Carrying A Firearm in Public

[NormChris]

There is a growing movement across the U.S. of folks openly carrying a firearm. This is perfectly legal in most states. After learning about it I gave it a try driving across three states with my Glock on my belt and in plain sight.

I had several conversations with people at rest stops, gas stations, restautants and my hotel. Never had a problem with law enforcement even though I ran across several officers who clearly saw me.

You can learn more by going to www.opencarry.org and read for yourself as well as learn the laws in your state. I also happen to have a concealed carry permit but I don't need one to carry openly in my state or several of the states around me.

I have carried concealed for years now but now that the weather is hot I am carrying openly. I will attend a concert tonight downtown and carry openly.

[NormChris]

Here is a newspaper piece on the open carry movement.

http://www.gazette.com/opinion/educate_37356___article.html/firearms_business.html

[snewman24]

There is a growing movement across the U.S. of folks openly carrying a firearm. This is perfectly legal in most states. After learning about it I gave it a try driving across three states with my Glock on my belt and in plain sight.


If I was going to carry, I would NEVER advertise the fact and take away the number one advantage concealed carry gives you - the element of surprise. If the bad guys know you have a gun, then they'll just surprise you from behind when you aren't expecting it and blow your brains out. Why give them this advantage. It kind of defeats the purpose of "packing". Just my opinion.

[mrs reb77]

I don't think I'd be going to that part of town!!

Missouri is open carry as well as concealed carry w/ permit, has been for years. Most people in our small towns aren't openly carrying for protection though, they're going out shooting somewhere or hunting (going to/returning from).
Many is the time I'm extremely glad I don't live in the big bad city...

[NormChris]

If I was going to carry, I would NEVER advertise the fact and take away the number one advantage concealed carry gives you - the element of surprise. If the bad guys know you have a gun, then they'll just surprise you from behind when you aren't expecting it and blow your brains out. Why give them this advantage. It kind of defeats the purpose of "packing". Just my opinion.

Your point is well taken and has been the topic of a great deal of discussion at the opencarry.org forum. One of the counter arguments is that the reverse is true. Only a fool would mess with someone who is clearly and openly armed. And, in fact since the beginning of the open carry movement there are no examples of anyone openly armed being attacked. However, there are many examples of a crime getting stopped at the very sight of a citizen openly carrying arriving at the scene.

[acmanko]

carrying a gun in the open is alright by me. more people ought to do it.

[NormChris]

carrying a gun in the open is alright by me. more people ought to do it.

acmanco, there is currently a movement in Texas to make it legal in Texas. Texas is one of the few so called "gun friendly" states that currently does not allow it even though it allows CC. I think that is going to change to allow open carry in Texas.

If you visit www.opencarry.org you will find a great deal of interesting information on this topic and how it applies in your particular state as well as other states you may visit or drive thru.

[acmanko]

well, if I feel like I need a gun I just load the shotgun and lay it in the back seat, as long a a round is not chambered I don't have much to worry about.

[snewman24]

I don't think I'd be going to that part of town!!
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Bad people have the freedom to go anywhere, and are EVERYWHERE. You're just not aware of them.

[bootlen]

Your point is well taken and has been the topic of a great deal of discussion at the opencarry.org forum. One of the counter arguments is that the reverse is true. Only a fool would mess with someone who is clearly and openly armed.

So this is why libs are opposed to weapons...they love messing with people and messing with an armed person would prove them to be fools!:eek:










:D:cool:

[snewman24]

................ Only a fool would mess with someone who is clearly and openly armed. And, in fact since the beginning of the open carry movement there are no examples of anyone openly armed being attacked. ...................................

Both statements are ridiculous. You're no more a bad *ss, then the criminal who is also carrying. If you have something they want badly enough, your gun is not going to intimidate them. They're just going to blast you without warning.

Also, tell all the dead police officers and armored truck guards that they can't possibly be dead since they were openly carrying handguns when they were cut down by the criminals.

[k-fridge]

Some of you may be familiar with Kennesaw, Ga. where a law was passed in '82 which requires each household to own a gun. Quite an interesting experiment.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n15_v46/ai_15729634

[controldude]

Norm,
I'm with you 100% I too carry openly and don't intend to get ccw because here in CO. once you get your ccw you can't open carry this is one of thier stipulations.

