Frost on a/c coil, why?

[jhooker]

Hi everyone,

I found this site while looking to see if I actually have a problem with my air conditioner. It seems like my house is not quite as coll this summer as it has been in the past, it's not intolerable, just not super duper cold!

I see some frost is getting on the coil and when I told my best friend who is a neighbor, he said he didn't think it should be frosting, but wasn't sure.

I think it's not the problem, I figured air conditioners get really cold so some frosting is okay.

If anyone can tell me for sure if this the problem, I thank you. If you need anymore details I'll do the best I can to get them.

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frostonacni6.jpg

[RDP]

Are you joking.

[jhooker]

Are you joking.

?

[RyanHughes]

Most definitely a problem, and it needs to be checked out by a service company. Running the unit like that is very bad for the system. Air can't pass through a sheet of ice.

[jhooker]

Is that something they usually charge for?

I called a guy I work with and he said it just wasn't carrying the cold into the house. Can I just hose it off?

[RDP]

Is that something they usually charge for?

I called a guy I work with and he said it just wasn't carrying the cold into the house. Can I just hose it off?

Like I said!!!!!!!!!

[RyanHughes]

Yes, having service done on your unit is indeed a service and does cost money. Hosing the frost off won't be of much help. Your system has a problem somewhere causing the frosting and it is not good for your system to let it continue to run like this. I'd rather service the unit now then pay for a new unit/system down the road when it breaks from this.

[captube]

Looks like a good place to set your beer while B-B-Q ing.

Your way of reducing global warming :cool:

[Hotwater]

why would the condenser freeze, unless its a heat pump and in that case, isn't it July?

[jhooker]

I know that it isn't a heat pump because that's one of things we asked when we bought this house. We pay a gas bill in the winter.

My brother came and looked at it and said if the house felt okay inside we should be okay.

[Roscoe]

hehehe get some marshmallows and sticks and have some frozen marshmallows






dang................:D

[RyanHughes]

I know that it isn't a heat pump because that's one of things we asked when we bought this house. We pay a gas bill in the winter.

My brother came and looked at it and said if the house felt okay inside we should be okay.

I think you'll be surprised when the thing breaks, running like that. A service call could fix something simple that would save you down the road.

[Garc33]

I know that it isn't a heat pump because that's one of things we asked when we bought this house. We pay a gas bill in the winter.

My brother came and looked at it and said if the house felt okay inside we should be okay.

Is your brother a HVAC tech?? How can he know it's okay? Just because it felt "okay" inside the house? Your brother must not like you if he said that;). I know I would tell my brother to call someone out to get it serviced. Good luck to you.

[captube]

I'm pretty sure his brother is a plumber :)

[jhooker]

well, it started getting a little warm in here and we got a new baby so the wife turned it down to 70. the other pointer is on 86 right now but it really is hot out today. 99 is what it said in my pickup thermometer. we'll see how it does now.

my brother isn't a plumber, he drives otr for jb hunt, he's been there almost 10 years now.

[RoBoTeq]

Not to worry about that frost, that's how the system gets the cold air. By the way, in the winter your furnace may have a continuous flame around it as well. Again, not to worry, that's just how it works.

OH! If you are not a troll, CALL SOMEBODY TO FIX YOUR COOLING SYSTEM!

[jhooker]

I've been trying to read up on some of the other stories here and it sounds like frosting or ice on the coil might be a clogged filter? I've looked around but don't see one, so either that's not the trouble or I just can't find it.

I guess if I can't fix this I'll call a repair shop Monday.

[KB Cool]

I think its a forum member playing a joke. Quite possibly a pro.

[RDP]

I think its a forum member playing a joke. Quite possibly a pro.

Yea thats what I said from the beginning cause nobody is that ignorant.

[jhooker]

well........somebody is, cause there's the picture

[hangfirew8]

Is that something they usually charge for?

I called a guy I work with and he said it just wasn't carrying the cold into the house. Can I just hose it off?

http://www.achrnews.com/Articles/Service_and_Maintenance/2a4e785a1d16a010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____

[jhooker]

thanks for that.

even if it's not a heat pump I can still hose it down with water?

I tried to pull a cover off it to find the filter to see if it's dirty but all those panels are froze on. I found some more articles in here about dirty filter making the coil ice so now I think that's what it is.

Thanks again

[RyanHughes]

Hint: the filter is located inside... assuming there is one.

