Chaney at it again

[hvacker]

Lying

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hwl7MBs14OAtZbu1YJe8l-X7O8vAD919066O3

There are a number of web pages that have been tracking this sociopaths compulsion for lies.

[k-fridge]

Cheney.

[jrbenny]

It's still a problem that WE aren't drilling where we should.

Fuggin tree huggin leg humpers.

[crackertech]

It's still a problem that WE aren't drilling where we should.

Fuggin tree huggin leg humpers.

Your so right we should be drilling everywere theirs oil to be had.
Fuggen tree huggin leg humpers.LOL:D:D

[The Doctor]

The one good thing is that there is a law that we can't skirt in this matter of high energy prices.

It is this: high prices fix high prices.

Demand will be reduced, and supply will be R & Dd, meaning researched and developed. It is just a matter of to what extent the masses clamor for "the government" to do something before some optimistic innovator comes up with something, and gets it through into the market to make changes.

Here's to hoping that the innovators get through FIRST.

But high prices fix high prices. It holds true for any commodity.

[Tool-Slinger]

The one good thing is that there is a law that we can't skirt in this matter of high energy prices.

It is this: high prices fix high prices.

Demand will be reduced, and supply will be R & Dd, meaning researched and developed. It is just a matter of to what extent the masses clamor for "the government" to do something before some optimistic innovator comes up with something, and gets it through into the market to make changes.

Here's to hoping that the innovators get through FIRST.

But high prices fix high prices. It holds true for any commodity.
Free market is corrupted though, by those tree-hugging leg-humper folks.... Cannot drill off of the coast[80%] or anwar. Coal is considered evil. Nuclear is bad, according to the same dimwits. They expect wind and sun will solve everything, in spite of the fact wind and sun are main reasons we need oil, coal, gas, and even nukejuice.

Cheney is on-point, we need to be drilling. China is only exploring/drilling, not drilling/pumping,.. but they aint puttin holes in the ground for fun,... they intend to pump and any american that reads that article posted should see that.

[bootlen]

Totally agree, tool.

[royc]

Free market is corrupted though, by those tree-hugging leg-humper folks.... Cannot drill off of the coast[80%] or anwar. Coal is considered evil. Nuclear is bad, according to the same dimwits. They expect wind and sun will solve everything, in spite of the fact wind and sun are main reasons we need oil, coal, gas, and even nukejuice.

Cheney is on-point, we need to be drilling. China is only exploring/drilling, not drilling/pumping,.. but they aint puttin holes in the ground for fun,... they intend to pump and any american that reads that article posted should see that.

Not only is Nuclear bad, its the most expensive way to produce power.

Kind of like inventing a new deadly poison, without having an andidote.

How many billion does it cost to produce a nuclear reactor and the disposal/reclamation costs involved. If you took those same billions and invested in alernative technolgy, we would be way ahead of the game.

Each nuclear reactor costs between 3 to 5 billion, just to construct. If you took that amount of money and installed $20.000 worth of solar panels in new energy efficient homes with reverse metering, not only would it beat nuclear to dead, but would produce a hell of a lot more jobs, and would give our labor market a large boost.

We need to look at all energy usage locations, and use the local recources like wind, sun and water to make ourselfs not only energy independent but keep our energy costs down.

This country needs to go back to their roots, we used to be inovators, now were just followers of the same old tired "lets send our young people to die, so we can have our monopo-lies".

America has gotton lazy and stupid, the proof of this is looking at the upcomming election choices.

Roy

[crackertech]

America has gotton lazy and stupid, the proof of this is looking at the upcomming election choices.

Roy

Well said Roy:eek::eek: sad but true

[Tool-Slinger]

Not only is Nuclear bad, its the most expensive way to produce power.

Kind of like inventing a new deadly poison, without having an andidote.

How many billion does it cost to produce a nuclear reactor and the disposal/reclamation costs involved. If you took those same billions and invested in alernative technolgy, we would be way ahead of the game.

Each nuclear reactor costs between 3 to 5 billion, just to construct. If you took that amount of money and installed $20.000 worth of solar panels in new energy efficient homes with reverse metering, not only would it beat nuclear to dead, but would produce a hell of a lot more jobs, and would give our labor market a large boost.

We need to look at all energy usage locations, and use the local recources like wind, sun and water to make ourselfs not only energy independent but keep our energy costs down.

This country needs to go back to their roots, we used to be inovators, now were just followers of the same old tired "lets send our young people to die, so we can have our monopo-lies".

America has gotton lazy and stupid, the proof of this is looking at the upcomming election choices.

Roy
I am no big nuke-juice advocate. Point made, but if private companies want to invest then let them. Coal is a grand energy source and offshore drilling is natural harvesting.

[The Doctor]

Free market is corrupted though, by those tree-hugging leg-humper folks.... Cannot drill off of the coast[80%] or anwar. Coal is considered evil. Nuclear is bad, according to the same dimwits. They expect wind and sun will solve everything, in spite of the fact wind and sun are main reasons we need oil, coal, gas, and even nukejuice.

Cheney is on-point, we need to be drilling. China is only exploring/drilling, not drilling/pumping,.. but they aint puttin holes in the ground for fun,... they intend to pump and any american that reads that article posted should see that.

The reason Cheney MIGHT be on point would only be if he were advocating that free-market forces do the drilling. The free market is NOT corrupted by environmentalist wackos--the regulation side (meaning, the gov't) is the side that is corrupted by those blokes.

So-called "free market" folks come in different varieties only because we've accepted the notion that people must be forced to conform by a man with a gun.
True free-market folks can be found for example at mises(dot)org
or lewrockwell(dot)com

Just as examples AS OPPOSED to people who accept all sorts of government regulation of industry with the cry " but the railroad barons...."

Please don't lump environmentalist wackos in with the folks you might find at either of those institutions which I mentioned.
They are anything but getting in the way like the tree huggers DO.

Now there might be an adjustment that will become more long-term with regard to the demand for oil. Simply coercing the Saudis to give it up is not in the interest of a free market.
A highly-managed by the Fed market, YES. But a free market--not so much.

[hvacker]

Problem being if a bunch of oil were made available Americans wouldn't have learned a thing. They would be dusting off their SUV's and guzzling again.

And Roy, I agree with what you said about nuclear.

We had a workable energy policy in the late 70's that was designed to free us of foreign oil. Guess who trashed it??
If the policy had been kept we wouldn't be where we are now.

The best thing although painful would be for Americans to kick the habit.

It's interesting though that Saudis are kicking up production just in time for the elections.

[Remodeltdt01]

There's a finite limit to how much oil there is. Drilling more will help, but we're going to run out eventually. It hurts, but the runup in prices is the only way to get us to cut back our use.

More solar and wind power is needed. Unfortunately, they can't and won't ever supply the quantity of power our society needs. We've pretty much maxed how much hydroelectric power we can generate. That leaves us with natural gas, coal, and nuclear. Natural gas is starting to go the way of oil, with increasing costs and a limited supply. There's plenty of coal and nuclear though.

Comparing coal and nuclear the choice is clear. Nuclear is safer, cleaner, and doesn't trash the environment like coal does. The only reason nuclear reators are so expensive is because of all the assinine requirements on their construction and the inevitable delays made by the politicians and their kowtowing to the anti-nuke paranoids.

[bootlen]

Nope. Not finite. They are finding oil where there used to be none.

[everythingair]

Lying

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hwl7MBs14OAtZbu1YJe8l-X7O8vAD919066O3

There are a number of web pages that have been tracking this sociopaths compulsion for lies.

I don't understand how an alarmist, knee jerk reaction to a possible alarmist comment can possibly make anything better in the world. Under the very worst scenario, which would be that Vice President Cheney hyped the source of his comments, it is not even close to being a lie. Since there is a basis for the sources errant claim, other then being guilty of not checking his sources or deliberately quoting known errant sources for political gain, what the Vice President said was not at all a lie.

"We were under fire and had to run from the plane immediately on landing" is a better example of a downright lie. "Selma gave my parents the inspiration for my being able to be born" is another example of a downright lie. Making exaggerated claims that someone is lying when they have support for what they have commented on just makes you less believable, which is getting kind of close to lying.

