Obamama says small-towners gun-nut religious freaks

[Tool-Slinger]

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest,.........it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion......''

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1116676020080412?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true


WOW! What a goofy statement! This is a really fun election year!!!!!

Okay small-towners, come out, we know you are in there cowering under the bed with your assault rifle and bible and bigoted opinions of ethnic divirsity examples, come out with your hands up!

[bobby7388]

Yeah...he's a knucklehead.

[whec720]

Interesting.....I forgot that the people in the urban areas, especially inner city neighborhoods, do not have guns. They also don't have churches. I guess Barak has to travel way out to the "sticks", to attend his nutty church services.:rolleyes:

[chillerfreak]

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest,.........it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion......''

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1116676020080412?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true


WOW! What a goofy statement! This is a really fun election year!!!!!

Okay small-towners, come out, we know you are in there cowering under the bed with your assault rifle and bible and bigoted opinions of ethnic divirsity examples, come out with your hands up!

So what's the point...are you upset that he overstated the obvious.:confused:...I'm not from a small town, don't always make it to church but I sleep with a 9mm under my pillow and I'm bitter....what's the big deal!

[sysint]

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama, an Illinois senator, said.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he said.

I don't have a problem with his thoughts. He's saying HE THINKS people get angry because the jobs are leaving. These people have to re-establish things in their lives and turn to what HE thinks is the result of bitterness to not having decent work. I don't think he views clinging to guns or religion is BAD in itself, just that people need to ground themselves. Typically they pick up a cause.

I do have to say nobody would be worrying much about immigration or trade if they had well paying local jobs and job security.

I do have to say you did a nice job of imitating the liberal media with a title to this thread that is misleading.

[sysint]

""When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness," Obama told a rally in Terre Haute. "They're frustrated and for good reason. ... They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions." What I'd like to see is him blaming his own party for supporting unions that underfund liabilities and risk lost pensions.... At least he isn't tied up like Clinton with the lobbyists.

[whec720]

Yep..both Democratic and Republican parties support NAFTA and it's increasing expansion, whether they admit to it or not. Seeing is believing. Neither party gives a squat about "average Americans". It's all big business, all the time. It has been said many times, "just follow the money".

[chillerfreak]

""When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness," Obama told a rally in Terre Haute. "They're frustrated and for good reason. ... They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions." What I'd like to see is him blaming his own party for supporting unions that underfund liabilities and risk lost pensions.... At least he isn't tied up like Clinton with the lobbyists.

Unions..now the unions are to blame....I bet the majority of people that have lost retirement money didn't even belong to a union.....just ask anyone that worked for Enron.

[sysint]

Unions participate in underfunding pensions and health as a negotiation tool to keep companies under contract. Ask your union what percentage they are underfunded and get back to me and tell me that anything less than 100% funding is acceptable. Take a look at the auto industry and try to tell me with all the negotiations back and forth how they could have allowed underfunding....

EDIT- Another instance is when the union sets up the underfunded condition and companies go under. Look at the airline industry. I'll bet those people wish their pensions were 100% funded.

[whec720]

Unions..now the unions are to blame....I bet the majority of people that have lost retirement money didn't even belong to a union.....just ask anyone that worked for Enron.

Probably because some unions cause a lot of problems. Here's a story out of Buffalo, NY you may be interested in. Not trying to dog unions, but this stuff goes on all the time.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/318821.html/

[chillerfreak]

Yep..both Democratic and Republican parties support NAFTA and it's increasing expansion, whether they admit to it or not. Seeing is believing. Neither party gives a squat about "average Americans". It's all big business, all the the time. It has been said many times, "just follow the money".

How True....There's a rigging company located out here where we periodically store and disassemble our chillers before we move them onto new job sites. They have a pretty good sized building that is always full of "used equipment"
The equipment comes from small manufacturing plants that have either shut down and or are relocating....this company is paid to go in and remove the tooling, store it and eventually ship it to a new location....What I find interesting is that in the early 90's most of the equipment was shipped down South (where labor was cheaper). Late 90's the equipment started shipping into Mexico.....I was just there in January and these guys are pretty busy...shipping equipment to China...:mad:...

My point...If your job is to make something that can be made cheaper someplace else....you are eventually going to lose your job..Say goodbye to the blue collar middle class worker.... I guess I'm lucky.....until they can figure out how start and service chillers from Mexico or China I should still have a job.

