Mastercool Digital Manifold/Analyzer

[alexw]

Who has tried the new Mastercool HVAC Digital manifold? :confused:

What are your feelings about it after using it for X time? :confused:

Is it worth the money? :confused:

Will it last if you don't abuse it? :confused:

[icehouse]

Who has tried the new Mastercool HVAC Digital manifold? :confused:

What are your feelings about it after using it for X time? :confused:

Is it worth the money? :confused:

Will it last if you don't abuse it? :confused:
Before spending on that, go with one of the proven. http://www.yellowjacket.com/HVACRProducts.asp?t=HVACR&l=5&c=33&p=310 JMHO :)

[Redsheanazar]

The company that makes the digital yellowjacket puts the same gauge out for about 100.00 less than yellowjacket. I'll do some research and find out who makes the gauges for yellowjacket. I saw it a while back, but can't remember.

T

[icehouse]

[QUOTE=Redsheanazar;1844483]The company that makes the digital yellowjacket puts the same gauge out for about 100.00 less than yellowjacket. I'll do some research and find out who makes the gauges for yellowjacket. I saw it a while back, but can't remember. :) That would be Doug Lockhardt a member here. http://www.digi-cool.com/

[behappy]

The company that makes the digital yellowjacket puts the same gauge out for about 100.00 less than yellowjacket. I'll do some research and find out who makes the gauges for yellowjacket. I saw it a while back, but can't remember.

T

Digi-Cool. And they are coming out with a lesser expensive model.
Of what I have seen, I would stay away from Master Cool. Money better spent is for DG, YJ or Testo. IMHO

[beachtech]

The company that makes the digital yellowjacket puts the same gauge out for about 100.00 less than yellowjacket. I'll do some research and find out who makes the gauges for yellowjacket. I saw it a while back, but can't remember.

T

that co. would be digi cool, and they are making lsser (cheaper) gauges and better (more expensive) gauges than the YJ's. the YJ set is kinda middle of the road, and i have a set and love them. i am pretty sure that i wouldn't buy anything lesser than the YJ set that i currently have :) and just beware of the first generation testo's. they have had some trouble with the gauges sealing internally. but all that is gone with the second generation testo's :)

[servicef1rst]

that co. would be digi cool, and they are making lsser (cheaper) gauges and better (more expensive) gauges than the YJ's. the YJ set is kinda middle of the road, and i have a set and love them. i am pretty sure that i wouldn't buy anything lesser than the YJ set that i currently have :) and just beware of the first generation testo's. they have had some trouble with the gauges sealing internally. but all that is gone with the second generation testo's :)

Unfortunately your characterization of the less expensive Digi-Cools, which incidentally will be the DRSA 1600 as being "cheaper" is inaccurate. The only exclusions that will differentiate the 1600 from the 1200 are the elimination of the selectable 1 to 5 second/Hold option and the high and low pressure reading retention capabilities. Two features that alot of tech's and probably in particular entry level tech's would not utilize anyway. Aside from that the powerhead was left unrevised, it's pure Digi-Cool.

The recall of the second generation 523-v.2 was to address potential refrigerant loss at the hose ports, I am not personally aware of any of the version 2.00 523's [first attached image] that were actually found to be leaking. The second generation 523 v.2.01[second attached image] added a protective skirt around the hose ports and is very easy to differentiate from version 2.00. A later revision to the second generation 523 in the form of a firmware flash, to address update rates resulted in the designation of a version 2.02 - if you're interested the result of that free flash upgrade can be seen in this clip: http://digitalzeus.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/testo%c2%ae-523-firmware-update/

[behappy]

Unfortunately your characterization of the less expensive Digi-Cools, which incidentally will be the DRSA 1600 as being "cheaper" is inaccurate. The only exclusions that will differentiate the 1600 from the 1200 are the elimination of the selectable 1 to 5 second/Hold option and the high and low pressure reading retention capabilities. Two features that alot of tech's and probably in particular entry level tech's would not utilize anyway. Aside from that the powerhead was left unrevised, it's pure Digi-Cool.

The recall of the second generation 523-v.2 was to address potential refrigerant loss at the hose ports, I am not personally aware of any of the version 2.00 523's [first attached image] that were actually found to be leaking. The second generation 523 v.2.01[second attached image] added a protective skirt around the hose ports and is very easy to differentiate from version 2.00. A later revision to the second generation 523 in the form of a firmware flash, to address update rates resulted in the designation of a version 2.02 - if you're interested the result of that free flash upgrade can be seen in this clip: http://digitalzeus.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/testo%c2%ae-523-firmware-update/


100% agree!
After usuing Digital gauges there is no going back. If a tech is going to stay in this field, I would save your money for a "good" set. It is money well spent.