[jhooker]

duhhh, the panels are froze. I can't get to the inside.

[RDP]

duhhh, the panels are froze. I can't get to the inside.

DO NOT defrost it with a hose.Go get yourself a screwdriver and stab all the ice off of it.:rolleyes:

[thandar56]

Hi everyone,

I found this site while looking to see if I actually have a problem with my air conditioner. It seems like my house is not quite as coll this summer as it has been in the past, it's not intolerable, just not super duper cold!

I see some frost is getting on the coil and when I told my best friend who is a neighbor, he said he didn't think it should be frosting, but wasn't sure.

I think it's not the problem, I figured air conditioners get really cold so some frosting is okay.

If anyone can tell me for sure if this the problem, I thank you. If you need anymore details I'll do the best I can to get them.

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frostonacni6.jpg
low on refrigerant(which might be due to a leak somewhere in the system) or low air flow

[catmanacman]

DO NOT defrost it with a hose.Go get yourself a screwdriver and stab all the ice off of it.:rolleyes:

very good lmao ,if you do not know where the filter is that could be your problem call someone that knows what they are doing like a ac service co will save money the long run

[RomulanSpy]

duhhh, the panels are froze. I can't get to the inside.

Scrape profusely into bowl

Add Strawberry, Cherry, or Grape flavoring syrup

wala, you gotta slush

[tinmantu]

You have your filter in backwards, dude!

[captube]

I bet it's charged with ES22a

If it's leaking outside don't be smoking around it.

[Tiger93rsl]

DO NOT defrost it with a hose.Go get yourself a screwdriver and stab all the ice off of it.:rolleyes:LMAO....if you hear it start to hiss at you....then you know you went too deep and made it mad.

[RDP]

I bet it's charged with ES22a

If it's leaking outside don't be smoking around it.

Why not it is completly safe according to the idiot that runs the show.:rolleyes:

[jhooker]

DO NOT defrost it with a hose.Go get yourself a screwdriver and stab all the ice off of it.:rolleyes:

I may have to do that. I hosed it off but it kept freezing back. We're running the sprinkler on it right now to unthaw it out.

I finally got a couple of the covers off but didn't see anything that looked like a filter. Do they all have one? I was pretty sure that was going to be the problem.

The house has cooled down to 84 so I think it might be starting to work a little.

I don't know a whole lot about these coolers, but still I don't see how it gets the cold inside the house.

[Tiger93rsl]

I bet it's charged with ES22a

If it's leaking outside don't be smoking around it.lmao...this is some good stuff right here....he could sniff at the leak and get a buzz :eek:

[Tiger93rsl]

I may have to do that. I hosed it off but it kept freezing back. We're running the sprinkler on it right now to unthaw it out.

I finally got a couple of the covers off but didn't see anything that looked like a filter. Do they all have one? I was pretty sure that was going to be the problem.

The house has cooled down to 84 so I think it might be starting to work a little.

I don't know a whole lot about these coolers, but still I don't see how it gets the cold inside the house.Man I'm telling you call a contractor or it will cost you a lot more in the run. just shut the AC off leave the fan run and make that phone call.

[RDP]

I may have to do that. I hosed it off but it kept freezing back. We're running the sprinkler on it right now to unthaw it out.

I finally got a couple of the covers off but didn't see anything that looked like a filter. Do they all have one? I was pretty sure that was going to be the problem.

The house has cooled down to 84 so I think it might be starting to work a little.

I don't know a whole lot about these coolers, but still I don't see how it gets the cold inside the house.

Just remember don't stop until you see a big cloud, that is when you know it is defrosting real fast.The filter is right beside that small line coming out of the compressor just grab that line and move it out of your way.

[catmanacman]

could we get a picture a good service tech will have no problem finding the filter if it has one and if it dont have one they will find that also i would just turn it off it will thaw in a couple of hrs it is better if it is not iced up when the service person gets there is it a package unit or is it a split system

[Tiger93rsl]

Just remember don't stop until you see a big cloud, that is when you know it is defrosting real fast.The filter is right beside that small line coming out of the compressor just grab that line and move it out of your way.You guys just crack me up...ROLMAO

[RDP]

could we get a picture a good service tech will have no problem finding the filter if it has one and if it dont have one they will find that also i would just turn it off it will thaw in a couple of hrs it is better if it is not iced up when the service person gets there is it a package unit or is it a split system

Going by the pic in the op first post split.He is just messing with everyone.