[Remodeltdt01]

Nope. Not finite. They are finding oil where there used to be none.

ROTFL!

[glennac]

Lying

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hwl7MBs14OAtZbu1YJe8l-X7O8vAD919066O3

There are a number of web pages that have been tracking this sociopaths compulsion for lies.

What a joke you calling the VP a liar. If Cheney were going to commit a deliberate lie he would at least do like the Clintons and make it something which is not easy to be proven false and can not be at least proven wrong in a matter of hours. He heard it from George Will as stated in the same link you published. He made a mistake now will you admit to making a mistake on your statement that Cheney lied or will you continue to back your false claims and lie to us by stating that Cheney is a liar. Waiting for an answer there hvacker. I doubt that you have whats in you to tell the truth.

[royc]

ROTFL!

Before you laugh yourself silly, try your favorite search engine and type in ABIOTIC, maybe you'll learn something.

Roy

[Remodeltdt01]

Before you laugh yourself silly, try your favorite search engine and type in ABIOTIC, maybe you'll learn something.

Roy

There is no ABIOTIC debate. That's just another internet conspiracy theory promoted by self deluded "experts".

The facts (supported by every reputable scientific organization) is that oil is fossil in its origin. Regardless, the facts are is that all resources are finite. Every knowledgable scientist knows we will use up all recoverable oil. The only argument is when.

Falling for internet BS is not learning.

[hvacker]

What a joke you calling the VP a liar. If Cheney were going to commit a deliberate lie he would at least do like the Clintons and make it something which is not easy to be proven false and can not be at least proven wrong in a matter of hours. He heard it from George Will as stated in the same link you published. He made a mistake now will you admit to making a mistake on your statement that Cheney lied or will you continue to back your false claims and lie to us by stating that Cheney is a liar. Waiting for an answer there hvacker. I doubt that you have whats in you to tell the truth.

As far a truth goes your interpretation of reality borders on the absurd.
No Glen, once again you chose to defend the non defensible.
Tell ya what... Google "Cheney lies" and then after that if you still chose to defend this carpetbagger then I'll be truly amazed.
Everyone gives him a free ride as I suspect they don't know exactly who he illegally spied on.

[glennac]

As far a truth goes your interpretation of reality borders on the absurd.
No Glen, once again you chose to defend the non defensible.
Tell ya what... Google "Cheney lies" and then after that if you still chose to defend this carpetbagger then I'll be truly amazed.
Everyone gives him a free ride as I suspect they don't know exactly who he illegally spied on.

Sorry but I will not go dumpster diving on the Internet. I try to stay clean both physically and mentally if you know what I mean. Sin Loy (sorry about that). :)

[RoBoTeq]

If you google "hvacker lies" all of hvacker's posts come up. What does that tell us?

[air311]

What a joke you calling the VP a liar. If Cheney were going to commit a deliberate lie he would at least do like the Clintons and make it something which is not easy to be proven false and can not be at least proven wrong in a matter of hours. He heard it from George Will as stated in the same link you published. He made a mistake now will you admit to making a mistake on your statement that Cheney lied or will you continue to back your false claims and lie to us by stating that Cheney is a liar. Waiting for an answer there hvacker. I doubt that you have whats in you to tell the truth.

Cheny lies all the time you fool. What hole have you been living in? Maybe you should crawl back into it.

[RoBoTeq]

Cheny lies all the time you fool. What hole have you been living in? Maybe you should crawl back into it.
Oh gee, here's another one that doesn't comprehend what a lie is. You would think that these Clinton lovers would get it by now.

[k-fridge]

Oh gee, here's another one that doesn't comprehend what a lie is. You would think that these Clinton lovers would get it by now.

It depends what the meaning of is....is. :p

[RoBoTeq]

It depends what the meaning of is....is. :p
Ain't that the truth. How can we expect those who don't understand the meaning of "is" to understand the meaning of "lie"?

[k-fridge]

Ain't that the truth. How can we expect those who don't understand the meaning of "is" to understand the meaning of "lie"?

Problem is...those same people vote (Democratic).

[RoBoTeq]

Problem is...those same people vote (Democratic).
Even worse, usually intelligent people rationalize voting Democratic when it makes absolutely no sense to do so.

Over the weekend I was with my wife's family for Father's Day. My wife is a Jew and so I usually have some interestingly opposing differences of opinions with most of her liberal minded relatives. I asked her one uncle how a Jew could possibly justify voting for a man who has had ties with Islam within his family and who is known to support the views of Louis Farrakhan, a Muslim who outwardly condemns Jews? His answer; all of those allegations are Republican rhetoric made up by right wing nut cases.

In other words; he is just burying his head in the sand to justify voting for a man who no Jew should ever consider voting for.

[glennac]

Cheny lies all the time you fool. What hole have you been living in? Maybe you should crawl back into it.

Well here we have air resorting to name calling, when he can't argue his position he starts breaking the rules by calling names and personal attacks. I guess this is the best you can do from the hole you have crawled out of air. I will not carry on the slander game with you it is beneath me just like dumpster diving but you go ahead with your hate posts.

[desto1]

only a fool would believe that there is actually a difference between democrats and republicans.its all divide and conquer,if the founding fathers were alive today there would be a real war on the true terroists in washington

[pabull]

Comparing coal and nuclear the choice is clear. Nuclear is safer, cleaner, and doesn't trash the environment like coal does. The only reason nuclear reators are so expensive is because of all the assinine requirements on their construction and the inevitable delays made by the politicians and their kowtowing to the anti-nuke paranoids.More tree-hugging rhetoric!! My son works in COAL-FIRED power plants for a living. The smokestacks at these plants ALL use very complex scrubbing systems to clean the particulates and pollutants from the smoke being produced. What you see comming out of these stacks has been scrubbed to the point that 95-99% of ALL polutants are removed. BUT the LIBERAL TREE-HUMPERS would have you believe that those stacks are spewing noxious smoke!! This is a farce!! The enviornMENTALists are doing EVERYTHING including LYING to promote their agendas!!

[Remodeltdt01]

More tree-hugging rhetoric!! My son works in COAL-FIRED power plants for a living. The smokestacks at these plants ALL use very complex scrubbing systems to clean the particulates and pollutants from the smoke being produced. What you see comming out of these stacks has been scrubbed to the point that 95-99% of ALL polutants are removed. BUT the LIBERAL TREE-HUMPERS would have you believe that those stacks are spewing noxious smoke!! This is a farce!! The enviornMENTALists are doing EVERYTHING including LYING to promote their agendas!!

Yeah, only 1-5% of the millions of tons of chemicals they generate gets sprayed all over our homes and countryside. :rolleyes: Ask your son how many train cars of ash are hauled out every day. Where does that go? That stuff is full of toxins of all types, its even radiaoactive (as is everything else). What about all the CO2 that they generate (coal plants are very good at that)?

Actually the liberal tree huggers hate nuclear power with a fanaticism. They like coal because it isn't nuclear.

[pabull]

Yeah, only 1-5% of the millions of tons of chemicals they generate gets sprayed all over our homes and countryside. :rolleyes: Ask your son how many train cars of ash are hauled out every day. Where does that go? That stuff is full of toxins of all types, its even radiaoactive (as is everything else). What about all the CO2 that they generate (coal plants are very good at that)?

Actually the liberal tree huggers hate nuclear power with a fanaticism. They like coal because it isn't nuclear.Do you drive a car by any chance?? If so, then your arguement about the 1-5% has NO merit. Our cars produce the majority of pollutants...always did. We dont give up our rides. I for one am not giving my car up...regardless of what the enviornMENTALists say.

[air311]

Oh gee, here's another one that doesn't comprehend what a lie is. You would think that these Clinton lovers would get it by now.

When did I ever make any statement implying I was a Clinton lover? Cheney knew there was no real evidence Iraq had weapons of mass destruction..yet he and the rest of the Bush cronies were on TV making all these claims that it did. Those were lies...statements based on "evidence" they knew was wrong. At least I would consider that a lie. They deliberately misled the public into thinking we had to invade Iraq. Lies.

