Two more strikes for McCain

[wolfstrike]

McCain denounced pastor Hagee for saying that the Holocaust was "God's will"

there's absolutely nothing offensive about that statement.

idiots take that statement to mean that God hates Jews, when the Bible is filled with incidents persecution throughout their history.

World War 2 was an extremely good religious lesson
(that i'm not going to get into right now)


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McCain denounced another pastor who said Islam was inherently evil.

the fact is, they believe that any land they step foot on belongs to them, and they should die to keep it.

...which is why the war with Israel is never ending.


once again the Christian pastor is right and McCain is just a kiss a$$ fool

[chaard]

I don't listen to Hagee. He has said too many idiotic things. I don't listen to Swaggart, Olsteen, Hinn, Robertson, Roberts, Impe or Copeland.

Strike 2 is meaningless. So, is strike 1. You haven't said anything.

[glennac]

I don't listen to Hagee. He has said too many idiotic things. I don't listen to Swaggart, Olsteen, Hinn, Robertson, Roberts, Impe or Copeland.

Strike 2 is meaningless. So, is strike 1. You haven't said anything.

Strike 2 is absolutely true in my opinion and not meaningless. Strike 1 can be argued though.

[chaard]

Strike 2 is absolutely true in my opinion and not meaningless. Strike 1 can be argued though.

How is McCain wrong for denouncing a televangilist for saying that the Holocaust was God's will. I'd denounce him too. Who are we to say that it's Gods will to wipe out another race. Sounds like anti-semitism to me. Isn't that why the radical muslims hit us on 9-11. Cause it was God's will.

[glennac]

How is McCain wrong for denouncing a televangilist for saying that the Holocaust was God's will. I'd denounce him too. Who are we to say that it's Gods will to wipe out another race. Sounds like anti-semitism to me. Isn't that why the radical muslims hit us on 9-11. Cause it was God's will.

Perhaps I should have left "Strike 1" alone. I of course don't agree that it was "God's will". I have a problem with the "Holocaust" it's self though with the figure of "6 million". I believe that it is an over inflated figure to gain money and sympathy for the state of Israel and the Jews in general and to smear Germans and Germany. This is my opinion and I don't expect many to agree with it and I really don't care to argue the point because I don't expect to convince anyone on this anyhow. I will argue the point about the Muslims however.

[chaard]

Perhaps I should have left "Strike 1" alone. I of course don't agree that it was "God's will". I have a problem with the "Holocaust" it's self though with the figure of "6 million". I believe that it is an over inflated figure to gain money and sympathy for the state of Israel and the Jews in general and to smear Germans and Germany. This is my opinion and I don't expect many to agree with it and I really don't care to argue the point because I don't expect to convince anyone on this anyhow. I will argue the point about the Muslims however.

What does it matter if it was 6 mil,3 mil, or 1mil. It still happened. Playing down the numbers makes it sound like you believe it wasn't that big of a deal. You support Genocide as long as it's only a few people that are murdered? And what's to argue about Muslims. Radical Muslims I mean? It was Genocide as well. They want to kill Americans. What's to argue?

[glennac]

What does it matter if it was 6 mil,3 mil, or 1mil. It still happened. Playing down the numbers makes it sound like you believe it wasn't that big of a deal. You support Genocide as long as it's only a few people that are murdered? And what's to argue about Muslims. Radical Muslims I mean? It was Genocide as well. They want to kill Americans. What's to argue?

Chaard I believe that you took exception to "Strike 2" by calling it "meaningless". Do you now agree with it? I agree with it. I believe in the premise that "Islam" is inherently evil. While individual Muslims may be good people, their religion is evil and the "radical believers" in it are evil. That is my opinion and I will not argue to the contrary.

[chaard]

Chaard I believe that you took exception to "Strike 2" by calling it "meaningless". Do you now agree with it? I agree with it. I believe in the premise that "Islam" is inherently evil. While individual Muslims may be good people, their religion is evil and the "radical believers" in it are evil. That is my opinion and I will not argue to the contrary.

What is meaningless is the fact that Wolfie attempted to put another nail in McCains coffin by implying that McCain was wrong for going against Hagee and the other pastor. There is no story there. Big deal that McCain denounced those guy's. That's what I found meaningless.

[glennac]

What is meaningless is the fact that Wolfie attempted to put another nail in McCains coffin by implying that McCain was wrong for going against Hagee and the other pastor. There is no story there. Big deal that McCain denounced those guy's. That's what I found meaningless.

Agreed chaard, while I don't agree with McCain on most issues I sure don't want to assist in one of the Democrats taking office and the US would have to pay the ultimate price and no longer even resemble the country I grew up in. I have to at least agree a little with Wofe on McCain's bending over backwards to appease the left. It makes me sick. But I will hold my nose and vote for the only one who isn't an avowed Marxist and one who will continue the fight against terrorists.

[coolwhip]

Ever read about The Ernst Zundel Trials?

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html

[everythingair]

Mass killings for the shear reasoning of race is wrong in any number. The so called "Hollocaust" with a capital "H" is basically the best publicized of many holocausts that have occured and so becomes a double edged sword for Jews who want to keep alive the atrocity while at the same time making themselves a target for contraversy. While the 6 million Jews number is all we ever hear of, what about the twelve million or so Russians, 10 million give or take a few Christians and millions of others of racial and/or religious factions who were killed during World War's I and II?

While I am a bit tired of being beaten over the head about how many Jews were executed in World War II, especially when so many others were also killed, we simply cannot just deny that historical atrocities occured. Even when the numbers are inflated for impact purposes, there remains the fact that an atrocity was committed that must not be forgotten lest we continue repeating such atrocities.

While I am firmly against the teachings of Islam that manipulate Muslim's to commit violence against others in the world, I do not at all believe that any Christian leader should be preaching against any other religion. Evangelism is a matter of telling others the Good News of Jesus Christ, not making political statements about other faiths or even bothering to mention other faiths.

[glennac]

Coolwhip I have read about that and a lot more, makes you sick to read about it.

Everything Air, nice post, Has anyone heard about the 8 million or so ethnic Germans that disappeared off the face of the earth in Eastern territories which got overran at the end of WW11. There are books written on it. Most were raped and slaughtered and the few survivors where shipped off to Siberia. Others were starved to death in occupied Western Germany during the first two years after the close of the war. They were also mass rapes in like in Stuttgart by colored troops at the close of the war and well documented. You never hear about that. What about the Armenians in Turkey or the Tibetans. We only here about the Jews in WW11. Oh well I have said my peace. I'll let it rest.

[dna]

Millions of men, women + CHILDREN murdered and that's supposed to be God's will?? I don't think so. That's a God I want nothing to do with.

[bootlen]

Millions of men, women + CHILDREN murdered and that's supposed to be God's will?? I don't think so. That's a God I want nothing to do with.

I don't think that's what he meant, even if he said it that way. God never wants anyone to die. Fact is, death is a violation of God's will. I think what he meant was that God used the evil acts to accomplish His will. You know, sorta turned the table on evil. Nothing wrong with that.

[RoBoTeq]

I don't think that's what he meant, even if he said it that way. God never wants anyone to die. Fact is, death is a violation of God's will. I think what he meant was that God used the evil acts to accomplish His will. You know, sorta turned the table on evil. Nothing wrong with that.
How can death be a violation of God's will when we are all born with the intent of dying?

I understand what you are attempting to get across, but it can hold no argument under mortal rules. We live with the intent to die. We all wind up exactly the same way in this physical realm we call life. Therefore I must conclude that while how we live our mortal lives has a direct determination on how we live out our eternal spiritual existance, I don't think that God puts as much emphasis on our actual mortal death as religions tend to push on us.

[bootlen]

Esasy, Robo. Very easy indeed. Adam and Eve were made to live eternally. They disobeyed God knowing that death would be the outcome. God did not talk them into disobedience...satan did.

Yes. Death is a violation of the will of God. See 2 Peter 3:9.

[The Doctor]

Firstly, God's will is not stopped by the penalty of sin. He made a way for the final snare of death to be overcome--think of it as death trying to snag the garment but those who are found in Christ Jesus are
not subject to the law of sin and death. Therefore, their garments pass through that snare. O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?

Secondly, John McCain is surely going to win this fall. It's going to get ugly as usual, but he will prevail.

Unless the following maxim activates:
When the GOP is stripped of its attractive facade of pro-lifers and fiscal conservatives, it will be seen as nothing more than the ghoulish monstrosity that it is:a collection of warmongers, corporatist hacks, and shills for the redistributionist state.

Other than that, McCain's position on Israel is already in the bag, so it really doesn't matter what he says to the people he'd alienate tomorrow if he could.

[Special Ed]

Deep, deep, DEEP theological discussion going on here & most of you don't even realize it!

Have any of you ever entertained the idea that there just may be two different facets of God's will?

[The Doctor]

Deep, deep, DEEP theological discussion going on here & most of you don't even realize it!

Have any of you ever entertained the idea that there just may be two different facets of God's will?

permissive will vs. perfect will?
Ya mean like McCain can ignore the majority of voters and bring the illegals right on in. Meanwhile, God can use the aliens in two ways. First they are a judgment against the ways of the host country. But more importantly, the aliens can be introduced to the gospel in spite of all the negativity associated with their visit.

[bootlen]

Or as found in Jeremiah. God's permissive will over-rode His perfect will. This is gonna be way over some heads.

[tonys]

sort of like Calculus and your senior year.

[Special Ed]

I can already tell that the Doc has completely taken my post waaaaaaaaaaaay out of context. I actually wasn't even thinking about McCain when I posted earlier.

[bootlen]

Well. Look who's back.

Where ya been, tony? With your peers over at NAMBLA?

[RoBoTeq]

Well. Look who's back.

Where ya been, tony? With your peers over at NAMBLA?
This is really quite a hateful post booty.

When it comes to NAMBLA, tony has no peers:confused:

[The Doctor]

I can already tell that the Doc has completely taken my post waaaaaaaaaaaay out of context. I actually wasn't even thinking about McCain when I posted earlier.

This is a thread called "two more strikes for McCain". Need I say more?

Okay, I will anyway.. :p

McCain is swinging at the third pitch. He better hope that it's pitched right to him.

I'm just ganging up on the man because while I think he'll win, he'll have to do so without my vote.

[air311]

Deep, deep, DEEP theological discussion going on here & most of you don't even realize it!

Have any of you ever entertained the idea that there just may be two different facets of God's will?

Or the idea that you're all so full of BS you're actually making a web site stink.

[sysint]

Ouch. I like it. Nice post.

[Special Ed]

Or the idea that you're all so full of BS you're actually making a web site stink.

It's people like you that make me not want to visit this site anymore. When I first joined people like you weren't allowed.

Oh, well. I guess that's what happens when a big business like CB magazine takes over a perfectly good site.

[bootlen]

It's people like you that make me not want to visit this site anymore. When I first joined people like you weren't allowed.

Oh, well. I guess that's what happens when a big business like CB magazine takes over a perfectly good site.

Ed, I have to take exception to your comment. Things are a lot tighter than they used to be.

And we have been considering air311's post. We try to not interfere but if it continues in this vein, someone will be sanctioned.

Who wants to be first?

[air311]

What is CB magazine? And you're considering my posts for what? Sanctions? Gosh, that would ruin my day. If I agreed with all you far right nuts on here there'd be no problem, right?

[k-fridge]

What is CB magazine? And you're considering my posts for what? Sanctions? Gosh, that would ruin my day. If I agreed with all you far right nuts on here there'd be no problem, right?
Contracting Business. You should read more. :p

You don't have to agree with anyone, differing opinions is what makes it interesting around here. It's your post where you called another poster full of BS that was frowned upon.

[air311]

Contracting Business. You should read more. :p

You don't have to agree with anyone, differing opinions is what makes it interesting around here. It's your post where you called another poster full of BS that was frowned upon.

I didn't say any one person in particular was full of BS..hell, we all are to a point. I've heard of Contracting Business..just didn't click.

[The Doctor]

Here is a funny video about John McCain. It is a take off the O'Bama video of yes we can (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY).

Here is the McCain version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs)

Personally I think McCain's makes a better point. O'Bama's is too schmaltzy, what with the Greenwich Village feel to it. At leat the McCain spoof is intentionally funny.

[everythingair]

Here is a funny video about John McCain. It is a take off the O'Bama video of yes we can (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY).

Here is the McCain version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs)

Personally I think McCain's makes a better point. O'Bama's is too schmaltzy, what with the Greenwich Village feel to it. At leat the McCain spoof is intentionally funny.

Since you feel the need to post this rhetoric in more then one place on this forum, I suppose I need to post my response to your other post of the same information as well;

Please define "hilarious". I did not find myself laughing or even feeling the slightest bit humored while watching that bit of propoganda. Those who feel that the United States does not need to be aggressively imposing ourselves in the Middle East have most likely never been exposed to being threatened by a gang of persons whose only intent was to do them harm. We, as a nation, as an entire world population of persons who do not adhere to the Islamic ways of life, are being threatened by the Islamic gangs of aggressive Muslims worldwide and those gangs can be reinforced by any of the millions of so called "peaceful" Muslims who refuse to denounce what those gangs are doing.

[tonys]

so - what's your point???

[glennac]

so - what's your point???

I knew you would say that. If you can't see the point then you should sue the state where you got you education for not teaching you the basic life skills to function in our society.

[tonys]

I've read (barely) some of your posts...
I'd go easy on any ref. to education - junior.

[glennac]

I've read (barely) some of your posts...
I'd go easy on any ref. to education - junior.

LMAO look who is talking and calling someone "junior".:D:D:D

[The Doctor]

Since you feel the need to post this rhetoric in more then one place on this forum, I suppose I need to post my response to your other post of the same information as well;

Please define "hilarious".Alright already Wordsworth. The cast of the O'Bama video finally did something worthwhile--exposing the lunacy of the modern Republican party. It's about time someone boiled down the message of death that is so-called "conservatism". There, that's why it's hilarious.

Rhetoric? It wasn't exaggerated(sp.) in the least. Those were McCain's words, and he ought to eat them.
I did not find myself laughing or even feeling the slightest bit humored while watching that bit of propoganda.I thought they did a good job at assembling it, and it struck me as some kind of "funny". I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted it, and I had actually forgotten that I had done it previously.
Those who feel that the United States does not need to be aggressively imposing ourselves in the Middle East have most likely never been exposed to being threatened by a gang of persons whose only intent was to do them harm. We, as a nation, as an entire world population of persons who do not adhere to the Islamic ways of life, are being threatened by the Islamic gangs of aggressive Muslims worldwide and those gangs can be reinforced by any of the millions of so called "peaceful" Muslims who refuse to denounce what those gangs are doing.

You lost me on that one. A gang of persons? Alrighty then. But don't mind if I refer to your mentality as "manifest destiny". And yes I do think that imposing "democratic principles" in a heretofore alien region is foolhardy at best. Would you like it if China rolled over here and set up shop? I didn't think so. If any other nation had 730 military bases in 130 foreign countries, you'd be screaming bloody murder that they are imperialists. Why doesn't this apply to the US?

So, while I wouldn't EVER vote for O'Bama OR McCain or HRC, I would advise you to
GET A SENSE OF HUMOR. :p

[air311]

Alright already Wordsworth. The cast of the O'Bama video finally did something worthwhile--exposing the lunacy of the modern Republican party. It's about time someone boiled down the message of death that is so-called "conservatism". There, that's why it's hilarious.

Rhetoric? It wasn't exaggerated(sp.) in the least. Those were McCain's words, and he ought to eat them. I thought they did a good job at assembling it, and it struck me as some kind of "funny". I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted it, and I had actually forgotten that I had done it previously.

You lost me on that one. A gang of persons? Alrighty then. But don't mind if I refer to your mentality as "manifest destiny". And yes I do think that imposing "democratic principles" in a heretofore alien region is foolhardy at best. Would you like it if China rolled over here and set up shop? I didn't think so. If any other nation had 730 military bases in 130 foreign countries, you'd be screaming bloody murder that they are imperialists. Why doesn't this apply to the US?

So, while I wouldn't EVER vote for O'Bama OR McCain or HRC, I would advise you to
GET A SENSE OF HUMOR. :p
You mde a good point. Glennac and others see nothing wrong with imposing the American way of life on the rest of the world. Even if it's imposing our way of life on people who haven't really showed a big willingness to adapt to our way of life. Acoording to them, OUR way should be the way of the entire world, whether they like it or not.

[glennac]

You mde a good point. Glennac and others see nothing wrong with imposing the American way of life on the rest of the world. Even if it's imposing our way of life on people who haven't really showed a big willingness to adapt to our way of life. Acoording to them, OUR way should be the way of the entire world, whether they like it or not.

Well I can't say that I agree entirely with your analysis of my beliefs but I will say that it would be better for all concerned if our ideas were imposed on the rest of the world as opposed to their beliefs being imposed on us, like living under Islamic law.

[whec720]

Alright already Wordsworth. The cast of the O'Bama video finally did something worthwhile--exposing the lunacy of the modern Republican party. It's about time someone boiled down the message of death that is so-called "conservatism". There, that's why it's hilarious.

Rhetoric? It wasn't exaggerated(sp.) in the least. Those were McCain's words, and he ought to eat them. I thought they did a good job at assembling it, and it struck me as some kind of "funny". I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted it, and I had actually forgotten that I had done it previously.

You lost me on that one. A gang of persons? Alrighty then. But don't mind if I refer to your mentality as "manifest destiny". And yes I do think that imposing "democratic principles" in a heretofore alien region is foolhardy at best. Would you like it if China rolled over here and set up shop? I didn't think so. If any other nation had 730 military bases in 130 foreign countries, you'd be screaming bloody murder that they are imperialists. Why doesn't this apply to the US?

So, while I wouldn't EVER vote for O'Bama OR McCain or HRC, I would advise you to
GET A SENSE OF HUMOR. :p

Okay...I'll bite.
In your opinion, who is the lesser of two evils for your perceived imperialism; the United States or Islamic Law? Which do you prefer? Be careful who you "knock down" and who you "prop up". I don't think you even realize it, as you seem to be a decent individual. Not trying to offend you, but just pointing out an observation of mine.

[The Doctor]

There was an implied backup of U.S. technology that translates to overwhelming force. The front is diplomacy. My candidate had me worried because he almost never reiterated that the U.S. military technology/overwhelming force IS what makes diplomacy so easy. Otherwise, he was laughed out of the Republican debates.


Nationalism has become a dirty word it seems. It's the combination of these elements that makes this stab at 10,000 years of war so unsavory. But, there are options... I hope. :eek:

And I fully agree with your statement about who we knock down and prop up. It's not easy, to be sure. And even if you did offend me,( which you did not), maybe I need offending now and again:D
Sorry if these thoughts seem disjointed.
If I had to boil it down, then here it is:
I wish we would use a wartime budget! That may come across a a heave toward the right, but I do think that our military could soon declare a victory of sorts and then address the concern I have (which is the "imperialism"). This is as close as I can come to balancing the need to address Islamic expansion without becoming a world policeman.

Did you watch game three @ Pittsburgh? Man, I hope they play like that again tonight!!! I did see an article yesterday about how Mike Babcock calls and asks Scotty Bowman for advice.
Scotty Bowman is the man!

[The Doctor]

You mde a good point. Glennac and others see nothing wrong with imposing the American way of life on the rest of the world. Even if it's imposing our way of life on people who haven't really showed a big willingness to adapt to our way of life. Acoording to them, OUR way should be the way of the entire world, whether they like it or not.

I don't think they see "nothing wrong with it"...just like he's says...which would you prefer? American or Islamic law? As we see very little outcry by the "moderate" Arabs or Islams, or whatever, the situation is difficult to remedy. If bombing the dogcrap out of a country would make the moderates rise up and put down the radicals so that the bombs would stop, I would do it in a NY minute. But that's just me:rolleyes: It doesn't seem like the moderates have risen up and squelched the radicals yet though. :confused:

And it's obvious if you look at Europe that Muslims are expanding, even if by the default of having a LOT of children. So it's not something that will just go away.

The Muslims need to recognize that they can take their hijabs and their burkas, and spin around on some beach SOMEWHERE ELSE with them. But occupying the Middle East without going on a wartime budget is my issue with this. Nobody said it was going to be easy.

[whec720]

There was an implied backup of U.S. technology that translates to overwhelming force. The front is diplomacy. My candidate had me worried because he almost never reiterated that the U.S. military technology/overwhelming force IS what makes diplomacy so easy. Otherwise, he was laughed out of the Republican debates.


Nationalism has become a dirty word it seems. It's the combination of these elements that makes this stab at 10,000 years of war so unsavory. But, there are options... I hope. :eek:

And I fully agree with your statement about who we knock down and prop up. It's not easy, to be sure. And even if you did offend me,( which you did not), maybe I need offending now and again:D
Sorry if these thoughts seem disjointed.
If I had to boil it down, then here it is:
I wish we would use a wartime budget! That may come across a a heave toward the right, but I do think that our military could soon declare a victory of sorts and then address the concern I have (which is the "imperialism"). This is as close as I can come to balancing the need to address Islamic expansion without becoming a world policeman.

Did you watch game three @ Pittsburgh? Man, I hope they play like that again tonight!!! I did see an article yesterday about how Mike Babcock calls and asks Scotty Bowman for advice.
Scotty Bowman is the man!

You make some good points, especially the war time budget. Our cowardly Congress has not passed a Declaration Of War since WWII and it shows! Never mind that silly ducument , the US Constitution.:rolleyes:
However, we disagree on the US being imperialistic. We are not governing Iraq, South Korea, Germany, Bosnia, ect., as territories. We are not the British Empire of the 19th century, that you paint us to be.

[whec720]

Oh yeah....haven't watched the Cup. However, it looks as though it may be the Wings year....AGAIN. Scotty is The Man!!:D