gas $6 per gallon

[wolfstrike]

right now were are approaching a new election.

what is the response from our great candidates about this crisis?
(if they talk about it at all)

"i support alternative energy"

since there are no massive major plans for windmills or solar panels being built, these are code words for ,"yeah gas is going up and you're screwed"

let me ask you this, why on earth would you sit on the edge of your chair, pray , and cast a vote for some idiot to elected who doesn't give a rat's a$$ what your problems are.

if these people aren't send to solve these problems, why are we sending them to Washington?


if the people in this country were Americans, right now we'd all be dressed up like indians and we would be having a Texas Tea Party.

why do you continue to vote for failed politics?


the only solution is to start voting 3rd party and getting all of these traitors out of politics.

it doesn't matter if the 3rd party politicians are good or bad, we need to send people packing on a regular basis.




the immediate solution is to make sure you don't eat these gas prices, you need to make sure you cut back on other products or services until the whole country is effected to the point someone does something.

[wolfstrike]

highschool kids create car that gets 2,800 miles per gallon


http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080414.007/high-school-students-set-new-fuel-economy-record

[Slatts]

right now were are approaching a new election.

what is the response from our great candidates about this crisis?
(if they talk about it at all)

"i support alternative energy"

since there are no massive major plans for windmills or solar panels being built, these are code words for ,"yeah gas is going up and you're screwed"

let me ask you this, why on earth would you sit on the edge of your chair, pray , and cast a vote for some idiot to elected who doesn't give a rat's a$$ what your problems are.

if these people aren't send to solve these problems, why are we sending them to Washington?


if the people in this country were Americans, right now we'd all be dressed up like indians and we would be having a Texas Tea Party.

why do you continue to vote for failed politics?


the only solution is to start voting 3rd party and getting all of these traitors out of politics.

it doesn't matter if the 3rd party politicians are good or bad, we need to send people packing on a regular basis.




the immediate solution is to make sure you don't eat these gas prices, you need to make sure you cut back on other products or services until the whole country is effected to the point someone does something.

We're paying about $1.50 aus per litre for unleaded and about $1.80 for diesel here. If my figures are right that works out to about $US5.40 per gallon and $6.47 respectively.
Seems Australia has the worlds largest reserves of natural gas. I'm betting it won't be any cheaper here when they get into full production. Soon all our cars will be running on petrified dinosaur farts

Gotta love the free market system.

[whec720]

We're paying about $1.50 aus per litre for unleaded and about $1.80 for diesel here. If my figures are right that works out to about $US5.40 per gallon and $6.47 respectively.
Seems Australia has the worlds largest reserves of natural gas. I'm betting it won't be any cheaper here when they get into full production. Soon all our cars will be running on petrified dinosaur farts

Gotta love the free market system.

Yeah... those countries with without the free market system, people are beating down the doors to get in!:p

Seems like it is the other way around, slatts.:D

[Slatts]

Yeah... those countries with without the free market system, people are beating down the doors to get in!:p

Seems like it is the other way around, slatts.:D
Yeh well... my comment was aimed as much as anything else at young Wolfs apparent desire for bloody revolution in order to get rid of the workings of the free market. Some things just can't be sheeted home to the political leaders, as much as they themselves would like to believe the world revolves around them

[whec720]

Yeh well... my comment was aimed as much as anything else at young Wolfs apparent desire for bloody revolution in order to get rid of the workings of the free market. Some things just can't be sheeted home to the political leaders, as much as they themselves would like to believe the world revolves around them

My apologies, I did not catch what you were saying. I think your above statement holds a lot of merit.
Looks like I gotta cut back on the brew..........NAW!!:D

[Slatts]

My apologies, I did not catch what you were saying. I think your above statement holds a lot of merit.
Looks like I gotta cut back on the brew..........NAW!!:D
Cheers mate.;)

[coolwhip]

Did someone say revolution?.....hell yeah!

[mark beiser]

If everyone in the USA and Europe would stop buying stuff made in China and India, the price of gas would eventually go down as China and India's economies sink back down to 3rd world status.

We could also get a good sized short term drop if speculators were removed from the oil and gas commodities markets.

By the time gas makes it to the filling station, its price has been inflated by 2 rounds of commodities exchange. Once for crude oil, then again for the refined gasoline.

[whec720]

If everyone in the USA and Europe would stop buying stuff made in China and India, the price of gas would eventually go down as China and India's economies sink back down to 3rd world status.

We could also get a good sized short term drop if speculators were removed from the oil and gas commodities markets.