[captube]

could we get a picture a good service tech will have no problem finding the filter if it has one
Here you go, i'll save my guess so as not to give it away ;)
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frostonacni6.jpg

[RDP]

Here you go, i'll save my guess so as not to give it away ;)
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frostonacni6.jpg

What you can't see that filter?:cool:

[aintitfun]

[QUOTE=jhooker;1932738]I may have to do that. I hosed it off but it kept freezing back. We're running the sprinkler on it right now to unthaw it out.


Well lets see THAWING it out I understand, you would melt the ice. UNTHAWING it out, how does that work, are ya gonna stick ice cubes to it.

[jhooker]

could we get a picture a good service tech will have no problem finding the filter if it has one and if it dont have one they will find that also i would just turn it off it will thaw in a couple of hrs it is better if it is not iced up when the service person gets there is it a package unit or is it a split system

it was hard to get the camera very far away cause the panel is on the back. hope this helps, thanks.

http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icythingy2cx0.jpg

[jhooker]

with everything so cold outside it should be getting colder in the house.

i just checked and it has cooled down to 78 now. guess we'll just try it til monday and call the repair guy if we really need to.

[aintitfun]

with everything so cold outside it should be getting colder in the house.

i just checked and it has cooled down to 78 now. guess we'll just try it til monday and call the repair guy if we really need to.

TRUST ME YOU REALLY NEED TO, YOU ARE KILLING THE COMPRESSOR.

[jhooker]

do you think it will be okay with the sprinkler on it?

also, when is the fan blade on top supposed to come on?

[captube]

do you think it will be okay with the sprinkler on it?

also, when is the fan blade on top supposed to come on?

We need a picture with the sprinkler to be accurate.

[aintitfun]

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[aintitfun]

Well he is right, let me see your sprinkler set up

[captube]

I don't think a tech can help you , i'm thinking it's possessed

[Tiger93rsl]

Yes, you must be getting atleast 2.2 GPM on the unit for it to work we must see a pic

[penetr8or]

If you hook up a few electric resistance heaters, or better yet a propane heater and direct them at your outdoor coil, this will rectify your problem. The problem here is that you have to force the "coolness" on the coil into the house. By heating it up outside you will achieve this goal and will probably even mange to maintain about a 29*f temp inside the house. Good luck!

[Silver06]

Um, isn't that a Trane compressor in a rooftop unit, and its in a Payne?:confused:

[jhooker]

the guy put in either a rebuilt condenser or compressor, one or the other about 2 weeks ago?

[Silver06]

Hope he port and polished it. How many revolutions was on the revolometer?

[aintitfun]

the guy put in either a rebuilt condenser or compressor, one or the other about 2 weeks ago?

You didnt bother to mention that till now, How many here, think that compressor is not properly sized for the condenser. LOL Any how where is the pic of this sprinkler set up.

[Tiger93rsl]

the guy put in either a rebuilt condenser or compressor, one or the other about 2 weeks ago?Geez...now the truth comes out. they probably sold you some used compressor they had sitting in the shop. You need to get someone who knows what there doing, your system is totally screwed up and now it's propably going to cost you a lot more in the long run. And we need to see that pic of the sprinkler.

[captube]

the guy put in either a rebuilt condenser or compressor, one or the other about 2 weeks ago?

Condenser, compressor

Your grass needs attention it's brown looking, i'm no lawn tech. but i have seen better looking lawns.

Where is the disconnect located that maybe a code violation.

[Tiger93rsl]

Yea your grass is brown maybe you should point that sprinkler on your lawn insted of your condenser....buy the way have you heard of scottsman's turf builder it works really good :D

[catmanacman]

it is a trayne

[dezerttech]

THis has to be a joke who in the hell is running a heat pump in july????And why the hell would it freeze nun the less???And why doesn't someone PLEASE put that ancient carrier out of it's misery!!!

[AccurateHT]

Ive seen this before, when the guy installed the rebuilt unit he mixed up the indoor unit frezone with the outdoor unit frezone. Unfortunatly now he'll have to switch the two units around. With a gas indoor unit this means new gas pipe to the out door location VERY PRICEY!

[riderman]

First off, I agree with some here that believe this is a joke. 3 people, op, neighbor, brother inlaw thinks this is OK. Figure the odd's of all three being so nieve.

With that being said, is it even posible for the Condensor and compressor to freeze up (like in the picture's the op posted) on a 99 degree OD temp with indoor temps as the op stated?


