I'm moving to Texas.........

[jmac00]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=5278638&page=1

Horn fatally shot the burglars, two illegal immigrants from Colombia named Diego Ortiz and Miguel de Jesus.

Poopy-happens.......I think the Texas Judicial system just sent burglars a very loud and clear message:eek::D

[troyorr]

He should have been proscecuted to the full extent of the law. What he did was premeditated murder, plain an simple. At no time was he threatened and it wasn't his property. Fry him!!!!!!!!!!!

[johncavh]

too bad its only texas that looks at it that way;)

[tunnel_rat]

"The Law" just said he had that right. Can't prosecute that..........;)



I Love Texas :D

[mark beiser]

He should have been proscecuted to the full extent of the law

He was.:p

[Wolfer]

At least you know your stuff will be safe when you go on trips.

Anyways, I grew up in Houston for 20 years. Fairly good place. Just dont mess with Harris County Sheriffs, the're a bunch of good ol boys.

[the dangling wrangler]

He should have been proscecuted to the full extent of the law. What he did was premeditated murder, plain an simple. At no time was he threatened and it wasn't his property. Fry him!!!!!!!!!!!

Deadly force statutes in Texas allow for situations like this. If his neighbor asked him to watch over his home ,it's permissible.What would you have done ? Help these crooks load their STOLEN booty in the trunk and wished them a good day? I think not. Not living here you look at this in a different light. The saddest thing is ,there's a hundred more of these low lifes to take the place of these bums. What should he have done in your opinion? According to the DA he did absolutely nothing wrong,and I agree.

[the dangling wrangler]

I Love Texas :D

Me too.

[jmac00]

He should have been proscecuted to the full extent of the law. What he did was premeditated murder, plain an simple. At no time was he threatened and it wasn't his property. Fry him!!!!!!!!!!!

If it was NY they would have, then the state would give these ILLEGAL ALIENS relatives a couple of million bucks and say "we are so sorry" :mad::mad::mad:

The more times criminals are killed by law abiding citizens, the less crime there will be be.......guaranteed

[hvacker]

We just had a guy that tried to steal a a guys car and the guy chased him for a 1/4 mile and shot him dead.
There was a big outrage not because the punishment for stealing was death but because the guy that shot him 1/4 mile away was a Jar Head.
I know a whole bunch of Vets and a whole bunch of Jar Heads but that is the only reason all of the "Citizens" wanted to give him a pass is for his service.
The stealer guy was an addict as are a whole lot of Vets I know. Not much difference here.
No one should be killed for something like stealing. Unfortunately some Vets steal for reasons many of you can only imagine.
Tolerance is probably beyond some here as they would kill you for a clock radio but this isn't for them as I feel they are beyond salvation for now.
Don't be self richeous as how you think it's your moral right to kill. It could be you. Oh ya... the stealer guy had kids that don't have a father.
And I'm not a whiney liberal... Just a relist.

[hvacker]

If it was NY they would have, then the state would give these ILLEGAL ALIENS relatives a couple of million bucks and say "we are so sorry" :mad::mad::mad:

The more times criminals are killed by law abiding citizens, the less crime there will be be.......guaranteed

In truth, most citizens don't have the training or the stomach for killing. They would probably perish in a gun fight.
There but for fortune go you and I.

As this isn't the the wild west we need to decide what constitutes death and what constitutes compassion.
You could forever and never satisfy the need.

[jmac00]

We just had a guy that tried to steal a a guys car and the guy chased him for a 1/4 mile and shot him dead.
There was a big outrage not because the punishment for stealing was death but because the guy that shot him 1/4 mile away was a Jar Head.
I know a whole bunch of Vets and a whole bunch of Jar Heads but that is the only reason all of the "Citizens" wanted to give him a pass is for his service.
The stealer guy was an addict as are a whole lot of Vets I know. Not much difference here.
No one should be killed for something like stealing. Unfortunately some Vets steal for reasons many of you can only imagine.
Tolerance is probably beyond some here as they would kill you for a clock radio but this isn't for them as I feel they are beyond salvation for now.
Don't be self richeous as how you think it's your moral right to kill. It could be you. Oh ya... the stealer guy had kids that don't have a father.
And I'm not a whiney liberal... Just a relist.

so "stealer guy" THE CRIMINAL, tries to boost a LAW ABIDING citizens car, and ( as strange as it seems) the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN decides he doesn't want to loose his car to A CRIMINAL, and shoots THE CRIMINAL dead.........boo-hooo

So father-of-the-year died during the commission of a felony........boo-hoo.