By the time gas makes it to the filling station, its price has been inflated by 2 rounds of commodities exchange. Once for crude oil, then again for the refined gasoline.

I wouldn't go monkeying with the speculators too mush. It might have the opposite effect and make things worse, ie...more government involvement.

If the government really wanted to help, they would release the restrictions on exploration and the building of new refineries. Don't hold your breath on that one.

All we can do now is use less...way less, to drive the prices down. Still, I don't think you'll see gasoline under two dollars again.

[hvacker]

We're paying about $1.50 aus per litre for unleaded and about $1.80 for diesel here. If my figures are right that works out to about $US5.40 per gallon and $6.47 respectively.
Seems Australia has the worlds largest reserves of natural gas. I'm betting it won't be any cheaper here when they get into full production. Soon all our cars will be running on petrified dinosaur farts

Gotta love the free market system.

Do you use the Imperial gallon? If I remember an Imperial gallon is 1 US gallon + 1 pint.

[Snapperhead]

If the government really wanted to help, uhh , lemme stop you right here . The Only thing government is worried about , is finding new ways of helping to get Your bank account transferred to Theirs . But legally .

Im sooooo in the wrong business . In my next life , I swear Im going to be a politician . Oh and before I forget .... what was the phone number of Spitzers female companions again ?

[BigJon3475]

No energy plan:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/2007/initiatives/energy.html

Crude oil history and analysis:
http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

Wonder why gas prices are going up....thank your house or representatives even though higher gas prices were warned about from the gas prices from retaliation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080520/pl_nm/congress_opec_dc;_ylt=AkTumULJZNAGIya4P9qEOdtZ.3QA


Does no one see the news or is it the American downfall with only being able to remember a few months back?

[wolfstrike]

Wolfs apparent desire for bloody revolution in order to get rid of the workings of the free marketQUOTE]

it is completly false that we have a "free market".

you can't create you own machines to bypass the oil companies and other large businesses,
the government would come in with licences , regulations and close down everything you do as "unsafe"


in a "free market" we would be able to grow our food here and buy it here.


the people who started this country were inventors who solved problems.

the people who run this country are dictators who direct business to the highest bidder.




[QUOTE]If everyone in the USA and Europe would stop buying stuff made in China


i don't know if you have realized it or not, but everything on your shelf is made in China and you don't have a freaking choice.

NO BODY in America wants to buy their products from China, your politicians have created this envirionment.


all it takes is one law that says, "if you sell it here, you make it here"



go ahead, elect another traitor.

[BigJon3475]

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=8348967

man drills for his own oil.

[Snapperhead]

We could get a good sized short term drop if speculators were removed from the oil and gas commodities markets.

By the time gas makes it to the filling station, its price has been inflated by 2 rounds of commodities exchange. Once for crude oil, then again for the refined gasoline.So true my friend . You know OPEC is about to be sued by our Government , well I think they are barking up the wrong oil tree .

We all see right through the BS the leaders try and shove down our throats . We also are smart enough to understand that a number of factors infact do affect the price of oil . Demand is increasing faster than production blah blah blah , reserve capacity is at record lows , new discoveries not keeping up with demand growth due to political reasons ( not in my back yard BS and save the whale nerds ) BUT , then lastly we have .... Yes .... Speculation that almost never happens (fears of terrorism or weather ) or in better terms ( the stock holders/speculators perfect idea of making money quick)

The last on the list is exactly where the population gets screwed and raped , while the Brokers on Wall Street get richer off every living person on earth . Dam why didn't I become a stock broker ..... why ....

[Slatts]

If everyone in the USA and Europe would stop buying stuff made in China and India, the price of gas would eventually go down as China and India's economies sink back down to 3rd world status.

We could also get a good sized short term drop if speculators were removed from the oil and gas commodities markets.


Yes beiser, and if pigs had wings, feathers and were a lot lighter and more aerodynamic they could fly. I don't see it happening tho.


I wouldn't go monkeying with the speculators too mush.

Maybe you shouldn't have had that last brew, whec.


Do you use the Imperial gallon? If I remember an Imperial gallon is 1 US gallon + 1 pint.

Actually HV, I used the convert() function in excel. I asume that it used the US gallon. Actually I don't think there's any difference between US or Imperial gallon. Both 4 quarts or 3.786235 litres. Why? Didn't my figures work out? :(
By the way, I heard on the news today that we're looking at over $1.75 per litre of unleaded by the end of the week. I'm assuming diesel will crack $2.

[mark beiser]

Even if we in the US reduce our usage drastically over the next few years, demand from emerging economies will still drive the price up.