[chillerfreak]

Probably because some unions cause a lot of problems. Here's a story out of Buffalo, NY you may be interested in. Not trying to dog unions, but this stuff goes on all the time.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/318821.html/

Well duh...that's New York....Haven't you watched the "Soprano's" :D

I'm not denying that this goes on....especially in NY

I was just wondering how we went from slamming Obama for a particular comment to bashing unions? :confused:

[whec720]

How True....There's a rigging company located out here where we periodically store and disassemble our chillers before we move them onto new job sites. They have a pretty good sized building that is always full of "used equipment"
The equipment comes from small manufacturing plants that have either shut down and or are relocating....this company is paid to go in and remove the tooling, store it and eventually ship it to a new location....What I find interesting is that in the early 90's most of the equipment was shipped down South (where labor was cheaper). Late 90's the equipment started shipping into Mexico.....I was just there in January and these guys are pretty busy...shipping equipment to China...:mad:...

My point...If your job is to make something that can be made cheaper someplace else....you are eventually going to lose your job..Say goodbye to the blue collar middle class worker.... I guess I'm lucky.....until they can figure out how start and service chillers from Mexico or China I should still have a job.

When they figure the later out, we're all in trouble. My guess is, that he sneaky ba$tards, ie business leaders, will try to come up with throw away chillers. They will be made in China, or course.:rolleyes:
These chillers will be made of recycled materials at the lowest possible quality and cost. Average life span; five years. there is no need to service them because it will be cheaper to just replace than to repair them. Not good for guys like us, but if we could figure out how to do this; we'll be billionaires in less than ten seconds.:o

[chillerfreak]

Not good for guys like us, but if we could figure out how to do this; we'll be billionaires in less than ten seconds.:o

Click...Light bulb goes on....:rolleyes:.....LOL

[whec720]

Well duh...that's New York....Haven't you watched the "Soprano's" :D

I'm not denying that this goes on....as it happened out here with a company called "Capital Consultants" that Invested and lost money from union pension funds...I think about 400 million...in some shady dealings....

Wherever there is a pile of money there is going to be thief trying to steal that money...

I was just wondering how we went from slamming Obama for a particular comment to bashing unions? :confused:

Like any thread, it goes off it's original course. Disagree with the union bashing statement. Unions do this bad press to themselves. Why can't they just stay on the up and up?

[chillerfreak]

Like any thread, it goes off it's original course. Disagree with the union bashing statement. Unions do this bad press to themselves. Why can't they just stay on the up and up?

First off....The article described Western NY and NY as the two areas where union rackateering takes place.....I would guess that there are many other types of mob activity that takes place there as well. You are wrong if you believe that this story represents the typical labor union in America.

As per why can't they just stay on the up and up?....I guess you could ask that question of any organazation. Our government, large Corporations (Walmart included), Religions, Boy Scouts...(I'm not slamming the Boy Scouts)....Sports...Any organazation where you have people...you will have some who will break the rules.

If you want I can send you some articles about local union workers and businesses building homes for "Habitat for Humanity" or various other activities that might make you look at us a little differently.....It won't be as interesting a read as the previously posted article!:o

[Tool-Slinger]

Oh just that obama goofed big-time. I am sure he did not intend to imply what he did, BUT HE DID!!! :D I guess he was trying to empathize with small-town america, but that was a dumb snafu and perhaps candsid of his true opinoin of small-town america, to link ''job loss'' with ''clinging to guns and racism'' DOH


BTW
'''antipathy to people who aren't like them'''' I call that racism, I don't see any other way to read that part.

[chillerfreak]

an-tip-a-thy

1: opposition in feeling
2: settled aversion or dislike
3: an object of aversion

rac-ism
1: a belief that race is the primary deteminant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination

Just because I dislike Californians doesn't mean I'm a Racist!

[Tool-Slinger]

an-tip-a-thy

1: opposition in feeling
2: settled aversion or dislike
3: an object of aversion

rac-ism
1: a belief that race is the primary deteminant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination

Just because I dislike Californians doesn't mean I'm a Racist!
There is not alot of state hate in america, be honest, he meant racism because that is about the only thing of actual current event substance that would fall under the definition of ''antipathy to people who aren't like them''. I will admit he could have meant homophobes also, but I would say that the far laft wingers like obamama generally are always trying to lump the two into the same category anyway.