Maybe father-of-the-year should have stayed home with the kids :rolleyes:

[the dangling wrangler]

In truth, most citizens don't have the training or the stomach for killing.



As this isn't the the wild west we need to decide what constitutes death and what constitutes compassion.


Well,we know in Texas.

[jmac00]

In truth, most citizens don't have the training or the stomach for killing. They would probably perish in a gun fight.
There but for fortune go you and I.

As this isn't the the wild west we need to decide what constitutes death and what constitutes compassion.
You could forever and never satisfy the need.


I do, so far this year, I have just over 1200 rounds through my Glock, thats about 30 times the number of rounds cops shoot (thats practice and competition ) and we're only half way through the year :eek:;)

we all ready know what constitutes death and if your a criminal, there is no compassion

[RoBoTeq]

Don't steal, don't get killed. That's a very simple equation that will now be respected a lot more in Texas. I hope it becomes a nationwide epidemic.

I am piss tired of those who are supposed to be protecting us constantly telling us not to protect ourselves or our property while all the time whining that they themselves cannot protect us! All the police are trying to do is to protect their jobs.

[phxurs]

Not against shooting to protect your family/self and in some cases property
(IE... Car jacking) or there attacking someone

But he shot them in the BACK

Death did not fit the crime – stealing what? A stereo? Or something similar
I would not to use as a role model or set new standard, shooting a thief in the back is not brave, kinda wimpy if you ask me

[BigJon3475]

Not against shooting to protect your family/self and in some cases property
(IE... Car jacking) or there attacking someone

But he shot them in the BACK

Death did not fit the crime – stealing what? A stereo? Or something similar
I would not to use as a role model or set new standard, shooting a thief in the back is not brave, kinda wimpy if you ask me


And by law he was justified.....back or not. He stopped them in the commission of a crime....he stopped them before they could get away with the stolen items. The law states that he was justified.

Picture someone walking in your door right now. What would you do....do you know if they are thee to steal or kill? You don't have long to think about it.

[the dangling wrangler]

Death did not fit the crime

Well,the folks in Texas said it did,by not charging him with any criminal act. That's a documented fact, not my emotions.

[oloenneker]

To this day, I will never support the idea that a PROPERTY CRIME could warrant a DEADLY FORCE response.


Texas is a screwed up place if you think that someones life is less important than someone's physical property.

A sad day for America. A sad day indeed.

[jmac00]

To this day, I will never support the idea that a PROPERTY CRIME could warrant a DEADLY FORCE response.


Texas is a screwed up place if you think that someones life is less important than someone's physical property.

A sad day for America. A sad day indeed.


so you were there and you KNOW exactly what happened............thank god you can make that judgment:confused::rolleyes:

[bootlen]

Is property more highly valued than life? Ask the dead guys. Apparently they would rather die than live without stolen property. Mr. Horn simply obliged them.

How's 'bout we put onus where it belongs. In this case, onus was on the thieves.

[the dangling wrangler]

To this day, I will never support the idea that a PROPERTY CRIME could warrant a DEADLY FORCE response.


Texas is a screwed up place if you think that someones life is less important than someone's physical property.

A sad day for America. A sad day indeed.

You're blaming the messenger for the message.

[forged alloy]

It is fast becoming time when the underbelly of our society begin to look over their shoulders in fear, rather then law abiding people cowering behind triple deadbolts, barred windows and alarm systems.

Things are bass-ackwards right now.

[coordinatesales]

The 911 tape should be listened to the end. After the shooting he said the criminals came into HIS yard. That means HE felt threatened and he said that they came into his yard, he had no choice. Good for him and for Texas!

[coordinatesales]

Is property more highly valued than life? Ask the dead guys. Apparently they would rather die than live without stolen property. Mr. Horn simply obliged them.

How's 'bout we put onus where it belongs. In this case, onus was on the thieves.

Very well stated, I hear all the time, that property is not worth taking a life. Look at it this way, we ALL must live with the consequences of our decisions. These criminals decided to rob someone and in most places, that means the possibility of facing an armed citizen to do so. The criminal decides the property is worth his life when he/she makes the decision to take from someone else.

