids in Africa, support for the Global Warming fiasco, prosecuting border agents for doing there job in shooting a drug smuggler, etc.

"* Early in his tenure, Bush signed a huge education bill that was authored by none other than Ted Kennedy, a liberal Democrat. The measure cost $68 billion, the biggest education bill in history.
* Bush promised $16 billion to help fight AIDS in Africa. Money that could have been used to help the troops, or even put back into the economy.
* There was that $10 million hike in federal funding for the National Endowment of the Arts. Something about the idea of taxpayers funding "artists" that perform pornography just doesn't sit right.
* Bush has signed a huge $450 billion Medicare Bill promising prescription drugs to seniors. And since entitlement programs hardly get disbanded, it's the first step to universal government healthcare (a liberal idea.) The administration recently admitted the bill would cost a little more: a whopping $534 billion over the next 10 years. Such is the screwed up logic of liberals: pay for Bill Gates' pills when he retires, but don't dare send money to our own troops fighting overseas.
* Most recently, Bush promised near-amnesty for the estimated 10 million illegal aliens in the country while our borders desperately need more surveillance."
http://media.www.thewhitonline.com/media/storage/paper291/news/2004/02/26/Opinion/Bush-Not.A.Consevative.Liberal.Policies.Tarnish.Republi can.Party-622516.shtml

Yeah your right. :rolleyes: ??? His right wing friends who oppose those measures are the bad ones.:eek::rolleyes::confused:

[newoldtech]

I completely disagree with all of the sentiments expressed here. These are just differing opinions between us, so don't think I am trying to impose my will on you;)

I do want a leader who will make decisions that may not be popular among the masses, as long as those decisions are made with the good of the masses in mind. I do believe that President Bush has made unpopular decisions that have kept American's safer despite the skewed popularity polls. Why is it that I don't find all of these people who supposedly can't stand President Bush?

I don't want to catch flies at all. I don't care if flies exist as long as they don't ruin my way of life. Are you suggesting we lie to our enemies, lure them in with niceties and then swat them down or otherwise capture them? Just what does catching flies with honey have to do with protecting our citizens from terrorists wanting to murder us?

I totally agree we need a leader who can make the tough decisions. For me its a matter of trust. I just don't trust Bush's motives or intelligence. Thats just my personal feel for him. I could be wrong but he just bothers me (and most, even if you aren't personally seeing just check any poll.) and most people I see aren't big fans either. Besides my war issues with him I also can't get past why he pardoned or whatever he did to get that person who leaked that CIA's identity to the press off the hook. Dude just rubs me the wrong way.

As far as my catching flies analogy, its just meant to say if you come across as an arrogant bully people will not respect or want to deal with you in good faith. Again you can be tough without being an ahole.

[RoBoTeq]

actually, I'm not refering to his foriegn policy but to his economic house of cards. which is crashing down around all of us, but especially his right leaning friends
While I am not convinced that President Bush would sell out the U.S. for his business buds, I do not think much of his domestic policies either. I still want to have better explanations for not beefing up our borders and not having illegals removed from the U.S.

[acmanko]

While I am not convinced that President Bush would sell out the U.S. for his business buds, I do not think much of his domestic policies either. I still want to have better explanations for not beefing up our borders and not having illegals removed from the U.S. His brother Jeb is Married to Mexican woman and his nephew iis half Mexican. I don't think anything else can be said about.

[TB]

actually, I'm not refering to his foriegn policy but to his economic house of cards. which is crashing down around all of us, but especially his right leaning friends

That would be the one built by the Clinton admin? The one that allowed banks to loan money to people who couldnt afford it and would end up in forclosures, simply because the Clinton admin. guaranteed the banks they'd get Govn't money (from our pockets) to cover their losses? Or maybe you're thinking of NAFTA, another Clinton brain drizzel that started the mass job exodus from our nation?

Bush probly realized that of the major screw ups inherited from Clinton, the US people could crawl out of a finantial problem, but only if there was still a free country to live in while they did it, so he made the choice to focus on keeping us free and safe. Poor US.