[chillerfreak]

There is not alot of state hate in america, be honest, he meant racism because that is about the only thing of actual current event substance that would fall under the definition of ''antipathy to people who aren't like them''. I will admit he could have meant homophobes also, but I would say that the far laft wingers like obamama generally are always trying to lump the two into the same category anyway.

I'm confused or don't get your point...to me people that are different could mean people of different faith, political point of view, different nationality (not necessarily different race), non union, White collar, different profession, different taste in Music...(I like Hank Sr. myself)...follow a different football team....If small town mid-western Americans have antipathy towards people that are different...well I guess there is a long list of people that would fit into that category...:confused:

[RoBoTeq]

So what's the point...are you upset that he overstated the obvious.:confused:...I'm not from a small town, don't always make it to church but I sleep with a 9mm under my pillow and I'm bitter....what's the big deal!
OK, it is good that Obama has a fan like you. That does not mean that others who did not take well to Obama's comments are wrong, we just don't see it the same way as you do.

I too keep a 9mm close at hand. I was bitter in my last job, but that was remedied by changing jobs. Obama is basically using people who are bitter to make a case for economical woes and against handguns at the same time. Sounds like Obama would like to make these small town people happy by throwing money at them and taking away their guns and religious values.

[RoBoTeq]

Unions..now the unions are to blame....I bet the majority of people that have lost retirement money didn't even belong to a union.....just ask anyone that worked for Enron.
I'll take that bet. Most of the people who worked for Enron were able to get other jobs. They weren't taken care of to the point of becoming apathetic when the baby sitters they relied on destroyed the companies that provided them jobs.

[RoBoTeq]

Well duh...that's New York....Haven't you watched the "Soprano's" :D

I'm not denying that this goes on....especially in NY

I was just wondering how we went from slamming Obama for a particular comment to bashing unions? :confused:
The Sopranos is based in NJ; not that NJ isn't basically a suburb of NY City:cool:

[Tool-Slinger]

I'm confused or don't get your point...to me people that are different could mean people of different faith, political point of view, different nationality (not necessarily different race), non union, White collar, different profession, different taste in Music...(I like Hank Sr. myself)...follow a different football team....If small town mid-western Americans have antipathy towards people that are different...well I guess there is a long list of people that would fit into that category...:confused:
You know he was not referring to music and football, that is rediculous. Whatever he meant matters less than how it will be percieved, and it HAS ALREADY BEEN percieved as a reference to racism. That is a major snafu, but the racism reference is only one of several points. Obama has admitted this comment was a goof, can you?

[chillerfreak]

I'll take that bet. Most of the people who worked for Enron were able to get other jobs. They weren't taken care of to the point of becoming apathetic when the baby sitters they relied on destroyed the companies that provided them jobs.

So are you inferring that because I'm a union memeber I'm apathetic and in need of a babysitter....If so I welcome you to come work beside me for a day Robo......I also know one of my customers that lost around 300K out of his 401 K because of Enron....he had to postpone his retirement for 3 years...finally just retired last month

[chillerfreak]

The Sopranos is based in NJ; not that NJ isn't basically a suburb of NY City:cool:

I seem to recall that Tony was always having issues with the NY boss.:D

[RoBoTeq]

Well duh...that's New York....Haven't you watched the "Soprano's" :D

I'm not denying that this goes on....especially in NY

I was just wondering how we went from slamming Obama for a particular comment to bashing unions? :confused:
Liberal politicians take circumstances in which unions had a role in creating and try to make it sound like a situation where more government control is needed.
Obama is trying to prey on those he feels need to have others take care of them.

[chillerfreak]

You know he was not referring to music and football, that is rediculous. Whatever he meant matters less than how it will be percieved, and it HAS ALREADY BEEN percieved as a reference to racism. That is a major snafu, but the racism reference is only one of several points. Obama has admitted this comment was a goof, can you?

I think I started out saying that I live in a city....sometimes go to church..own a gun and am bitter.....and I hate the Dallas Cowboys...I was using examples that people can dislike others without involving racism.....EXAMPLE....if I said I hated Southern Baptists (which I don't)...It wouldn't make me a Racist...would it?

As for his comments I agree..probably not smart...but I don't see it as racist...:confused:....But then again W does't always say smart things?