[NormChris]

Both statements are ridiculous. You're no more a bad *ss, then the criminal who is also carrying. If you have something they want badly enough, your gun is not going to intimidate them. They're just going to blast you without warning.

Also, tell all the dead police officers and armored truck guards that they can't possibly be dead since they were openly carrying handguns when they were cut down by the criminals.

Given the choice the bad guys will avoid the guy with the gun and find someone who is unarmed to mess with. Many a problem has been shut down early on at that the appearance of a lawful gun at the scene. Check out the web site.

[NormChris]

Norm,
I'm with you 100% I too carry openly and don't intend to get ccw because here in CO. once you get your ccw you can't open carry this is one of thier stipulations.

You better check the facts on that. You do not lose a right or trade one right for another. Open carry is legal everywhere in Colorado with or without a permit. Denver is the only city where open carry is not currently legal and that may change pending a lawsuit that says the state law regarding firearms cannot be superceded by a city law.

Meanwhile open carry is legal everywhere else in Colorado with or without a permit.

[snewman24]

Given the choice the bad guys will avoid the guy with the gun and find someone who is unarmed to mess with. Many a problem has been shut down early on at that the appearance of a lawful gun at the scene. Check out the web site.

You're staking your life on an assumption that's not always true. You're gambling on the fact that they will take the path of least resistance and choose a target that is more vulnerable and easier, which is probably true MOST of the time, but not ALL the time. You're giving yourself a false sense of security.

[pabull]

I am gonna read up on PA law. I hope they allow open carry!! I will be attending the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown as an Engineering student. I already asked Administration if "concealed carry" was allowed. They told me: "I don't think so". I asked them: What if some nut wants to pull a "Cho" like what happened at Va. Tech? Being typical "Liberal" administration...they couldn't answer.:mad:

[jmac00]

do not come to NYS with a gun out in the open. You will be in jail as soon as someone reports you.

You may not even carry openly on your own property.

In NYS if you display your hand gun (whether it's in your holster or Not) it called "Brandishing" and is punishable with up to 1 year in jail:mad:

no firearms are allowed in NY city (unless you know someone that can get you out of jail)

[controldude]

There you go change the law and crime rate will drop overnite they just don't want that many NY cops on welfare.

[whec720]

do not come to NYS with a gun out in the open. You will be in jail as soon as someone reports you.

You may not even carry openly on your own property.

In NYS if you display your hand gun (whether it's in your holster or Not) it called "Brandishing" and is punishable with up to 1 year in jail:mad:

no firearms are allowed in NY city (unless you know someone that can get you out of jail)

That's wrong, but interesting. I wonder if that can be challenged now with the DC ruling?

[billygoat22]

There's a pro-carry group in Va. that will go patronize restaurants carrying. 20-30 at a time.

Occasionally the manager will ask them to leave. otherwise a non-issue.

[the dangling wrangler]

do not come to NYS with a gun out in the open. You will be in jail as soon as someone reports you.

You may not even carry openly on your own property.

In NYS if you display your hand gun (whether it's in your holster or Not) it called "Brandishing" and is punishable with up to 1 year in jail:mad:

no firearms are allowed in NY city (unless you know someone that can get you out of jail)

I'm not from NY but I can say this, I know someone who had a connecting flight out of Kennedy. He had his firearm correctly packaged to fly with. One of the counter persons alerted the airport police of this . Needless to say this individual spent a night in jail, spent thousands on an attorney, and is now fighting for his Second Amendment rights. NYC is one place I'll avoid at all cost. I know the rules for the state, are different from the city but, this is crazy. This might help plan a CCW trip:http://carryconcealed.net/packngo/index.php

[andserco]

Has anyone ever seen a definition of "in Public"....

[the dangling wrangler]

Has anyone ever seen a definition of "in Public"....

I have. But if I told you, then I'd have to ...........

[andserco]

I just thought that in Texas, it was everthing that is not covered under the "Castle Doctrine "....

[the dangling wrangler]

I just thought that in Texas, it was everthing that is not covered under the "Castle Doctrine "....

That is a good question. I should be able to quote the definition verbatim, but I can't. I'm headin on over to the DPS site, and see what they have to say about "public".