[acmanko]

That would be the one built by the Clinton admin? The one that allowed banks to loan money to people who couldnt afford it and would end up in forclosures, simply because the Clinton admin. guaranteed the banks they'd get Govn't money (from our pockets) to cover their losses? Or maybe you're thinking of NAFTA, another Clinton brain drizzel that started the mass job exodus from our nation?

Bush probly realized that of the major screw ups inherited from Clinton, the US people could crawl out of a finantial problem, but only if there was still a free country to live in while they did it, so he made the choice to focus on keeping us free and safe. Poor US.
lets analise this. Clinton was Pres in the 1990's and the subprime loans were made in the 2000's. It was Bush that said all Americans deserve a Home.

[k-fridge]

lets analise this. Clinton was Pres in the 1990's and the subprime loans were made in the 2000's. It was Bush that said all Americans deserve a Home.

Careful there AC, people will talk.

It's spelled analyze. :D

[acmanko]

Careful there AC, people will talk.

It's spelled analyze. :Dare you sure:D

[bootlen]

His brother Jeb is Married to Mexican woman and his nephew iis half Mexican. I don't think anything else can be said about.

You sure? I thought she is an American of Mexican descent. And I'm sure his nephew is an American.

What're you?

[acmanko]

You sure? I thought she is an American of Mexican descent. And I'm sure his nephew is an American.

What're you? I'm Scott-Irish and Italian

[bootlen]

I'm Scott-Irish and Italian

And all this time I thought you were an American.

Silly me.

[acmanko]

And all this time I thought you were an American.

Silly me.see that's where you are grosslyuninformed . an American can be any person from the Tip of Argentina to the end of Canada. I am a US Citizen, by birth. Just as President Bush's inlaw and nephew, but they happen to be Mexican American with Family in Mexico.

[Skip 2 my lou]

Can someone tell me why Obama is on a victory tour, scouring the earth prior to the election. I can just see him with looking like the Joker in the first batman movie, a pimp cane tightly in his grasp with the "can you feel it " song playing.

Respresenting someone who is a candidate to represent the United States.

That's one hell of a job title.:o

[everythingair]

His brother Jeb is Married to Mexican woman and his nephew iis half Mexican. I don't think anything else can be said about.

So, by this reasoning, if Barack Obama becomes the next U.S. president Americans can expect the government to start catering to Americans who are even partially Black and of course Muslims because both Obama's biological and step fathers are Muslim?

Your comment was just completely silly and child like in thinking. With that sort of thinking, no president can ever be trusted to have the best interest of all Americans in mind.

[acmanko]

So, by this reasoning, if Barack Obama becomes the next U.S. president Americans can expect the government to start catering to Americans who are even partially Black and of course Muslims because both Obama's biological and step fathers are Muslim?

Your comment was just completely silly and child like in thinking. With that sort of thinking, no president can ever be trusted to have the best interest of all Americans in mind.we already cater to Blacks and Muslims. what rock have you been hiding under.?

[everythingair]

see that's where you are grosslyuninformed . an American can be any person from the Tip of Argentina to the end of Canada. I am a US Citizen, by birth. Just as President Bush's inlaw and nephew, but they happen to be Mexican American with Family in Mexico.

Are you really this contrary or are you just pretending to be overtly argumentative simply to confuse all issues you participate in conversation with? People from Argentina refer to themselves as Argentinian, people from Canada refer to themselves as Canadian and citizens of the United States refer to themselves as Americans. If you didn't realize this, now you have no excuse to again be so ignorant of this fact. The proper way to refer to one self is by place of birth and then nationality. If the place of birth is the same as the nationality but different then family heritage, nationality should be referred to foremost with place of decent mentioned secondarily. Unless you were born in Scotland, Ireland and/or Italy, you are an American of Scots-Irish and Italian descent.

