Florida--Christian vanity plates

[mrs reb77]

Florida lawmakers consider offering drivers a specialty license plate with a Christian cross

http://start.localnet.com/article.php?article=D908ES1O1.html

From the article: The bill creating the "I Believe" plate would also create an "In God We Trust" plate to benefit the children of soldiers and law enforcement officers whose parents have died. It also could face opposition as a violation of the separation of church and state.

An Indiana plate with the same "In God We Trust" phrase has been challenged by the ACLU, but the courts so far have deemed it legal, arguing that it is comparable with other specialty plates.

Hey, once you start making them special for anybody don't you have to start doing it for everybody? They've got all kinds of special plates already--we've got 'em in this state too. So, how and where do you draw the line? Darn near anything is liable to offend somebody!

[scrogdog]

Hmmm. I have no real problem with this because your car is privately owned. Yes, your plates are government issue, but you pay for the privledge of vanity plates.

Most know where I stand on such matters and I say "no big deal". But I think you are right, Mrs. Reb, someone will have a problem with it. I think it would be a hard sell legally, though, to stop it. Which has been precisely the case so far according to your excerpt.

[glennac]

Hey maybe were on to something here. Have lic plates for every major religion. Christian, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Christian Haters, etc. Then make everyone put the tag on their car which describes there beliefs. That would be great.:)

[scrogdog]

You know, looking back on Glenn's post I feel that I should have been able to predict it. :)

That one made me laugh.

What a profiling tool, eh? :)

[mrs reb77]

I think the Nazi's tried something like that, didn't they?

[Zeus]

I have no problem with the plates. It will be funny when car #1 with christian plates cuts off car #2, car #2 then honks at car #1. Car #1 promply shows his christian spirit by giving the one fingered salute to car #2. Praise Be to All.

[tunnel_rat]

I couldn't care less if you have "Eat Sh*t And Die" on your plates, bumper stickers, or painted on your windows. How in the world can things like that actually OFFEND anyone? Jeez, is your skin made from friggin rice paper? How does somebody elses' beliefs shatter your little world so much? How do these people survive past puberty?

I think VA. is the king bee of vanity plates. We have probably 60-70 on the wall at the DMV you can get. Seems like every moron on the road has one. If there are 3 or more people involved in an activity, I think there are plates for them. I hear the pedophilia plates may cause a stir though when they come out...:rolleyes:

[royc]

The description of the item says it all...





Vanity:rolleyes:

Roy

[Slatts]

I couldn't care less if you have "Eat Sh*t And Die" on your plates, bumper stickers, or painted on your windows. How in the world can things like that actually OFFEND anyone? Jeez, is your skin made from friggin rice paper? How does somebody elses' beliefs shatter your little world so much? How do these people survive past puberty?

I think VA. is the king bee of vanity plates. We have probably 60-70 on the wall at the DMV you can get. Seems like every moron on the road has one. If there are 3 or more people involved in an activity, I think there are plates for them. I hear the pedophilia plates may cause a stir though when they come out...:rolleyes:

Looks like not everyone in Florida shares your views tunnel (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/25/2227678.htm)
Oh and if I can just slip off topic for a mo? I'd not want to go on holidays to the Democratic republic of Congo (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/25/2227491.htm)

[mrs reb77]

That's why you should leave it at home ;) :eek:

[Slatts]

That's why you should leave it at home ;) :eek:

no can do Mrs R. I'm kinda attached to it:(

I'm not going to Congo to have that rectified either:eek:

[air311]

I would have no problem with the brainwashed sheep showing their faith on their license plates..except one guy who is a big supporter of the christian plates in Florida said he would fight against the state issuing atheist themed plates that said " I don't beleive", or anything else that would show that person isn't part of the flock. If christians want to show off their faith and beliefs, than non-believers should be allowed to show theirs as well. If some satanic cult wants to put a picture of Satan on their plates along with the slogan I believe, well, they should be allowed to. More evidence of christians only wanting what THEY believe in to be seen or heard, screw everyone elses beliefs.

[scrogdog]

YOU call OTHERS *brainwashed*???

Oh that is RICH.