[TurdL]

guns don't kill people, people kill people.

people "who work the drive through and sell you the supersize" kill poeple
people "who text and drive" kill people
....

[RoBoTeq]

Both statements are ridiculous. You're no more a bad *ss, then the criminal who is also carrying. If you have something they want badly enough, your gun is not going to intimidate them. They're just going to blast you without warning.

Also, tell all the dead police officers and armored truck guards that they can't possibly be dead since they were openly carrying handguns when they were cut down by the criminals.
I disagree. I openly carried my .357 snubnose on a shadow holster when I owned a sheet metal fabrication shop located in a bad section of Baltimore City. I was the only business in the area that was not robbed over a five year period.

Criminals are opportunists who rarely take on a challenge.

[snewman24]

I disagree. I openly carried my .357 snubnose on a shadow holster when I owned a sheet metal fabrication shop located in a bad section of Baltimore City. I was the only business in the area that was not robbed over a five year period.
Criminals are opportunists who rarely take on a challenge.

Yes, but I wouldn't think that a sheet metal fabrication shop would have a large amount of cash, jewelry or drugs on site that would make it a tempting target to rob while it was occupied with people during the day (versus burglarizing at night). A much juicier target would be a bank, liquor store or paycheck advance store, etc.

[The Doctor]

Yes, but I wouldn't think that a sheet metal fabrication shop would have a large amount of cash, jewelry or drugs on site that would make it a tempting target to rob while it was occupied with people during the day (versus burglarizing at night). A much juicier target would be a bank, liquor store or paycheck advance store, etc.

Having grown up in Baltimore, and worked in some of the worst areas of the "city that reads/bleeds", I will tell you that the natives there will rob anyone, anytime, anywhere.

Your point is still well-taken, snewman24, but as of late the crooks have even been cutting down street lights in B'more. There is hardly even anything nailed down that they will not take.

It's that bad, and I wouldn't hesitate to carry there; except working where I did there were way too many federal sites and gov't sites and the like which would make carrying almost outweigh the benefits.

I said almost because I think that we ought to be vigilant and persistent in our maintenance of the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It's being eroded daily. But I digress

[Wolfer]

When I moved to Arizona a few years ago, One of the first things I seen was a couple of guys riding horses with guns holstered on their side. Arizona has light gun laws.

[glennac]

well, if I feel like I need a gun I just load the shotgun and lay it in the back seat, as long a a round is not chambered I don't have much to worry about.

Nice to know that you are such a "fast draw" with an unloaded shotgun. What me worry.:D:)

[acmanko]

Nice to know that you are such a "fast draw" with an unloaded shotgun. What me worry.:D:)even superman is not as quick as loading a pump shotgun.:eek:

[aircooled53]

http://www.texaspolicecentral.com/gun_laws.html

You can carry if you have a permit , or if you show weapon in Plain Site.

But, you better have a clean record , or you will be taken to jail if any warrants or past criminal offenses are on the NCIC computer.

[the dangling wrangler]

Not really about open carry , but I post this every chance I get. Click raffle on the left side of the page. I got my ticket last week.


http://www.hansonrodandgunclub.org/

[coordinatesales]

You're staking your life on an assumption that's not always true. You're gambling on the fact that they will take the path of least resistance and choose a target that is more vulnerable and easier, which is probably true MOST of the time, but not ALL the time. You're giving yourself a false sense of security.

Do do you play the lottery too? Personally, I'd go with the odds instead of against them. Especially when it concerns my safety.

[model m-man]

It's legal here in NC to carry openly.

Then there is this other little matter of being armed to the terror of the public. I'm not sure if this is across the board or just in town.

[Remodeltdt01]

When I moved to Arizona a few years ago, One of the first things I seen was a couple of guys riding horses with guns holstered on their side. Arizona has light gun laws.

When I lived in Arizona I saw a couple of female joggers in a less developed area. One had a holstered pistol in plain view. I thought - that's too bad they have to carry a weapon and good for her, it's the smart thing to do.

[Remodeltdt01]

guns don't kill people, people kill people.

people "who work the drive through and sell you the supersize" kill poeple
people "who text and drive" kill people
....

Add "Idiots that think they have an unloaded gun kill people."

I was raised around guns and one of the first lessons was there is no such thing as a unloaded gun.

