I listed all of Obamas accomplishments

[Snapperhead]

umm .... wow .... cant think of any . Nevermind fellas , nothin to see here , sorry .

[tunnel_rat]

What about, ....oh yea, that was Castro....:D

[Remodeltdt01]

Accomplishments are a 2 edged sword. If we list the other "contenders" or the existing "champion" 's accomplishments the list wouldn't be too stellar.

It could be argued that voting in a presidential campaign is more a case of determining who will do the least damage than who will accomplish the most.

[RoBoTeq]

McCain may not be my first choice of a president, but at least he has accomplished things during his political career. He has actually "done" things, Obama has not.

So far, all we have been hearing from Obama is "change". Well, since he is running as a Black candidate, just what does "change" mean to all Americans who are not Black? He denounces his White relatives as being "typical White people".....maybe he intends to "change" that. Since Obama hasn't actually done anything (attends meetings but doesn't vote on issues makes him pretty "vanilla" if you ask me), just what would we be voting for?

[Mr Bill]

He has accomplished being the first Bro to be running for President if that counts as an accomplishment. :eek:

[RoBoTeq]

He has accomplished being the first Bro to be running for President if that counts as an accomplishment. :eek:
Half bro. He can deny his race and he can deny his allegiance to his country, but he cannot deny the truth without himself being a liar. He is a liar and he is a scary entity to be considered as the leader of the United States.

[Snapperhead]

He has accomplished being the first Bro to be running for President if that counts as an accomplishment. :eek:didnt Jesse Jackson try to run years ago ? ?

[tunnel_rat]

But the good Rev. didn't actually "get" the nomination. For that matter, I'm not so sure B.O. actually "got" it yet either....Depends what their rules are tomorrow. Or the next day, or the .............................

[k-fridge]

didnt Jesse Jackson try to run years ago ? ?
Yep. So did Alan Keys, Al Sharpton, Carol Mosely Brown, Cynthis McKinny is running on the green party, some others in years past. But Obama is the first to get a major party's nomination and actually have a reasonable shot at winning.

[Snapperhead]

Accomplishments are a 2 edged sword. If we list the other "contenders" or the existing "champion" 's accomplishments the list wouldn't be too stellar..Obama would'nt have a list , period , not even a one liner .

All we know is , he comes from a good church upbringing and ..... no , actually wait , that was Castro too ..



It could be argued that voting in a presidential campaign is more a case of determining who will do the least damage than who will accomplish the most .can't argue that , but I would like to see somebody who will scare the pants off our rivals like ol Reagan . That ol dude sat around with one finger on the button .... just Wishing he could push it . I will never forget how nervous that guy made us .

Crazies have Respect for Crazies .

Remember the bullies in high school ? They didnt mess with each other . They messed with the sissies . How do I know ? Lets just say I spent many days in suspension .

Ol Bin Laden is itching to see another Carter in office . He just might see Carters darker skinned clone .

IF that man wins office .... next day Im buying a few more guns to protect my family , because he sure aint gonna do it :cool:

[jmac00]

IF that man wins office .... next day Im buying a few more guns to protect my family , because he sure aint gonna do it :cool:


With Yomama in office, and Nancy Pelosey and Chuck Schummer and all the other gun control freaks out there, ya might not want to spend any money on guns, those idiots will try and ban them by the end of 2009:mad:

[Mr Bill]

But Obama is the first to get a major party's nomination and actually have a reasonable shot at winning.

And that is really what I meant, Thanks! :D

[Mr Bill]

Half bro. He can deny his race and he can deny his allegiance to his country, but he cannot deny the truth without himself being a liar. He is a liar and he is a scary entity to be considered as the leader of the United States.

Man Robin would it be safe to assume you don't care for him? http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/mrbillpro/icon_haha.gif

[RoBoTeq]

Man Robin would it be safe to assume you don't care for him? http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/mrbillpro/icon_haha.gif
I just don't trust him. He has done too little so far and has too many tendencies that make me feel he will not have the best interest of all Americans on his mind or in his heart.

How can I trust a leader who will not denounce a bigoted mentor while denouncing one side of his own family to not himself be a bigot? How can I trust a man who has many characteristics of the Islamic faith that he defies traditional loyalty to his country? How can I trust a man who continues to chant about change without ever actually saying what it is he is going to change? My fear is that he wants to change what the United States has stood for and he wants to change my way of life in a way I will not care for.