[air311]

YOU call OTHERS *brainwashed*???

Oh that is RICH.

In my opinion christians are brainwashed. Just my opinion. Which you have no respect for unless it's also your opinion. And if you're implying i'm brainwashed, then why? That's right, i'm a far left liberal right?

[glennac]

I would have no problem with the brainwashed sheep showing their faith on their license plates..except one guy who is a big supporter of the christian plates in Florida said he would fight against the state issuing atheist themed plates that said " I don't beleive", or anything else that would show that person isn't part of the flock. If christians want to show off their faith and beliefs, than non-believers should be allowed to show theirs as well. If some satanic cult wants to put a picture of Satan on their plates along with the slogan I believe, well, they should be allowed to. More evidence of christians only wanting what THEY believe in to be seen or heard, screw everyone elses beliefs.

You really "dislike" Christians don't you. Perhaps you would prefer living in a country were atheism is the state religion. The old Soviet Union was such a paradise, socialist also for your delight. It's a shame Regan had to "take down" the "evil empire".

[air311]

You really "dislike" Christians don't you. Perhaps you would prefer living in a country were atheism is the state religion. The old Soviet Union was such a paradise, socialist also for your delight. It's a shame Regan had to "take down" the "evil empire".

Did you read the first thing I wrote, where I said I would have no problems with christians having their own plates as long as non-christians were allowed to have their own as well?

[glennac]

Did you read the first thing I wrote, where I said I would have no problems with christians having their own plates as long as non-christians were allowed to have their own as well?

Yes I sure did along with the comment

[qoute] brainwashed sheep showing their faith on their license plates [/quote]

Every time you refer to Christians you have to throw as much insulting and degrading remarks as you can. You apparently do have a real hatred of Christians it is obvious.

[air311]

Yes I sure did along with the comment

[qoute] brainwashed sheep showing their faith on their license plates

Every time you refer to Christians you have to throw as much insulting and degrading remarks as you can. You apparently do have a real hatred of Christians it is obvious.[/QUOTE]

I actually know plenty of christians that I like plenty. Do I think their brainwashed? yes. Doesn't mean I don't like them, and certainly don't hate them. It's not just Christians, I think anyone who believes in some mystical faith is brainwashed. I'm allowed to have that opinion. Maybe you would like it if I wasn't, but I am.

[glennac]

I actually know plenty of christians that I like plenty. Do I think their brainwashed? yes. Doesn't mean I don't like them, and certainly don't hate them. It's not just Christians, I think anyone who believes in some mystical faith is brainwashed. I'm allowed to have that opinion. Maybe you would like it if I wasn't, but I am.

Does that mean that because you think Christians are brainwashed you have to be insulting and degrading when referring to Christians? You can have that opinion and without being insulting. I guess that would be like asking you to be a gentleman and carry on a civil conversation and just argue your points. What a strange and novel request. By the way Christians is spelled with a capital letter just like Jews, Hindus, Muslims, etc. but I guess you know that because that appears to be the only word you like to misspell regularly.

[air311]

Does that mean that because you think Christians are brainwashed you have to be insulting and degrading when referring to Christians? You can have that opinion and without being insulting. I guess that would be like asking you to be a gentleman and carry on a civil conversation and just argue your points. What a strange and novel request. By the way Christians is spelled with a capital letter just like Jews, Hindus, Muslims, etc. but I guess you know that because that appears to be the only word you like to misspell regularly.

I'm just to lazy to hit the caps button. I don't cap names regularly either.

[bootlen]

Hey maybe were on to something here. Have lic plates for every major religion. Christian, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Christian Haters, etc. Then make everyone put the tag on their car which describes there beliefs. That would be great.:)

Hey, Glenn, I like that. I hope the Muslims knock themselves out getting Mulsim plates put on. They'll be easier to spot when time comes to "play".

[hvaclmnop]

The word "brainwashed" is cliche' anymore. Fact is most of the stuff we fill our 'nogin with comes from somewhere else. I really tire easily with all these Christian haters who have their own "original" angry enlightenment that I get to hear over & over. I used to sing the same tune ( over & over) when I was a Church basher & really thought I was so clever & unique.