[air311]

Well here we have air resorting to name calling, when he can't argue his position he starts breaking the rules by calling names and personal attacks. I guess this is the best you can do from the hole you have crawled out of air. I will not carry on the slander game with you it is beneath me just like dumpster diving but you go ahead with your hate posts.

You insult anyone that doesn't share your idiotic paranoid beliefs. I argued my position that Cheney lied. He's a politicion, if he's opening his mouth, there's a good chance a lie is going to come out of it. And screw your rules that you have to bring up anytime someone..OH MY..CALLS YOU A BAD NAME! I think you're a fool..there I said it again..go crying to the ARP police now.

[glennac]

You insult anyone that doesn't share your idiotic paranoid beliefs. I argued my position that Cheney lied. He's a politicion, if he's opening his mouth, there's a good chance a lie is going to come out of it. And screw your rules that you have to bring up anytime someone..OH MY..CALLS YOU A BAD NAME! I think you're a fool..there I said it again..go crying to the ARP police now.

Well I guess since you continue to call names and spit out garbage you do need to be corrected. I haven't called them but if they choose not to correct you then I will feel free to break the rules like you do all the time and tell you what I think of you. I will bite my tongue for now. By the way I have not called them on you but I do hope that they will take notice of your repeated violations of the rules and give you a well deserved ban.

[mrs reb77]

Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.

I'm surprised at both of you, I believe this conversation has been held several times before! :mad:

[glennac]

Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.

I'm surprised at both of you, I believe this conversation has been held several times before! :mad:

With all due respect Mrs Reb, did I call any names or break any rules and what about air calling me a fool and claiming I crawled out of a hole? I have not made any personal attacks on him but he has on me. I guess allowances are made for some but not for others. I would like a little explanation for your comment please.

[air311]

Well I guess since you continue to call names and spit out garbage you do need to be corrected. I haven't called them but if they choose not to correct you then I will feel free to break the rules like you do all the time and tell you what I think of you. I will bite my tongue for now. By the way I have not called them on you but I do hope that they will take notice of your repeated violations of the rules and give you a well deserved ban.

Feel free to tell me what you think of me, I need a good laugh. Or sit and hide behind the rules. I'm guessing you'll go with the latter.

[mrs reb77]

Air, there is no need for name calling. Glenn, ignore him. There is the explanation for my comment.

This is not necessary--no other comments need to be made by myself or either of you.

[air311]

Air, there is no need for name calling. Glenn, ignore him. There is the explanation for my comment.

This is not necessary--no other comments need to be made by myself or either of you.

Talk about taking the fun out of a good conversation. Thanks Mrs Reb. :(

[Admin]

Better the ARPC then me getting involved :eek:

Now, let's get this thread back on topic..

[air311]

Better the ARPC then me getting involved :eek:

Now, let's get this thread back on topic..

OK..Cheneys a liar. They all are.

[Remodeltdt01]

Do you drive a car by any chance?? If so, then your arguement about the 1-5% has NO merit. Our cars produce the majority of pollutants...always did. We dont give up our rides. I for one am not giving my car up...regardless of what the enviornMENTALists say.


The :rolleyes: after my statement about the 1-5% indicate sarcasm.

Cars do generate a lot of pollution, as does burning coal. It's not a question of what energy fuel is safe. None of them are 100% safe. It turns out that nuclear is the safest.

We don't have to give up our cars. We just have to pay more for the energy to drive them.

[sysint]

I'm just getting IBTL on this.... you guys all stink....

[Remodeltdt01]

I'm just getting IBTL on this.... you guys all stink....


Hey, I showered this AM! :D

[hvacker]

If you google "hvacker lies" all of hvacker's posts come up. What does that tell us?


Robo talks trash when he can't suffer an argument.

Bad Robo

[hvacker]

Sorry but I will not go dumpster diving on the Internet. I try to stay clean both physically and mentally if you know what I mean. Sin Loy (sorry about that). :)

Do you really mean hanging out on ARP with the Gang of Four isn't dumpster diving?

Sometimes a person has to get a little mud on them when looking for the truth. It washes off. Barro muy bueno ( Mud much good)

[k-fridge]

Do you really mean hanging out on ARP with the Gang of Four isn't dumpster diving?



We love you too.


Five...BTW.

[hvacker]

We love you too.


Five...BTW.

Who became #5?
Are you admitting to being a member?
Is it like the Pro membership? Does one have to post certain types of threads?
Can Liberals start a gang? Libertarians? Nazis? Commies?

How about ARP Right and ARP Left?
Just wondering.

[k-fridge]

Who became #5?
Are you admitting to being a member?
Is it like the Pro membership? Does one have to post certain types of threads?
Can Liberals start a gang? Libertarians? Nazis? Commies?

How about ARP Right and ARP Left?
Just wondering.
If the 'gang of four' is the ARPC...yes I'm a member (see under my s/n). And there's 5 of us; left, right, and center politically.

Or is the 'gang of four' something else?

[phxurs]

He is what a picture as a perfect republican
(Creepy old fart – with a very sic “dark side”)

He can't be bad! After all he worked for government (with breaks with greedy / oil/services company's – living off the government/you) all his life.

But go ahead and blame everyone but YOUR OWN.

Illegals , dark color people , gays , working people in general , poor people , senors , students , liberals , progressives , democrats , Independents , and many many more - “unless there just like YOU” of course”.

Us against them is old – unless your Cheyenne / Rover or bushiness hold-overs – just look at last election, that was nothing compared to what is going to happen, can anyone say LANDSLIDE

Back to subject / Cheyenne is a Lier/thief/ and sick scum – but otherwise a human (besides pace maker keeping him ticking) I think.

[hvacker]

If the 'gang of four' is the ARPC...yes I'm a member (see under my s/n). And there's 5 of us; left, right, and center politically.

Or is the 'gang of four' something else?

Gang of Four is not ARPC.
It's the group that attacks with weapons like argumental fallacies, cheap shots, name calling to attempt to support what often in not supportable due to flaws in their thinking and an unwillingness to tolerate others ideas or conclusions. A general contempt for others of different political persuasions..
And to perpetuate right wing falsehoods like "Liberal Media" "Dems are commies" and more.

[glennac]

Gang of Four is not ARPC.
It's the group that attacks with weapons like argumental fallacies, cheap shots, name calling to attempt to support what often in not supportable due to flaws in their thinking and an unwillingness to tolerate others ideas or conclusions. A general contempt for others of different political persuasions..
And to perpetuate right wing falsehoods like "Liberal Media" "Dems are commies" and more.

Funny you were describing most of the liberals on this thread. They are the only ones calling other members names and launching personal attacks. I am not aware of any conservatives or "right wing" members engaging in this activity. Of course we do call a spade a spade so to speak when describing the leftest media but do not engage in attacks on other members. Please correct your posts accordingly. Thanks Glenn :)

[RoBoTeq]

When did I ever make any statement implying I was a Clinton lover? Cheney knew there was no real evidence Iraq had weapons of mass destruction..yet he and the rest of the Bush cronies were on TV making all these claims that it did. Those were lies...statements based on "evidence" they knew was wrong. At least I would consider that a lie. They deliberately misled the public into thinking we had to invade Iraq. Lies.
Show us where it is a fact that Vice President Cheney or any of the other hundreds of politicians, conservative and liberal, who believed Saddam Hussein's claim to having weapons of mass destruction "knew" that he did not. You sir are not only deliberately making a false statement (LYING), but are also performing the usual ultra liberal manipulation dance.

[RoBoTeq]

Feel free to tell me what you think of me, I need a good laugh. Or sit and hide behind the rules. I'm guessing you'll go with the latter.
I don't think much of you at all. Literally all of your posts read like an adolescent quoting liberal bumper stickers. You don't seem to have an original thought in your head.

[RoBoTeq]

Robo talks trash when he can't suffer an argument.

Bad Robo
Well gee hvacker, I may not think much of your opinions but really; I didn't call you trash:p

[RoBoTeq]

We love you too.