[acmanko]

Are you really this contrary or are you just pretending to be overtly argumentative simply to confuse all issues you participate in conversation with? People from Argentina refer to themselves as Argentinian, people from Canada refer to themselves as Canadian and citizens of the United States refer to themselves as Americans. If you didn't realize this, now you have no excuse to again be so ignorant of this fact. The proper way to refer to one self is by place of birth and then nationality. If the place of birth is the same as the nationality but different then family heritage, nationality should be referred to foremost with place of decent mentioned secondarily. Unless you were born in Scotland, Ireland and/or Italy, you are an American of Scots-Irish and Italian descent.welcome to ARP:D

[everythingair]

we already cater to Blacks and Muslims. what rock have you been hiding under.?

Your red herring response in no way addresses my querie to you; do you expect and accept that if Barack Obama becomes president that it he will, by the nature of his heritage and family ties, cater more to Blacks and Muslims? You made the accusation that President Bush is doing so, so is this the way you think people of leadership behave in general?

[everythingair]

welcome to ARP:D

Why do you avoid straight forward answers and conversation? Do you truly believe that American citizens such as President Bush's sister in law are bound to be referred to by the place of their heritage rather then the place of their birth and their nationality? Do you not consider yourself to be foremost an American? Do you pledge allegiance to Scotland, Ireland or Italy? Please; it is much too early to be dancing so much.

[acmanko]

Sir, we already have thousands of Blacks in the innercities on welfare, its not something President Bush has done. We have troops in 4 Muslim countries. spending their paychecks to the benifit of their economy, not ours. I have not implied anything that is not true. Mr Bush has personal ties to Americans of Mexican heritage, is a close friend of Mexico's last President and is from Texas. which has a considerable Hispanic culture mixed with Americans.

If you were to travel out of this country, south in particular , you would learn you are not an American but a Gringo. I can attest that people from other countries on the American Continents consider theirselves to be American also. My wife is from Panama and considers herself American and a naturalized US Citizen. if you travel to Europe , we are known as Yanks or colonists.
sincerly
David Vines aka acmanko

[everythingair]

Sir, we already have thousands of Blacks in the innercities on welfare, its not something President Bush has done. We have troops in 4 Muslim countries. spending their paychecks to the benifit of their economy, not ours. I have not implied anything that is not true. Mr Bush has personal ties to Americans of Mexican heritage, is a close friend of Mexico's last President and is from Texas. which has a considerable Hispanic culture mixed with Americans.

If you were to travel out of this country, south in particular , you would learn you are not an American but a Gringo. I can attest that people from other countries on the American Continents consider theirselves to be American also. My wife is from Panama and considers herself American and a naturalized US Citizen. if you travel to Europe , we are known as Yanks or colonists.
sincerly
David Vines aka acmanko

I have traveled, lived and worked elsewhere in the world then the United States, and you are still using semantics to be argumentative.

[acmanko]

I have traveled, lived and worked elsewhere in the world then the United States, and you are still using semantics to be argumentative.
well I did not really know what semantics meant , so I looked it up. I'm not the only one.:D

[mrs reb77]

And here I thought semantics were Jewish! :eek:

[tonys]

???

[Andy Schoen]

???

Semantic... Semitic... you've got to be on the ball to post in this forum. :p

[tonys]

on-the-ball,

OR

amused by simpleton-comedy?

[mrs reb77]

A sense of humor is better than no sense at all. :D

[glennac]

........ if you travel to Europe , we are known as Yanks or colonists.
sincerly
David Vines aka acmanko

I doupt that you have traveled to Europe because in Germany and France we are not considered "yanks or colonists" but Americans. In fact I doupt that you could even hear that mentioned in Britain much either especially "colonists". Let's try to keep our posts honnest and without the spin. Colonists my foot give me a break. We are "Americans" in Europe and that is a fact because I have been there and have some second cousins in Germany and they always say Americans when referring to us and use "America" when referring to the USA.

