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jeremy-lvhm
04-07-2008, 01:54 PM
Here it is. My first unit that I actually feel good enough to post here. Now don't get on me about the indoor unit as its shoved in a bad place and the landlord wont spend any more money to change any of that for sure.

I'll start with the before shots.

Old carrier Q heat pump blew its load all over the ground :D

Replaced it with a Tempstar unit that fit perfect as far as the air handler is concerned. The condenser was slightly larger of course.

jeremy-lvhm
04-07-2008, 01:57 PM
Now you can all critique me

:eek:

Evolutionizer
04-07-2008, 02:47 PM
What happens when the primary drain backs up? Is that the secondary just pointing toward the floor? If so a float switch would be the best thing to put there otherwise you won't know there is a problem until the landlord calls and says you ruined his ceiling and caused water damage to the floor.:( Should have a secondary drain pan anyway. Outside looks good. I don't know what codes are there but here the disconnect should be to the side or above the unit or the unit should be 36" away from it.

deaztrailnutz
04-07-2008, 03:23 PM
I don't know what codes are there but here the disconnect should be to the side or above the unit or the unit should be 36" away from it.
I believe NEC requires the disconnect to be WITHIN SIGHT (not around the corner of a building or the other side of the wall) and within 50ft. Local codes may varry.

Evolutionizer
04-07-2008, 03:32 PM
I didn't mean around the corner. I meant out from right behind the unit itself for servicing purposes.

jeremy-lvhm
04-07-2008, 03:40 PM
As I said some things these guys won't pay for. The pipe facing down is out of the secondary pan. You can see it better in the before pics. I actually plan to nix that drain and install a float switch when I return to check the charge when it warms up.

But this is the way all of these units are hooked up now. So if it overflows it ends up soaking the drop ceiling. But as I change the systems and get to work on them I will fix those type of things

As far as the disconnect goes I think in sight is more than sufficient and since the electric is already coming thru the wall there it wouldn't make sense to move it and make it look worse.

johncavh
04-07-2008, 03:41 PM
agree secondary drain pan and float switch would be good, and disconnecst easier to reach would be nice. looks nice over all :D

Evolutionizer
04-07-2008, 03:47 PM
Even though lanlord doesn't want to spend money, job still looks good and looks like you take pride in workmanship. Don't change your ways. Eventually you can weed out the jobs that don't pay for the kind of work you like to do. There will always be hackers give people what there willing to pay for.:)

jeremy-lvhm
04-07-2008, 04:14 PM
It's one of those deals where theses guys own a bunch of properties and get me at a fairly reduced rate BUT it keeps me busy and I make descent cash with them. And they ALWAYS pay their bills on time. They even insist on buying alot for their equipment themselves which is fine by me since every time I pick things up I get something for me too. Plus I get paid to pick up parts. Most of the time they would be better off paying my markup than sending me to pick up parts on their account but I don't argue :rolleyes:

And the disconnect isn't as bad as it looks really. Trust me if it was hard to get to I would have moved it since thats a big pet peeve of mine. But if you can see too there isn't any room to move around since the next unit is right next to it. I can't be throwing disconnects over the property boundary into the next unit either. Even though it is on the same building everything needs to be separate. This was my first job using my new ratcheting bender too (actually it was borrowed, mine is arriving next week). Its a little hairy above the soffit but it came out well. It was just fun getting that new air handler up in that space with only two inches to spare plus I did it myself.

countryhick
04-07-2008, 08:22 PM
As they say it looks great from the road. Just one question, are your manifold gauges hooked up correctly in pic number 4?

BigJon3475
04-07-2008, 08:55 PM
He's on the true suction port and hotgas of a heatpump.

DocHVAC
04-07-2008, 11:19 PM
What happens when that wood under the handler gets wet and starts to rot?

deaztrailnutz
04-07-2008, 11:19 PM
I didn't mean around the corner. I meant out from right behind the unit itself for servicing purposes.

I know what you are saying. That was directed towards others who believe a breaker in the basement panel will do. :p

jeremy-lvhm
04-08-2008, 12:44 AM
What happens when that wood under the handler gets wet and starts to rot?

Well being that its pressure treated and oh 15 or so years old and still fine. I think we will get by. I'll keep an eye out for termites though

FireAir7215
04-09-2008, 07:19 PM
Now you can all critique me

:eek:

Where is Large Overflow Pan ?:confused:

cobitech
04-09-2008, 07:57 PM
Nice line set run.