Five...BTW.
I don't:cool:

[RoBoTeq]

He is what a picture as a perfect republican
(Creepy old fart – with a very sic “dark side”)

He can't be bad! After all he worked for government (with breaks with greedy / oil/services company's – living off the government/you) all his life.

But go ahead and blame everyone but YOUR OWN.

Illegals , dark color people , gays , working people in general , poor people , senors , students , liberals , progressives , democrats , Independents , and many many more - “unless there just like YOU” of course”.

Us against them is old – unless your Cheyenne / Rover or bushiness hold-overs – just look at last election, that was nothing compared to what is going to happen, can anyone say LANDSLIDE

Back to subject / Cheyenne is a Lier/thief/ and sick scum – but otherwise a human (besides pace maker keeping him ticking) I think.
Are you drunk or mentally challenged?

[k-fridge]

Gang of Four is not ARPC.
It's the group that attacks with weapons like argumental fallacies, cheap shots, name calling to attempt to support what often in not supportable due to flaws in their thinking and an unwillingness to tolerate others ideas or conclusions. A general contempt for others of different political persuasions..
And to perpetuate right wing falsehoods like "Liberal Media" "Dems are commies" and more.
They must be people who have been banned because some of that stuff is against the rules now.

All viewpoints are welcome in ARP.....as long as they are within the boundaries of the rules.

[Tool-Slinger]

Gang of Four is not ARPC.
It's the group that attacks with weapons like argumental fallacies, cheap shots, name calling to attempt to support what often in not supportable due to flaws in their thinking and an unwillingness to tolerate others ideas or conclusions. A general contempt for others of different political persuasions..
And to perpetuate right wing falsehoods like "Liberal Media" "Dems are commies" and more.
''''''''Gang of Four is not ARPC''''''''''''

but no specific names.

'''''''argumental fallacies'''''''

No specifics.

''''''' cheap shots''''''

No specifics.

''''''name calling''''''

No specifics.

Lots of accusations there, but no substance. Hells-bells, we all hurl insults back and forth. But you are making accusations that sound like a SKULL-AND-BONES CLUB with masonic templar ties with no specific facts to back it up. Conspiracy theory. You seem to be making wild accusations with no substantial data to back it up.

I also make wild accusations, but this is not one of them. :D

[Remodeltdt01]

"If I refuse to open my mind I can be very happy living in my own world."

[Tool-Slinger]

"If I refuse to open my mind I can be very happy living in my own world."
Exactly. ''Gang of four'' = fictional entities in an alternate reality.

[air311]

Funny you were describing most of the liberals on this thread. They are the only ones calling other members names and launching personal attacks. I am not aware of any conservatives or "right wing" members engaging in this activity. Of course we do call a spade a spade so to speak when describing the leftest media but do not engage in attacks on other members. Please correct your posts accordingly. Thanks Glenn :)

You're always calling people that disagree with your paranoid views communists or socialists or something, whether it's true or not. That is worthy of being called "personal attacks" in my book.

[air311]

Show us where it is a fact that Vice President Cheney or any of the other hundreds of politicians, conservative and liberal, who believed Saddam Hussein's claim to having weapons of mass destruction "knew" that he did not. You sir are not only deliberately making a false statement (LYING), but are also performing the usual ultra liberal manipulation dance.

Cheney and Bush KNEW that the informtion they were getting about Saddam was WRONG..yet they went ahead and twisted it to fit their agenda..thus they LIED. Leave it to you to be one of the few that doesn't realize that by now.

[Remodeltdt01]

Cheney and Bush KNEW that the informtion they were getting about Saddam was WRONG..yet they went ahead and twisted it to fit their agenda..thus they LIED. Leave it to you to be one of the few that doesn't realize that by now.

When Bush was campaigning to be president he stated that Saddam was the devil and he would do what it takes to overthrow him if/when he was elected. I didn't vote for him because it was clear he would get us into a war if he had the opportunity. The majority of Americans didn't agree with me and voted him into office.

911 was his "pass" to start the Iraq war and his Saddam agenda started immediately.

All of the propaganda buildup to justify the invasion was blatant. Each "fact" the administration came up was replaced by a new "fact" once the prior one was proven wrong. Towards the end it was "Well, he could make WMDs so we must invade." Heck, my neighbor could take a baseball bat to the neighborhood kids. Should we throw him in jail because he could, even if there's no evidence whatsoever he would?

It was clear we were being lied to, anyone who opened their eyes could see it (and it goes on today). The stupid thing is we accept those lies as if they were true.

We, as a nation, got what we voted for.

[k-fridge]

When Bush was campaigning to be president he stated that Saddam was the devil and he would do what it takes to overthrow him if/when he was elected. I didn't vote for him because it was clear he would get us into a war if he had the opportunity. The majority of Americans didn't agree with me and voted him into office.

911 was his "pass" to start the Iraq war and his Saddam agenda started immediately.

All of the propaganda buildup to justify the invasion was blatant. Each "fact" the administration came up was replaced by a new "fact" once the prior one was proven wrong. Towards the end it was "Well, he could make WMDs so we must invade." Heck, my neighbor could take a baseball bat to the neighborhood kids. Should we throw him in jail because he could, even if there's no evidence whatsoever he would?

It was clear we were being lied to, anyone who opened their eyes could see it (and it goes on today). The stupid thing is we accept those lies as if they were true.

We, as a nation, got what we voted for.

You do realize...don't you....that most of congress, including the Democrats, supported taking out Saddam?

I'm not saying Bush was right or wrong, but it wasn't just him by a long shot that got us into war.

[tonys]

who was 'the salesman',

and, who 'got sold'?

[Remodeltdt01]

You do realize...don't you....that most of congress, including the Democrats, supported taking out Saddam?

I'm not saying Bush was right or wrong, but it wasn't just him by a long shot that got us into war.

Congress didn't do their job, they went along with the hysteria of the time.

Bush, Cheney, et al got us into the war in Iraq. Everyone else went along for the ride.

[k-fridge]

who was 'the salesman',

and, who 'got sold'?
Hard to say. I can Google up a long list of congressmen who supported taking out Saddam well before Dubya was president.

In fact...I seem to recall a letter that the congressional Dems sent to Clinton encouraging him to take action.

But that was when they were for it...before they were against it. :D

[k-fridge]

Congress didn't do their job, they went along with the hysteria of the time.

Bush, Cheney, et al got us into the war in Iraq. Everyone else went along for the ride.
Much of congress was for it before Bush and Cheney were even elected. Seriously, do some research and you'll see that I'm right about this.

[tonys]

For the record - only ONE President acted on the advice from others (various sources noted) to actually 'take out' Saddam.

And, taking him out didn't have to result in nearly 4,000 U.S. dead and billions of tax dollars spent (and counting).

This was a result of a Prez with some daddy-issues.


...a smart man once said: "if you break it, you own it."

[Remodeltdt01]

Much of congress was for it before Bush and Cheney were even elected. Seriously, do some research and you'll see that I'm right about this.

That doesn't really have much to do with the topic. Bush and staff were the ones that actually made the moves to start the war.

[Remodeltdt01]

For the record - only ONE President acted on the advice from others (various sources noted) to actually 'take out' Saddam.

And, taking him out didn't have to result in nearly 4,000 U.S. dead and billions of tax dollars spent (and counting).

This was a result of a Prez with some daddy-issues.


...a smart man once said: "if you break it, you own it."

I always though that maybe this could all be traced to some frat party George Jr. was at and some idiot started razzing him about how his daddy didn't fininsh the job when he was so close.

[k-fridge]

For the record - only ONE President acted on the advice from others (various sources noted) to actually 'take out' Saddam.

And, taking him out didn't have to result in nearly 4,000 U.S. dead and billions of tax dollars spent (and counting).

This was a result of a Prez with some daddy-issues.


...a smart man once said: "if you break it, you own it."
I doubt if it had anything to do with daddy, daddy had the chance to go into Baghdad chose not to. Our government...on both sides of the isle... was for this. Bush happened to be sitting in the big chair when opportunity knocked.