[beachtech]

Unfortunately your characterization of the less expensive Digi-Cools, which incidentally will be the DRSA 1600 as being "cheaper" is inaccurate. The only exclusions that will differentiate the 1600 from the 1200 are the elimination of the selectable 1 to 5 second/Hold option and the high and low pressure reading retention capabilities. Two features that alot of tech's and probably in particular entry level tech's would not utilize anyway. Aside from that the powerhead was left unrevised, it's pure Digi-Cool.

The recall of the second generation 523-v.2 was to address potential refrigerant loss at the hose ports, I am not personally aware of any of the version 2.00 523's [first attached image] that were actually found to be leaking. The second generation 523 v.2.01[second attached image] added a protective skirt around the hose ports and is very easy to differentiate from version 2.00. A later revision to the second generation 523 in the form of a firmware flash, to address update rates resulted in the designation of a version 2.02 - if you're interested the result of that free flash upgrade can be seen in this clip: http://digitalzeus.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/testo%c2%ae-523-firmware-update/

i don't mean to say the lesserexpensive ones are inaccurate at all!! i have the YJ set myself and they are awesome!!! i am looking into getting a second set for back-up use :)

[bustawrench1]

Who has tried the new Mastercool HVAC Digital manifold? :confused:

What are your feelings about it after using it for X time? :confused:

Is it worth the money? :confused:

Will it last if you don't abuse it? :confused:

I've never seen a Master Cool anything that was "worth the money"..........................jmho

[turtletyme]

I have several mastercool tools and will have to agree that lately products do lack in quality and customer service has become nonexistent.personally have a set of analog gauges that leak on a regular basis if I don't keep the orings lubed.

[weber]

Alex haven't you posted similar threads about this product?

Don't you have a special interest in this product?

[weber]

I think before it was the stargate something.......

Are you just in the market for a set of digitals and cannot make up your mind?

[alexw]

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Weber . . .

I am looking into all of the digital manifolds/analyzers I can. Seems there is a wide range of opinions regarding them. I wish there were a "Consumers Union" type of organization which would help us evaluate test equipment.

I'm looking for the digital manifold/analyzer which will permit me to most efficiently perform charge checks according to the procedure developed for California's Title 24 program.

Appendix RD – Procedures for Determining Refrigerant
Charge for Split System Space Cooling Systems without
Thermostatic Expansion Valves

http://www.energy.ca.gov/title24/2005standards/residential_acm/2005_RES_ACM_APP_RD.PDF

You seem to get very involved with test equipment. What is your current opinion regarding the best digital manifold/analyzer? :cool: :)



Alex haven't you posted similar threads about this product?

Don't you have a special interest in this product?

I think before it was the stargate something.......

Are you just in the market for a set of digitals and cannot make up your mind?

[weber]

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Weber . . .

I am looking into all of the digital manifolds/analyzers I can. Seems there is a wide range of opinions regarding them. I wish there were a "Consumers Union" type of organization which would help us evaluate test equipment.

I'm looking for the digital manifold/analyzer which will permit me to most efficiently perform charge checks according to the procedure developed for California's Title 24 program.

You seem to get very involved with test equipment. What is your current opinion regarding the best digital manifold/analyzer? :cool: :)

Being that I know all about ca programs, and yes I'm very involoved in testing equipment and instruments in the field, I would be happy to give you my opinion.

As of right now, there are only two manufactures I would recommend to a fellow tech who is trying to improve the service they provide.

Digi-Cool and Testo!

Depending on what you are working on and what you are used to using in the field makes a difference in which one would be optimal for you.

[alexw]

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Weber . . .

Does either Digi-Cool or Testo use standard type K thermocouples and plugs so any type K thermocouple clamp (i.e. Fluke) can be easily used with their manifolds/analyzers?

For many years and up to now I have not charge checked or typically worked on more that 3 to 4 machines a day. This summer I expect to be working on twice that or 6 to 8 machines a day.

I've been using the simple three hose Robinaire and other manifolds for years with R-22 machines. Then when I started working on R-410A machines a few years ago I started using 4-hose, 4-valve manifolds like the Yellow Jacket Brute with extruded aluminum body.

The forth valve and hose feature is extra baggage unless you are doing a vacuum job on the system, then that feature is great.

I'd really like to know of someone who has used the Testo radio transmitting thermometers. I'd really love to be able to put the radio transmitting temp device in the air handler/furnace R/A and S/A to send wet and dry bulb temps to me while I'm working at the condenser. Have you seen or tried these? :cool:


Being that I know all about ca programs, and yes I'm very involoved in testing equipment and instruments in the field, I would be happy to give you my opinion.

As of right now, there are only two manufactures I would recommend to a fellow tech who is trying to improve the service they provide.

Digi-Cool and Testo!

Depending on what you are working on and what you are used to using in the field makes a difference in which one would be optimal for you.

[weber]

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Weber . . .

Does either Digi-Cool or Testo use standard type K thermocouples and plugs so any type K thermocouple clamp (i.e. Fluke) can be easily used with their manifolds/analyzers?

For many years and up to now I have not charge checked or typically worked on more that 3 to 4 machines a day. This summer I expect to be working on twice that or 6 to 8 machines a day.

I've been using the simple three hose Robinaire and other manifolds for years with R-22 machines. Then when I started working on R-410A machines a few years ago I started using 4-hose, 4-valve manifolds like the Yellow Jacket Brute with extruded aluminum body.

The forth valve and hose feature is extra baggage unless you are doing a vacuum job on the system, then that feature is great.

I'd really like to know of someone who has used the Testo radio transmitting thermometers. I'd really love to be able to put the radio transmitting temp device in the air handler/furnace R/A and S/A to send wet and dry bulb temps to me while I'm working at the condenser. Have you seen or tried these? :cool:

As far as field friendly, the digi-cool takes the cake.

But recently I have been using my testos more and more in the field.

No digitals can use a K-type due to electrostatic from the refrigerant.

I use the wireless probes on a daily basis, with good results. The batteries need to be high quality and at full potential, to achive the best wireless distance.

I personal perfer a 3 or 4 valve manifold, and think even the testo 523 should have came with it.

My biggest problems with the testos are the german usages and the reaction speed of the meter.

Digi-Cool should be coming out with their new model here very soon, I will most likely be picking up a set of those to give you an honest review about it.

[Profiler]

Id say your best bet would be to wait until next month (June) when Digi-Cool releases the new DRSA-1250 analyzer which comes with two temperature inputs and two clamp type thermocouples. Im pretty sure they are the same price as the 1200's.

Shook manufacturing told me to expect the release of the 1250's mid to late june 08.

[Just4funpb]

JUNK, JUNK, and TOTAL JUNK!!!!!!!!!!! Have a set of these. Was starting some units at an apartment complex came a little shower rain and messed them up it would read 1700 psi on low side and 2700 on high side with nothing hooked up. sent them back to Mastercool took 2 months to return. 1 month later have them hooked up to a r410 heatpump and highside reading goes to zero. recalibrate them and still zero. Highside sensor no longer works. Why would anyone make a test tool that you use outside 99.9% of the time that is NOT water resistant. I can understand not being able to put them underwater but a shower rain? Absolutely stupid!!!!!! Have Had a set of YellowJacket Gauges hanging in the van for the last year and a half. TOtally dependable!!!!! I will never buy MasterCool again. Yellow jacket is moisture resistant and shock resistant. Threw the Mastercools in the floorboard and have been kicking them every time I get near them. Do not buy these as factory repair is very slow and will lie to you bout when they will ship back. Digicool has one awesome tech help line, every time I have emailed Digicool I have gotten a return phonecall within the hour and once on the weekend.

[kerreckt]

I been using the Mastercool 99772 for about 6 months and love them. I have had no problems with them. I do mostly restaurant work no HVAC but plenty of WIB and reach in boxes. As far as being waterproof I have gotten rained on and had no problems. They didn't get soaked but got wet. Love the vacuum sensor and the thermocouple makes taking SH and SC readings about as easy as it gets. Based on my experience I would recommend.To each his own.

[alexw]

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Kerreckt . . .

Unlike you I did have a problem with one of the two Mastercool digital manifolds I purchased this last summer.

Upon sending the message below to Mastercool tech support they immediately issued an RMA. I sent the manifold for service/replacement on October 1 but do not have it back yet.

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Yesterday (it was in mid September) when using the manifold on an R-22 machine I noticed that after it was left unattended for a few minutes the high side hose connection at the manifold was leaking enough to have frosted up. Since then the manifold will not read any pressure on the high side. A white residue was left on the black manifold case without any indication of oil being present.

The manifold was purchased earlier during the summer of 2008.
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I been using the Mastercool 99772 for about 6 months and love them. I have had no problems with them. I do mostly restaurant work no HVAC but plenty of WIB and reach in boxes. As far as being waterproof I have gotten rained on and had no problems. They didn't get soaked but got wet. Love the vacuum sensor and the thermocouple makes taking SH and SC readings about as easy as it gets. Based on my experience I would recommend.To each his own.

[kerreckt]

I hope my good experience with them continues. After reading about the bad experiences I won't be able to look at them the same way again. I will just be thankful for every day of good service they give me and hope I don't have to send them for service.....hope you get yours back in good working order and that they don't give you anymore problems.

[clintkennon]

you lost me when you said "if you dont abuse them". I cant have anything nice.

[JBM1000]

After going through the second set of DM-2's just because of dew collecting and or water dripping down the metal hanger stem, I have made a decision to move over to Doug's 1250 model with either stock sensors or order optional clamps.

I have to now put a zip lock baggie over the head to protect against dew or water killing the unit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They did however show highly accurate readings if one calibrates to zero psi as instructed.


9760

[Redsheanazar]

After going through the second set of DM-2's just because of dew collecting and or water dripping down the metal hanger stem, I have made a decision to move over to Doug's 1250 model with either stock sensors or order optional clamps.

I have to now put a zip lock baggie over the head to protect against dew or water killing the unit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They did however show highly accurate readings if one calibrates to zero psi as instructed.


9760

I've had to send 2 of the DM-2's back and will not buy another. They both have failed. The first set stuck on 700 psi and I could do nothing to fix it. The second set would not read anything. :(

[Just4funpb]

I sometimes start 40 ac's a day here in springfield. We install a lot of ac's in apartments. When I am starting 6 units at a time, I need gauges that are very reliable and dependable. When the 99772 quit the first time it was not a rain storm but a very light shower, just enough to settle the dust. The next time I was on a emergeceny call late at night and the high side sensor failed and does not read any pressure. If I cannot hang them in the back of the van with my Digicools and I must "baby" them. then it is a piece of junk!!!! If I pay $500 plus for a set of gauges then I expect for them to be able to take abuse. This is a piece of equipment that is 99.9% of the time used outdoors. I am not into having a gadget that the only reason I bought it was to show off to my heating and air friends. I make a living with my mind and tools and if that tool does not live up to standards then it is a PIECE OF JUNK!!! Digicools have been hanging in the van for the last year and a half. Digicools are made to military specs. I have seen pics of digicools dropped 2 stories and run over by a truck and still worked. Mastercool service may reply quickly but I kept hearing that "oh sorry but we will ship them today" for three weeks after the unit had been there for 6 weeks. There is a reason Mastercool provides you a case for them, they expect you to use them under ideal conditions and once in a while, not hang on the rack like your other gauges. It will be the last time I buy a Mastercool anything!!!


I been using the Mastercool 99772 for about 6 months and love them. I have had no problems with them. I do mostly restaurant work no HVAC but plenty of WIB and reach in boxes. As far as being waterproof I have gotten rained on and had no problems. They didn't get soaked but got wet. Love the vacuum sensor and the thermocouple makes taking SH and SC readings about as easy as it gets. Based on my experience I would recommend.To each his own.

[beachtech]

if you paid 500 plus for those mastercools, its no wonder you call'em junk. you paid entirely too much money for them lol

they usually go for 320-350 @ at local supply house.

but i wouldn't buy them even at 245, i have seen them for that little :)

[alexw]

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Just For Fun . . .

I may be repeating your Mastercool digital manifold experience. :mad:

As in a previous messsage in this thread I did the RMA thing and they sent me a new manifold after a month and after an address mix up at their end.

When I tuned on the replacement manifold there were problems. Here is the word I got from Mastercool tech . . .

"Alex
Send it back it has a bad key pad along with bad connection wire."

So here we go again. I'm asking them to test the manifold they send me the second time so I don't continue to be their testing department.





I sometimes start 40 ac's a day here in springfield. We install a lot of ac's in apartments. When I am starting 6 units at a time, I need gauges that are very reliable and dependable. When the 99772 quit the first time it was not a rain storm but a very light shower, just enough to settle the dust. The next time I was on a emergeceny call late at night and the high side sensor failed and does not read any pressure. If I cannot hang them in the back of the van with my Digicools and I must "baby" them. then it is a piece of junk!!!! If I pay $500 plus for a set of gauges then I expect for them to be able to take abuse. This is a piece of equipment that is 99.9% of the time used outdoors. I am not into having a gadget that the only reason I bought it was to show off to my heating and air friends. I make a living with my mind and tools and if that tool does not live up to standards then it is a PIECE OF JUNK!!! Digicools have been hanging in the van for the last year and a half. Digicools are made to military specs. I have seen pics of digicools dropped 2 stories and run over by a truck and still worked. Mastercool service may reply quickly but I kept hearing that "oh sorry but we will ship them today" for three weeks after the unit had been there for 6 weeks. There is a reason Mastercool provides you a case for them, they expect you to use them under ideal conditions and once in a while, not hang on the rack like your other gauges. It will be the last time I buy a Mastercool anything!!!