Did you install a 90° elbow or bend the copper pipe down the outside wall and what kind of line set cover is that?

Is the Liquid line drier the right size for that size of unit and why did you not put it on the inside?

Nytefog
04-09-2008, 11:54 PM
Hello,

You should have a strap with in 12" of where the wip leaves the disconnect. (Code in NJ) You shouldn't strap low voltage wiring to high voltage.(picture of AH) Does the filter hit the PVC when trying to remove it? Do you have to use purple PVC primer for code where you are? No bottom piece on the slim duct? Should the filter drier be installed close as possible to the metering device? I do like that you made nice clean bends on the copper at the HP.

:) Looks like a clean install though!

jeremy-lvhm
04-10-2008, 09:05 AM
Where is Large Overflow Pan ?:confused:

Look at the before pics. The same pan that was there is still there. It's not much bigger than the unit but I would have had to remove walls to make another one fit. :cool:


Nice line set run.

Did you install a 90° elbow or bend the copper pipe down the outside wall and what kind of line set cover is that?

Is the Liquid line drier the right size for that size of unit and why did you not put it on the inside?

No 90's I only had to use a coupling after it went up through the soffit I could only put like 12 inches ofter the bend into the building. I actually removed a piece of soffit but with the limited space that was the best I could do. The liquid line is fittingless though.

The lineset cover is some brand that I never heard of before (Chinese I think). I think I would prefer slimduct though (I just ordered a sample from diversitech actually)

You know I was WAITING for someone to catch the filter drier. I ALWAYS put them inside (pet peeve of mine) but I was limited in space inside and I left it outside this one time. It's actually common practice on our area to do this and I could never figure out why. So yes I know that was a goof. And it's the one that came with the unit so it better be big enough.


Hello,

You should have a strap with in 12" of where the wip leaves the disconnect. (Code in NJ) You shouldn't strap low voltage wiring to high voltage.(picture of AH) Does the filter hit the PVC when trying to remove it? Do you have to use purple PVC primer for code where you are? No bottom piece on the slim duct? Should the filter drier be installed close as possible to the metering device? I do like that you made nice clean bends on the copper at the HP.

:) Looks like a clean install though!


Yeesh you hammered me. Not sure about the whip and purple primer here. As far as I know purple primer is only needed for poop :rolleyes: ( I never got hit on my inspected installs for that so I'd have to say its not code) They were out of bottom fittings that day so its foamed and thats good enough for this guy anyway (cheap!!) And you can see my take on the filter drier above.

Only my second time using the new bender. :cool: I actually just picked up my own yesterday at a Richie counter day for $133 bones. This set is much nicer than the one I borrowed.

m-cooling
04-10-2008, 10:51 AM
I could sit here and examine every pic and point out things.Enjoyed the pics jeremy.

mattm
04-10-2008, 01:39 PM
Looks like it may be a slight challenge to change the filter with the condensate line in front of it. Or is that just an opticle illusion ?

I would for sure get rid of the down spout over the tiles. :D

Looks good though.

Air-Head
04-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Everything looks pretty clean.

If I were the homeowner, I would've like how clean the lineset came out.
I would be dissapointed with how bad the lineset cover looks. Its pretty ugly. You did a good job with it.

My personal pet peeve is mixing new and old equipment. True, sometimes you dont have a choice. But in this case, I definently wouldve changed out that ugly, old disconnect at the HP.

Looks like it was a challenge at the air-handler but you did a good job.

Keep up the good job and you should probably start using primer. Its alot cheaper than having to go back. It makes it a little uglier but you can limit how ugly it is with a little extra effort. I HATE flare fittings so thats a shame you had to use them, not ur fault of course. They might start leaking in a few areas so save all the info on the job!

Sweet install!

jeremy-lvhm
04-10-2008, 05:16 PM
Looks like it may be a slight challenge to change the filter with the condensate line in front of it. Or is that just an opticle illusion ?

I would for sure get rid of the down spout over the tiles. :D

Looks good though.

Oh yes I forget to address that before. The filter path is fine. Its an illusion. I only had about 18 inches in front of that unit to take pics so they aren't perfect.

Yeah the down spout will go :-) I thought it was cool when I first got there though. LOL. I wonder how many units they flooded doing that.


Everything looks pretty clean.

If I were the homeowner, I would've like how clean the lineset came out.
I would be disappointed with how bad the lineset cover looks. Its pretty ugly. You did a good job with it.

