Americans oppose income redistribution

[mrs reb77]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108445/Americans-Oppose-Income-Redistribution-Fix-Economy.aspx

Americans Oppose Income Redistribution to Fix Economy
Half say the government is doing too much, 43% too little to solve country's problems

by Dennis Jacobe, Chief Economist

PRINCETON, NJ -- When given a choice about how government should address the numerous economic difficulties facing today's consumer, Americans overwhelmingly -- by 84% to 13% -- prefer that the government focus on improving overall economic conditions and the jobs situation in the United States as opposed to taking steps to distribute wealth more evenly among Americans.


So, (I realize this is JUST a poll) if the overwhelming majority of Americans oppose income redistribution, why are the Democrats so supportive of it?
And, where were all the liberals who DO support it when this poll was taken? It's obvious they're all around when they're asking Obama or McCain, so where are they now? Or are Americans getting so dumbed down they don't understand the rhetoric they're continually being beaten down by from the candidates?

[bootlen]

So, (I realize this is JUST a poll) if the overwhelming majority of Americans oppose income redistribution, why are the Democrats so supportive of it?

Umm, because Democrats are not Americans?:eek:

:cool:

[RoBoTeq]

Umm, because Democrats are not Americans?:eek:

:cool:
Well, they certainly don't seem to want the United States to continue as a free, powerful and prosperous country recently, do they?

[bootlen]

You mean...I'm not the only one with that perception?

[hvacker]

I'm not so sure. When Regan implemented his voodoo economics wealth was redistributed from the middle class to the rich in huge ways. Middle class taxes were raised and the wealthy were severely reduced.
A definite redistribution.
I think if a question like that was framed a certain way many Americans might say they opposed it. Framed another way like " Do you favor the idea the rich should pay less taxes than the middle class?" I think you would get another answer. I know you would from me.

Example if you make less than 92000 ( or 93000) per year your FICA is on 100% of your income. If you make more then you only pay FICA on 92000.
On passive income taxes were reduced from 71% (if memory serves) to 15% max. This is income someone makes without working. There was more.
The process of distribution here as far as the gov is concerned is through the tax system. The question should be asked as relating to taxes and not pertaining to some idea of seizing property or something like that.

[bootlen]

Ya know...some people are freakin' clueless.

[crackertech]

Ya know...some people are freakin' clueless.

Yep and open their mouths just to prove it.:)

[mrs reb77]

removes all doubt.


So, taxing income isn't just like seizing property? If it's MY money that I EARNED and the government TAKES it...well....:confused:

I think the question of the poll was understood by the participants as well as the question is understood by the majority of logical thinking posters on this website. If you don't like the answer/result, well, sorrrry. ;) Looks like that majority of Americans don't wanna be a socialist country. Which most of us could tell just about anyone without any poll.

[crackertech]

mrs reb I hope you didnt think that was a slam at boot? I am with you guy's
100% OF the time. I was agreeing with boots.

[mrs reb77]

Naw, you were reminding our little liberal friend about the Abraham Lincoln quote:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

[whec720]

removes all doubt.


So, taxing income isn't just like seizing property? If it's MY money that I EARNED and the government TAKES it...well....:confused:

I think the question of the poll was understood by the participants as well as the question is understood by the majority of logical thinking posters on this website. If you don't like the answer/result, well, sorrrry. ;) Looks like that majority of Americans don't wanna be a socialist country. Which most of us could tell just about anyone without any poll.

Clear worded and excellent post. I hope you are right. We'll have to wait and see if Obama wins. If he does, America wants socialism. I pray to God that this country comes to its senses and rejects him and all his socialist baggage.

[crackertech]

Naw, you were reminding our little liberal friend about the Abraham Lincoln quote:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Yep that was it. The sad thing is I know far to many that think the same way he doses
I wounder what they will say when(if) the OB dream becomes a reality and really screws up this country.I know nothing.:(

[RoBoTeq]

Yep that was it. The sad thing is I know far to many that think the same way he doses
I wounder what they will say when(if) the OB dream becomes a reality and really screws up this country.I know nothing.:(
Do you mean; if we become an Obamanation?

[Chet1508]

President Bush said America is not in a recession

Warren Buffett, one of America’s greatest financial minds, said America is in a recession. You heard that, President Bush.

A man well known in domestic and international financial circles, who can pronounce the word “situation” and exit the room without walking into the door, said America is in a recession.