[mrs reb77]

I saw this saying some time back and thought it appropriate
(forgive me for not being politically correct, it's been a long day)

Obama
Half Honkey, All Donkey

[RoBoTeq]

I saw this saying some time back and thought it appropriate
(forgive me for not being politically correct, it's been a long day)

Obama
Half Honkey, All Donkey
Which leads me to wonder why someone like Tiger Woods can make us feel so good about multiracial people and Obama can make us feel so uncomfortable about someone of multiple races.

If you can deny your own racial makeup, traditional displays of loyalty to your country and the bigotry of mentors who spew out hatred for White people and the United States, just what else can you deny?

[jmac00]

There is nothing wrong with change.

There is "good" change and "bad" change, I think Obama is going to change things, but not for the better.

he all ready said we need another "stimulus package"......... oh really? who the hell is going to pay for the first one, let alone the second one, wheres the money going to come from, Bush BARROWED money for the first package?

Obama wants to change things? but he's going to do it with tax money, OUR tax money and the only way he's going to accomplish anything is to RAISE TAXES. :mad::mad::mad:

a vote for Obama, is a vote for higher taxes:mad:

[Mr Bill]

Ok Robin here is one of his accomplishments that maybe you will agree with, he had accomplished to piss a lot of folks off. :eek:

[RoBoTeq]

Ok Robin here is one of his accomplishments that maybe you will agree with, he had accomplished to piss a lot of folks off. :eek:
Now, now Bill; there's no need to drag Hillary Clinton's fan club into this.

[coordinatesales]

It's so rare to see something actually get done by a politician and not just talked about. Mccain has gotten things done and I've seen real effort to try to get other things done. I don't agree with all of those things but at least he is trying.

I'm still on the fence regarding my vote. Should I vote third party? That might help send a signal that I don't like the status quo and I might find a third party candidate that I really like. I'm looking at Bob Barr for example.

The other option is voting for Mccain in the hopes that if he wins he'll make supreme court nominees that I support. I have doubt that I would not like Obama's nominees.

[air311]

McCain may not be my first choice of a president, but at least he has accomplished things during his political career. He has actually "done" things, Obama has not.

So far, all we have been hearing from Obama is "change". Well, since he is running as a Black candidate, just what does "change" mean to all Americans who are not Black? He denounces his White relatives as being "typical White people".....maybe he intends to "change" that. Since Obama hasn't actually done anything (attends meetings but doesn't vote on issues makes him pretty "vanilla" if you ask me), just what would we be voting for?

He doesn't vote..yet he's the most liberal member of the Senate? Hmm..he's talented.

[air311]

There is nothing wrong with change.

There is "good" change and "bad" change, I think Obama is going to change things, but not for the better.

he all ready said we need another "stimulus package"......... oh really? who the hell is going to pay for the first one, let alone the second one, wheres the money going to come from, Bush BARROWED money for the first package?

Obama wants to change things? but he's going to do it with tax money, OUR tax money and the only way he's going to accomplish anything is to RAISE TAXES. :mad::mad::mad:

a vote for Obama, is a vote for higher taxes:mad:
Everything the government does is done with our tax money, you fools. I don't think another stimulus package is needed, I don't think the first is going to do anything except put us deeper in debt to China. Nobody is going to change anything, it doesn't matter who gets elected.

[air311]

I just don't trust him. He has done too little so far and has too many tendencies that make me feel he will not have the best interest of all Americans on his mind or in his heart.

How can I trust a leader who will not denounce a bigoted mentor while denouncing one side of his own family to not himself be a bigot? How can I trust a man who has many characteristics of the Islamic faith that he defies traditional loyalty to his country? How can I trust a man who continues to chant about change without ever actually saying what it is he is going to change? My fear is that he wants to change what the United States has stood for and he wants to change my way of life in a way I will not care for.

Name a politician who does have the best interest of all Americans on his mind. He's not going to change your way of life, whatever that way is. Get a grip people. They ALL talk about change, but does anything ever change? Hell no.

[me75006]

Well, he is good at rewriting history, and then he discovered we have 57 states. Amazing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4&feature=related

[tonys]

nu-cu-lar

???

[Remodeltdt01]

They ALL talk about change, but does anything ever change? Hell no.

Typically that's true, though the current administration has made a difference.

[Snapperhead]

I'm still on the fence regarding my vote. Should I vote third party? That might help send a signal that I don't like the status quo and I might find a third party candidate that I really like. I'm looking at Bob Barr for example.
Im not positive on the exact percentile .... but I believe only 3 % generally vote 3rd party . Not enough to really make a difference .