My personal pet peeve is mixing new and old equipment. True, sometimes you dont have a choice. But in this case, I definently wouldve changed out that ugly, old disconnect at the HP.

Looks like it was a challenge at the air-handler but you did a good job.

Keep up the good job and you should probably start using primer. Its alot cheaper than having to go back. It makes it a little uglier but you can limit how ugly it is with a little extra effort. I HATE flare fittings so thats a shame you had to use them, not ur fault of course. They might start leaking in a few areas so save all the info on the job!

Sweet install!

Whats wrong with the lineset cover? I know this guy and he would have preferred I just strap the line set to the brick and call it a day but I didn't give him a choice:D If he gives me any static I'll tell him it's required and he will back off.

As far as the disconnect your lucky I even got a new whip on it. LOL This guy would prefer I just reuse the old whip too.

Gotta remember that this is rental commercial properties. Not the same as a residence. I did the best with what I am able to spend. These guys pinch the pennies.

Air-Head
04-10-2008, 06:34 PM
Whats wrong with the lineset cover? I know this guy and he would have preferred I just strap the line set to the brick and call it a day but I didn't give him a choice:D If he gives me any static I'll tell him it's required and he will back off.

As far as the disconnect your lucky I even got a new whip on it. LOL This guy would prefer I just reuse the old whip too.


I definently dont think you should just strap to the brick! I just think that a 4"X6" (or smaller) 26gauge metal with no creases in it looks tons better. Straight lines, bonderized maybe and painted "brick red" would look good. But the again, that was the cheaper faster way to do it so its all good.

jeremy-lvhm
04-10-2008, 07:25 PM
I definently dont think you should just strap to the brick! I just think that a 4"X6" (or smaller) 26gauge metal with no creases in it looks tons better. Straight lines, bonderized maybe and painted "brick red" would look good. But the again, that was the cheaper faster way to do it so its all good.

I don't know what your talking about creases but that is slimduct that is made for linesets. Its the standard now I'd say

AtticAce
04-10-2008, 10:06 PM
What happens when that wood under the handler gets wet and starts to rot?

Come on stop picking on him, it is his first job, besides the blower is inside the house. I think what you are describing would never be a problem over the course of the units life cycle.

My only comment is connecting the primary and secondary drains together is pointless. If the trap clogs the secondary will be useless, the pan drain is set up to do nothing, might as well not have a pan.

Landlords are a bummer, I know I am one, an unusual one, as I install only high efficiency units in my apartments. All of my renal units are low income.

jeremy-lvhm
04-10-2008, 10:57 PM
Come on stop picking on him, it is his first job, besides the blower is inside the house. I think what you are describing would never be a problem over the course of the units life cycle.

My only comment is connecting the primary and secondary drains together is pointless. If the trap clogs the secondary will be useless, the pan drain is set up to do nothing, might as well not have a pan.

Landlords are a bummer, I know I am one, an unusual one, as I install only high efficiency units in my apartments. All of my renal units are low income.

Thanks for sticking up for me. I know the drain line is pointless. I just did it for prosperity. Lol.

acmanhoney
04-10-2008, 11:07 PM
get some black wire ties man......please:mad:

jeremy-lvhm
04-10-2008, 11:21 PM
get some black wire ties man......please:mad:

I got a whole bunch of them. Care to tell me why they are better. Cause we all know how well they hold up over the years. Lol.

acmanhoney
04-11-2008, 07:50 PM
[QUOTE=jeremy-lvhm;1826524]I got a whole bunch of them. Care to tell me why they are better. Cause we all know how well they hold up over the years. Lol.[/QUOTE:p

electric tape =looks cheesy diyish
wire ties= tie down wires

what next, duct tape on the ducts?

jeremy-lvhm
04-11-2008, 09:31 PM
[QUOTE=jeremy-lvhm;1826524]I got a whole bunch of them. Care to tell me why they are better. Cause we all know how well they hold up over the years. Lol.[/QUOTE:p

electric tape =looks cheesy diyish
wire ties= tie down wires

what next, duct tape on the ducts?

Wire ties do a great job of crushing rubatex also and usually get brittle and break. Just as electrical tape holds everything in place better without having to tie them tight. Honestly I use both from time to time but I wouldnt say one is better than the other. I have seen duct tape used on linesets and think THAT looks cheap.

It's all a matter of opinion I think.