[fixacr]

There are a thousand and one “what ifs” we could get into in a case like this but I think he should have listened to the 911 dispatcher and stayed in his house. My gut instinct is to cheer for this guy, but after reading the story, it appears to me that he shouldn’t have gone about it the way he did. He went too far by confronting these crooks. If they had confronted him it would be completely different. He did not know that they were unarmed. It was two against one and if they had been carrying guns, he likely would not still be with us.

As far as a lawsuit by the crooks family, I personally believe that if you are not legally in this country you do NOT have ANY rights under our Constitution.

[mark beiser]

As far as a lawsuit by the crooks family, I personally believe that if you are not legally in this country you do NOT have ANY rights under our Constitution.

I agree.
Fortunately the "Castle doctrine" protects him from civil action too.

[Snapperhead]

I tellya what . I have carried a gun for 15 years , and even if we Did have the Castle doctrine here ... I wouldnt kill someone for stealing something out of my car . I might pop off a few towards his feet , but only to scare .

Come in my house however , and your heart will stop before your carcass hits the ground .

[Snapperhead]

I personally believe that if you are not legally in this country you do NOT have ANY rights under our Constitution.Pfft , sometimes I think the illegals have more rights than We do .

Its crossed my mind a few times - to get a nice dark tan , learn some spanish , and go get me some free healthcare .

[BigJon3475]

Warning shots are for movies.

If you aim and fire it better be ready to kill.....you don't know what direction someone might go and end up killing them by accident.

[the dangling wrangler]

Warning shots are for movies.

If you aim and fire it better be ready to kill.....you don't know what direction someone might go and end up killing them by accident.

Exactly

[the dangling wrangler]

I tellya what . I have carried a gun for 15 years , and even if we Did have the Castle doctrine here ... I wouldnt kill someone for stealing something out of my car . I might pop off a few towards his feet , but only to scare .



And tell us why you wouldn't shoot them please

[oloenneker]

Is property more highly valued than life? Ask the dead guys. Apparently they would rather die than live without stolen property. Mr. Horn simply obliged them.

How's 'bout we put onus where it belongs. In this case, onus was on the thieves.


Wow!!:confused::confused:

Really? Len, I thought that you where a Christian.

I guess your "stuff" is more valuable than another human beings life.


That's what I consider truly sad.

It's why we are no different from the next third world nation.


And that is really sad.

Like I said, it's a sad day for America when we feel that it is justified to take someone else's life because they are a thief. Especially when you shoot them in the back as they retreat.

If you don't understand, you are a moron.

[oloenneker]

so you were there and you KNOW exactly what happened............thank god you can make that judgment:confused::rolleyes:

I was not there, neither where you.

But I can only tell what happened from the recording the guy made and the news report.

From my stance, he shot them because he wanted to.

Is some other states, that is a capital offense. Especially the lying in wait part... If he was not in Texas, he would be in Jail. Probably conferring with his attorney on how to appeal his death penalty case.

[oloenneker]

Pfft , sometimes I think the illegals have more rights than We do .

Its crossed my mind a few times - to get a nice dark tan , learn some spanish , and go get me some free healthcare .


Why bother with all that stuff? More White and Black American Citizens take advantage of "free health care" than all the "illegal's" do ten fold.

Hell, there are more "whites" on welfare than any other demographic.


Somehow, I think you are missing a major point....

Probably not, just "blissful ignorance" is most cases...

[the dangling wrangler]

Somehow, I think you are missing a major point

And what might that point be? Someones missing a major point,and I don't think it's us.

[Snapperhead]

And tell us why you wouldn't shoot them please Wow , you ask that question as if life is nothing but a video game . This isn't sony play station . The bad guy doesn't get back up and play another round .

You shoot someone , and you whole life will change from then on . Not only emotionally , but you will find yourself in court for a while . The whole emotional thing can put your ass in a psych hospital .

Some worthless piece of garbage steals my change from the ashtray in my vehicle , and I can get my hands on him , he's gettin an ass whippin with the first thing I grab , whether it be a 2x4 , shovel , or lawn chair .

Now - Someone threatens me , or family , or friends .... hes gonna die no questions asked .

[Snapperhead]

More White and Black American Citizens take advantage of "free health care" than all the "illegal's" do ten fold.

Hell, there are more "whites" on welfare than any other demographic.


What :confused:

Where are you getting these stats ? ?

[bootlen]

What :confused:

Where are you getting these stats ? ?

I imagine it's raw numbers and not percentages.