How about this? Christian nation founded on Christian values & principles. You live here; sorry about your luck. It's because of those Christian values & principles we actually do love you and tolerate your anger toward us. Go to a Muslim country & see how well anti-Islam ideas are tolerated. Put a "DON"T BELIEVE" plate on your car there.

[scrogdog]

How about this? Read the Constitution - the number one document of law in this land.

You live here, sorry for your luck if you don't like what it says.

[hvaclmnop]

I love the constitution.... Pledged to defend it with my life. I'm thankful for our Athiest, Hindu, Muslim forefathers who fashioned it with their Pagan, Wiccan, Buddist inspired princiles & values.

The United States was fashioned a Christian nation where Christian tolerence was demonstrated by freedom of religion. The Church ( or religion ) was to be protected from the state. The intent was never that the state should be purged of religion. That is impossible. Where there is man, there is religion. Athiesm is not the absence of religion; it is one of the most strong-willed preached religions of today.

[scrogdog]

The United States was fashioned a Christian nation where Christian tolerence was demonstrated by freedom of religion. The Church ( or religion ) was to be protected from the state. The intent was never that the state should be purged of religion.

The USA was most certainly NOT fashioned in that way. If you would like to know the reasoning behind what the Constitution says, you need to read a series of essays known as the Federalist Papers. There are a total of 85 essays authored by Madison, Jay and Hamilton. In the complete body of that work, God is mentioned only a single time, and even then only in a "heaven only knows" sense.

You were saying?

The other problem with your stance in my opinion is that you and others have seen fit to turn this in to a war against Christians. Nothing could be further from the truth. No one is trying to purge religion; it isn't about that. It's about fair representation to ALL of the constituent cultures that make up The Great Melting Pot. In other words, it's not that it's necessarily bad for Christian symbols to be displayed on government buildings or for children to pray in school, it's that other religions do not have similar opportunity. So, if you want Christian symbols on the State House, for example, then you must also accept the symbols of Islam... even Satanism. If you want to pray in school, then prayer for all of the consituent cultures that attend that school need to be performed as well.

So, the issue is "all or nothing". I think even you would perhaps agree that the "ALL" way would probably get quite messy. So, we choose the "NONE" option. It's the only fair way. In the case of schools, there simply isn't time for all that prayer... the kids are there to learn; not pray.

But, please feel free to express yourself with symbols on your home, decorations in your yard, and plates on your car. Have a ball! :)

[hvaclmnop]

[QUOTE=scrogdog;1840986]The USA was most certainly NOT fashioned in that way. [QUOTE]

I agree. Looking at my last post, sometimes words get in the way of my thoughts. I know that the USA was created with the idea to never sanction a specific religion. I guess what I'm trying to convey is that the spirit in which it was created was of a Christian...wait christianized nature.

AND... I do agree that NONE would be better than all...but...Where there is man, there is religion... if not overtly by his words & actions, then covertly by his spirit & mannerisms.

[scrogdog]

I agree. Looking at my last post, sometimes words get in the way of my thoughts. I know that the USA was created with the idea to never sanction a specific religion. I guess what I'm trying to convey is that the spirit in which it was created was of a Christian...wait christianized nature.

AND... I do agree that NONE would be better than all...but...Where there is man, there is religion... if not overtly by his words & actions, then covertly by his spirit & mannerisms.

I am glad that you agree that it is not a war against Christians, at least.

You are perfectly able to have religion in your life. I don't really see how the 10 Commandments appearing on a court building (or not) or praying in school (or not) has anything to do with it. No one can keep God from your heart.

[hvaclmnop]

[QUOTE=scrogdog;1841003]I am glad that you agree that it is not a war against Christians, at least.

QUOTE]

I guess my fear is that by de-Christianizing the character of our government, the void would be filled ( & it would ) & the liberties that we all enjoy would be lost.

[scrogdog]

I guess my fear is that by de-Christianizing the character of our government, the void would be filled ( & it would ) & the liberties that we all enjoy would be lost.