[RoBoTeq]

So are you inferring that because I'm a union memeber I'm apathetic and in need of a babysitter....If so I welcome you to come work beside me for a day Robo......I also know one of my customers that lost around 300K out of his 401 K because of Enron....he had to postpone his retirement for 3 years...finally just retired last month
Not inferring anything of the sort. I have worked beside many union workers over my years and found most to be hard working, ethical people.

However, the overall union structure works because it uses money and benefits not produced by the unions to basically bribe workers to rally their support of the unions. Just because you know someone hurt in the Enron debacle does not mean that the private sector (87% of the American workforce) has more corruption and failed promises issues then do unionized companies and government employees (13% of the American workforce).

I have been disgruntled over my work conditions over the past few years. I did what I needed to do and quit. I did not whine to some organization that cost the company I worked for money without production, I did what someone who does not need babysitting does; I quit and went to work for someone else.

Now; do you feel superior to me because you are union?

[RoBoTeq]

I seem to recall that Tony was always having issues with the NY boss.:D
Hell, you could be absolutely right. I've never seen more then the opening two minutes of that series. Working in Philadelphia is enough of that attitude for me.

[Tool-Slinger]

I think I started out saying that I live in a city....sometimes go to church..own a gun and am bitter.....and I hate the Dallas Cowboys...I was using examples that people can dislike others without involving racism.....EXAMPLE....if I said I hated Southern Baptists (which I don't)...It wouldn't make me a Racist...would it?

As for his comments I agree..probably not smart...but I don't see it as racist...:confused:....But then again W does't always say smart things?
It is percieved as a reference to racism by many. You are perfectly entitled to not see it that way and that is a valid perception. But many do.

The only point is that obama screwed-up big-time with this statement. It feeds into the ''harvard educated elitist'' bias against him. There is no need to debate his intentions. He was trying to cozy-up to small-towners and had no intention at all to insult anyone, I got it. He just put his foot in his mouth! AND it is funny, that was my only real point, it is an election year and we got more snafus, flips, gaffes, and pandering than you can shake a stick at. Try to see the humor in it, all 3 of the contenders have plenty more time for future screw-ups. And the pattern so far is promising for much more. :D

[tunnel_rat]

So, the slick tounged upstart finally slipped in it....:D:D

[countryhick]

I am proud to be a gun carrying, Bible thumping, Hick from Pennsylvania... Its better than being an AIDS carrying, bum thumping, fairy.....

[whec720]

Just watched the news and Hillary was lecturing Obama on elitism....:rolleyes:

These three losers.......we're so @#$%ed!:(

[chillerfreak]

It is percieved as a reference to racism by many. You are perfectly entitled to not see it that way and that is a valid perception. But many do.

The only point is that obama screwed-up big-time with this statement. It feeds into the ''harvard educated elitist'' bias against him. There is no need to debate his intentions. He was trying to cozy-up to small-towners and had no intention at all to insult anyone, I got it. He just put his foot in his mouth! AND it is funny, that was my only real point, it is an election year and we got more snafus, flips, gaffes, and pandering than you can shake a stick at. Try to see the humor in it, all 3 of the contenders have plenty more time for future screw-ups. And the pattern so far is promising for much more. :D


I see the humor...I just want to make sure you Arpies use the correct labels!:D

[chillerfreak]

I am proud to be a gun carrying, Bible thumping, Hick from Pennsylvania... Its better than being an AIDS carrying, bum thumping, fairy........How would you know? evidently you have experience?

[chillerfreak]

Hell, you could be absolutely right. I've never seen more then the opening two minutes of that series. Working in Philadelphia is enough of that attitude for me.

!st. time robo ever said I might be right about something....better call hell and see what the temp is,,,,might be frozen over!....:D

[RoBoTeq]

I am proud to be a gun carrying, Bible thumping, Hick from Pennsylvania... Its better than being an AIDS carrying, bum thumping, fairy.....
Amen, hallalujah and right on?

[RoBoTeq]

...How would you know? evidently you have experience?
Why? Don't you think it is better that men don't have to give birth or have menstrual cycles even though you have never actually done either? Well, I'm pretty sure you haven't given birth at least.

[RoBoTeq]

!st. time robo ever said I might be right about something....better call hell and see what the temp is,,,,might be frozen over!....:D
"Could" be; "c-o-u-l-d" be. Come to think of it, I am probably wrong about that:cool:

[chillerfreak]

I have been disgruntled over my work conditions over the past few years. I did what I needed to do and quit. I did not whine to some organization that cost the company I worked for money without production, I did what someone who does not need babysitting does; I quit and went to work for someone else.