[jmac00]

.

Is some other states, that is a capital offense. Especially the lying in wait part... If he was not in Texas, he would be in Jail. Probably conferring with his attorney on how to appeal his death penalty case.


On this we agree. If Mr Horn had shot those criminals in the state of New York Mr horn would have been arrested for murder.

The deceased relatives would have a wrongful death suite and Mr Horn would have lost everything, including his home and anything else he owned.

UNLESS!! Mr Horn could produce overwhelming evidence that his life was in danger.

what Mr Horn should have done was tell the dispatcher that he was going out to hold them for the police, then if he had to shoot, he would have a better reason to shoot

[the dangling wrangler]

Wow , you ask that question as if life is nothing but a video game . This isn't sony play station . The bad guy doesn't get back up and play another round .

You shoot someone , and you whole life will change from then on . Not only emotionally , but you will find yourself in court for a while . The whole emotional thing can put your ass in a psych hospital .

Some worthless piece of garbage steals my change from the ashtray in my vehicle , and I can get my hands on him , he's gettin an ass whippin with the first thing I grab , whether it be a 2x4 , shovel , or lawn chair .

Now - Someone threatens me , or family , or friends .... hes gonna die no questions asked .

You need to study Texas deadly force statutes.I have. Try here:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/relatedlaws.htm

[the dangling wrangler]

Why bother with all that stuff? More White and Black American Citizens take advantage of "free health care" than all the "illegal's" do ten fold.

Hell, there are more "whites" on welfare than any other demographic.


Somehow, I think you are missing a major point....

Probably not, just "blissful ignorance" is most cases...

Long on emotions, short on facts.

[coordinatesales]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68521

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/cartoons/toon080702.gif

[hvacker]

so "stealer guy" THE CRIMINAL, tries to boost a LAW ABIDING citizens car, and ( as strange as it seems) the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN decides he doesn't want to loose his car to A CRIMINAL, and shoots THE CRIMINAL dead.........boo-hooo

So father-of-the-year died during the commission of a felony........boo-hoo.

Maybe father-of-the-year should have stayed home with the kids :rolleyes:

Maybe I should have posted a link but it might not have changed your mind.

The Marine ( and I have serious respect for those I consider my brothers) surprised the thief, the guy ran. So his property was no longer in danger. But the Marine chased the guy on foot for what was said 1/4 mile and shot the guy. The Marine was in no personal danger. His property was safe. But he decided to run the guy down and shoot him.
Every one was sad at the trial and at the decision to release the Marine after time served ( two months) even the mother of the dead guy understood the judge.

Personally I don't think given the facts in this case it was about property. I think it was more like " How dare you f**k with me.
I hear a lot of people on this thread boast about how brave they are and what they would do if anyone dared to mess with them.
I believe some of them. Others I don't. I'm don't know any of you but I know as a Vet, solders don't chose to use bragging rights much. Solders are a rather humble crew when it comes to combat. Luck is king.
Some might go over in their mind this fantasy or that but it will only be in the actual situation where the truth will be found.
This is not a video game.

I think Texas in this situation about property is living in the 1800's
But if some here don't think about what can happen to change one's live then I don't know where your redemption will come from.

[pabull]

Heres the way I see it. Mr. Horn delivered what I call "delayed justice". Them illegals got what they deserved from all the other CRIMES in which THEY got away with.
I'm soooooo GD sick of you bleeding heart, butterflies, honeybees, and buttercups "kumbaya" Liberals.
Dont you ignoramuses get it?? Those jerkwads were CRIMINALS and they got caught by the WRONG guy..oh well...they WONT be missed!!

It is because of you so-called "progressives" that our system is called the "criminal JUSTICE" system!!! The GD criminals have more rights than the victims!!!:mad:

What ever happened to "victim justice"? Mr. Horn did NOTHING wrong.

OK...you all can go back to holding hands at their memorial service (vigil or whatever you call it), cry about the injustice done to the poor ILLEGAL CRIMINALS, sing Kumbaya, and then have a community sausagefest.
You all deserve it!!:mad:

[k-fridge]

Easy guys, crossing the lines with the name calling.

[the dangling wrangler]

I think Texas in this situation about property is living in the 1800's
But if some here don't think about what can happen to change one's live then I don't know where your redemption will come from.

Now this I can argue with. Some of those laws were passed only just last year. I think we as Texas citizens voted for them. So,we must be in the majority.If the people don't like the laws,then they vote against them and change them. But for now Joe hasn't broken any laws.