[Remodeltdt01]

well, if I feel like I need a gun I just load the shotgun and lay it in the back seat, as long a a round is not chambered I don't have much to worry about.

Here in CA any weapon in reach of the driver will result in a trip to the station unless you have a concealed permit and good luck getting one of those.

Basically a weapon in a vehicle is expected to be unloaded, locked in a case in the trunk, with any ammo also locked in the trunk (separate container). :mad:

Oh, if you move here and have a handgun you have 60 (30?) days to register it.

[the dangling wrangler]

Oh, if you move here and have a handgun you have 60 (30?) days to register it.

And don't they have to be on a "special" list, as to what CA thinks are "good" guns?

[everythingair]

Add "Idiots that think they have an unloaded gun kill people."

I was raised around guns and one of the first lessons was there is no such thing as a unloaded gun.

Just what are the liberal's data on this? Why is it that liberals such as yourself bring up only small percentages of negatives about subjects you don't agree with just to attempt to take away from a rational discussion about that subject?

I for one am very tired of people such as yourself thinking you have the right to limit the rights of others by pushing for more laws to take away the freedoms of Americans.

Let's turn the tables here and ask how many lives have been spared because potential victims had a gun available to thwart their actually becoming victims. If you truly were raised around guns then you should understand that gun safety and usage training is much more important then just crying about taking away the rights of American citizens to have and use guns.

[Remodeltdt01]

And don't they have to be on a "special" list, as to what CA thinks are "good" guns?


What little I've read is that all handguns have to be registered if you're moving into the state. Rifles don't, but as best I can tell CA basically views all gun as bad.

[Remodeltdt01]

Just what are the liberal's data on this? Why is it that liberals such as yourself bring up only small percentages of negatives about subjects you don't agree with just to attempt to take away from a rational discussion about that subject?

I for one am very tired of people such as yourself thinking you have the right to limit the rights of others by pushing for more laws to take away the freedoms of Americans.

Let's turn the tables here and ask how many lives have been spared because potential victims had a gun available to thwart their actually becoming victims. If you truly were raised around guns then you should understand that gun safety and usage training is much more important then just crying about taking away the rights of American citizens to have and use guns.


This sure is a vacuous post. You may want to ask someone their opinion on a topic before you start the inane "liberal" paint brush.

[acmanko]

Add "Idiots that think they have an unloaded gun kill people."

I was raised around guns and one of the first lessons was there is no such thing as a unloaded gun.
you called me down about using that word, and lo and behold here it is again.;)

[Remodeltdt01]

you called me down about using that word, and lo and behold here it is again.;)

If you have a gun always remember that it is never unloaded, and I promise I will never call you a name other than acmanko.

We may not always agree, but we are all allowed to have our own opinions. Imagine how boring if everyone thought the same way.

[acmanko]

I've got about five guns, all loaded but none with a round chambered.

[Carnak]

There is a growing movement across the U.S. of folks openly carrying a firearm. This is perfectly legal in most states. After learning about it I gave it a try driving across three states with my Glock on my belt and in plain sight.

I had several conversations with people at rest stops, gas stations, restautants and my hotel. Never had a problem with law enforcement even though I ran across several officers who clearly saw me.

You can learn more by going to www.opencarry.org and read for yourself as well as learn the laws in your state. I also happen to have a concealed carry permit but I don't need one to carry openly in my state or several of the states around me.

I have carried concealed for years now but now that the weather is hot I am carrying openly. I will attend a concert tonight downtown and carry openly.maybe they can sell a combination elevator shoe/holster :)

[the dangling wrangler]

I've got about five guns, all loaded but none with a round chambered.

Let me ask you this simple question. Why not keep one in the tube? I used to keep mine like that, used to. That was until I had a negligent discharge, from that day forward, I keep 'em locked & loaded. This way, there is no doubt that in fact, I'm handling a dangerous weapon.

[acmanko]

I have had accidental discharges before and really don't care for another one. a gun not loaded is as useful as a bat.

[the dangling wrangler]

I have had accidental discharges before and really don't care for another one. a gun not loaded is as useful as a bat.

Or a paperweight.

[andserco]

[QUOTE=the dangling wrangler;1928621]. Why not keep one in the tube? I used to keep mine like that, used to.