1.5 billion people in China, 3/4 of a billion in India. Even if only 1/5 of the population of those 2 countries climbs above the poverty level and starts driving cars, their oil and gas demand will dwarf the USA.
Lets not forget all the thermoplastics used to make pretty much everything. All of it requires petroleum products, and people in those emerging economies will be buying those products.

Oil and gas prices will continue to rise, even if we exploit more domestic sources, and there is nothing politicians in Washington can do about it.

To bad we have had our heads in the sand for the last 30 years regarding nuclear power. If we had a strong nuclear power infrastructure, the current technology of electric vehicles would be an extremely viable way to greatly reduce our dependence on oil, and fossil fuels in general, in a way that eliminates pollution, rather than just relocating it.


Yes beiser, and if pigs had wings, feathers and were a lot lighter and more aerodynamic they could fly. I don't see it happening tho.

I made no claim that it could happen. :p

[Wolfer]

Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less From Glenn Beck interview

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/10652/

As gas prices continue to increase, Congress continues to blame others while ignoring practical steps to stop the pain Americans are feeling at the pump. To lower gasoline prices and reduce our dependence on foreign oil, we need real solutions to our energy challenges.

http://www.americansolutions.com/

[Slatts]

I made no claim that it could happen. :p

Sorry Mark, didn't notice your first name was in the header or I'd have used it.
As for my comment, I'm on call this week, not having a beer and bored. Therefore making sometimes asinine and I hope fairly inoffensive comments.
Forgive me. It's one of my few remaining vices.

[coordinatesales]

We all like to blame speculators but there is an argument to be made that says they help to level out prices.

If a speculator thinks the current price is low and will go up, he buys. This takes oil off the market which raises prices during a low priced period. This in effect smooths out the low points in prices. :mad:

If a speculator thinks the current price is now peaked, he sells. This puts more oil on the market which lowers prices during a high priced period. This in effect, smooths out the high points in prices. :)

The second part of the equation is the one most people forget about.

[flange]

While the emerging economies do have some input to the overall price of oil via supply/demand, we also have a lot of input. Since no one is looking at the obvious, I will throw this out there.........The american public got so caught up in keeping up with their neighbors, and buying homes on a shoestring, that they have almost single handedly wrecked the economy. The government is reacting to our own stupidity, trying not to allow a deep recession to occur by bailing out these idots. This includes the mortgage brokers, realtors, and investors who overstreched their household budgets. How does this affect oil you may ask??? anyone know the value of the dollar right now versus other global currencies, well it is WAAAAY down from previous levels. This is because of the housing crisis, and credit card debt that is strangling everyone. Step up, and buy only what you can afford and stop mortgaging your future. ?If the dollar were at previous levels, oil wouldnt be so bad. Yes there is demand from around the world, but the dollar is still weak no matter what. Weak dollar equal higher prices on everything that comes across our borders.

[hvacker]

Actually HV, I used the convert() function in excel. I asume that it used the US gallon. Actually I don't think there's any difference between US or Imperial gallon. Both 4 quarts or 3.786235 litres. Why? Didn't my figures work out? :(
By the way, I heard on the news today that we're looking at over $1.75 per litre of unleaded by the end of the week. I'm assuming diesel will crack $2.

Your numbers are probably ok it was just when I was stationed in England and I said that gas was high someone told me they used Imperial gallons and that they were larger than US.
I have a little conversion book and it says US gallon = 3.785 Liters and British = 4.546 liters. Both use 4 quart to a gallon but the book didn't list British quarts.

[Slatts]

Your numbers are probably ok it was just when I was stationed in England and I said that gas was high someone told me they used Imperial gallons and that they were larger than US.
I have a little conversion book and it says US gallon = 3.785 Liters and British = 4.546 liters. Both use 4 quart to a gallon but the book didn't list British quarts.

Sorry hv. (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&as_q=convert+imperial+gallons+to+litres&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images) I stand corrected (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=convert+US+gallons+to+litres&btnG=Search&meta=).:o
I live and learn.:)

[air311]

If everyone in the USA and Europe would stop buying stuff made in China and India, the price of gas would eventually go down as China and India's economies sink back down to 3rd world status.

We could also get a good sized short term drop if speculators were removed from the oil and gas commodities markets.

By the time gas makes it to the filling station, its price has been inflated by 2 rounds of commodities exchange. Once for crude oil, then again for the refined gasoline.

Great idea...except EVERYTHING is made in China and India. Go to any store and look at how many products are made in America. Very very few.