[kerreckt]

I do keep my Mastercools in the carrying case that was provided but that is true of all my tools that have cases it's just easier for me to stay organized that way. I use mine everyday and it sounds like I'm the only one out there that has any success with them and likes them. I paid about $300 and so far that has been money well spent.....good luck to the rest of you. I have checked them against my YJ analogs and they both get the same readings. Same with the micron coupling checked it against the CPS 200 I have and the readings do agree......I'm just a lucky guy I guess.

[Plates5]

I purchased a set of the Mastercools this spring and used them through the seasonn and did not expeince any problems. although I coved them when using them in the rain. They seem to have been a good purchase and accuracy is good. I have them hanging along with the analogs in the van with out problems. I want to move up to Digi-cools. But these have worked on a budget. From what OP have written I must be lucky with them.

[beckmech]

Mastercool Tester/User here as well... I just sent out for my sixth one because the previous 5 all had various issues. Vacuum readings, High Side not reading, Low Side not reading. This last one was good for a while, and now it will not even turn on. So, I'm getting my last one and will continue to trade them in until the warranty is up, and then wait for the new Yellow Jacket I heard about in September to come out. If I were me again, I would stay clear from this product. It is cheap though.

[alexw]

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BeckMech . . .

Go here for a well thought of digital gauge set. The 1250 is what I'll be purchasing for our 2009 A/C season. http://digi-cool.com/

You might also do a search here on HVAC-Talk as there are several threads on the subject of digital manifolds including the DigiCool. :)


Mastercool Tester/User here as well... I just sent out for my sixth one because the previous 5 all had various issues. Vacuum readings, High Side not reading, Low Side not reading. This last one was good for a while, and now it will not even turn on. So, I'm getting my last one and will continue to trade them in until the warranty is up, and then wait for the new Yellow Jacket I heard about in September to come out. If I were me again, I would stay clear from this product. It is cheap though.

[beachtech]

well look who is promoting digi cools :D:D:D

lol

where's iceman at???

[KLEINman]

HOLY S#$%:eek: those things are a lil pricy lol

[alexw]

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Hi . . . KLEINman . . .

I just bought a pair of KLEIN offset snips and I really like them . . . good stuff. :)

Are you an expert refrigerant leak finder? I'm looking for all the help and tips I can get as I have trouble finding leaks. It seems to be very time consuming.

What is/are your favorite leak detectors? :)

What techniques to you use to find leaks, even small ones, fast? :)








HOLY S#$%:eek: those things are a lil pricy lol

[itsiceman]

What techniques to you use to find leaks, even small ones, fast? :)

A bright bright flash light always helps me

and it is always time consuming if you're doing a good job ;)

[KLEINman]

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Hi . . . KLEINman . . .

I just bought a pair of KLEIN offset snips and I really like them . . . good stuff. :)

Are you an expert refrigerant leak finder? I'm looking for all the help and tips I can get as I have trouble finding leaks. It seems to be very time consuming.

What is/are your favorite leak detectors? :)

What techniques to you use to find leaks, even small ones, fast? :)

Nice purchase, i will be getiing some soon too. As for checking leaks i am in no way an expert, but i would recommend either this leak detector, ive used this in work with really good results.http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?M=INFICON&ID=1449775&ref=GB

Or i just use the old standby, soap bubbles lol.:D

IMO i will never use dye, i believe that it is not good at all for the compressor or the system, a guy that used to work for us loved the stuff, every sight glass was green that he worked on lol.

[alexw]

KLEINman . . .

Yes! . . . I've heard good things about the Inficon leak finder. :)

You might find these documents of interest re: Leak finding . . .


http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/458200/Leak%20Finding/Methods%20of%20Refrigerant%20Leak...pdf

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/458200/Leak%20Finding/LeakDetectionManual_Big%20Blue.pdf


Let me know if you can't see the above files as I'm pretty new at using getdropbox.com :eek:

:)









Nice purchase, i will be getiing some soon too. As for checking leaks i am in no way an expert, but i would recommend either this leak detector, ive used this in work with really good results.http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?M=INFICON&ID=1449775&ref=GB

Or i just use the old standby, soap bubbles lol.:D

IMO i will never use dye, i believe that it is not good at all for the compressor or the system, a guy that used to work for us loved the stuff, every sight glass was green that he worked on lol.

[KLEINman]

KLEINman . . .