Random Guy
04-11-2008, 09:38 PM
Wrapping the lineset in a good quality UV resistant electrical tape seems like a good idea to me. I would think that it would protect that insulation stuff on the lineset.

jeremy-lvhm
04-11-2008, 09:53 PM
Actually rubatex is very corrosive to certain types of piping and is banned in alot of industrial plants I've worked at. But it is easy and quick so it has become a favorite in residential land. Honestly the tape and wire ties always get cooked anyway and end up needing replacement eventually. It's more for ease of holding the lines together while doing the installation more than anything. I also prefer any exposed low voltage wire to be covered in seal tite as well but I didnt have any on my truck that day.

ACmanhoney as you can see from his profile is a "supertech" so I doubt I can match wits with him. :rolleyes:

NGHTYRTE
04-11-2008, 10:08 PM
Wrapping the lineset in a good quality UV resistant electrical tape seems like a good idea to me. I would think that it would protect that insulation stuff on the lineset.

most people use black duct tape. wire tyes are ok. lot of new products. i sell a 1.5 in. plastic band that locks. fits 3/4x3/8-7/8x3/8, or 1-1/8x38 or 1/2 line set with a slot for up to 18/10 tstat wire. i have installed many sys.myself , how many times have you pulled in a line set and needed 3in more of t-stat wire.? taped-hard to pull. with this -no prob. cost .50 per. x30ft. =10 straps. wroth it ,and does look pro. and last longer.

acmanhoney
04-12-2008, 12:00 PM
Here it is. My first unit that I actually feel good enough to post here.

i just have very high standards around here, i dont install but i sell plenty and my installers must do top notch work and is must look as good as it runs, i want all my cust jobs to look perfect when we leave and run to spec,,

sorry bout the harshness but i would have my guys do it all over again but thats just me:D

jeremy-lvhm
04-12-2008, 12:53 PM
i just have very high standards around here, i dont install but i sell plenty and my installers must do top notch work and is must look as good as it runs, i want all my cust jobs to look perfect when we leave and run to spec,,

sorry bout the harshness but i would have my guys do it all over again but thats just me:D

I should have guessed your a salesman by all of your infinity remarks in the threads. Like I said if you think wire ties are the "proper" way to join copper pipe and wires together then whatever buddy.
I don't take a lot of offense when a salesman critiques real work. You guys live in a world of your own. I would bet your installers have a great opinion of you.

Lol

By all means show us some of your "perfection"

m-cooling
04-13-2008, 09:08 AM
I use wire ties,electrical tape, even duct tape untill a inspector busted my chopps about is it u.v. listed or not.

landlords want the cheapest price mostly and some I work with don't care what equipment it is.$$$ is their concern,not a new disconnect.:D

m-cooling
04-13-2008, 09:11 AM
to all the people talking smack, post up something that -lvhm can bust on YOU about.then it will be even.A picture of your desk at work perhaps we can say how messy it is.

jeremy-lvhm
04-13-2008, 10:06 AM
to all the people talking smack, post up something that -lvhm can bust on YOU about.then it will be even.A picture of your desk at work perhaps we can say how messy it is.

lol i don't mind the criticism except when it gets ridiculous. Like I said if you want to tell me something is wrong or right you better have anything to back with that your way is "proper".

Plus I don't take alot of offense when a person doesn't have jobs of his own posted up here to show me how "wonderful" his company does things.

He's a salesman. He cant help it. They think everything should look like the textbooks and brochures.
:rolleyes:



landlords want the cheapest price mostly and some I work with don't care what equipment it is.$$$ is their concern,not a new disconnect.:D

thank you. I'm glad someone understands that. Like I said the only reason I got a new whip and even the slim duct was that I didn't ask and just bought the stuff on his account. :D

acmanhoney
04-13-2008, 10:00 PM
defensive much?
im an 8 year tech and i sell alot of jobs too, we have salesman that know their stuff and some who dont own tools. In this industry we have the good the bad and the ugly, im sorry you chose to post the latter:D

i didnt post a crappy job saying how proud i was and asking for critique, so.......
lighten up, truth is its not a great install so dont blame me, i dont install but i can, i do service and sales. my installers(i have 1 who is a true craftsman) are trained on cust satisfaction also, when i spend 6-10 g's it better look good. we dont get the "lowest bidder" jobs so we dont have to cut corners or trade good looks just to get a job.

ill find some pics no prob, i know our installs are right so im not looking for approval.

good luck with your future installs. if youre gonna do it, just do it right

p.s. nice condensate line

jeremy-lvhm
04-13-2008, 10:27 PM
defensive much?
im an 8 year tech and i sell alot of jobs too, we have salesman that know their stuff and some who dont own tools. In this industry we have the good the bad and the ugly, im sorry you chose to post the latter:D

i didnt post a crappy job saying how proud i was and asking for critique, so.......
lighten up, truth is its not a great install so dont blame me, i dont install but i can, i do service and sales. my installers(i have 1 who is a true craftsman) are trained on cust satisfaction also, when i spend 6-10 g's it better look good. we dont get the "lowest bidder" jobs so we dont have to cut corners or trade good looks just to get a job.

ill find some pics no prob, i know our installs are right so im not looking for approval.

good luck with your future installs. if youre gonna do it, just do it right

p.s. nice condensate line

LOL you're just a big fish in a small pond. I have twice the time on you. And perhaps if you read the post completely you'll see that certain things were out of my control.

I was just as cocky when I had 8 years in too so I can't blame you. When you own the company then you can call them "your" customers. There are plenty of people here with more experience that you and I put together that haven't spouted the kind of utter nonsense that has come from your posts, that I will take advise and critique from long before you.

I have twice as much time in as you and have done everything from window units up to 2000 HP screw packages and ultra low temp vapor recovery. I'm not defensive. I just know better. When you get past the residential king phase of your career you'll see what I mean.

Get your pro membership and start joining in the pro forums with more than your simple, know it all, sarcastic remarks that I have seen from you so far in these forums. So far all I have seen is you either try to cut people down or sell carrier infinity systems. You sound like a broken record.

You want to set the tone with that way you talk down to people. You still have yet to give me any facts on your wire ties are made for line sets theory besides they "look better" There has always been more than one way to do things in this field. But people like you think there is only one way.

Personally I think if a guy like you IS so good and wants to come to the forums spouting his knowledge that you would be more than happy to show us the type of work we should all strive for and teach us your infinate wisdom. That you would proudly display who you work for since your obviously very proud of "your" company. Not all of us can be superstars

acmanhoney
04-13-2008, 10:38 PM
new guy 25year master cant even troubleshoot bad tstat, time is relative, not cocky, proud student of the trade. who sounds cocky?

jeremy-lvhm
04-13-2008, 10:44 PM
new guy 25year master cant even troubleshoot bad tstat, time is relative, not cocky, proud student of the trade. who sounds cocky?

I know time is relative believe me. But from your tone and remarks you seem to have a rather large chip on your shoulder. Especially when you come off with such damning remarks about someones work.

Like I said. It's ok. You know more than I do.

acmanhoney
04-13-2008, 10:49 PM
:confused:

Swampfox
04-14-2008, 08:28 AM
Not sure why anyone would post pictures of their work here, too many people just looking to tear others apart.

cobitech
04-14-2008, 08:36 AM
I agree with that.

It's the same reason why more people Lurk and do not get involved more here.

I can't wait to see some of acmanhoney's perfect install pics.

jeremy-lvhm
04-14-2008, 08:37 AM
Not sure why anyone would post pictures of their work here, too many people just looking to tear others apart.

Well it was my first and I was looking for some constructive critisism but little of that is avaiable I think. Too many "supertechs" LOL

Anyone that actually labels themselves with that title is just comical in my book.

I know the job was good for the situation it was in. But too many people here think their way is the only way

jeremy-lvhm
04-14-2008, 08:40 AM
I agree with that.

It's the same reason why more people Lurk and do not get involved more here.

I can't wait to see some of acmanhoney's perfect install pics.

Yes we do have alot of lurkers. :rolleyes:

You should be joining the pro too dude. I wish more people would participate, in a good way anyway.

dawg_30741
04-14-2008, 07:52 PM
Good Install

jeremy-lvhm
04-15-2008, 08:51 AM
My only comment is connecting the primary and secondary drains together is pointless. If the trap clogs the secondary will be useless, the pan drain is set up to do nothing, might as well not have a pan.