Right or wrong...this whole thing was about far more than Saddam or Iraq. It's about having a strong presence in the middle east. I suspect the reasons for that will become clear in the next few years.

[tonys]

strong presence?

comedy.


this is why "Prez. Obama" is becoming a reality;
to save us from this 'presence'.

[k-fridge]

strong presence?

comedy.


this is why "Prez. Obama" is becoming a reality;
to save us from this 'presence'.
I just wonder who will save us from him.

Hopefully we won't need to find out.

[tonys]

he'll certainly have his work cut-out for him.

ya'know, with trillions added to the nation debt in recent years, et al.

apparently - a 'presence' in the middle east doesn't come without a cost.

[k-fridge]

apparently - a 'presence' in the middle east doesn't come without a cost.

There are always "up front" expenses in investments.

[tonys]

why didn't ALL U.S. allies pay this up-front cost?

[k-fridge]

why didn't ALL U.S. allies pay this up-front cost?

Who cares what they do?

[tonys]

are you MoFo lost?

[k-fridge]

are you MoFo lost?
No...but if you think so I'll take that as a compliment. :D

[tonys]

"We have for months now heard plenty of false arithmetic and lame excuses for why we must pursue a preemptive war of aggression against an impoverished third world nation 6000 miles from our shores that doesn’t even possess a navy or air force, on the pretense that it must be done for national security reasons.

For some reason such an attack makes me feel much less secure, while our country is made more vulnerable.

Congress must consider the fact that those with military experience advocate a "go slow" policy, while those without military experience are the ones demanding this war.

We cannot ignore the fact that all of Iraq’s neighbors oppose this attack, and our European allies object as well.

If the military and diplomatic reasons for a policy of restraint make no sense to those who want a war, I advise they consider the $100 billion cost that will surely compound our serious budget and economic problems we face here at home. We need no more false arithmetic on our budget or false reasons for pursuing this new adventure into preemptive war and worldwide nation-building."



Congressman Ron Paul
U.S. House of Representatives
September 4, 2002

[tonys]

yeah, LOST.

[mrs reb77]

I always though that maybe this could all be traced to some frat party George Jr. was at and some idiot started razzing him about how his daddy didn't fininsh the job when he was so close.

Just when would this have been? I'm pretty sure George W. was well out of school long before the first Gulf conflict.

I remember the previous two elections fairly well as well and I really don't recall George W. using 'taking out Saddam H.' as a campaign speech, slogan, motto or otherwise. Perhaps if you had some proof of that?

Or, you could just make up some more things to support your view. Which is what you accuse George W. and his administration of doing in regard to Iraq.

[tonys]

hopeless, and LOST.

[k-fridge]

It's easier for some to blame whoever is convenient instead of opening their mind to see what really happened.

[Remodeltdt01]

why didn't ALL U.S. allies pay this up-front cost?

I guess the "coalition of the willing" wasn't so willing.

[Remodeltdt01]

Just when would this have been? I'm pretty sure George W. was well out of school long before the first Gulf conflict.

I remember the previous two elections fairly well as well and I really don't recall George W. using 'taking out Saddam H.' as a campaign speech, slogan, motto or otherwise. Perhaps if you had some proof of that?

Or, you could just make up some more things to support your view. Which is what you accuse George W. and his administration of doing in regard to Iraq.

It was obvious to anyone that listened to his speeches. Unfortunately the American public would rather base their decisons on 30 second sound bites that are served up by campaign "specialists".

[mrs reb77]

It was obvious? Like, with exactly what words and your source pray tell?

Yeah, I thought so.

Bring it on. If you have it. We're all waiting.

Oh, you 'read it into his speeches'? Yeah. We've heard of that. So very obvious.

[Remodeltdt01]

It was obvious? Like, with exactly what words and your source pray tell?

Yeah, I thought so.

Bring it on. If you have it. We're all waiting.

Oh, you 'read it into his speeches'? Yeah. We've heard of that. So very obvious.


It wasn't obvious to those who chose not to listen, IE anti Dems.

[mrs reb77]

Ah, I see. No proof huh?

[Remodeltdt01]

Ah, I see. No proof huh?

When your eyes are closed, you cannot see.

[mrs reb77]

Confucius is that you?

Dude, just asking if you have some quotes/sources for saying that George W. stated he would go after Saddam as you stated. I do not recall that during the elections (either of them).

[air311]

Congress didn't do their job, they went along with the hysteria of the time.

Bush, Cheney, et al got us into the war in Iraq. Everyone else went along for the ride.

Actually, a lot of Democrats have made some big money from the Iraq war. i read somewhere just the other day that John Kerry has benefited the most financially from the war.

[air311]

I don't think much of you at all. Literally all of your posts read like an adolescent quoting liberal bumper stickers. You don't seem to have an original thought in your head.

And you do? All I see you do is trump the far right line. You stick up for Rush Limbaugh, try to defend the lies the Bush administration spread before the Iraq war by saying they weren't really lies, and try to say that smoking hasn't been proved to cause cancer. What liberal bumper stickers am I quoting? I said I don't really approve of the gay lifestyle, I think it's 100% against nature, I just don't get all bent out of shape about, because well, I worry about things that are actually harmful to me and America. And I think the Iraq war was amistake...which the majority of Americans now also believe. So who is the one that doesn't have an original thought in his head?

[Remodeltdt01]

Confucius is that you?

Dude, just asking if you have some quotes/sources for saying that George W. stated he would go after Saddam as you stated. I do not recall that during the elections (either of them).

I can't find transcripts of his speeches.
http://russbaker.com/Guerrilla%20News%20Network%20-%20Bush.htm

[Remodeltdt01]

Actually, a lot of Democrats have made some big money from the Iraq war. i read somewhere just the other day that John Kerry has benefited the most financially from the war.


And you think that republicans made nothing?

Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton and guess who is making billions in Iraq. I'm sure it's all legal. :rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

"I read it on the internet so it must be true"...:o

That certainly read like an editorial piece, I must admit that I didn't read the entire thing though. Too slanted without reference to speeches where he declared he would get Saddaam. Surely if it was part of the campaign it's out there somewhere. Maybe I'll do some research of my own.

[Remodeltdt01]

"I read it on the internet so it must be true"...:o

That certainly read like an editorial piece, I must admit that I didn't read the entire thing though. Too slanted without reference to speeches where he declared he would get Saddaam. Surely if it was part of the campaign it's out there somewhere. Maybe I'll do some research of my own.


If you do a search on Bush and Herskowitz (the ghost writer) you'll find tons of corroborating evidence.

GB Jr cut back the anti Hussein/Iraq rhetoric in the latter parts of the campaign and early campaign speeches were rarely transcribed as best I can tell.

[mrs reb77]

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000b.html

This debate has sections where it sounds as if both Gore and Bush would want to 'get Saddam'.

[mrs reb77]

and why do people refer to George W as Jr.? He isn't. Just saying.

[air311]

And you think that republicans made nothing?

Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton and guess who is making billions in Iraq. I'm sure it's all legal. :rolleyes:

Plenty of republicans have gotten rich as well..or richer than they already were. I was just saying there's a reason Democrats didn't initally vote against the war, they would have been voting against making a lot of money.

[glennac]

You're always calling people that disagree with your paranoid views communists or socialists or something, whether it's true or not. That is worthy of being called "personal attacks" in my book.

Name one post where I called a fellow postser a communist. You can't. I haven't so stop publishing lies about other members on this forum. That is against the rules and is a personal attack. How come you didn't give us a link to a post where I have called someone a commie? You can't. That is your standard SOP make instantiated charges and then don't publish a link or anything to back your lies up. Up to your usual tactics I see air.

PS I am surprised that you have chosen to address this subject since you are one of the biggest violators of the rules against name calling and personal attacks in this forum. Oh well wonders never cease.

[tunnel_rat]

Plenty of republicans have gotten rich as well..or richer than they already were. I was just saying there's a reason Democrats didn't initally vote against the war, they would have been voting against making a lot of money.


You don't mean the principled Dems would vote for an "un just" war and get our boys killed just to make a fast buck, then when it's politically convienient, turn around and blame Bush for everything?? LMAO

Yea, sounds about right..........SOP........:rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Name one post where I called a fellow postser a communist. You can't. I haven't so stop publishing lies about other members on this forum. That is against the rules and is a personal attack. How come you didn't give us a link to a post where I have called someone a commie? You can't. That is your standard SOP make instantiated charges and then don't publish a link or anything to back your lies up. Up to your usual tactics I see air.

Actually I called air a communist. Only because he admitted it :eek: :D
I think he took it as a compliment. :p

[Remodeltdt01]

You don't mean the principled Dems would vote for an "un just" war and get our boys killed just to make a fast buck, then when it's politically convienient, turn around and blame Bush for everything?? LMAO

Yea, sounds about right..........SOP........:rolleyes:

That doesn't make the republicans any better.

[air311]

Name one post where I called a fellow postser a communist. You can't. I haven't so stop publishing lies about other members on this forum. That is against the rules and is a personal attack. How come you didn't give us a link to a post where I have called someone a commie? You can't. That is your standard SOP make instantiated charges and then don't publish a link or anything to back your lies up. Up to your usual tactics I see air.

PS I am surprised that you have chosen to address this subject since you are one of the biggest violators of the rules against name calling and personal attacks in this forum. Oh well wonders never cease.

Wow. You have called me a commie loving liberal in the past. I'm sure if I had time to go through all the threads on here i'd find it. And you've called others that have disagreed with you commies or commie supporting liberals, or socialist, or whoever you hated more that day. Whether it's true or not. That makes it a personal attack. And I could care less about the rules on some internet forum, if I think someone is a fool i'll let him know. Anybody who disagrees with you either hates America, is a commie, a socialist, or something else. And i'
m not the only one who has noticed this.

[RoBoTeq]

I don't think you are a Communist. I think that you think like a Communist though;)

[Tool-Slinger]

If you do a search on Bush and Herskowitz (the ghost writer) you'll find tons of corroborating evidence.

GB Jr cut back the anti Hussein/Iraq rhetoric in the latter parts of the campaign and early campaign speeches were rarely transcribed as best I can tell.
LOL! Are You kidding?

Regime change in Iraq is USA law since 1998. Blame clinton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

[Remodeltdt01]

LOL! Are You kidding?

Regime change in Iraq is USA law since 1998. Blame clinton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

Actually Saddam originally got his armaments from one of his best allies, the US. Blame Bush.

[Tool-Slinger]

Actually Saddam originally got his armaments from one of his best allies, the US. Blame Bush.
When,... saddam was fighting iran who was then allied with the soviet union. Yup, DUH!

[Remodeltdt01]

When,... saddam was fighting iran who was then allied with the soviet union. Yup, DUH!

Iran was allied with the Soviets because the US refused to establish relations with Iran after the Shah's regime collapsed. The president that could have established relations was Reagan.

Maybe we should blame him. Or maybe we should blame Alexander the Great because he stabilized(destabilized?) the entire region. :rolleyes:

[glennac]

Wow. You have called me a commie loving liberal in the past. I'm sure if I had time to go through all the threads on here i'd find it. And you've called others that have disagreed with you commies or commie supporting liberals, or socialist, or whoever you hated more that day. Whether it's true or not. That makes it a personal attack. And I could care less about the rules on some internet forum, if I think someone is a fool i'll let him know. Anybody who disagrees with you either hates America, is a commie, a socialist, or something else. And i'
m not the only one who has noticed this.

Still the same lying air. Find one post where I called another member a commie you cannot all you can do is lie and make false statements. By continuing to lie you think that makes it true. Just stop lying and for once prove me wrong instead of lying again and saying that I called you a commie or others members who post here a commie. I guess you need to put a quote under your name "I rather lie than tell the truth" Now I will call you a liar because it is true and easy to document. I haven't called you a communist because I can't prove it. But like Robo said you do think like one. For right now lets just call you a liar unless you can show one post where I have called you or other member a communist. Good luck you will need it because I haven't. Go waste your time on a wild goose chase.:)

[air311]

Still the same lying air. Find one post where I called another member a commie you cannot all you can do is lie and make false statements. By continuing to lie you think that makes it true. Just stop lying and for once prove me wrong instead of lying again and saying that I called you a commie or others members who post here a commie. I guess you need to put a quote under your name "I rather lie than tell the truth" Now I will call you a liar because it is true and easy to document. I haven't called you a communist because I can't prove it. But like Robo said you do think like one. For right now lets just call you a liar unless you can show one post where I have called you or other member a communist. Good luck you will need it because I haven't. Go waste your time on a wild goose chase.:)
Fool. ( go running to the arp police now). You have referred to me and others as being commie supporting facists liberals on numerous occasions. Others have seen it. I've read posts where others have accused you od the same stuff. Maybe we're all a bunch of lying liberal nuts huh? And name one thing that I have ever said that implies I think like a communist. Just one. That is if you're done complaining about breaking the precious rules on here.

[mrs reb77]

For the record, no one has to "( go running to the arp police now)" because the ARPC actually do read these threads. I must say I'm disappointed in this commentary from the two of you.
I believe it has been brought up before.

mrs reb77
ARPC

[air311]

For the record, no one has to "( go running to the arp police now)" because the ARPC actually do read these threads. I must say I'm disappointed in this commentary from the two of you.
I believe it has been brought up before.

mrs reb77
ARPC

Yes, it has, and it's getting quite boring. And it's sad that there even is an ARPC, in my opinion. But then, i'm not a fan of censorship.

[glennac]

Fool. ( go running to the arp police now). You have referred to me and others as being commie supporting facists liberals on numerous occasions. Others have seen it. I've read posts where others have accused you od the same stuff. Maybe we're all a bunch of lying liberal nuts huh? And name one thing that I have ever said that implies I think like a communist. Just one. That is if you're done complaining about breaking the precious rules on here.

Stop your lying air. I have never called you or anyone else on this forum a commie and I have an open offer to you or anyone else may claim such a lie like you are doing now and have done to show me one just one post. If you do this then I won't post on ARP again. You can not you are just a liar and like to throw slander at me and others who do not share your leftest views on politics.

I will let Robo answer the thinking like commies comment. I just agreed with him. You are the only one I know of who continually engages in name calling on this forum in violation of the rules. When the rules were published I read, understood and agreed with them. They make sense and you can not and will not find me in violation of the rules other than when I was called names in an unprovoked attack by you and I only used the same name back to you which you called me. I won't even do that now since I was corrected by a mod for doing such. When are you going to stop lying and show us a post. I want anyone on this forum to do so. Nobody can since I haven't so when are you going to stop the lying and smear campain? All you can do is to repeat the lies but you can not show one once of proof. Yes you are the biggest liar on this forum and everyone can see that.

[Admin]

For the record, no one has to "( go running to the arp police now)" because the ARPC actually do read these threads. I must say I'm disappointed in this commentary from the two of you.
I believe it has been brought up before.

mrs reb77
ARPC

I agree mrs reb77,
I am over the fool, commie, liar, running to the ARP police, etc.
Childish, VERY childish.

[mrs reb77]

ARP rules as stated:
1) Flame wars will not be allowed. Keep your discussions civil and watch the name calling. If you feel yourself getting mad, back away from the computer until you cool off. We encourage debate and discussion, but it must be kept within reasonable standards.

Any poster who has received a caution, an edit, or a disciplinary action from ARPC, may challenge our action once and once only for further ARPC review by e-mailing us at hvactalk.arp@gmail.com . After having heard his/her case in the appeal, the final decision will be rendered without further discussion. Any argument, disagreement, reference to the final decision, or reference to said proceedings on the forum will subject the challenger to possible Administrator sanctions. All discussions between ARPC and violator will take place via email. NO discussion concerning the initial action or any following discussion/actions will take place on the forum...period.

Consider yourselves both cautioned to cease this name calling.

[mrs reb77]

I agree mrs reb77,
I am over the fool, commie, liar, running to the ARP police, etc.
Childish, VERY childish.