Yes! . . . I've heard good things about the Inficon leak finder. :)

You might find these documents of interest re: Leak finding . . .

https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/PDF%20files/Leak%20Finding/Methods%20of%20Refrigerant%20Leak...pdf?w=8a24337f

https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/PDF%20files/Leak%20Finding/LeakDetectionManual_Big%20Blue.pdf?w=5dfcac3d

Let me know if you can't see the above files as I'm pretty new at using getdropbox.com :eek:

:)

I cant view it, send me a pm with the info, dont wanna get off topic on the thread.

[beachtech]

I cant view it, send me a pm with the info, dont wanna get off topic on the thread.

well, it's his thread and he changed the subject... so ramble on :D

the d-tek select is my weapon of choice :)

iceman brings up a very good point, a good flashlight can help you find those oily spots real easily as well :)

[KLEINman]

well, it's his thread and he changed the subject... so ramble on :D

the d-tek select is my weapon of choice :)

iceman brings up a very good point, a good flashlight can help you find those oily spots real easily as well :)

LOL, oops failed to see that. Ive been told about for that before, i believe the person had beach in their name:p:D

[beachtech]

LOL, oops failed to see that. Ive been told about for that before, i believe the person had beach in their name:p:D

yup, it was me, but it wasn't the OP that changed the topic :)

i just try to respect peoples threads if i can. sometimes after the OP has gotten his answer and the thread side tracks, i will continue instead of making a useless thread about shop talk :)

[KLEINman]

yup, it was me, but it wasn't the OP that changed the topic :)

i just try to respect peoples threads if i can. sometimes after the OP has gotten his answer and the thread side tracks, i will continue instead of making a useless thread about shop talk :)

LOL, i hear ya, just bustin balls:)

[tgauger]

I'm looking for advice...been reading the threads regarding manifolds. I can totally relate to the problems with Digi-Cool units. What are the three (3) primary specifications to evaluate when looking to purchase. I am looking to purchase 8-10 new manifolds for my crews and have not had tremendous success with anything recently.

My crews, like most, work outdoors 98% of the time, are tough on equipment (accidental drops, wet, stored in truck storage boxes, hang in the van, etc)...nothing out of the ordinary.

What specs should I pay most attention to and what units do you suggest and why?

[KLEINman]

I'm looking for advice...been reading the threads regarding manifolds. I can totally relate to the problems with Digi-Cool units. What are the three (3) primary specifications to evaluate when looking to purchase. I am looking to purchase 8-10 new manifolds for my crews and have not had tremendous success with anything recently.

My crews, like most, work outdoors 98% of the time, are tough on equipment (accidental drops, wet, stored in truck storage boxes, hang in the van, etc)...nothing out of the ordinary.

What specs should I pay most attention to and what units do you suggest and why?

Idk if you are lookin for difital or analog, but imo its personal preference. I like a good set of two port gauges, i have a set of JB and love them. As for 4ports, i would buy the imperials, they are made well, i plan on purchasing a set in the next couple weeks. Yellow jacket is not bad either, the four port Brute 2 is heavy, but the titan is nice. I aslo have a set of NRP two ports. Ive used a lot of diff company gauges, it just all depends on the feel. Imo i could not bring myself to spend almost a grand on a set of gauges, but they are nice to have.

[Pascone10]

the 1600 dont have the button to change the update speed from 1 to 5 secs...

what is the default for these?

[tgauger]

Frankly...looking at digitals (the guys find them easier to read) as well as analog units.

Digital units seem to be a bit fragile for most environs...and I find most all anaologs are created equal unless someone can tell me differently.

[itsiceman]

the 1600 dont have the button to change the update speed from 1 to 5 secs...

what is the default for these?1 second numbers and bar graph is 0.25 second

[itsiceman]

Frankly...looking at digitals (the guys find them easier to read) as well as analog units.

Digital units seem to be a bit fragile for most environs...and I find most all anaologs are created equal unless someone can tell me differently.A Good Digital set is tougher in any environment :)

[fcs]

The Digi-Cool is about the best all round and they and get soaking and take a beating. I drop mine on the Concert from about 3 ft and not a scratch.

I never tried the Matercool but have'nt heard much good about them

[beachtech]

I'm looking for advice...been reading the threads regarding manifolds. I can totally relate to the problems with Digi-Cool units. What are the three (3) primary specifications to evaluate when looking to purchase. I am looking to purchase 8-10 new manifolds for my crews and have not had tremendous success with anything recently.

My crews, like most, work outdoors 98% of the time, are tough on equipment (accidental drops, wet, stored in truck storage boxes, hang in the van, etc)...nothing out of the ordinary.

What specs should I pay most attention to and what units do you suggest and why?

there aren't any problems with the digi-cool gauges :)

well, price if that's a problem. i paid for mine and am getting ready to pay again because they're that great.