What is most concerning about Bush is he seems to be in denial, which is dangerous considering the state of the U.S. economy. People in denial don’t solve problems, because they don’t believe there are any (problems), and that’s how circumstances get worse.

Not only are there problems with the mortgage crisis, the dollar hit a new historic low today against the Euro and oil & gas prices continues to climb. As Bush allows the "Oil speculators keep pushing the prices up with no limits"

“The Fed’s emergency rate cuts have failed to halt the downward spiral towards a full-blown debt deflation.”

If the president doesn’t think that is a problem, he is delusional. Problems don’t fix themselves.


Warren Buffet Quote:

“I would say, by any commonsense definition, we are in a recession.”

[mrs reb77]

So....? This is relevant to income re-distribution how? That WAS what we were discussing in this thread. :o

[whec720]

It's not...just an attempt at distraction. Lefties don't want us to think how screwed we are getting. Look at your paychecks, folks. See how much they are taking out for Fed, FICA, Medicare, ect. In this industry, I guess we are all "rich".:mad:

Robin Hood Economics.:cool:

[glennac]

Funny thing the communists are for income redistribution and so are the Democrats. Quake, Quake, sounds like a duck to me. "Americans" are against it though.

[whec720]

I wish I could totally agree with you on that one, glen. Ask yourself this, "Why do the Democrats have the majority in both chambers of Congress?"
Face it, they're many in this country, who are content with you footing the bill for their "life style". They take, take and could care less who pays for it, as long as it is not them.

[jpb2]

President Bush said America is not in a recession

Warren Buffett, one of America’s greatest financial minds, said America is in a recession. You heard that, President Bush.

A man well known in domestic and international financial circles, who can pronounce the word “situation” and exit the room without walking into the door, said America is in a recession.

What is most concerning about Bush is he seems to be in denial, which is dangerous considering the state of the U.S. economy. People in denial don’t solve problems, because they don’t believe there are any (problems), and that’s how circumstances get worse.

Not only are there problems with the mortgage crisis, the dollar hit a new historic low today against the Euro and oil & gas prices continues to climb. As Bush allows the "Oil speculators keep pushing the prices up with no limits"

“The Fed’s emergency rate cuts have failed to halt the downward spiral towards a full-blown debt deflation.”

If the president doesn’t think that is a problem, he is delusional. Problems don’t fix themselves.


Warren Buffet Quote:

“I would say, by any commonsense definition, we are in a recession.”


a reccession is defined by negative gdp growth over 3 months ( a physical quarter ) That has yet to happen. Keep drinking the cool aid

[jpb2]

So....? This is relevant to income re-distribution how? That WAS what we were discussing in this thread. :o


Mrs reb its mind over matter. Little minds dont matter:eek:

[glennac]

I wish I could totally agree with you on that one, glen. Ask yourself this, "Why do the Democrats have the majority in both chambers of Congress?"
Face it, they're many in this country, who are content with you footing the bill for their "life style". They take, take and could care less who pays for it, as long as it is not them.

Your right, I'm just whistling Dixie I guess. Ever since women got the right to vote you can track the growth of big goverment. Not all of course think that way (Mrs reb, etc.) but most do and that along with the special interest groups and minorities is the Democratic base along with a few retarded straight White males of course.

[whec720]

Add lazy to the retarded.:D

[bluestone]

Americans getting so dumbed down they don't understand the rhetoric they're continually being beaten down by from the candidates?

My choice

[bluestone]

President Bush said America is not in a recession

Warren Buffett, one of America’s greatest financial minds, said America is in a recession. You heard that, President Bush.

A man well known in domestic and international financial circles, who can pronounce the word “situation” and exit the room without walking into the door, said America is in a recession.

What is most concerning about Bush is he seems to be in denial, which is dangerous considering the state of the U.S. economy. People in denial don’t solve problems, because they don’t believe there are any (problems), and that’s how circumstances get worse.

Not only are there problems with the mortgage crisis, the dollar hit a new historic low today against the Euro and oil & gas prices continues to climb. As Bush allows the "Oil speculators keep pushing the prices up with no limits"

“The Fed’s emergency rate cuts have failed to halt the downward spiral towards a full-blown debt deflation.”

If the president doesn’t think that is a problem, he is delusional. Problems don’t fix themselves.


Warren Buffet Quote:

“I would say, by any commonsense definition, we are in a recession.”

Huffington Post talking point

[RoBoTeq]

Funny thing the communists are for income redistribution and so are the Democrats. Quake, Quake, sounds like a duck to me. "Americans" are against it though.
And the concept comes from Marxist utopian thought. The problem with utopia is that not everyone wants to be equal. Most people want to have the right to strive to be better.

So, while utopian government idealism is an easy sell to pie-in-sky thinking people, it is impossible to achieve.

[whec720]

And the concept comes from Marxist utopian thought. The problem with utopia is that not everyone wants to be equal. Most people want to have the right to strive to be better.

So, while utopian government idealism is an easy sell to pie-in-sky thinking people, it is impossible to achieve.

Naw, naw...it ain't that. More like.....I demand that my needs be met and I want someone else to provide those needs for me. Why? Because it is all about ME! Damn everybody else. I'm looking out for numero uno.
These people could care less about fairness. They want a free ride....AT YOUR EXPENSE!!:eek::eek:

[RoBoTeq]

Naw, naw...it ain't that. More like.....I demand that my needs be met and I want someone else to provide those needs for me. Why? Because it is all about ME! Damn everybody else. I'm looking out for numero uno.
These people could care less about fairness. They want a free ride....AT YOUR EXPENSE!!:eek::eek:
Well, isn't that just their idea of utopia?;)

We are definitely on the same page.

[whec720]

Well, isn't that just their idea of utopia?;)

We are definitely on the same page.

Yes it is. Not only are we supposed to go along with it, but we have to like it as well. I say to them, "get bent!":p

[Jack2007]

I don't know what to think anymore. Saw an interview of a college student supporting Obama. She was asked;

Do you support the government providing everyone health care ?
Answer = Yes

Do you support the government providing food to everyone ?
Answer =Yes

Do you support the government providing shelter to everyone ?
Answer = Yes

Then you must support Socialism ?
Answer = Don't put words in my mouth.

:confused:
.

[hvacker]

Funny thing the communists are for income redistribution and so are the Democrats. Quake, Quake, sounds like a duck to me. "Americans" are against it though.


Stunning! Help me here. Why don't you think the extreme changes during Regan's term in the tax code weren't redistribution of wealth?

Just the exaggerated number of billionaires and millionaires today should give you a clue.
Taxes are collateral for our National Debt. The debt will be paid but it's all in who will pay it. No matter how the numbers are skewed as in who pays more etc it is a matter of affordability. The middle class is broke. The rich are doing fine.

[hvacker]

removes all doubt.


So, taxing income isn't just like seizing property? If it's MY money that I EARNED and the government TAKES it...well....:confused:

I think the question of the poll was understood by the participants as well as the question is understood by the majority of logical thinking posters on this website. If you don't like the answer/result, well, sorrrry. ;) Looks like that majority of Americans don't wanna be a socialist country. Which most of us could tell just about anyone without any poll.

Again you missed my point. Of course taxation is seizing property. My point is if asked in such a way that question could even seem threating.
Why don't you post the actual question
And as most people at Princeton are very sucessful or soon will be it's hardly a cross section of America. I know as I lived very close to Princeton once.
By your answer you concider taxation socialism?

[mrs reb77]

I posted the site, I have no idea exactly how they posed the question.
So, that would be "Why don't you post the actual question"

Don't jump to any conclusions about my answer. You must be a dentist, you delight in sticking things in other people's mouths.

Your original post
The process of distribution here as far as the gov is concerned is through the tax system. The question should be asked as relating to taxes and not pertaining to some idea of seizing property or something like that.

certainly didn't make it sound as if you considered taxation the seizure of property.

So, you agree:
Of course taxation is seizing property.

[mrs reb77]

And just because a byline states Princeton, do you think that's where all the answers to the question came from? :rolleyes:



Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,625 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted June 15-19, 2008. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

[air311]

Ya know...some people are freakin' clueless.

Don't bother explaining why he's clueless.

[tunnel_rat]

It's obvious to most of us.....;)

[air311]

It's obvious to most of us.....;)

I didn't read what he wrote, that's why I wrote that, got that?

[jpb2]

Stunning! Help me here. Why don't you think the extreme changes during Regan's term in the tax code weren't redistribution of wealth?

Just the exaggerated number of billionaires and millionaires today should give you a clue.
Taxes are collateral for our National Debt. The debt will be paid but it's all in who will pay it. No matter how the numbers are skewed as in who pays more etc it is a matter of affordability. The middle class is broke. The rich are doing fine.

You need a month or so at Sherrif Joe's compound . Poverty and the poor is simply bad decision making most times

[bootlen]

Don't bother explaining why he's clueless.

I don't converse with fenceposts. Err, well, I used to to not.

[Andy Schoen]

I don't know what to think anymore. Saw an interview of a college student supporting Obama. She was asked;

Do you support the government providing everyone health care ?
Answer = Yes

Do you support the government providing food to everyone ?
Answer =Yes

Do you support the government providing shelter to everyone ?
Answer = Yes

Then you must support Socialism ?
Answer = Don't put words in my mouth.


She would also agree with the statement: "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." And have no clue who stated this.

If you're not liberal by the time you're 18, you have no heart. If you're not conservative by the time you're 30, you have no brain.

[mrs reb77]

Uncle Karl, right? :D

[Andy Schoen]

One of those thirtysomethings :rolleyes: with a brain. :D

[hvacker]

She would also agree with the statement: "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." And have no clue who stated this.

If you're not liberal by the time you're 18, you have no heart. If you're not conservative by the time you're 30, you have no brain.

Andy, while I almost always agree with you in this case I have exception.
I've heard this all before and while I expect unoriginality from you this is a disappointment. Some do get tight fisted when they get older and the funds run out but it;s not always the case. Some have through experience become quite the opposite. It's a matter of the heart.

We need to dicide as a Nation if it's a ME nation or a US untion.
Strange as I look at what I typed it said a US Nation.

[air311]

I don't converse with fenceposts. Err, well, I used to to not.

To to not? Huh?

[Andy Schoen]

Andy, while I almost always agree with you in this case I have exception.
I've heard this all before and while I expect unoriginality from you this is a disappointment.

Sorry to disappoint you. Just trying to keep things simple for the masses. :p

Personally, I like the idea of 18 year olds being liberally oriented. It implies they want to do the right things, help people, donate their time for worthy causes, less fearful of change, etcetera, etcetera. They may well be better people for our society than the conservative 18 year olds.

For numerous reasons, conservatism usually comes with age and experience. A large part of it, IMHO, comes from figuring out what works and what doesn't. A young liberal may wonder why our government doesn't do a better job rehabilitating violent criminals, or control the cost of gasoline, or make housing more affordable, or increasing job opportunities. Older folks usually don't wonder about such things as much. ;)

[hvacker]

Originally Posted by hvacker
Andy, while I almost always agree with you in this case I have exception.
I've heard this all before and while I expect unoriginality from you this is a disappointment

Edit: I meant to say originality not the un.

[hvacker]

Originally Posted by bootlen
Ya know...some people are freakin' clueless.

?? Are you capable of posting any thing except idiotic one liners?

By itself your statement (s) are clueless.

[bootlen]

To to not? Huh?

Result of conversing with a fence post.

[bootlen]

Originally Posted by bootlen
Ya know...some people are freakin' clueless.

?? Are you capable of posting any thing except idiotic one liners?

By itself your statement (s) are clueless.

I wasn't speaking to you. But those to whom I was speaking know exactly what I meant and I didn't have to add anything extra.

Thanks for not standing on the line.

[hvacker]

I wasn't speaking to you. But those to whom I was speaking know exactly what I meant and I didn't have to add anything extra.

Thanks for not standing on the line.


If the idea is to communicate we have to use a mutually understandable language, agree.
Referring to a person as a fencepost does not make an argument.
If you want to call someone a name they should be identified.
If all you can do to support your position is refer to those you disagree with as fence posts or whatever doesn't do a thing for your position except cause others to assume your empty headed and can't contribute to the argument.
Now why don't you try to really tell us what's in there.
Last point, if your only desiring to communicate with who you call "those to whom I was speaking" why don't you just go to the chat room. I believe this forum was intended to be inclusive.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Andy Schoen]

Keeping this thread on the OP's subject of income redistribution...

Reconsider the following statement:

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

This philosophy is the basis for government's role in income redistribution.

The debate here is actually quite simple. Do you agree with this or partially agree with this or do not agree with this ???

[bigtime]

Sometimes its fun to beat on ones chest and rant/rave about things. But lets think about the facts. We have more stuff and oportunity than any other generation has had. I get tired of hearing people complain about a system that for the most part is good. Where would you rather live?