Thanks Admin, my computer was a little slow.

[Admin]

Yes, it has, and it's getting quite boring. And it's sad that there even is an ARPC, in my opinion. But then, i'm not a fan of censorship.

There is no such thing as censorship on a "private" website...you could leave the site?

If this keeps up, I will not ask you to leave, you will all be gone. Clear enough?

[air311]

Stop your lying air. I have never called you or anyone else on this forum a commie and I have an open offer to you or anyone else may claim such a lie like you are doing now and have done to show me one just one post. If you do this then I won't post on ARP again. You can not you are just a liar and like to throw slander at me and others who do not share your leftest views on politics.

I will let Robo answer the thinking like commies comment. I just agreed with him. You are the only one I know of who continually engages in name calling on this forum in violation of the rules. When the rules were published I read, understood and agreed with them. They make sense and you can not and will not find me in violation of the rules other than when I was called names in an unprovoked attack by you and I only used the same name back to you which you called me. I won't even do that now since I was corrected by a mod for doing such. When are you going to stop lying and show us a post. I want anyone on this forum to do so. Nobody can since I haven't so when are you going to stop the lying and smear campain? All you can do is to repeat the lies but you can not show one once of proof. Yes you are the biggest liar on this forum and everyone can see that. Imagine that, let him answer it because you have no clue as to why you agree with him.
And what leftist views? That's my point, yet another unsubstantiated claim. Almost anyone would appear to have leftist leaning views compared to you.

[glennac]

For the record, no one has to "( go running to the arp police now)" because the ARPC actually do read these threads. I must say I'm disappointed in this commentary from the two of you.
I believe it has been brought up before.

mrs reb77
ARPC

Mrs reb, I have just read your post after publishing my last one. I will now refrain from pointing out the lies about me from air which can easily be verified but he keeps saying the same thing over and over again so I have kept repeating the falsehoods of his statement. If I did not do this then someone might actually think he was telling the truth which he is not and I do get tired of this sort of thing. No one else will correct him if they would then I wouldn't have defended myself. But I wish that anyone who actually feels that those charges are true to please publish the link and you will not hear from me again. I do obey the rules but I do have a right to defend myself against wild and unfounded charges. That is the American way. Thank you, Glenn

[Tool-Slinger]

Iran was allied with the Soviets because the US refused to establish relations with Iran after the Shah's regime collapsed. The president that could have established relations was Reagan.

Maybe we should blame him. Or maybe we should blame Alexander the Great because he stabilized(destabilized?) the entire region. :rolleyes:
'''''''''''''Iran was allied with the Soviets because the US refused to establish relations with Iran after the Shah's regime collapsed. The president that could have established relations was Reagan.

Maybe we should blame him.'''''''''''''''

WOW!!!!! DUDE!!!!!

Have you never heard of the iranian hostage crisis!!!!! During the carter administration?!? You expect Reagan would show up in iran with a tray of tea and crumpets or something to make freinds after that attack on the USA? IRAN IS HOSTILE, and has been since their little 'revolution' back in the 70s, before Reagan.

Allied with soviets or not, iran was a hostile, but that alliance made them twice as evil as we had been fighting directly and indirectly with the communists since about 1950.

Seriously, google it, ''iranian hostage crisis carter''. Reagan took office 1981.

[RoBoTeq]

Imagine that, let him answer it because you have no clue as to why you agree with him.
And what leftist views? That's my point, yet another unsubstantiated claim. Almost anyone would appear to have leftist leaning views compared to you.
My stating that I think you think like a Communist is my opinion of the things you post. It is just my opinion of you. If you don't like my opinion of you, you can change your Commie ways or ignore me, your choice;)

You see, as long as we Americans don't cave into the whims of Commie thinking Socialists such as yourself, you will continue to have a choice:p

[tunnel_rat]

If it walks like a duck, thinks like a duck, talks like a duck.............................................. .................................................. ...............................it probably ain't a mongoose.....:rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Aflack!

[tunnel_rat]

Aflack!

:D:D:D

[air311]

My stating that I think you think like a Communist is my opinion of the things you post. It is just my opinion of you. If you don't like my opinion of you, you can change your Commie ways or ignore me, your choice;)

You see, as long as we Americans don't cave into the whims of Commie thinking Socialists such as yourself, you will continue to have a choice:p

I didn't think you actually possessed the ability to read.

[tunnel_rat]

Typical thoughtful liberal comeback. Don't bother with the premise, just act childish.:rolleyes:

Great.................

[air311]

Typical thoughtful liberal comeback. Don't bother with the premise, just act childish.:rolleyes:

Great.................
Not sure what I was suppose to respond to. He didn't actually say anything. Nothing resembling an explanation in what he typed. And who the hell is a liberal, man you people aren't real bright on here. I understand anyone who disagrees with the majority of you on here is considered a liberal, but you people make the Pope seem liberal.

[bootlen]

The Pope IS liberal.

[tunnel_rat]

Not sure what I was suppose to respond to. He didn't actually say anything. Nothing resembling an explanation in what he typed. And who the hell is a liberal, man you people aren't real bright on here. I understand anyone who disagrees with the majority of you on here is considered a liberal, but you people make the Pope seem liberal.

If you don't know what you are responding to, why just type high school crap?? For the sake of a post? Are you that bored? Why not ask for an explaination? Why not state your case?

Shame we aren't all as bright as you, but...we're tryin'
If you have to ask who is a liberal, you most likely are one. :D
I'm just sayin...........;)

[Andy Schoen]

The Pope IS liberal.

A God-fearing Marxist of sorts. :D

[hvacker]

Not sure what I was suppose to respond to. He didn't actually say anything. Nothing resembling an explanation in what he typed. And who the hell is a liberal, man you people aren't real bright on here. I understand anyone who disagrees with the majority of you on here is considered a liberal, but you people make the Pope seem liberal.

Hey Air, I've been here awhile and what the Gang of Four is trying to do is purge you, Remember Stalin?? They are sooooo comfortable with what they think and wanting to just have a space where their ideas are NEVER challenged and they can live forever in their permanent deceptions. Everyone is encouraged to leave.
This has never been a place for ideas only as a format for not even conservative thought as it misses even the most elemental understanding of conservatism.
I think only myself and the Doctor have mentioned Kirk as a conservative thinker. So there you go!
They really don't know a thing about conservative thought and also seem incapable of learning, quite comfortable in their comfort zone.

Take comfort though.. Their time is ending and they can wallow in their discontent.

[k-fridge]

Gang of Four

Who is the Gang of Four?

[RoBoTeq]

I didn't think....... blah, blah, blah blah blah.
Yea, we get that about you.

[Andy Schoen]

Hey Air, I've been here awhile and what the Gang of Four is trying to do is purge you, Remember Stalin?? They are sooooo comfortable with what they think and wanting to just have a space where their ideas are NEVER challenged and they can live forever in their permanent deceptions. Everyone is encouraged to leave.

You're drinking too much Kool-Aid. Or is that Flavor Aid? ;)


This has never been a place for ideas only as a format for not even conservative thought as it misses even the most elemental understanding of conservatism.

Long live the Heritage Foundation. :D

[RoBoTeq]

A God-fearing Marxist of sorts. :D
wow....that just kinda twists the ole theological thought patterns:confused:

[Andy Schoen]

wow....that just kinda twists the ole theological thought patterns:confused:

Karl Marx's ideas weren't all bad, but they sure made a mess of a government's attempts to impose economic equality consistent with Christian principles while being steadfastly atheist. :confused:

[tunnel_rat]

Hey Air, I've been here awhile and what the Gang of Four is trying to do is purge you, Remember Stalin?? They are sooooo comfortable with what they think and wanting to just have a space where their ideas are NEVER challenged and they can live forever in their permanent deceptions. Everyone is encouraged to leave.
This has never been a place for ideas only as a format for not even conservative thought as it misses even the most elemental understanding of conservatism.
I think only myself and the Doctor have mentioned Kirk as a conservative thinker. So there you go!
They really don't know a thing about conservative thought and also seem incapable of learning, quite comfortable in their comfort zone.