Pro's, please respond, jokes aside. I dont see how a restriction, like a LL filter, low airflow, or anything can cause this massive CU freeze over on a typical summer day and still achieve cooling in the home.

[beenthere]

Thats a HP.
And this thread is a joke.

If you look at the pic of the compressor, you can see the edge of the Trane unit he/someone took a pic of.

[riderman]

Thats a HP.
And this thread is a joke.

If you look at the pic of the compressor, you can see the edge of the Trane unit he/someone took a pic of.


That is why you guy's are the pro's.......I didnt catch that. I'm a little slow sometimes.

Thanks BT

[blackbelt3677]

looks cool!!

[AccurateHT]

Im pretty sure I can see the leak on that RTU from here. Wait..... Yep my dtek is goin' off out in the truck.

[RoBoTeq]

it was hard to get the camera very far away cause the panel is on the back. hope this helps, thanks.

http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icythingy2cx0.jpg
So, is that a Trane compressor in an ICP unit?

Is there any circumstance where a condenser coil can frost up?

[RoBoTeq]

First off, I agree with some here that believe this is a joke. 3 people, op, neighbor, brother inlaw thinks this is OK. Figure the odd's of all three being so nieve.

With that being said, is it even posible for the Condensor and compressor to freeze up (like in the picture's the op posted) on a 99 degree OD temp with indoor temps as the op stated?


Pro's, please respond, jokes aside. I dont see how a restriction, like a LL filter, low airflow, or anything can cause this massive CU freeze over on a typical summer day and still achieve cooling in the home.
I've seen several ice monsters around compressors, but not on the condenser coil. I have photos of the testing of a five ton Goodman condenser operating with the compressor encased in ice.

[marvin]

with the frost on the ground by the unit & the coil it looks to me like some one had a couple of cans of spray snow leftover from christmas

[Silver06]

I've seen several ice monsters around compressors, but not on the condenser coil. I have photos of the testing of a five ton Goodman condenser operating with the compressor encased in ice.


Ah, RoBo

Did you have a "snowball" moment?:D

[RoBoTeq]

Ah, RoBo

Did you have a "snowball" moment?:D
Wasn't quite as pretty as snowball. The five ton Bristol recip had beeb grossly overcharged to compensate for a completely blocked indoor coil. It was basically an ice machine.

[jhooker]

Thats a HP.
And this thread is a joke.

If you look at the pic of the compressor, you can see the edge of the Trane unit he/someone took a pic of.

...we have a winner.

that first pic actually is a pic taken during a home inspection. not mine, but i got a laugh when i first saw it...

the threadkiller was insisting on a pic of the sprinkler on it....

wasn't sure where this fishing trip was gonna end up on a saturday night but it was all good.....and please, watch your step while leaving the boat.


j hook er

[Swampfox]

excellent trolling performance :D

[Silver06]

Wasn't quite as pretty as snowball. The five ton Bristol recip had beeb grossly overcharged to compensate for a completely blocked indoor coil. It was basically an ice machine.


That wasn't at Goodman's GOOT facility. Ya know, Goodman Outdoor Overcharge Testing.

Just funnin' you Robo

Take care.

[jhooker]

Most definitely a problem, and it needs to be checked out by a service company. Running the unit like that is very bad for the system. Air can't pass through a sheet of ice.


Is that something they usually charge for?

I called a guy I work with and he said it just wasn't carrying the cold into the house. Can I just hose it off?


....memorable, for sure

[RyanHughes]

Yes, having service done on your unit is indeed a service and does cost money. ... :D

[Airmechanical]

Thats a HP.and this thread is a joke.


give the guy a break, he lives in the north pole:eek:



.

[BatleDoo]

This is Guy is working my side of the street!

[RoBoTeq]

That wasn't at Goodman's GOOT facility. Ya know, Goodman Outdoor Overcharge Testing.

Just funnin' you Robo

Take care.
No, that was an operational field unit conditioning a couple of classrooms of a school in Cayman. In the aftermath of Hurricane Ivan, workers in Cayman were going nutso trying to get so many Hurricane damaged but still surviving buildings back up and running.

Even though there was a lot of expats coming into Cayman to rebuild it, I give the Caymanian's a lot of credit for putting themselves back together in a relatively quick time span. When you are frantically working on an entire island's worth of equipment at one time you tend to miss a few details.