We also are the only country in the Western hemisphere that using "America" in our name, the USA. So please get your facts striaght and stop making things up. Let's stop all this BS of saying that we are not Americans we are. You do have South Americans and Latin Americans but we are the only "Americans". Thank you

[acmanko]

Gee Glen, even when I'm not trying I manage to get a burr under your saddle. Lighten up, next thing you know K-fridge will be checking on us to make sure we stay civil:rolleyes:, and I really don't care for the confrontation cause I can't ride you hard and put you away wet. :D. How about I extend you a hand in frienship and you just take what I say with a grain of sugar instead of tablespoon of salt. peace .:)

[glennac]

Gee Glen, even when I'm not trying I manage to get a burr under your saddle. Lighten up, next thing you know K-fridge will be checking on us to make sure we stay civil:rolleyes:, and I really don't care for the confrontation cause I can't ride you hard and put you away wet. :D. How about I extend you a hand in frienship and you just take what I say with a grain of sugar instead of tablespoon of salt. peace .:)

ok acmanko, sorry I just feel a little froggy lately. Didn't mean to jump on you, pour yourself a beer on me bud. "American" beer though.:D:D:D

[Skip 2 my lou]

Why did you have to repeatedly pull the race card? Muslim is not a race. it is a way of life, and might I add, one that we are all going to become painfully familiar with when this bumbling fool takes over.

It's not his fault he will win, nobody is running against him.

It's not anybodies fault for being on welfare, the stupid a** government offers free money to anyone who can play the system.

It's not the mexicans fault (see previous sentence.)




with a parting thought.....

Why would anyone blow up a country, rebuild it just to blow it up again.

Kindof like getting in the ring with Tyson......He will bite your ear and beat you black and blue.......but you get 3 million for losing.

Sign me up.

[acmanko]

ok acmanko, sorry I just feel a little froggy lately. Didn't mean to jump on you, pour yourself a beer on me bud. "American" beer though.:D:D:DDeal, but I only buy Budwieser and its going overseas now. what a man going to do now:)

[bootlen]

Deal, but I only buy Budwieser and its going overseas now. what a man going to do now:)

Colorado Cool-aid.

[sline-dawg]

Colorado Cool-aid. Rather send my money to Dutch.......:p

[mrs reb77]

Ah, but the Colorado cool-aid is no longer American owned either. Found that out while we were biatchin about AB and Inbev!

[RoBoTeq]

And here I thought semantics were Jewish! :eek:
Nahhhh reb, you're being anti-semantic doesn't make you a bigot;)

[RoBoTeq]

I doupt that you have traveled to Europe because in Germany and France we are not considered "yanks or colonists" but Americans. In fact I doupt that you could even hear that mentioned in Britain much either especially "colonists". Let's try to keep our posts honnest and without the spin. Colonists my foot give me a break. We are "Americans" in Europe and that is a fact because I have been there and have some second cousins in Germany and they always say Americans when referring to us and use "America" when referring to the USA.

We also are the only country in the Western hemisphere that using "America" in our name, the USA. So please get your facts striaght and stop making things up. Let's stop all this BS of saying that we are not Americans we are. You do have South Americans and Latin Americans but we are the only "Americans". Thank you
I gotta admit that in a drunken altercation with a local in a bar in Dublin, I was referred to as a Yank, and it was not meant to be a nicety. I agree that only in the British Isles would we Americans be referred to as Yanks and no where is the term Colonist used any longer.

[RoBoTeq]

Why did you have to repeatedly pull the race card? Muslim is not a race. it is a way of life, and might I add, one that we are all going to become painfully familiar with when this bumbling fool takes over.

It's not his fault he will win, nobody is running against him.

It's not anybodies fault for being on welfare, the stupid a** government offers free money to anyone who can play the system.

It's not the mexicans fault (see previous sentence.)




with a parting thought.....

Why would anyone blow up a country, rebuild it just to blow it up again.

Kindof like getting in the ring with Tyson......He will bite your ear and beat you black and blue.......but you get 3 million for losing.

Sign me up.
Who are you responding to? I don't see any continuity between your rambling post and anything else being discussed on this thread. Did you accidentally respond on here about another thread?

[Andy Schoen]

on-the-ball,

OR

amused by simpleton-comedy?

Yes, it was simple comedy to me. Shakespeare used it frequently. Why do so many people find it difficult? :confused: