The Democrat's solution to high gas prices

[k-fridge]

If this don't scare you, you might be a communist.



House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries

Wednesday, Jun. 18 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/images/foxnews_story.gif Urgent: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
Per Pergram-Capitol Hill
House Democrats responded to President's Bush's call for Congress to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling. This was at an on-camera press conference fed back live.
Among other things, the Democrats called for the government to own refineries so it could better control the flow of the oil supply.
They also reasserted that the reason the Appropriations Committee markup (where the vote on the amendment to lift the ban) was cancelled so they could focus on preparing the supplemental Iraq spending bill for tomorrow.
At an off-camera briefing, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) said the same. And a senior Republican House Appropriations Committee aide adds that "there were multiple reasons for the postponement" including discussion on the supplemental. But the aide said there was the thought that Democrats may wish to avoid a debate today on energy amendments.
Here are the highlights from briefing
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), member of the House Appropriations Committee and one of the most-ardent opponents of off-shore drilling
1115
We (the government) should own the refineries. Then we can control how much gets out into the market.
Hinchey on why they postponed the Appropriations markup
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I think there aren't enough votes for the Peterson amendment. It wasn't taken up (the Interior spending bill) because of the omnibus Appropriations bill. That's the main focus of the Appropriations Committee.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL)
1116
They (Republicans) have a one-trick pony approach.
Rep. Nick Rahall (D-WV), Chairman of the Resources Committee
1106
You cannot drill your way out of this.
Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), chairman of the House Select Committee on Global Warming
1111
The White House has become a ventriloquist for the oil and gas energy. The finger should be directed back at them. They had plenty of opportunity to (arrange an energy policy). But they did not put an energy policy in place.
Markey
1123
The governors of California and the governors of Florida are going to scream this is not the way to go.
Hinchey
1125
There are a lot of arrows in the President's quiver that he decided not use.
Hinchey
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What we do has to be in the interest of the American people. Not major corporations.
Emanuel
1131
It's like when I talk to my kids. Before we're going to talk about dessert, we've got to talk about what's on your plate. I hope I'm a little more successful with the oil industry than I am with my kids.
Markey7
1132
There are so many red herrings out there they might as well construct an aquarium.
From House Majoirity Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) when I asked him if the markup was cancelled because of potential Democratic defections on the Peterson amendment..
"No. The reason the markups aren't going through is because we're trying to get the supplemental on the floor tomorrow."
Andfrom a Senior Republican House Appropriations Aide..
"There were multiple reasons for the postponement including ongoing negotiations on the (supplemental) and a (Democratic) wish to avoid debate and votes on the energy amendments.

[whec720]

That's might Soviet of em'.

[k-fridge]

That's might Soviet of em'.:p

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Exactly.

And if Obamarama gets elected, they'll have little to stand in their way.

[whec720]

Exactly.

And if Obamarama gets elected, they'll have little to stand in their way.

Yep...the perfect storm is on the horizon. The deck is stacked, that is for sure.

[air311]

Yeah, those poor oil company executives, whatever will they do with all their billions. I hardly doubt this plan is going to get to far.

[Special Ed]

Just look at all the other wonderful examples we have of what happens when government controls it. Like, public education, welfare, etc., etc.....

[whec720]

Yeah, those poor oil company executives, whatever will they do with all their billions. I hardly doubt this plan is going to get to far.

Yeah...if only they had the ability to spend trillions, like our federal government.:p

Billions.....HA!!:D

[Texas-Tech]

Yeah, those poor oil company executives, whatever will they do with all their billions. I hardly doubt this plan is going to get to far.

such dribble

[chaard]

Why a gasoline tax holiday? Why put a windfall tax on oil co.'s? Why not just legislate the price of gas? The Gov. has done it in the past with Airlines, Elec. Co., Phone Co., etc. What's the difference?

[Andy Schoen]

And if Obamarama gets elected, they'll have little to stand in their way.
We have a choice between a Democrat and a Marxist. :(

[air2spare]

this thread is like all the countless others where we blow off a little steam then cower back into our corners to do nothing. The kind of threads I want to see is, "Town Hall meeting today at 5, bring your rifles and shotguns for the politician accountabilty hearing to be held during the meeting."
The only hope I see for our country is to either raise a third party to remove the demopublicans from power or civil unrest.

[RoBoTeq]

Something needs to be done about the oil situation.

Of all of the viable things that could be done, nationalizing anything is the worst thing we could ever do.

[Andy Schoen]

Something needs to be done about the oil situation.

Of all of the viable things that could be done, nationalizing anything is the worst thing we could ever do.
The idea of nationalizing our refineries to reduce our gas prices is hilarious. To think there are people in Congress who might be seriously thinking about this is scary. You have to think there are enough right thinking folks in Congress to block such an event. :eek:

[whec720]

"When we hang the capitalists, they will sell us the rope we use".


Joseph Stalin

[jmac00]

well first off, REFINING is a losing proposition. The refining companies are NOT part of the OIL companies and if you look at the stock price of the refineries, you will find they are in the toilet.

[Andy Schoen]

"When we hang the capitalists, they will sell us the rope we use".


Joseph Stalin

Fortunately or unfortunately, Stalin never got around to asking the more important question: once we've hanged all of the capitalists, what do we do next? :D

[whec720]

Fortunately or unfortunately, Stalin never got around to asking the more important question: once we've hanged all of the capitalists, what do we do next? :D

LOL....:D:D

I suppose the parasite has to find another host to survive.;)

[crackertech]

LOL....:D:D

I suppose the parasite has to find another host to survive.;)

And it did in B.O:eek::eek::eek:

[bootlen]

Too late. We are on our way out in the very short term. My feelers tell me BO is the next POTUS. His plan to reduce oil company profits is to tax them (which will mean those taxes will be paid by R&D and by stockholders, which will slow the economy either further). His foreign relations plan is to turn $billions over to the U.N. for dispersal (OMG!). His domestic policy is to make middle income citizens dependent on the gummint for food and health care.

We're in a tight spiral and less than 24 months from augering in.

America, I loved you when you were. But I'm afraid you are about to become not.

[whec720]

Too late. We are on our way out in the very short term. My feelers tell me BO is the next POTUS. His plan to reduce oil company profits is to tax them (which will mean those taxes will be paid by R&D and by stockholders, which will slow the economy either further). His foreign relations plan is to turn $billions over to the U.N. for dispersal (OMG!). His domestic policy is to make middle income citizens dependent on the gummint for food and health care.

We're in a tight spiral and less than 24 months from augering in.

America, I loved you when you were. But I'm afraid you are about to become not.


There's your "change" folks.
Enjoy.:cool:

I too, think this country is %$3@ed. We are now a part of a global slavery....ah err...."community". Food stamps.....here we come!!:eek:

[tonys]

if you can't afford to buy gas for that F150...get rid of it, cowboy.
problem solved.
move on.

(free advice)

[glennac]

if you can't afford to buy gas for that F150...get rid of it, cowboy.
problem solved.
move on.

(free advice)

I guess you make your "service calls" on a bicycle?:)

[tonys]

I guess you make your "service calls" on a bicycle?:)

if you happen to be driv'n around in a gas-guzzl'n truck (for a living) - could you look at alternatives?
...me thinks - yes.

get a modern, fuel 'efficient' truck.
hmmm - possible.

pass along any additional fuel costs to the customer.
hmmmm - very possible.

Now if YOU happen to be one of THOSE GUYS that believes any reduced tax breaks towards energy companies will directly result in higher consumer costs (sort of makes sense)...
- then why does this differ for the energy suppliers?


competition?
although they differ - competition exists for both.

ORrrrrrr, do the basics of supply and demand economics take over?

which one is it?

[glennac]

if you happen to be driv'n around in a gas-guzzl'n truck (for a living) - could you look at alternatives?
...me thinks - yes.

get a modern, fuel 'efficient' truck.
hmmm - possible.

pass along any additional fuel costs to the customer.
hmmmm - very possible.

Now if YOU happen to be one of THOSE GUYS that believes any reduced tax breaks towards energy companies will directly result in higher consumer costs (sort of makes sense)...
- then why does this differ for the energy suppliers?


competition?
although they differ - competition exists for both.

ORrrrrrr, do the basics of supply and demand economics take over?

which one is it?

Your in over your head in this topic tony. My son has a E250 and I have a F250 with large camper top and another tech also has a E250 work van. Anything less would be to small to handle a lot of the commerical work we do (large nitrogen bottles, etc.) and to light for most of the residentual jobs. Have one sevice tech who uses a small SUV but that is for service and no installs and light commerical work.

[air311]

Too late. We are on our way out in the very short term. My feelers tell me BO is the next POTUS. His plan to reduce oil company profits is to tax them (which will mean those taxes will be paid by R&D and by stockholders, which will slow the economy either further). His foreign relations plan is to turn $billions over to the U.N. for dispersal (OMG!). His domestic policy is to make middle income citizens dependent on the gummint for food and health care.

We're in a tight spiral and less than 24 months from augering in.

America, I loved you when you were. But I'm afraid you are about to become not.

Nowhere in Obama's health plan does it say middle income Americans will be dependent on the government for health insurance. We already give billions to the UN and waste billions on plenty of other crap, and what is the price of oil doing to the economy now? I don't see the oil companies being in any hurry to use their profits to help the country out.

[tunnel_rat]

Nowhere in Obama's health plan does it say middle income Americans will be dependent on the government for health insurance. We already give billions to the UN and waste billions on plenty of other crap, and what is the price of oil doing to the economy now? I don't see the oil companies being in any hurry to use their profits to help the country out.


The oil co.'s "outrageous" profits, 8-9%, are used to keep their businesses running and putting gas in your truck. Coca Cola makes about 21% profit. Why not ask THEM to "help" out the country? I know, ya can't demagogue them. Since when is it the responsibility of private businesses to "help out" anyone? I don't see the country (gov't) in any hurry to help out the country either. :rolleyes: Let them go get the dam oil and get out of their way, and quit your *****in' about profits. Take a class on economics maybe.

[air311]

The oil co.'s "outrageous" profits, 8-9%, are used to keep their businesses running and putting gas in your truck. Coca Cola makes about 21% profit. Why not ask THEM to "help" out the country? I know, ya can't demagogue them. Since when is it the responsibility of private businesses to "help out" anyone? I don't see the country (gov't) in any hurry to help out the country either. :rolleyes: Let them go get the dam oil and get out of their way, and quit your *****in' about profits. Take a class on economics maybe.

All I said was I don't see the oil companies in any hurry to help the country out. I didn't imply anyone else was either. It's not the responsibility of any company to help anyone out, but when a few companies control a product that is essential to daily life, and more and more people are having a hard time buying that product, that's what I have a problem with. Coke isn't an essential part of daily life. And letting the oil companies drill isn't going to bring down gas prices any. Maybe you should take some economics classes.

[tunnel_rat]

And letting the oil companies drill isn't going to bring down gas prices any.

How do you figure? Are you a prophet?
More supply ain't gonna hurt us either. It would be "helping" out the country.... :D

More oil=good thing.;)