[a\c don]

This is my latest rig.
1600 with a blue boot mounted on an Imperial 600 series manifold.

[Pascone10]

This is my latest rig.
1600 with a blue boot mounted on an Imperial 600 series manifold.

i love imperial gauge manifolds!
how do you like the 1600's? im looking maybe into these..

what are the differences?
do they do dual temp liek the 1250's??:confused:

i know you cant hold or set it to 5 secs display interval. i thought i remember reading that there was something else different.

i wonder if its better to spend the extra dough and get the 1250's.
if the only difference is the display time im all about the 1600's!

btw. what did you pay for them? from where? if you dont mind:p

[beachtech]

i love imperial gauge manifolds!
how do you like the 1600's? im looking maybe into these..

what are the differences?
do they do dual temp liek the 1250's??:confused:

i know you cant hold or set it to 5 secs display interval. i thought i remember reading that there was something else different.

i wonder if its better to spend the extra dough and get the 1250's.
if the only difference is the display time im all about the 1600's!

btw. what did you pay for them? from where? if you dont mind:p

i dunno. what is the difference???

lets take a look see :p

http://digi-cool.com/

[beachtech]

it appears to me that its just as easy as watching the video :p

the 1600 doesn't have a backlight, it doesn't do the 1sec,5sec, and hold feature. so it's pretty much a bare bones digital gauge set. i bet, that if you want one day you can get the 199 kit to make it equal the 1250's :)

[Pascone10]

it appears to me that its just as easy as watching the video :p

the 1600 doesn't have a backlight, it doesn't do the 1sec,5sec, and hold feature. so it's pretty much a bare bones digital gauge set. i bet, that if you want one day you can get the 199 kit to make it equal the 1250's :)

back light would be nice..
what do you use the 1sec, 5 sec. hold button for. i cant really see the big advantage to this...

im looking at the link now. did you see if it has dual temp capabilities.

[Pascone10]

waiting for the you tube video to load.

its title is drsa 1200.
does that cover the 1600's as well or am i looking in the wrong place?

[beachtech]

back light would be nice..
what do you use the 1sec, 5 sec. hold button for. i cant really see the big advantage to this...

im looking at the link now. did you see if it has dual temp capabilities.

from what i see it only does single temp

i keep mine on 1sec intervals, but that's only the display the bar graph on mine still moves as frequently as the pressures are moving up and down.

sometimes i use the hold function to help me remember the pressures, like the other day i ran a unit, held pressures, and then clean the coils and restarted to see the difference i made :)

[a\c don]

The 1600 is basically a 1200 with a 1 second refresh rate, the bar graph is still refreshed 4 times per second. Also the 1600 has no memory.
Other than those 2 things it is the same as the 1200.
I do 95% resi so the features that this analyzer provides are quite adequate for my needs.
The whole rig with the DRSA, manifold and hoses finished up at $605.

[beachtech]

i recently quit doing resi work, and in my area this time of year, a backlight is a very needed accessory :)

and now that i am into refrigeration, dimly light indoor conditions prove me that i need a backlight even more :)

[fcs]

I do believe the 1250 is the only one with dual temp.

I would say I you can afford it go with the 1250 Trust me you'll be more then happy.

If you have question Doug Lockhart the inventor and owner I a member of HVAC-talk and can answer your question. He alway a help

[beachtech]

I do believe the 1250 is the only one with dual temp.

I would say I you can afford it go with the 1250 Trust me you'll be more then happy.

If you have question Doug Lockhart the inventor and owner I a member of HVAC-talk and can answer your question. He alway a help

yup its the only one that has it all lol

and you're lucky cause you have an ACR supply in your area. they are a digi-cool dealer

[Pascone10]

i recently quit doing resi work, and in my area this time of year, a backlight is a very needed accessory :)

and now that i am into refrigeration, dimly light indoor conditions prove me that i need a backlight even more :)

i sent you a PM beach

[Pascone10]

I do believe the 1250 is the only one with dual temp.

I would say I you can afford it go with the 1250 Trust me you'll be more then happy.

If you have question Doug Lockhart the inventor and owner I a member of HVAC-talk and can answer your question. He alway a help

i dnno why i even asked that question lol... im not at all cheap when it comes to tools but was just curious. thanks for the explanation..

[fcs]

yup its the only one that has it all lol

and you're lucky cause you have an ACR supply in your area. they are a digi-cool dealer

Yup, and the Raliegh ACR is great Ralph is the Manger there and Runs a great store.