I just can't see that. But then, I look at the bumbling fops we have for leaders and I'd say that I would not blame anyone for NOT wanting thier religion to be associated with them. :)

[tunnel_rat]

Looks like not everyone in Florida shares your views tunnel (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/25/2227678.htm)
Oh and if I can just slip off topic for a mo? I'd not want to go on holidays to the Democratic republic of Congo (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/25/2227491.htm)


Yea, they're working on banning them here too. Is that really what the gov't is for? Keeping morons from being morons? As for the Congo, and I thought West Va. was backwards....:rolleyes:

[hvaclmnop]

I just can't see that....

... And that is OK...God Bless America! Let our differences strengthen us...let iron sharpen iron!


...and there ain't a one of them on capitol hill that I wouldn't expect to hussle me with Amway if they invited me to dinner.:p We've definitely got problems in the capitol.

[fixacr]

I see no problem with people having license plates that tell their hobby, religion, etc. We've had bumper stickers for years that do exactly that and nobody cares. As long as it isn't porn or profanity, what business does anybody have telling others what to display on their private vehicle?

[Slatts]

Hey, Glenn, I like that. I hope the Muslims knock themselves out getting Mulsim plates put on. They'll be easier to spot when time comes to "play".

Brothers of the book Boot?

[bootlen]

Brothers of the book Boot?

Fellow patriots, slatts.

[glennac]

Brothers of the book Boot?

What kind of tag will you be using Slatts?:) :D I assume the cross and not the crescent moon.:)

[Slatts]

What kind of tag will you be using Slatts?:) :D I assume the cross and not the crescent moon.:)
Probably a picture of my kids Glenn. Got some good ones at the Anzac Day march yesterday. I'll give it some thought.

Stupidity and viciousness can be found in any religion or in the total absence of one.:(

God save us from Gods Chosen Ones.;)

[bootlen]

God save us from Gods Chosen Ones.;)

No worries, mate. That's a guarantee.:rolleyes:

[royc]

I see no problem with people having license plates that tell their hobby, religion, etc. We've had bumper stickers for years that do exactly that and nobody cares. As long as it isn't porn or profanity, what business does anybody have telling others what to display on their private vehicle?

Well I have a big problem with it, and a lot of it has nothing to do with this conversation. It used to be, I could see from a distance what state a plate was from, today I have to get up real close to figure some of those vanity plates out.

Also your right about bumber stickers on vehicles, I still have my Ron Paul stickers on mine, just to remind some, how we ignored a "better choice".
But let me remind you, the vehicle may be private, but the license plate is an official state item.

Roy

[mrs reb77]

Exactly Roy. Whatever happened to state pride in a plate? I think all those vanity plates should vanish. In our state it's just another way for the state to make a little more off the people. You pay extra you get fancy plate. If you want to support a cause, buy a license plate frame for your particular charity or organization.

Oh, and then you won't have this 'outcry' about what is kosher to go on these pieces of government property. Problem solved.

There's plenty of those little car magnets out there--apply those instead.

[chaard]

The USA was most certainly NOT fashioned in that way. If you would like to know the reasoning behind what the Constitution says, you need to read a series of essays known as the Federalist Papers. There are a total of 85 essays authored by Madison, Jay and Hamilton. In the complete body of that work, God is mentioned only a single time, and even then only in a "heaven only knows" sense.


Sorry Scrogdog.

James Madison said in his Religious Freedom, A Memorial and Remonstrance why he was against the Establishment of Religion by Law.

"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage...Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the governor of the universe.

because the policy of the bill is adverse to the diffusion of the light of Christianity. The first wish of those who ought to enjoy this precious gift, ought to be, that it may be imparted to the whole race of mankind. Compare the number of those who have yet received it, with the number still remaining under the dominions of false religions, and how small is the former! Does the policy of the bill tend to lessen the disproportion? No, it at once discourages those who are strangers to the light of Truth, from coming into the regions of it.

Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess, and to observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offence against God, not against men: To God, therefore, not to men, must an account of it be rendered"

John Jay wrote:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

Alexander Hamilton refuting those who had misunderstood the nature of liberty wrote:

"The fundamental source of all your errors, sophism's, and false reasoning, is a total ignorance of the natural rights of mankind. Were you once to become acquainted with these, you could never entertain a thought, that all men are not by nature, entitled to a parity of privileges.