Take comfort though.. Their time is ending and they can wallow in their discontent.


Sooooooo.....I guess intelligent debate is still out of the question, huh? :p

A bit too much to ask???:D

He don't remember Stalin, He don't remember Carter.......

[glennac]

Karl Marx's ideas weren't all bad, but they sure made a mess of a government's attempts to impose economic equality consistent with Christian principles while being steadfastly atheist. :confused:

I beg your pardon. Marx preached violent overthrow of capitalism by what ever means necessary. Killing off the upper and middle class.

[air311]

Hey Air, I've been here awhile and what the Gang of Four is trying to do is purge you, Remember Stalin?? They are sooooo comfortable with what they think and wanting to just have a space where their ideas are NEVER challenged and they can live forever in their permanent deceptions. Everyone is encouraged to leave.
This has never been a place for ideas only as a format for not even conservative thought as it misses even the most elemental understanding of conservatism.
I think only myself and the Doctor have mentioned Kirk as a conservative thinker. So there you go!
They really don't know a thing about conservative thought and also seem incapable of learning, quite comfortable in their comfort zone.

Take comfort though.. Their time is ending and they can wallow in their discontent.
Oh I figured that out the first time I came here. They freely bash and label anyone that disagrees with their warped views, but take offense when someone does it to them. They seemingly have no idea what makes someone a liberal or conservative. It's amusing watching their assinine responses though, even when they never actually respond to anything.

[k-fridge]

I still wanna know who the "Gang of Four" is.

[Andy Schoen]

I beg your pardon. Marx preached violent overthrow of capitalism by what ever means necessary. Killing off the upper and middle class.

Marx's ideas were hardly all good either. :D

Just trying to delineate some sources of today's liberal think.

[bootlen]

I still wanna know who the "Gang of Four" is.

Air311, acmanko, hvacker, and ole.

[air311]

Air311, acmanko, hvacker, and ole.

For some reason, I don't think we're who he was referring to.

[k-fridge]

Hey Air, I've been here awhile and what the Gang of Four is trying to do is purge you, Remember Stalin?? They are sooooo comfortable with what they think and wanting to just have a space where their ideas are NEVER challenged and they can live forever in their permanent deceptions. Everyone is encouraged to leave.
This has never been a place for ideas only as a format for not even conservative thought as it misses even the most elemental understanding of conservatism.
I think only myself and the Doctor have mentioned Kirk as a conservative thinker. So there you go!
They really don't know a thing about conservative thought and also seem incapable of learning, quite comfortable in their comfort zone.

Take comfort though.. Their time is ending and they can wallow in their discontent.

Well, I'm going to address this post.

First off, no one has yet to tell me who the gang of four is. Is it the ARPC? If so, you should know that there are 5 of us and we are not all conservative. One member is pretty liberal actually, a couple others somewhat moderate.

If you're implying that there's some conspiracy to get rid of non-conservatives, that's just crazy. Fact is, a slight majority of the people we've banned or given points to were right of center. We don't care what your positions are, as long as you follow the rules you can believe whatever you want and discuss anything that's even close to being within the recommended topics of this forum.

And BTW...we are not trying to "purge" anyone. If we wanted to get rid of someone we could do so easily. We have the authority, all we have to do is hit the button and poof. But that's not what we're about, we want to build the forum, just within the boundaries of the rules. Play by the rules and you can hold whatever beliefs you want and still be in good standing here.

We (ARPC) know that the forum will only grow by having interesting discussion. For that we need different and opposing viewpoints. A "right wing circle jerk", to quote Oloe, would be pretty boring; we need all sides involved.

Do you want to make the forum better? Then quit whining and post interesting topics. Make positive contributions to the forum. Discuss and debate, just do so within the rules and you'll get no flack from ARPC.

If the "Gang of Four" is not ARPC, then who is it? It has been suggested that the term orginated way back before the forum was cleaned up. If that's the case, the "Gang of Four is probably gone....banned because they broke the rules. I can think of a couple of former posters that would fit what you describe, but they are gone.

And BTW...For the record....Geer was never banned or even given points. He left on his own after James was banned. He's welcome to come back and post anytime.

Now...here's the warning part. As with anything, there are right and wrong ways to complain. If you have a problem or concern with the ARP forum, take it up with us in private. Either e-mail us or if you need something quick, use the "report post" button. If you e-mail us Bootlin will get it. Give it some time, he's not by a computer all the time. He'll post the e-mail in our private forum and we'll have a fair discussion about it. If there's an urgent need like a spammer or a rules violation, use the report post button. I will be notified almost immediately, as will the regular mods. We'll take the appropriate action.

Folks, this is your forum, the ARPC is only here to keep the content within reasonable boundaries. We are, for all practical purposes, the moderators here. Since it's your forum, make it what you want it to be. Do you want it to be a fun place where you can engage in interesting discussion, or a place where people come to gripe and whine? I know which I would prefer.

[hvacker]

Sooooooo.....I guess intelligent debate is still out of the question, huh? :p

A bit too much to ask???:D

He don't remember Stalin, He don't remember Carter.......


I have yet to here you enter into any kind of intelligent debate of any kind.
Just on this thread go back and just read your responses. not the post you responded to just your responses then tell us all how you in any way contribute to anything but discourse.

[pabull]

I have yet to here you enter into any kind of intelligent debate of any kind.
Just on this thread go back and just read your responses. not the post you responded to just your responses then tell us all how you in any way contribute to anything but discourse.Please sir....step away from the Kool-Aid!!!:rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Must be stronger than kool-aid, I can't decipher the writing.

If people are going to be disparaging toward others, perhaps they could at least learn spelling, grammar and sentence structure? ;)

[Tool-Slinger]

Must be stronger than kool-aid, I can't decipher the writing.

If people are going to be disparaging toward others, perhaps they could at least learn spelling, grammar and sentence structure? ;)
SOOOooooo iffin I spells incorrext than I get pixed on fur beain drunken or sumphin lix that. I'll have your know, i wus ther spelin-bwe champsion in the thix grade. So theres.

[hiccup] :D

just kidding around on-thread, no offence to anyone. I do that when i drink beer, fairly common-place for me. I am currently celebrating a big paycheck, so I have had a few beers. I wasn't counting, but let's see,... one,.. two.. yea, oh yea,.. that would have been six,.. okay yeah, yup,yup,

WAIT! DUDE! OMG! I GOT SEVEN FINGERS!

[mrs reb77]

Drunken errors do not count. It's when you become a pompous butt-head and think you are better than everyone else but have all the ... English challenges ... that it becomes a topic of concern.

Carry on! :D (and, I don't recall a drunk who lisp-spells!)

[hvacker]

Yup, if you can't attack the argument, attack the person.
Sophomoric.

You can be remarkably chicken s**t

[mrs reb77]

Sorry you feel that way. Truthfully I just re-read the post in question and still don't understand it.

Here:
I have yet to here you enter into any kind of intelligent debate of any kind.
Just on this thread go back and just read your responses. not the post you responded to just your responses then tell us all how you in any way contribute to anything but discourse.

Contribute to anything but discourse? And why would anyone read just a response if it IS a response to a previous post and the previous post is provided? If you TAKE IT WITHOUT, isn't that what the media is accused of doing constantly? Taking a speakers words out of context?

Discourse (L. discursus, "running to and from") means either "written or spoken communication or debate" or "a formal discussion or debate" [1]. The term is often used in semantics and discourse analysis.

If he is contributing to discourse, is he not contributing to the communication or debate? See, that's where I really don't understand what the diddly you meant. Hence my post referencing it.

[RoBoTeq]

For crying out loud, would the member who keeps making the comments about the "gang of four" stop being such a puss and tell us who the "gang of four" are?!!!! What a wuss!

[mrs reb77]

Inquiring minds want to know? :D

[k-fridge]

History is full of "leaders" who rallied their people around the threat of a common enemy.

Sometimes when there was no such enemy, one had to be invented.

[mrs reb77]

I think I saw that on a Monty Python skit once....:o