I just about as pro-gun as you get, I really not for sure how many I own but---I would never keep a live round under the firing pin in any gun, riding in a truck or sitting in a closet or wherever, except in an active hunting situation...IMO..of course..

[the dangling wrangler]

[QUOTE=the dangling wrangler;1928621]. Why not keep one in the tube? I used to keep mine like that, used to.


I just about as pro-gun as you get, I really not for sure how many I own but---I would never keep a live round under the firing pin in any gun, riding in a truck or sitting in a closet or wherever, except in an active hunting situation...IMO..of course..

I would, and do. The 1911 was designed to be carried this way. I do own a few double actions ,that I carry the same way. I guess it's just a personal preference. I trust the factory safeties.

[jmac00]

look kids, carrying a firearm locked & loaded is the only way to carry.

if you get in a situation, 9 times out of 10 it's going to be hand to hand combat, then it goes to a fire fight, the last thing you want to be doing is trying to rack in a round, especially if you injure one of you hands..

If your worried about an AD (accidental discharge) GO PRACTICE. There is no excuse for an AD. and if your really worried AND INCOMPETENT carry a Glock or a wheel gun.........it hard to get hurt with either one:rolleyes:

sheesh :rolleyes:

[pabull]

Heres the way I see it, the 2nd Amendment is there, it is our right, AND it WILL give you a fighting chance if a Felon chooses you as his/hers next victim!! I get soooo tired of hearing about the "poor criminals" who get their cretin heads blown off by a citizen who chose to protect themselves...and the Liberal "anti-gun" nuts who cry about it.

Hey...you live by the sword, you die by the sword!! (felons/criminals choose to live by the sword, but cry when one of us "citizens" stop them). Gimme a break!!

Here are a couple cliches..yes they are old, BUT they are full of truth and deserve to be repeated!!

"If guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns"

"I'd rather be tried by 12...then carried by 6".

"They can have my guns...after they pry my cold dead fingers from them".:D

[RoBoTeq]

I've got about five guns, all loaded but none with a round chambered.
Good man. An unloaded gun is not a gun, it is just another thing to maybe throw or hit someone with. Sort of like; "what is a boomerang that doesn't come back? A stick.

I used to keep six rounds in my .357 snubnose until the day the hammer got hung up on my van seat and I was looking at the tip of the chambered round while the snagged hammer was being pulled back. Most likely it would not have discharged because it is a double action gun, but it was still a little unnerving.

I'm sure that to someone here I would fall under his definition of an idiot.

[RoBoTeq]

maybe they can sell a combination elevator shoe/holster :)
That sounds like an invention that could "shoot you in the foot":confused:

Ouch; that was was even painful for me;)

[RoBoTeq]

I have had accidental discharges before and really don't care for another one. a gun not loaded is as useful as a bat.
Whoaaa....did the magnetic poles reverse? Did I fall into some reverse universe? Acmanco and I are agreeing on something? The end must be near:D

[RoBoTeq]

Heres the way I see it, the 2nd Amendment is there, it is our right, AND it WILL give you a fighting chance if a Felon chooses you as his/hers next victim!! I get soooo tired of hearing about the "poor criminals" who get their cretin heads blown off by a citizen who chose to protect themselves...and the Liberal "anti-gun" nuts who cry about it.

Hey...you live by the sword, you die by the sword!! (felons/criminals choose to live by the sword, but cry when one of us "citizens" stop them). Gimme a break!!

Here are a couple cliches..yes they are old, BUT they are full of truth and deserve to be repeated!!

"If guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns"

"I'd rather be tried by 12...then carried by 6".

"They can have my guns...after they pry my cold dead fingers from them".:D
I kinda like; "sure you can take my gun away from me. I'll give it to you one bullet at a time."

[glennac]

I kinda like; "sure you can take my gun away from me. I'll give it to you one bullet at a time."

Hey Robo, you need to get you a federal fire arms lic to have a MG. You need one to defend yourself from all your detractors.:D:D:D I used to have one my self (no lic though) until Clinton upped the ante for having one un lic. to 10 years and a $100,000 fine. Got a semi auto ak 47 and a M16 just in case the commies take over.

[the dangling wrangler]

Do you mean AR15? An M16 is a MG.