Where does the tax dollars you complain about being redistributed really go. They go to the military, healthcare for veterans and old people, roads, schools, uncle Joes SS check, etc. A small portion of your tax dollar goes to welfare recips. Do you really think your lifestyle would be better if the federal government was reduced dramatically? I dont think so.

[air311]

Sometimes its fun to beat on ones chest and rant/rave about things. But lets think about the facts. We have more stuff and oportunity than any other generation has had. I get tired of hearing people complain about a system that for the most part is good. Where would you rather live?

Where does the tax dollars you complain about being redistributed really go. They go to the military, healthcare for veterans and old people, roads, schools, uncle Joes SS check, etc. A small portion of your tax dollar goes to welfare recips. Do you really think your lifestyle would be better if the federal government was reduced dramatically? I dont think so.

But they're not happy unless they're *****ing about something. Whether they have a valid pont or not, which most of the time they don't.

[Andy Schoen]

Where does the tax dollars you complain about being redistributed really go. They go to the military, healthcare for veterans and old people, roads, schools
Your confusing income redistribution with the Jeffersonian function of government.


uncle Joes SS check
Not Jeffersonian, but supposedly paid by our taxes. In some people's minds, it is not income redistribution. :(


A small portion of your tax dollar goes to welfare recips.
Now you're getting closer to the subject matter. ;)


But they're not happy unless they're *****ing about something. Whether they have a valid pont or not, which most of the time they don't.
How about posting something other than a whine? Hey, maybe you can answer my simple question. :p

[bootlen]

If the idea is to communicate we have to use a mutually understandable language, agree.

English here. Looks like you speak the same. I don't see your point.

Referring to a person as a fencepost does not make an argument.

I wasn't arguing.

If you want to call someone a name they should be identified.

I don't name-call. I let each person decide for him/herself what they think they are.

If all you can do to support your position is refer to those you disagree with as fence posts or whatever doesn't do a thing for your position except cause others to assume your empty headed and can't contribute to the argument.

See 2nd and 3rd responses, this post.

Now why don't you try to really tell us what's in there.

In where?

Last point, if your only desiring to communicate with who you call "those to whom I was speaking" why don't you just go to the chat room. I believe this forum was intended to be inclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Consider yourself corrected.

[Jack2007]

Income redistribution is only part of the problem. Along with the government "taking" property or income, comes the "big brother" laws that intrude into our lives.

As laws become more numerous and intrusive, our liberties are S L O W L Y eroded. There was a time when it was unthinkable that the government could tell an employer who to hire or what to pay the employee.

Now the government tells us where we can smoke or even if we can smoke. (BTW, I never smoked). The government tells us what to eat and what not to eat. (transfat anyone?) There is even a movement to OVER TAX McDonald's, Wendy's, and Burger King's burgers and fries etc..

Socialism, it's drip, drip, drip. Incremental control of the masses. I know I sound like a conspiracy nut, but think about how and where the government intrudes into your life.

They tell us what HVAC equipment we can buy.

In a few years you MUST use CFL's and cannot use incondesent light bulbs any longer. There are far more examples too numerous to put here.

Does anyone else feel "restrained" by the government ?

Our lives and money BELONG to the government!
.

[mrs reb77]

Thank you JACK! This thread was about a poll that showed American people don't agree with income redistribution.

We all biatch about taxation. If you don't, maybe you ain't a real American! ;)
But, income redistribution (the socialist way) refers to a political policy intended to even the amount of income individuals are permitted to earn. The basic premise of the redistribution of income is that money should be distributed to benefit the poorer members of society, and that the rich should be obliged to assist the poor.

That's not my tax dollar at work. That is me, working so that some poor person doesn't have to. Rather they are able or not.

[Jack2007]

Lest someone misinterprets my feeling on the subject, it is NOT that I don't want to help the less fortunate, I do this at my CHURCH.

The government on the other hand has no business confiscating my property or money to give away to anyone.
.

[mrs reb77]

Exactly! In our neck of the woods that is considered stealing. A crime very punishable.

[Andy Schoen]

Mark Jack down as a "no" to the philosophy of: "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." :D

[skorepeo]

I don't know what to think anymore. Saw an interview of a college student supporting Obama. She was asked;

Do you support the government providing everyone health care ?
Answer = Yes

Do you support the government providing food to everyone ?
Answer =Yes

Do you support the government providing shelter to everyone ?
Answer = Yes

Then you must support Socialism ?
Answer = Don't put words in my mouth.

:confused:
.