[beachtech]

Yup, and the Raliegh ACR is great Ralph is the Manger there and Runs a great store.

i am so jelous!!!

you and chrl brann!!! :mad:

i wish they would set up shop down here!!! heck the owner has a house @ carolina beach. been there to work on the upstairs unit. was working for a crappy Co. unfortunately. they made me charge him for a leak search when i couldn't find a leak at that time :( :mad:

[KLEINman]

What is the normal pricing for these things?? ive seen from 500 to 1000, and what are some good reasons to switch to these digital manifolds? I do commercial, dunno if the benis are any diff than resi.

[Pascone10]

What is the normal pricing for these things?? ive seen from 500 to 1000, and what are some good reasons to switch to these digital manifolds? I do commercial, dunno if the benis are any diff than resi.

go on trutechtools.com
theres your pricing....

[beachtech]

What is the normal pricing for these things?? ive seen from 500 to 1000, and what are some good reasons to switch to these digital manifolds? I do commercial, dunno if the benis are any diff than resi.

the bennies are the same. more accuracy, faster readings, and less time calibrating.

go to the site i posted and you'll get a idea about cost :)

[KLEINman]

Dang, i just cant see spending that much for a set of gauges, although i thought my buddy was crazy for buyin a veto. Ate my words on that, and my recent change to fluke, i said i wouldnt do either lol, so i might have a change of heart.

[Pascone10]

Dang, i just cant see spending that much for a set of gauges, although i thought my buddy was crazy for buyin a veto. Ate my words on that, and my recent change to fluke, i said i wouldnt do either lol, so i might have a change of heart.

LMAO
im still justifying the digital's as well lol. we'll see.

[fcs]

LMAO
im still justifying the digital's as well lol. we'll see.

Believe me I wasn't to sure but I'm thinking of buying a 2nd set (the 1250's) the problem is when you get them you hate using the analog.

For 1 it make spotting TXV issues quick and easy.

SH SC and PSIG easy at a glance

When flowing N2 you and set in down to 1 0r 2 PSIG.

And they don't get knock out of calibration.

[KLEINman]

LMAO
im still justifying the digital's as well lol. we'll see.

Well you buy them first and i will see if i like em, thats what normally happens lol, so how about that name change ROTFLMAO:p

[tarheel_tech]

Yup, and the Raliegh ACR is great Ralph is the Manger there and Runs a great store.

He is called little Ralph in G-ville, his dad ran a refrigeration buisness here for many years.I have known him for a good 15 years and he runs a first class parts house wherever he goes.The manager down here(Tom) was his manager when they worked at the CC Dickson here.Both of them are sharp managers and run great branches.Eat your heart out Beachy:p

[beachtech]

He is called little Ralph in G-ville, his dad ran a refrigeration buisness here for many years.I have known him for a good 15 years and he runs a first class parts house wherever he goes.The manager down here(Tom) was his manager when they worked at the CC Dickson here.Both of them are sharp managers and run great branches.Eat your heart out Beachy:p

yea yea :p back at ya :p

dare i need to take it a step further...

least i got the better scenery :p :p :p lol :D:D:D

[tarheel_tech]

yea yea :p back at ya :p

dare i need to take it a step further...

least i got the better scenery :p :p :p lol :D:D:D

that was just wrong bro:(:( LOL

[beachtech]

that was just wrong bro:(:( LOL

i gotta fight back with something :)

i wish just one of these supply house's round here would get thier act together and step up to the format and operation of an ACR store :mad: :(

[itsiceman]

This is my latest rig.
1600 with a blue boot mounted on an Imperial 600 series manifold.

Don the tree gonna be ok or you got to go back with parts :p

[a\c don]

Don the tree gonna be ok or you got to go back with parts :p

After repairing a sap leak the prognosis looks good for a full recovery.:D

[Dave_H]

hey I'm a new user, found the forums while trying to find an answer for my problem. I purchased a set of Mastercool digital gauges about 6 mos ago from AirCold (now closed here in Boise), have had to exchange them 3 times for the high side not responding to any pressure input. I have had no luck trying to reach their support people. I am frustrated as hell, paid $400 for these things and they are crap. Can ayone point me in the right direction?

Dave

[Reeferman]

hey I'm a new user, found the forums while trying to find an answer for my problem. I purchased a set of Mastercool digital gauges about 6 mos ago from AirCold (now closed here in Boise), have had to exchange them 3 times for the high side not responding to any pressure input. I have had no luck trying to reach their support people. I am frustrated as hell, paid $400 for these things and they are crap. Can ayone point me in the right direction?

Dave

Dave probably not what you want to hear but take your lumps, put the Mastercool on a 'Do not ever do that again shelf" and buy a DigiCool.