[Carnak]

That sounds like an invention that could "shoot you in the foot":confused:

Ouch; that was was even painful for me;)

Could be worse if you had it in your pocket like Mae West suggested

[Remodeltdt01]

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[RoBoTeq]

Could be worse if you had it in your pocket like Mae West suggested
Hmm, reminds me of Full Metal Jacket;

"This is my rifle,
This is my gun.
This is for fighting,
And this is for fun."

Hey, just cleaning out my office and came across all of the pics taken down you way. Anything good ever come out of what we did or did our efforts get overshadowed by government bureaucracy?

[glennac]

Do you mean AR15? An M16 is a MG.

Well I figured most wouldn't know what a AR15 was nor would they know what a SKS is either whch is modified to take the AK mags so its not a AK either but looks just like one. The AR also looks like a M16. I did say they were semi auto however.

The MG I had was a Lewis left over from WWII. I didn't want to sell or give it to someone who might get caught with it and then I would feel guilty for the rest of my life because I would be partly responsible for him getting wiped out by the ATF. Hell I turned it over to them on the advice of a class III dealer. If you turn it in then they give you amnesty and no questions asked. They come to your house and I guess scope you out and left me with an official piece of paper absolving me from any guilt for possessing it.

[the dangling wrangler]

Well I figured most wouldn't know what a AR15 was nor would they know what a SKS is either whch is modified to take the AK mags so its not a AK either but looks just like one. The AR also looks like a M16. I did say they were semi auto however.

The MG I had was a Lewis left over from WWII. I didn't want to sell or give it to someone who might get caught with it and then I would feel guilty for the rest of my life because I would be partly responsible for him getting wiped out by the ATF. Hell I turned it over to them on the advice of a class III dealer. If you turn it in then they give you amnesty and no questions asked. They come to your house and I guess scope you out and left me with an official piece of paper absolving me from any guilt for possessing it.

I remember. We spoke about that in another thread. it still brings a tear to my eye. Yours too, I bet.

[glennac]

I remember. We spoke about that in another thread. it still brings a tear to my eye. Yours too, I bet.

Yeah, and when LBJ had his 68 gun law passed by Congress you had one year to register your MG but I was in Korea at the time and then went straight to Nam. I had no way of registering it while overseas and there was no exceptions allowed. When I finally got back I was breaking the law by default. My uncle gave it to me. It was a exact copy by the Japaneses from the British. It of course had Jap writhing on it and did fire 303 believe it or not. A real collectors item. The ATF boys said they were going to keep it in there collection. Oh well win some lose some. Sin Loy (sorry about that).

[the dangling wrangler]

Did they at least offer you a tour of their "collection"? Let me guess. NO! They didn't.

[andserco]

[QUOTE=glennac;1930341]

The ATF boys said they were going to keep it in there collection.




Yea right, in thier private collection I bet............

[the dangling wrangler]

They passed a law/rule (don't know how long ago) that in cases like this, you could "donate" that weapon to a museum, without any consequences to yourself. But a lot of good that does you now.

[2cool4us]

Going today or tommorrow to pick up this bad boy.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/monster_1103/

[jmac00]

Going today or tommorrow to pick up this bad boy.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/monster_1103/

I love my 629 classic, but? unless your going after Kodiak or Polar bear, it's pretty useless in the lower 48?

besides, if your waring that in a shoulder rig and you fall out of a boat, your going to drown :D:D:D:D:D

[TB]

So this is why libs are opposed to weapons...they love messing with people and messing with an armed person would prove them to be fools!:eek:


How they 'sposed to convince us we need them to wipe our noses for us if we keep doing a better job controlling crime, than they will?

[TB]

If I was going to carry, I would NEVER advertise the fact and take away the number one advantage concealed carry gives you - the element of surprise. If the bad guys know you have a gun, then they'll just surprise you from behind when you aren't expecting it and blow your brains out. Why give them this advantage. It kind of defeats the purpose of "packing". Just my opinion.

I tend to agree. I would much rather have the element of suprise on my side. It seems there's allways someone -- generally a friend just goofing off--that will try to lift the knife off my belt w/o me detecting them. I'd hate to have that happen w/ my .45. I had a girlfriend once accidentally trip the hammer on my .45, and sent a slug through her couch, while the gun was holstered on my hip. I like the protection a layer of clothing offers my pistol. I have been told that since I have a CCL it would be illegal in Wa. for me to carry open, but anyone can legally carry an unloaded gun (club) in the open. I've only found it useful once to display my gun openly. As I walked a suspicious vacuum cleaner salesman who showed up at my door the fourth time, back to his van of waiting "friends", I intentionally turned my back on them, allowing them full view of the gun I put in my waistband when I seen them pull up to the house. I've never seen them again.