[air311]

Typically that's true, though the current administration has made a difference.
What difference? Putting us further in debt to China and killing our economy? Not that Bush is solely responsible, but he can take a large chunk of the blame.

[k-fridge]

Im not positive on the exact percentile .... but I believe only 3 % generally vote 3rd party . Not enough to really make a difference .
I know Bob. He's a good guy but he wouldn't make a good president. A president has to be an administrator and someone who can sit down with congress and get things done. Bob is an ex prosecutor and a hard nosed one at that. He was good at what he did, but not the right demeanor for the White House.

[Remodeltdt01]

What difference? Putting us further in debt to China and killing our economy? Not that Bush is solely responsible, but he can take a large chunk of the blame.

We might also add putting us into an unneeded war, setting back foreign relations a couple decades, failing to address the oil addiction problem when it would have been less painful, and the upcoming recession. He has made a difference. :(

[air311]

We might also add putting us into an unneeded war, setting back foreign relations a couple decades, failing to address the oil addiction problem when it would have been less painful, and the upcoming recession. He has made a difference. :(

The oil addiction problem should have been addressed long ago, but yeah, Bush didn't do a damn thing on that subject. And yet the paranoid fools on this site who swear up and down, though never with anything resembling any kind of proof, that Obama is a terrorist loving communist think 4 more years of the same kind of crap we are getting from this administration would be better that Obama.

[k-fridge]

The oil addiction problem should have been addressed long ago, but yeah, Bush didn't do a damn thing on that subject. And yet the paranoid fools on this site who swear up and down, though never with anything resembling any kind of proof, that Obama is a terrorist loving communist think 4 more years of the same kind of crap we are getting from this administration would be better that Obama.
The oil problem has been ignored by both parties for 40+ years. Plenty of blame to go around there. There has been some attempts (better late than never) to address the issue in the last few years. The GOP has desperately tried to get a bill through to drill in ANWAR, stopped each time by the Dems. Just in the last few days the GOP has tried to approve more offshore drilling, stopped by the Dems. See my thread here http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=173361

Point being, Bush maybe could have done more, but he's not the main problem.

Obama's plan to lower oil prices is to 'go after' (meaning take by force) the oil companies profits and use them to drill and build refineries. Ironic, when the oil companies are willing to do that with their own money anyway and members of Obama's own party are stopping them.

[air311]

The oil problem has been ignored by both parties for 40+ years. Plenty of blame to go around there. There has been some attempts (better late than never) to address the issue in the last few years. The GOP has desperately tried to get a bill through to drill in ANWAR, stopped each time by the Dems. Just in the last few days the GOP has tried to approve more offshore drilling, stopped by the Dems. See my thread here http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=173361

Point being, Bush maybe could have done more, but he's not the main problem.

Obama's plan to lower oil prices is to 'go after' (meaning take by force) the oil companies profits and use them to drill and build refineries. Ironic, when the oil companies are willing to do that with their own money anyway and members of Obama's own party are stopping them.
This has been beat to death in other threads, but drilling in ANWR isn't going to solve the oil problem. And yeah, it is strange to hear Obama talk about wanting the oil companies build more refineries and drill, don't think he'll have much success convincing the nuts on the far left to go along with that.

[k-fridge]

This has been beat to death in other threads, but drilling in ANWR isn't going to solve the oil problem. And yeah, it is strange to hear Obama talk about wanting the oil companies build more refineries and drill, don't think he'll have much success convincing the nuts on the far left to go along with that.
ANWAR won't solve the problem, but it would help. Had we drilled there 10 years ago we'd have about a million barrels a day that we wouldn't have to depend on foreign sources for. That would influence the price of oil and loosen their grip on our collective hoo-hoos. :p

[Snapperhead]

34 posts later , nobody has one measly accomplishment Obama has done . What the hell do I have to do .... offer a reward for one ? ?

[Remodeltdt01]

34 posts later , nobody has one measly accomplishment Obama has done . What the hell do I have to do .... offer a reward for one ? ?

He won the democratic nomination. No one else was able to. :D

[coordinatesales]

I know Bob. He's a good guy but he wouldn't make a good president. A president has to be an administrator and someone who can sit down with congress and get things done. Bob is an ex prosecutor and a hard nosed one at that. He was good at what he did, but not the right demeanor for the White House.

Thanks, that's the kind of info I wouldn't hear about in the media. It's almost impossible to really get good info on third party candidates. I really wish Ross Perot had been more successful. Not that I want him as president today but because if he had at least been closer, we might have a more viable third party. Our current parties are too entrenched, they need something to shake them up.

[mrs reb77]

He won the democratic nomination. No one else was able to. :D

Not yet. That only happens at the convention. So--keep trying...

[RoBoTeq]

He won the democratic nomination. No one else was able to. :D
At best, he beat a girl. Typical of liberals to think highly of insignificant events.

[crackertech]

All though I dont agree with everything W has done OB scares the hell out of me.I think that it is time to fire all of them and start fresh cong-sen and have
term limits for all of them. Just my 2 cents.

[coordinatesales]

I think that it is time to fire all of them and start fresh

I think that is what the founding fathers had in mind when they set up our system. We are supposed to vote out the ones that don't do their job but somehow that doesn't seem to be working anymore.

[Snapperhead]

Back in the day the bad apples would end up dead one night . Too bad we have something called Forensics now , or I bet alot more would end up dead .

[Twilly]

Twilli likes Barrack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvXz2xaLNMQ&feature=related

[crackertech]

Twilli likes Barrack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvXz2xaLNMQ&feature=related

:eek::eek::eek: Why???

[Twilly]

Twilli is "Wright"

[Roscoe]

Twilli is "Wright"
Twilli's full of she.it,.................:D

I likes Bohmama cause..............:D

He's a Black man an Black is COOL..............:cool:

Jun 14, 7:18 PM EDT

Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign

By FREDERIC J. FROMMER

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Black conservative talk show host Armstrong Williams has never voted for a Democrat for president. That could change this year with Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's nominee.

"I don't necessarily like his policies; I don't like much that he advocates, but for the first time in my life, history thrusts me to really seriously think about it," Williams said. "I can honestly say I have no idea who I'm going to pull that lever for in November. And to me, that's incredible."

Just as Obama has touched black Democratic voters, he has engendered conflicting emotions among black Republicans. They revel over the possibility of a black president but wrestle with the thought that the Illinois senator doesn't sit beside them ideologically.

"Among black conservatives," Williams said, "they tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November."

Perhaps sensing the possibility of such a shift, Republican presidential candidate John McCain has made some efforts to lure black voters. He recently told Essence magazine that he would attend the NAACP's annual convention next month, and he noted that he recently traveled to Selma, Ala., scene of seminal voting rights protests in the 1960s, and "talked about the need to include 'forgotten Americans.'"

Still, the Arizona senator has a tall order in winning black votes, no doubt made taller by running against a black opponent. In 2004, blacks chose Democrat John Kerry over President Bush by an 88 percent to 11 percent margin, according to exit polls.

J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

"And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things."

Likewise, retired Gen. Colin Powell, who became the country's first black secretary of state under President George W. Bush, said both candidates are qualified and that he will not necessarily vote for the Republican.

"I will vote for the individual I think that brings the best set of tools to the problems of 21st-century America and the 21st-century world regardless of party, regardless of anything else other than the most qualified candidate," Powell said Thursday in Vancouver in comments reported by The Globe and Mail in Toronto.

Writer and actor Joseph C. Phillips got so excited about Obama earlier this year that he started calling himself an "Obamacan" - Obama Republican. Phillips, who appeared on "The Cosby Show" as Denise Huxtable's husband, Navy Lt. Martin Kendall, said he has wavered since, but he is still thinking about voting for Obama.

"I am wondering if this is the time where we get over the hump, where an Obama victory will finally, at long last, move us beyond some of the old conversations about race," Phillips said. "That possibly, just possibly, this great country can finally be forgiven for its original sin, or find some absolution."

Yet Phillips, author of the book "He Talk Like a White Boy," realizes the irony of voting for a candidate based on race to get beyond race.

"We have to not judge him based on his race, but on his desirability as a political candidate," he said. "And based on that, I have a lot of disagreements with him on a lot of issues. I go back and forth."

Michael Steele, the Republican former lieutenant governor of Maryland who lost a Senate race there in 2006, said he is proud of Obama as a black man, but that "come November, I will do everything in my power to defeat him." Electing Obama, he said, would not automatically solve the woes of the black community.

"I think people who try to put this sort of messianic mantle on Barack's nomination are a little bit misguided," he said.

John McWhorter, a self-described political moderate who is a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and a New York Sun columnist, said Obama's Democratic Party victory "proves that while there still is some racism in the United States, there is not enough to matter in any serious manner. This is a watershed moment."