Now; do you feel superior to me because you are union?

That's funny I quit my job too!....drug up and went to work for another company....what's that have to do with being union?

To answer your question ....no I do not feel superior.....but I'm not ashamed either!....I haven't slammed you for your choice...have I?

[chillerfreak]

Why? Don't you think it is better that men don't have to give birth or have menstrual cycles even though you have never actually done either? Well, I'm pretty sure you haven't given birth at least.

LMAO......Right on Robo.....I do have my opinion on that ....but I don't want to let Mr.s Freak know I have it easier than her!....:D

[RoBoTeq]

That's funny I quit my job too!....drug up and went to work for another company....what's that have to do with being union?

To answer your question ....no I do not feel superior.....but I'm not ashamed either!....I haven't slammed you for your choice...have I?
And I certainly hope I have never slammed anyone for working union since I promote it for those who can make out better by doing so.

[RoBoTeq]

LMAO......Right on Robo.....I do have my opinion on that ....but I don't want to let Mr.s Freak know I have it easier than her!....:D
Good point. My missus is past that stage but now I have to hear about the hot flashes.

[chillerfreak]

Good point. My missus is past that stage but now I have to hear about the hot flashes.

That's funny..mine to...She keeps the house at 70 deg. during the summertime...I come home and have to put on a sweatshirt!

[k-fridge]

That's funny..mine to...She keeps the house at 70 deg. during the summertime...I come home and have to put on a sweatshirt!
Same in my house. Good thing I'm a HVAC guy. :eek:

[chillerfreak]

"Could" be; "c-o-u-l-d" be. Come to think of it, I am probably wrong about that:cool:

Another 1st.....1st. time ever Robo admitted he could be wrong...folks we are on a roll!.....the planets must be waaay out of whack!.....

two (2) firsts in one day......Wowwwwwaaaa!.....:D

[RoBoTeq]

Another 1st.....1st. time ever Robo admitted he could be wrong...folks we are on a roll!.....the planets must be waaay out of whack!.....

two (2) firsts in one day......Wowwwwwaaaa!.....:D
I am wrong often. I just don't go blasting my being wrong all over the Internet like some of you do:D

[chillerfreak]

I am wrong often. I just don't go blasting my being wrong all over the Internet like some of you do:D

Ok...but to Admit that I might be right aaaaand that you could be wrong in one day.....you do have to admit...that is special....:D


PS BTW I do agree with your post...yes you are...often wrong!!!!

[RoBoTeq]

Ok...but to Admit that I might be right aaaaand that you could be wrong in one day.....you do have to admit...that is special....:D


PS BTW I do agree with your post...yes you are...often wrong!!!!
So; you admit that I was right again? .......about being wrong:D

Actually I have never been wrong. On previous posts I thought I may have been wrong in the past, but I was mistaken.

[air311]

So Obama slips up now and then and says something that throws people into a fit. At least he doesn't sound like he's reading from a cue card 99% of the time. And what he said was the truth..something that is sorely lacking in American politics.

[chillerfreak]

So; you admit that I was right again? .......about being wrong:D

Actually I have never been wrong. On previous posts I thought I may have been wrong in the past, but I was mistaken.

Robo is back to normal....the planets must have re-aligned.....:D

[whec720]

So Obama slips up now and then and says something that throws people into a fit. At least he doesn't sound like he's reading from a cue card 99% of the time. And what he said was the truth..something that is sorely lacking in American politics.

Hmmmm.......you must be one of those bitter rural guys, who clings to guns and religion; outta of frustration of course.:p

[jpb2]

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama, an Illinois senator, said.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he said.

I don't have a problem with his thoughts. He's saying HE THINKS people get angry because the jobs are leaving. These people have to re-establish things in their lives and turn to what HE thinks is the result of bitterness to not having decent work. I don't think he views clinging to guns or religion is BAD in itself, just that people need to ground themselves. Typically they pick up a cause.

I do have to say nobody would be worrying much about immigration or trade if they had well paying local jobs and job security.

I do have to say you did a nice job of imitating the liberal media with a title to this thread that is misleading.

If they would earn the jobs not bagging government to provide them due to regolation

[jpb2]

Sneaky Bastards..... ever get a job or get paid by someone less than successful ? Capatilism works