[pabull]

Easy guys, crossing the lines with the name calling.Sorry about that.:)

[classical]

What you people don't understand is we are in a war here. The flood of illegal's in Houston and Dallas is off the scale. The police in both towns are changing crime statistics to show crime is down. Not only are we inundated wife illegal’s that are criminals but also still have huge numbers that came in from New Orleans.

We had a police officer shot last year by an illegal that had been deported and then come back. He was brought back by his boss so he could work for his landscape business. We had a young mother that was stabbed to death outside a phone store by two illegal’s. Our police force and Sheriffs departments are under staffed and hampered by local and state governments that think we should be a sanctuary and not prosecute or offend these people.

By all means I am not saying that all illegal’s or LA. folk were criminals but a vast percentage were/are.

[k-fridge]

Sorry about that.:)
Thanks. :)

[Snapperhead]

What you people don't understand is we are in a war here. The flood of illegal's in Houston and Dallas is off the scale. The police in both towns are changing crime statistics to show crime is down. Not only are we inundated wife illegal’s that are criminals but also still have huge numbers that came in from New Orleans.

We had a police officer shot last year by an illegal that had been deported and then come back. He was brought back by his boss so he could work for his landscape business. We had a young mother that was stabbed to death outside a phone store by two illegal’s. Our police force and Sheriffs departments are under staffed and hampered by local and state governments that think we should be a sanctuary and not prosecute or offend these people.

By all means I am not saying that all illegal’s or LA. folk were criminals but a vast percentage were/are.Not only that ,but they purchase a car for 500.00 and drive it with no insurance , and probably black market plates . They run into you ... you're screwed buddy .

[troyorr]

pabull, don't be afraid and hold back; tell us how you really feel.

[classical]

Not only that ,but they purchase a car for 500.00 and drive it with no insurance , and probably black market plates . They run into you ... you're screwed buddy .

True stories about two of my customers and one about my wife.

Had a customer driving down the road in his classic Jag. Two wetbacks slam into his car at an intersection in an old Olds 98. He has to be cut out of his car almost dies and is crippled and in pain for the rest of his life. He was in his mid 40's. The two punks are unhurt and run off eventually caught and they have no insurance or license and disappear before the trial.

Next is an older woman in her early 60's, she and her sister are driving along in their Suburban. Two illegal Mexicans broadside them, the sister is killed and the other is hospitalized for months and cannot work for almost a year more. They Mexicans are caught they have no insurance, license and disappear before a trial. Her insurance only pays a small percentage of her cost and ruins her financially.

My wife is sitting in an inside lane of four lane road with her blinker on. Illegal Mexican driving a car that is not his runs in to her never hits his brakes. She calls me I show up before the cops can along with about five wreakers. The clown that hit her wants to use her cell phone. He acts like he cannot speak English.
I arrive this guy starts running his mouth, wrong attitude with me. He tries to leave I grab him and hold him. Cop finally shows up and gives him a ticket, but cannot ask him if he has insurance even though it is state law. Had this guy been white black or a legal Hispanic he would have gone to jail. Since he obviously illegal the cop says he cannot ask or take him to jail. I ask why, because we (HOUSTON) are a sanctuary city. He did tell me if I didn't calm down I was going to jail. All he could do was not let the guy drive off in his wrecked car. Guess what the guy didn't show up in court for the ticket and my insurance company could not locate him because the identification he had was for someone that did not exist.

[Snapperhead]

Whats worse .... nothing like that ever hits the papers . Nobody knows whats actually going on . Nobody knows the truth until they get into a confrontation like you have .

Everyone sees a mexican and assumes , oh he must have a Green Card .

Yea right sure they do :rolleyes:

What they have is a big ol smirk on their face as they walk away to purchase another 500.00 car to drive around .

Its an epidemic .

[pabull]

Whats worse .... nothing like that ever hits the papers . Nobody knows whats actually going on . Nobody knows the truth until they get into a confrontation like you have .

Everyone sees a mexican and assumes , oh he must have a Green Card .

Yea right sure they do :rolleyes:

What they have is a big ol smirk on their face as they walk away to purchase another 500.00 car to drive around .

Its an epidemic .You can thank a Liberal for this.:mad:

[Snapperhead]

Ok I shall do just that ..... Thankyou Air311

:cool: