Crime might kill you in Texas!

[air2spare]

That's right, come to Texas and play the fool and we'll introduce you to your maker :D

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080104/ap_on_re_us/texas_death_penalty

[RoBoTeq]

To those who make the absurd claim that execution has never detered crime, the executed criminal will never commit another crime.

[oloenneker]

To those who make the absurd claim that execution has never detered crime, the executed criminal will never commit another crime.


What if the supposed executed "criminal" actually never committed the crime in the first place?


Ahhh, Eff, them, light them up anyways, huh?

[duckman373]

Like Ron White says, In Texas, we'll kill you back.

[classical]

Oleo it is very infrequent that a purely innocent man is convicted of a crime especially a capital offense. A person generally is not picked up and questioned unless they have a criminal history.

I would never want to see an innocent person executed but I also don't wish to see another situation where a killer is let loose and truly innocent people are killed.

Most of the wrongfully convicted people are from decades past and newer technology and oversite capabilites wrongful convictions are becoming less likely.

[bootlen]

What if the supposed executed "criminal" actually never committed the crime in the first place?


Ahhh, Eff, them, light them up anyways, huh?

Hey. Ole, (God forbid) if anyone is ever murdered in you family, just call the insurance company. They'll be replaced.:cool:

[allan38]

Oleo it is very infrequent that a purely innocent man is convicted of a crime especially a capital offense. A person generally is not picked up and questioned unless they have a criminal history.

I would never want to see an innocent person executed but I also don't wish to see another situation where a killer is let loose and truly innocent people are killed.

Most of the wrongfully convicted people are from decades past and newer technology and oversite capabilites wrongful convictions are becoming less likely.

Less likely, any likelyhood of a wrongful execution is unacceptable.

What is worse, for a guilty person to go free and no one is punished for the crime or an innocent person to be wrongly convicted and executed for the guilty person's crime?

In the second case two innocent people have died and two killers are free, one killer is a person and the other killer is the state.


Sentencing an innocent person to death to pay for the crime of another seems to be the greater crime. It doesn't matter how heinous the crime is.
Sentencing an innocent person to death to pay for it is worse than the original crime.

It's bad enough when a family member is killed for a few bucks.

It's worse when a family member is wrongly accused of a crime, spends all of the family money trying to defend him/her and then is executed.

How do you feel if the innocent person is you?

I'd rather a thousand guilty persons go free instead of me being executed for a crime I didn't commit.

How may guilty people are you willing to die in place of so the victims of the crime will have closure, justice will be done and people will feel safe?

My answer is zero.
Since my answer is zero then I cannot demand that others do differently.

You can find the guilty and incarcerate them. How do you free the innocent if you've killed them?

[jpb2]

alan for what you say I understand your conviction. I just think this judicial handcuffing and gereral lack of respect for law has gone too far. If the lights dim at my house 5 times a night as a dirtbag dies so be it. A 17 year old here with a 10 mile long record was in the penn for shooting his x's boyfriend came up dead in prison yesterday. Good riddance less outa the tax payers pocket to support that maggot

[scrogdog]

Oleo it is very infrequent that a purely innocent man is convicted of a crime especially a capital offense.

Since 1973, 126 death row inmates have been released.

The most recent is of Jonathon Hoffman, No. 126, of North Carolina, on December 11, 2007.

Given that, how many innocents have died do you think?

Infrequent? If we take the life of even a single innocent man, would you call that murder? If not, why not?

But if we only murder infrequently, it becomes ok with you?

[jpb2]

due process is necessary. But if it takes a perfect system my children will not have the world to explore that i want them to. Too many scumbags walk. The intention of many is soak the rich with tax and look the other way for the "less fortunate" person who by their own choice becomes a criminal. The system is just a sissy court now time to kick ass and get this republic back. Life's not fair. the choices you make determine your outcome

[classical]

Less likely, any likelyhood of a wrongful execution is unacceptable.

What is worse, for a guilty person to go free and no one is punished for the crime or an innocent person to be wrongly convicted and executed for the guilty person's crime?

In the second case two innocent people have died and two killers are free, one killer is a person and the other killer is the state.


Sentencing an innocent person to death to pay for the crime of another seems to be the greater crime. It doesn't matter how heinous the crime is.
Sentencing an innocent person to death to pay for it is worse than the original crime.
It's bad enough when a family member is killed for a few bucks.

It's worse when a family member is wrongly accused of a crime, spends all of the family money trying to defend him/her and then is executed.

How do you feel if the innocent person is you?

I'd rather a thousand guilty persons go free instead of me being executed for a crime I didn't commit.

How may guilty people are you willing to die in place of so the victims of the crime will have closure, justice will be done and people will feel safe?

My answer is zero.
Since my answer is zero then I cannot demand that others do differently.

You can find the guilty and incarcerate them. How do you free the innocent if you've killed them?



Being from Austin you should know about Kenneth Alan McDuff he should have been executed before 1972 but he was not. Then the liberal bleeding heart liberals like you decided that the death penalty was unconstitutional. His sentence was commuted to life then because another bleeding heart liberal judge said our prisons were overcrowded Duff was released.

Upon his release McDuff started up with his killing ways and killed at least five more young women before he was caught. We will never know how many he actually killed. If it had been me Judge Justice would have died for those murders as well as McDuff.

As I said very few that have been convicted of capital crimes are not lily white virgins with any criminal history. I would rather error on the side of a person innocent of a capital crime but still a criminal die than true innocents die.

I would be willing to except life without the probability of parole instead of the death penalty if the person would never get out of prison guaranteed. Unfortunately some bleeding heart liberal will com along and let the scum out of prison to kill and rape again.

You say you would rather see 1000 guilty go free rather than see one innocent die. Well lets take the case of McDuff if each of those 1000 are released then kill as McDuff does that would be 5000 dead innocents. Now tell me which you prefer.

[air2spare]

thats hypothetical, what if he did commit the crime?





What if the supposed executed "criminal" actually never committed the crime in the first place?


Ahhh, Eff, them, light them up anyways, huh?

[RoBoTeq]

What if the supposed executed "criminal" actually never committed the crime in the first place?


Ahhh, Eff, them, light them up anyways, huh?

This already over exaggerated excuse is even more irrelevant with todays methods of proving guilt.

I agree that if there is a shadow of a doubt of a persons guilt that person should not be put to death. There are just too many persons in prisons, being used as a comodoty for the prison system, that need to be put out of everyone's misery.

[jpb2]

All non violent drug ofenders should be set free. This is provided they did not push on kids and only used for their own recreation and had no il effect on anyone else and took no social welfare .It's their business leave them alone

[duckman373]

Are you Libertarian?

[jpb2]

yes. But i viamantly disagree on the party stance in regards to the war and pulling out the troops. Smaller government and the Fair tax could save this great nation

[RoBoTeq]

I am not a Libertarian and I agree that jailed drug users who commited no other crime then being stupid enough to do drugs need to be set free.

[scrogdog]

Niether am I but I think I am becoming one more and more.

I agree.

[oilman]

I feel the only way the death penalty should be used is if there was absolutely no question that the person did it. IE: it's on tape, there was 50 witnesses, etc. etc. Or, if he confesses. Whatever. BUT- here's the way it should be done- if the Judge decrees the defendant is to recieve death, the defendant should be immediately led out of the courtroom , taken out to the parking lot and shot dead.

If there is ANY question that the man did it, then no death penalty. Too many poor, ignorant, unsofisticated dopes have been railroaded due to poor lawyering.

[bootlen]

Exactly, oilman. The day of sentencing should be the day of execution.

[allan38]

If they railroad you fast enough, there will be no doubt of your guilt.

127 innocents have been freed from death row who would have been executed if they were shot immediately after trial.

The alternative to execution is incarceration, not freedom.

The jails are not crowded because of murderers, they're crowded because of non-violent offenders. It's because we've made too many things someone dislikes a crime.
People are being jailed for bullsh!t.

If the system under the current laws let a predator go free and he killed others then the death penalty wouldn't have killed him, he wouldn't have been sentenced to die. This is misplaced anger and a false comparison.