[TB]

[QUOTE=the dangling wrangler;1928621]. Why not keep one in the tube? I used to keep mine like that, used to.


I just about as pro-gun as you get, I really not for sure how many I own but---I would never keep a live round under the firing pin in any gun, riding in a truck or sitting in a closet or wherever, except in an active hunting situation...IMO..of course..

Most hand guns now days are completely safe to carry responsibly, with a round chambered, hammer down. I love Rugers system in their open hammer guns where the hammer cannot physically touch the fireing pin. It relies on a transfer bar that only covers the pin when the trigger is pulled. With the guns made now with the floating firing pin--the pin cannot touch both the hammer and the primer at the same time-- even an impact on the hammer cant discharge it. About the only way to accidentally discharge it is if it drops to the ground, muzzle down, with enough inertia to send the pin into the primer--but then the barrel would be pointed into the ground when it went off.

These are still mechanical devices though, and as we all know, mechanical devices fail, and are not 100% reliable.

[jcater8127]

I didn't write this but I do agree with it.

A gun in the house. The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental. As John Steinbeck once said:

1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
3. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46."
6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous
regularity.
7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady
commented on his wearing his sidearm. "Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?" "No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle."
8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!! But wait, there's more!

I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. I said I did. She said "Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!" To which I said, of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets!" She then asked, "Are you that afraid of some one evil coming into your house?" My reply was, "No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded too." To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is
like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.

[jmac00]

I didn't write this but I do agree with it.

A gun in the house. The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental. As John Steinbeck once said:

1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
3. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46."
6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous
regularity.
7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady
commented on his wearing his sidearm. "Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?" "No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle."
8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!! But wait, there's more!

I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. I said I did. She said "Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!" To which I said, of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets!" She then asked, "Are you that afraid of some one evil coming into your house?" My reply was, "No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded too." To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is
like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.

NICE :D

[TB]

I have been told that since I have a CCL it would be illegal in Wa. for me to carry open, but anyone can legally carry an unloaded gun (club) in the open.

I'm happy to admit here that I'm wrong. I just talked to a cop friend of mine, at church today. Excepting of course Federal buildings, schools, and private property where the owner restricts the carry of firearms, open carry, loaded or not, is legal here.

[TB]

I will attend a concert tonight downtown and carry openly.

How'd that work out for you Norm???

[bootlen]

How'd that work out for you Norm???

Ya know...he hasn't posted since about 8:30 that night. Maybe someone should go bail him out.:eek:

[TB]

Ya know...he hasn't posted since about 8:30 that night. Maybe someone should go bail him out.:eek:

:D

[NormChris]

How'd that work out for you Norm???

There were no problems whatsoever. I have done this before without any problems. When asked about it people are surprised to learn that it is perfectly legal.

[Carnak]

imagine if everyone came riding into Sturgis with a six shooter strapped on

[jmac00]

imagine if everyone came riding into Sturgis with a six shooter strapped on

there sure would a lot fewer Harley riders around :rolleyes::D


and the Sturgis rally would be much more polite;)

[TB]

imagine if everyone came riding into Sturgis with a six shooter strapped on

Probly be a few more cars being a bit more considerate.

[Carnak]

there sure would a lot fewer Harley riders around :rolleyes::D


and the Sturgis rally would be much more polite;)I was thinking if the bikers came riding in with them strapped on in full view. Be a few people peeing their pants

[TB]

well there you go. Wouldn't need so many porta-latrines then would they? Could save a bunch of money that way. :D

[the dangling wrangler]

Feeling Lucky?

http://www.poulinantiques.com/080308Photo%20page.htm

[NormChris]

I was thinking if the bikers came riding in with them strapped on in full view. Be a few people peeing their pants

Actually, that is perfectly legal in South Dakota and you occasionally see it done. There are no riots, fainting ladies, daily gunfights or wet pants.