"Obama is probably more to the left than I would prefer on a lot of issues," he adds. "But this issue of getting past race for real is such a wedge issue for me. And he is so intelligent, and I think he would be a perfectly competent president, that I'm for him. I want him to get in because, in a way, it will put me out of a job."

James T. Harris, a Milwaukee radio talk show host and public speaker, said he opposes Obama "with love in my heart."

"We are of the same generation. He's African American and I'm an American of African descent. We both have lovely wives and beautiful children," Harris said. "Other than that, we've got nothing in common. I hope he loses every state."

Moderate Republican Edward Brooke, who blazed his own trail in Massachusetts in 1966 as the first black popularly elected U.S. senator, said he is "extremely proud and confident and joyful" to see Obama ascend. Obama sent Brooke a signed copy of his book, inscribed, "Thank you for paving the way," and Brooke sent his own signed book to Obama, calling the presumed Democratic nominee "a worthy bearer of the torch."

Brooke, who now lives in Florida, won't say which candidate will get his endorsement, but he does say that race won't be a factor in his decision.

"This is the most important election in our history," Brooke said. "And with the world in the condition that it is, I think we've got to get the best person we can get."

Williams, the commentator, says his 82-year-old mother, who also hasn't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate, has already made up her mind.

"She is so proud of Senator Barack Obama, and she has made it clear to all of us that she's voting for him in November," Williams relates. "That is historic. Every time I call her, she asks, 'How's Obama doing?' They feel as if they are a part of this. Because she said, given the history of this country, she never thought she'd ever live to see this moment.

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Personally I don't give a rats ass, I just wanna know what the frig they plan to change when they run the friggen Country into the ground in 3 years...........Oh ah......... they'll blame it on Bush of course.........:rolleyes:

This she.it is gonna get real interesting............hang on............

[glennac]

Obama will probably make May 1st a national holiday in solidarity with the communist "International Labor Day Celebrations". Congress in 1958 designated May 1st as "Loyalty Day" but I'm sure that would be changed if a communist gets into the WH. Time will tell and I hope our time on this planet as a great nation hasn't ended either.

[Remodeltdt01]

After rereading this thread I can honestly say I'm apalled. Maybe the US isn't ready for democracy.

[scarr]

Before you all run out and vote for Mc Cain take a look at who is Economic advisor is. If you like whats happening to our country currently then vote for more of the same. The devaluation of our currency is unprecedented, our national debt is higher than ever, if you havent noticed we are going broke.

Our standard of living (wages vs. cost of living, including energy and food costs) has detiorated dramatically during the last 8 years. The United States taxpayer has just financed the Bear Stearns ( a company that survived the great depression) bailout, so JP Morgan can pick it up at a bargain price. You guaranteed their financing. If you go chapter 11 is the government going to loan you whatever you need at below market interest rates for whatever term neccessary? The Federal Reserve and the super wealthy are having a field day at the working American taxpayers expense.

I really dont support either candidate because their agenda is not specific to making life better for the working American and their families. But before you cast your vote people educate yourself and look around and see whats really happening to this country. Turn off your television get on the internet, study the federal reserve and the principals this country was founded on.

God Bless America,

[Snapperhead]

Pencil in Bob Barr , life will be just fine .

[Twilly]

Twilli still like Ru Paul

[classical]

Twilli still like Ru Paul

I sensed that about you.:D I imagine Robin likes him too!!;)

[Twilly]

Twilli says sounds like a sandwich to Twilli

[Twilly]

After rereading this thread I can honestly say I'm apalled. Maybe the US isn't ready for democracy.

Never has been, Twilli used to be communist

[The Doctor]

.

Obama's plan to lower oil prices is to 'go after' (meaning take by force) the oil companies profits and use them to drill and build refineries. Ironic, when the oil companies are willing to do that with their own money anyway and members of Obama's own party are stopping them.

This final paragraph (bold type)is brilliant. It is absolutely damning for the Democratic machine. It betrays their socialist mentality. While we're on the topic of Obama's lack of accomplishment, let me pile on with a link to a fun article about his non-stellar career (http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=12526)

And back to this nonsense about the Dems taxing windfall profits. Windfall profits are those which are derived from no effort. I'd say that we then ought to repeal federal gasoline taxes, since they have done a WHOLE LOT MORE OF NOTHING for the R & D of petroleum than private industy has been doing all along.