We must have a society of laws, this society should not prevent self defense.

It's easy to throw a liberal label on anyone who disagrees with you and doesn't toe the classical conservative - pro-death penalty line.

I'd prefer we were all armed and trained on how and when to use weapons, with no prohibitions on where we can carry weapons.

Big brother cannot take care of you.
We can take care of ourselves and each other.
I don't want a society of sheeple waiting for the wolves to move in for the slaughter .

An armed populace tends to kill off wolves.

[hvactech13]

If they railroad you fast enough, there will be no doubt of your guilt.

127 innocents have been freed from death row who would have been executed if they were shot immediately after trial.

The alternative to execution is incarceration, not freedom.

The jails are not crowded because of murderers, they're crowded because of non-violent offenders. It's because we've made too many things someone dislikes a crime.
People are being jailed for bullsh!t.

If the system under the current laws let a predator go free and he killed others then the death penalty wouldn't have killed him, he wouldn't have been sentenced to die. This is misplaced anger and a false comparison.

We must have a society of laws, this society should not prevent self defense.

It's easy to throw a liberal label on anyone who disagrees with you and doesn't toe the classical conservative - pro-death penalty line.

I'd prefer we were all armed and trained on how and when to use weapons, with no prohibitions on where we can carry weapons.

Big brother cannot take care of you.
We can take care of ourselves and each other.
I don't want a society of sheeple waiting for the wolves to move in for the slaughter .

An armed populace tends to kill off wolves.

You acting in self defense could be argued as the same as the Government executing the guilty (or innocent patsy), the only difference is that you become the judge, jury, and executioner. If you defended yourself and the witnesses were friends or relatives of the person you killed defending yourself do you honestly think they would tell the truth at your trial for murder?

When they lie at the trial you will be sentenced to death with witnesses to your crime. You will then be led out to the parking lot and executed. You will be innocent, but no less dead.

[air2spare]

When they lie at the trial you will be sentenced to death with witnesses to your crime. You will then be led out to the parking lot and executed. You will be innocent, but no less dead.[/QUOTE]


So you don't believe in the death penalty because of the possibility of an unfair trail but yet its better to let him live out the rest of his life in a 10x10 cell with a bunch of other undesirable sodomites who probably didn't get a fair trail either? I'd rather be dead

[classical]

If the system under the current laws let a predator go free and he killed others then the death penalty wouldn't have killed him, he wouldn't have been sentenced to die. This is misplaced anger and a false comparison.

Kenneth Alan McDuff was scheduled to die and a liberal congress outlawed the death penalty then his sentence was commuted. How does that match up to your statement.

Many killers have been released over the years because of liberal courts and the ACLU. We are lucky Coral Eugene Watts wasn't put back on the streets because the law wouldn't allow for pertinent facts into evidence into trial so Texas had to take plea to lesser charges instead of the death penalty he deserved.

I still don't believe that those that are exonerated from death row are all innocent of any crime.

I personally think that habitual criminals should be put to death and anyone that is convicted of more than one murder also. If you kill and it is not self defense or an accident you should forfeit your life. If you are in prison and you kill a guard or another inmate immediate execution.

[hvactech13]

So you don't believe in the death penalty because of the possibility of an unfair trail but yet its better to let him live out the rest of his life in a 10x10 cell with a bunch of other undesirable sodomites who probably didn't get a fair trail either? I'd rather be dead

I'm at a loss as to how you gleaned that parcel of information from what I wrote.

Allen38 wrote:
"127 innocents have been freed from death row who would have been executed if they were shot immediately after trial.

The alternative to execution is incarceration, not freedom."
And then talked about everyone being armed and defending themselves, all I did was state how self defense could be used against him to make him into an innocent being executed.

When someone is found guilty of a capital offense I think they should have 1 appeal with a 2 year deadline. If they are found guilty at the appeal take them out and let them dangle off of a rope. They should also show the execution on TV so these punks and wannabe toughguys can see exactly what crime pays.

[air2spare]

not a jab at you... 3rd person type statement

I love my capital punishment brothas ;)