Many, many people carry concealed and you occasionally see the gun when someone opens his or her jacket or reaches for something in the supermarket.

There are fewer robberies, less crime in general and more people careful as to what they say. And, far fewer rapes, attacks or you name it.

[the dangling wrangler]

Not really about open carry but, have some fun with it. I forgot witch buttons to push but, keep trying and you'll get it

http://backhand.uchicago.edu/Center/ShooterEffect/

[hvacbear]

This is sad.....

















.....Sad that we have to have a permit for a right "protected" by the second amendment. If we were a heavily armed society then we would be a much more polite society. I say if your not a convicted criminal then carry how and when you want.

[Wolfer]

Not really about open carry but, have some fun with it. I forgot witch buttons to push but, keep trying and you'll get it

http://backhand.uchicago.edu/Center/ShooterEffect/

Does this mean im racist? :rolleyes:

Game Over
Your Score: 310
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:739.56ms
Black Unarmed:1201.52ms
White Armed:734.6ms
White Unarmed:873.16ms

[the dangling wrangler]

Does this mean im racist? :rolleyes:

Game Over
Your Score: 310
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:739.56ms
Black Unarmed:1201.52ms
White Armed:734.6ms
White Unarmed:873.16ms

That's not my call. What keys do you have to hit? It's been a long time since I "played" that thing.

[RoBoTeq]

Not really about open carry but, have some fun with it. I forgot witch buttons to push but, keep trying and you'll get it

http://backhand.uchicago.edu/Center/ShooterEffect/
Interesting; my response time to Blacks and Whites, armed and unarmed were about even. That's good to know about myself.

[RoBoTeq]

This is sad.....
...Sad that we have to have a permit for a right "protected" by the second amendment. If we were a heavily armed society then we would be a much more polite society. I say if your not a convicted criminal then carry how and when you want.
Just one example of way too many laws that have changed otherwise good citizens into criminals.

The slippery slope of taking away the rights of American citizens by creating laws under the guise of "protecting" us has turned into a damned unstoppable water slide in which we are all going to wind up drowning in when we hit the bottom of it.

[acmanko]

Just one example of way too many laws that have changed otherwise good citizens into criminals.

The slippery slope of taking away the rights of American citizens by creating laws under the guise of "protecting" us has turned into a damned unstoppable water slide in which we are all going to wind up drowning in when we hit the bottom of it.and it all started with the convuluted assault on cigarette smokers, who tried to tell all of you that it would not stop with smoking in public.

[Carnak]

Actually, that is perfectly legal in South Dakota and you occasionally see it done. There are no riots, fainting ladies, daily gunfights or wet pants.

Many, many people carry concealed and you occasionally see the gun when someone opens his or her jacket or reaches for something in the supermarket.

There are fewer robberies, less crime in general and more people careful as to what they say. And, far fewer rapes, attacks or you name it.

In my entire life, I have never lived anywhere where I felt unsafe because I was not carrying a handgun.

[jmac00]

In my entire life, I have never lived anywhere where I felt unsafe because I was not carrying a handgun.


move here, in 2 weeks you'll be wearing body armour:o:(

[the dangling wrangler]

and it all started with the convuluted assault on cigarette smokers, who tried to tell all of you that it would not stop with smoking in public.

Actually, it started by trying to keep firearms out of the hands of people of color. That should be politicilly correct.

[hvacbear]

Hitler was a supporter of gun control as well.
It seems to me that racism is lurking in the background of this issue.
Before anyone blows up I'm not saying they are always connected just poining out that they often are.

Robo,

I'm sure you've heard the quote "They that sacrifice essential liberty for safety deserve neither safety or liberty"

[TB]

Just one example of way too many laws that have changed otherwise good citizens into criminals.

The slippery slope of taking away the rights of American citizens by creating laws under the guise of "protecting" us has turned into a damned unstoppable water slide in which we are all going to wind up drowning in when we hit the bottom of it.

Which gets closer every time they raise the minimum wage.

[TB]

In my entire life, I have never lived anywhere where I felt unsafe because I was not carrying a handgun.

That's because of those of us who do carry.

Regardless of how you "felt", was it true? If you really knew what was going on around you, would you have "felt" the same way?

[the dangling wrangler]

This has to be the biggest revolver I've ever seen:

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/general.cgi?read=55693