I just realized that I didn't pipe the drain lines together like I originally admitted too. I wasn't thinking. You were looking at the before pics..... I was thinking about it but the unions were too big too put next to each other on this setup :-)

The primary is piped out. And the secondary of the unit is piped down into the pan. There just wasn't enough room in this space to mess around with more lines than necessary. As I said the only think I will be changing is the pan drain that is pointed down at the ceiling. I have a float switch to install and the pan will get a plug.

acmanhoney
04-15-2008, 07:33 PM
thats the pic you should post :D:p

thought we were having fun man

jeremy-lvhm
04-15-2008, 07:43 PM
thats the pic you should post :D:p

thought we were having fun man

Hey the job was wrapped up so I took my pics. Never know if I'll have my camera after I install the float. I was just happy I could replace the damn sardine can setup as well as I did.

I'll try to do better for you next time bossman:D

AtticAce
04-15-2008, 10:09 PM
new guy 25year master cant even troubleshoot bad tstat, time is relative, not cocky, proud student of the trade. who sounds cocky?

The new guy with 25 years experiance is telling you a lie, he must have been a delivery guy.
I have 30 years in this business and I can trouble shoot most jobs on the phone by just talking to the customer.

Our company does NO advertising of any kind, all referals. Not one of our truck is lettered. Crazy huh!

Let me see your company stay in business with that marketing plan.
We have for the last 20 years. I will tell you we have a slow spot just after Christmas I use this time to hunt up a few rental properties to buy.

I rarely bid jobs, what I do is give folks the options with pricing, they choose at what level the work is done. If someone calls asking how much a service call is, I tell them $300, to get rid of them.

I do installs in which I use Goodman, for landlords or other price conscieious folks, my margin stays the same they only get a lower price because the equipment costs less.

Now here is my secret, I will do any job no matter how difficult, or complex it is. No matter how weird the building construction, I find literally no competition. My competitors want the wham bam thank you ma'am, throw another heater or cooling system in the house job.

My specialty is to remove the many gas or oil furnaces scattered around the house, and rid the folks of the 75 gallon or two 50 gallon water tanks.
We install a high efficiency boiler with air handlers with hot water coils, heated towel rails in the bathrooms, and a 45 gallon indirect water tank.

Then they get their bill, realise how wonderful a warm dry towel feels, and they tell two friends and so on.

I just finished this same install in Voorhees, NJ the HO told me they finally have a house that works. We removed 7.5 tons of cooling and a 200,000 btu oil furnace, now they have a 120,000 boiler and 5 tons of cooling.

I am doing his law partners house in two weeks.

y7turbo
04-16-2008, 12:09 AM
looks ok. few minor things but theres no point to talk about it.

marlboroman
04-16-2008, 12:30 AM
jeremy-lvhm - Just thought you should know that Tempstar would rather you install that drier as close to the evap coil as possible..

Nice install tho... You can tell you take pride in your work

jeremy-lvhm
04-16-2008, 12:41 AM
jeremy-lvhm - Just thought you should know that Tempstar would rather you install that drier as close to the evap coil as possible..

Nice install tho... You can tell you take pride in your work
Yes I know and we already covered that in a prevous post. I knew what I was doing and had my reasons.

As much as I hate putting them outside it seems the built in ones do fine in the ocu. Doesn't make much sense.

21degrees
04-16-2008, 04:12 AM
you can put the best Installers pics up and any tradesman should be able to find something wrong or something that could be better. But who gives a **** if you r happy with your work then live with it, if you r not then become a inspector and take it out on the guy that is. Inspector r good for 1 thing only and that is shuting the light off in the mechanical room when they leave.:eek:

m-cooling
04-16-2008, 08:07 AM
looks ok. few minor things but theres no point to talk about it.

ditto.Tempting not to tallk about though.judging by how long he says hes been in the biz,he already knows exactly what would make it look better.

jeremy-lvhm
04-16-2008, 08:29 AM
ditto.Tempting not to tallk about though.judging by how long he says hes been in the biz,he already knows exactly what would make it look better.

Hey you can comment. I don't know everything. But remember what we already covered the things I can't change because of the cheap landlord. But I'm always open to comments

kenJWheelington
04-17-2008, 12:34 AM
Good Job J. I'm Ameture. The Only Thing That Looked Strande To Me Is Drier Being Outside. I Know Ur Tired Of That Cment So Forget I Even Said It. But What I Want To Know Is How Long After You First Started You Were Able To Put A Unit Together Like The Back Of Your Hand?

m-cooling
04-17-2008, 06:57 AM
Hey you can comment. I don't know everything. But remember what we already covered the things I can't change because of the cheap landlord. But I'm always open to comments

run your electrical conduit down the wall and over to the unit strapped to the lineset.(I been failed for not doing that)Inspectors say that way kids can't go stepping on it.plus straight fitting are cheaper than elbows.come across the lineset and up in the unit with a straight.

Its too close to the door but you can't change that.

m-cooling
04-17-2008, 07:14 AM
dug up this old picture

hotntired
04-17-2008, 08:58 AM
I wouldn't give you a hard time about this job it looks OK other than this:

http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=6707&d=1207591038

The romex cable was too short and it looks like you wrapped the sheath-less section with electrical tape. That would need correction in my opinion. I've had my share of cheap landlords and I know that 6-2 w/G is about 2.25 per foot.
You could also take it in from a new knock-out on the top so that the length isn't an issue, if what I'm describing is actually the case.

There's a lot of things I would change in past jobs. Hind sight is 20/20. :)

jeremy-lvhm
04-17-2008, 01:09 PM
I wouldn't give you a hard time about this job it looks OK other than this:

http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=6707&d=1207591038

The romex cable was too short and it looks like you wrapped the sheath-less section with electrical tape. That would need correction in my opinion. I've had my share of cheap landlords and I know that 6-2 w/G is about 2.25 per foot.
You could also take it in from a new knock-out on the top so that the length isn't an issue, if what I'm describing is actually the case.

There's a lot of things I would change in past jobs. Hind sight is 20/20. :)

Actually the reason I did not put another knock out in is because the way these air handlers are set up I would never be able to get the heat package in or out. Its a very cramped unit. But anyway.

allan38
04-18-2008, 01:01 AM
Now you can all critique me

:eek:

A capped clean out uphill of the p-trap! Great! Much more maintainable than a 90.

You've made it easy to maintain, with good clearances around the condenser.

Decent work for the cheap landlord - limited budget.

Looks like you gave good value for the budget.

Perhaps a vent for the condensate drain downhill from the p-trap, could be done with a tee and 3 or 4 inches of pipe, instead of the coupling.

I actually prefer the wire ties as long as they're not crushing the armaflex.
With an unlimited budget, I'd prefer a separate liquid tight run for the t-stat wire, saves it from weed wackers and dogs. Doesn't look like much danger from either in this install.

They force us to use white armaflex paint on commercial work here. Stops the sun from rotting out the armaflex but is about $60??? a can. I would use it on every job if it were $5 a can.

Not bad work depending on the local code requirements. It would have most likely passed code inspection here.

Decent work.

jeremy-lvhm
04-20-2008, 03:57 PM
Now get this. I talked to the landlord yesterday and he already (hasn't even paid the bill yet) says on the next job he wants to replace the compressor instead of a new unit because the cost was so high. :rolleyes:

I tried to tell him its up to him but these old carriers are a ***** to replace compressors on and I personally don't recommend it. But he is upset because a few years ago he could put in Goodman condensers for under a grand and this was alot more...

Am I wrong? I haven't done a compressor on one of these carrier Qs but I am sure some of you have.

fv_tom
04-20-2008, 07:19 PM
I don't know what your talking about creases but that is slimduct that is made for linesets. Its the standard now I'd say

Customers have been very happy with how slimduct looks on the installs I have used it for.

Hespy22
11-16-2008, 03:53 PM
no critiquing needed...ok maybe a little bit..but there cant always be a perfect job..but you can always do your best with what you have

jeremy-lvhm
11-16-2008, 04:06 PM
no critiquing needed...ok maybe a little bit..but there cant always be a perfect job..but you can always do your best with what you have

Thats all I try to do. I know that job wasnt perfect . No jobs are completely perfect and I am the first to notice issues. Especially when it comes to ductwork since I have to field assemble most things and they dont always make me happy. But I can say all of my customers have been happy with my products so far. Thats all that matters to me.

aircooled53
11-19-2008, 11:29 AM
Now you can all critique me

:eek:

I would say if your happy with the work you did, and customer is satisfied , then why worry about a bunch of hvac hackers..;)

Texas-Tech
11-19-2008, 08:28 PM
Here in Houston I never see any lineset covers like that, looks like a rain gutter downspout. Personally I like it more then the traditional sheet metal cover attached to the side of the house.

Good job

jeremy-lvhm
11-19-2008, 10:02 PM
Here in Houston I never see any lineset covers like that, looks like a rain gutter downspout. Personally I like it more then the traditional sheet metal cover attached to the side of the house.

Good job

http://slimduct.com/