You would be convinced, that natural liberty is a gift of the beneficent Creator, to the whole human race; and that civil liberty is founded on that; and cannot be wrestled from any people, without the most manifest violation of justice"

In April 1802:

"In my opinion, the present constitution is the standard to which we are to cling. Under its banner bona fide must we combat our political foes, rejecting all changes but through the channel itself provided for amendments. By these general views of the subject have my reflections been guided.

I now offer you the outline of the plan they have suggested. Let an association be formed to be denominated "The Christian Constitutional Society," it's object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of The United States"



Sounds to me that they were all for a Christian nation. Just not forcing God on every citizen.

[bootlen]

Well I have a big problem with it, and a lot of it has nothing to do with this conversation. It used to be, I could see from a distance what state a plate was from, today I have to get up real close to figure some of those vanity plates out.

And we all know that in order to be able to by groceries we have to know what state a vehicle is from.

[bootlen]

Exactly Roy. Whatever happened to state pride in a plate? I think all those vanity plates should vanish. In our state it's just another way for the state to make a little more off the people. You pay extra you get fancy plate. If you want to support a cause, buy a license plate frame for your particular charity or organization.


OR...you could just get the standard plate leaving a choice for others.

I guess people have to ***** about something.

[sline-dawg]

To the Honorable the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia
A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments



We the subscribers , citizens of the said Commonwealth, having taken into serious consideration, a Bill printed by order of the last Session of General Assembly, entitled "A Bill establishing a provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion," and conceiving that the same if finally armed with the sanctions of a law, will be a dangerous abuse of power, are bound as faithful members of a free State to remonstrate against it, and to declare the reasons by which we are determined. We remonstrate against the said Bill,



Sorry chaard.... Perhaps you should read it again...:rolleyes:

[sline-dawg]

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/madison_m&r_1785.html




Couldn't add to my post....sorry....:o

[chaard]

To the Honorable the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia
A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments



We the subscribers , citizens of the said Commonwealth, having taken into serious consideration, a Bill printed by order of the last Session of General Assembly, entitled "A Bill establishing a provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion," and conceiving that the same if finally armed with the sanctions of a law, will be a dangerous abuse of power, are bound as faithful members of a free State to remonstrate against it, and to declare the reasons by which we are determined. We remonstrate against the said Bill,



Sorry chaard.... Perhaps you should read it again...:rolleyes:

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/madison_m&r_1785.html

Uh, didn't I quote that?

[sline-dawg]

Sounds to me that they were all for a Christian nation. Just not forcing God on every citizen.



Guess I misinterpreted your thoughts..... They clearly wanted freedom of choice with no bias from the governing body... Don't we all..?:cool:

[scrogdog]

Sorry Scrogdog.

James Madison said in his Religious Freedom, A Memorial and Remonstrance why he was against the Establishment of Religion by Law.

"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage...Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the governor of the universe.

because the policy of the bill is adverse to the diffusion of the light of Christianity. The first wish of those who ought to enjoy this precious gift, ought to be, that it may be imparted to the whole race of mankind. Compare the number of those who have yet received it, with the number still remaining under the dominions of false religions, and how small is the former! Does the policy of the bill tend to lessen the disproportion? No, it at once discourages those who are strangers to the light of Truth, from coming into the regions of it.

Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess, and to observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offence against God, not against men: To God, therefore, not to men, must an account of it be rendered"

John Jay wrote:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

Alexander Hamilton refuting those who had misunderstood the nature of liberty wrote:

"The fundamental source of all your errors, sophism's, and false reasoning, is a total ignorance of the natural rights of mankind. Were you once to become acquainted with these, you could never entertain a thought, that all men are not by nature, entitled to a parity of privileges.

You would be convinced, that natural liberty is a gift of the beneficent Creator, to the whole human race; and that civil liberty is founded on that; and cannot be wrestled from any people, without the most manifest violation of justice"

In April 1802:

"In my opinion, the present constitution is the standard to which we are to cling. Under its banner bona fide must we combat our political foes, rejecting all changes but through the channel itself provided for amendments. By these general views of the subject have my reflections been guided.