Our government already does this!! All one has to do is claim a disability and all the above will be provided. It does not matter or so it appears to me what the disability is. I watch my neighbors load their boat for a camping and fishing trip clearly lifting coolers full of ice and food then all the other camping supplies. Off they go for a 4 day trip and do they work for it NO!! they both claim a disability and both receive $1200 each month plus free medical insurance plus a food debit card!!! He says that he has a bad back and she has a bad knee!! they can not work:mad: and we all pay for it!!!

[The Doctor]

If Americans oppose income distribution, why do half of them prepare to vote for a closet socialist (O'Bama), and the other half vote for socialism in denial (McCain)?

Those candidates both assume that no major changes need to take place to the system that IS ALREADY IN PLACE. Unless you look at why McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts--because there weren't also included spending cuts. Does that even qualify as a reason to deny the American people their own money, or does he just assume that he knows better how they ought to spend it... I mean how he ought to spend it? :eek:

It seems to me that there is a great disconnect when the choice is Senator v. Senator. Both have made a career out of taking money OUT of the private sector and spreading it throughout the public sector.

How much more socialist can you get?

[chaard]

Aren't all poloticians somewhat socialist. They all get in there and put earmarks or pork into bills to get money for the lobbyists.

The thing I like about McCain is he wants to put an end to earmarks. He wants to stop the massive bleeding by our Gov. Haven't heard Obama say anything like that.

[k-fridge]

If Americans oppose income distribution, why do half of them prepare to vote for a closet socialist (O'Bama), and the other half vote for socialism in denial (McCain)?

Excellent question, and it highlights a phenomenon that I've watched for a long time.

When you question people about individual issues, the vast majority of the US population give answers that would place them into the moderate-conservative category. Problem is, at least half of the voters in this country don't really know what the candidates or parties stand for, they vote the way they do for the wrong reasons. If the electorate in this country took the time to become knowledgeable about the candidates, Democrats would rarely get elected and even Republicans would find themselves held to a far higher standard. 3rd party candidates would probably fair much better too unless the two major parties got their act together.

[whec720]

There already is a third party. It's the Communist Party of China. Have you've seen the dollar amount of T-Bills China holds? It's in the trillions. Face it, our so called "leaders" on both sides of the aisle, have sold us out.
Times up..........

[The Doctor]

Thought that some of y'all might enjoy this article (http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=661#more-661) on socialism

and the link to yet another set of "far-right" conservatives :p;)

[whec720]

Thought that some of y'all might enjoy this article (http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=661#more-661) on socialism

and the link to yet another set of "far-right" conservatives :p;)

Socialism follows one of the basic laws of human nature, that is; "You can't kill a bad idea.";)

[Jack2007]

Thought that some of y'all might enjoy this article (http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=661#more-661) on socialism

and the link to yet another set of "far-right" conservatives :p;)
Doc, I'm not sure what you are trying to say here;

and the link to yet another set of "far-right" conservatives
Norman Podhoretz is from a family of leftists, Christopher Hitchens is a leftist. In fact both Bush's are not conservatives. I think any one who is a republican is often called a "conservative", but really are not.

I also think the problem is, very few real conservatives get elected.
.

[The Doctor]

Doc, I'm not sure what you are trying to say here;



Chronicles....The Rockford Institute. Those are the far-right gang i'm talking about. I love these guys. I was just being a bit cynical.

Around here any information from those guys is generally persona non grata. Especially the parts about not continuing the American world empire.

I couldn't care less if Hitchens and Podhoretz both dropped dead. They're both closet leftist and should be made to wear headphones.

I was referring to chroniclesmagazine(dot)org It is not real popular 'round here.
I would highly recommend it though. :D

[Andy Schoen]

IMHO, the best measure of the level of socialism in our country is the tax freedom day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day

The good news (or bad news) is our incomes are only being taxed at the 30 percent level. Much of Europe is at the 50 percent level. :(

A true Plato's Republic would be taxed at the 100 percent level and redistributed evenly by some philosopher king who was to live like a pauper. :confused: As a college student, I had to laugh at this when I read the Republic for the first time.

Yeah right. And Al Gore has a zero carbon footprint. :rolleyes:

Long live capitalism! :)

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Speaking of Al Gore........:rolleyes:
Did you hear flat screen TVs create more green house gases than SUVs? Are the libbies gonna out law TV, the very weapon they use to spread their propaganda? Don't hold you breath on that one.:p