I now offer you the outline of the plan they have suggested. Let an association be formed to be denominated "The Christian Constitutional Society," it's object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of The United States"



Sounds to me that they were all for a Christian nation. Just not forcing God on every citizen.

No need to be sorry, my friend. You bring up valid points. Which I will still disagree with. :)

I think what you are missing is that such language was kept from the Constitution and the explanation of the whys and hows of it (the Federalist Papers) for a reason. You need to consider what that reason was, in my opinion, before you get a grasp on my position. :)

I am in no way saying that some of our forefathers were not devout Christians. But it is also true that they held many different beliefs, which is what made one of them proclaim, but I forget which, Jefferson perhaps; that "his mind was his church".

No one would expect that a Christian, after the construction of the consitution, would NOT preach his religion. As many have pointed out, the bible even says to do this; unless others view it as annoying. :) Then you move on.

So, yes. I would fully expect that, in the post Consitution era, that each writer would go on to promote his beliefs. Nothing strange about that. What is strange is that you project this reasoning in to the Constitution. Again, that wording was kept from that document and the associated explantion of it for a reason.

You need to consider that reason. Especially since it is exactly that which made our forefathers visionaries.

[bootlen]

I am in no way saying that some of our forefathers were not devout Christians. But it is also true that they held many different beliefs, which is what made one of them proclaim, but I forget which, Jefferson perhaps; that "his mind was his church".


Likely was Jefferson. He even rewrote the Bible (called a "Jefferson Bible") and left out what he didn't like. In this instance, he rewrote the definition of "church".

[chaard]

Likely was Jefferson. He even rewrote the Bible (called a "Jefferson Bible") and left out what he didn't like. In this instance, he rewrote the definition of "church".

Maybe he did but according to what I'm reading he doesn't seem like an agnostic, like some have portrayed him..

Even TJ proposed a National Day of Thanksgiving and Prayer to Almighty God.

[chaard]

No need to be sorry, my friend. You bring up valid points. Which I will still disagree with. :)

I think what you are missing is that such language was kept from the Constitution and the explanation of the whys and hows of it (the Federalist Papers) for a reason. You need to consider what that reason was, in my opinion, before you get a grasp on my position. :)

I am in no way saying that some of our forefathers were not devout Christians. But it is also true that they held many different beliefs, which is what made one of them proclaim, but I forget which, Jefferson perhaps; that "his mind was his church".

No one would expect that a Christian, after the construction of the consitution, would NOT preach his religion. As many have pointed out, the bible even says to do this; unless others view it as annoying. :) Then you move on.

So, yes. I would fully expect that, in the post Consitution era, that each writer would go on to promote his beliefs. Nothing strange about that. What is strange is that you project this reasoning in to the Constitution. Again, that wording was kept from that document and the associated explantion of it for a reason.

You need to consider that reason. Especially since it is exactly that which made our forefathers visionaries.

But the first Ammendment say's that the Gov. "cannot prohibit the free excercise therof."
So a license plate is allowing some to exerise there beliefs.
And yes you would have to create plates for every religous sect if those other sects wanted vanity plates. I see nothing wrong that. So, I guess we would expect to see plates that said "I'm queer, I'm here, get over it" as well.:D

[chaard]

Then again according to Madison regarding "The Bill establishing a provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion" Madison wrote:

"As the Bill violates equality by subjecting some to peculiar burdens, so it violates the same principle, by granting to others peculiar exemptions."

So, the Bill for the "I Believe" plates would be shot down if Madison were alive today.

[mrs reb77]

I just don't see the point of having license plates that different for every individual group etc. Back in the day, our state had different color plates for cars, trucks and farm vehicles. Cops could tell with a quick glance if the plates matched the type of vehicle. Now they're all different colors and the numbering only means something if you didn't pick it out and have it specially printed. If you don't have special plates, the numbering has significance. So, why go to all that trouble? What's the point if not all plates are standardized in this manner?