Ron Paul

[EarthLoop]

Ron Baby!~!!

[mrs reb77]

Do you have a statement, sentiment or something to share? That's a very odd post.
Did it have a meaning?

[jmac00]

Do you have a statement, sentiment or something to share? That's a very odd post.
Did it have a meaning?


must of had a need to "express himself" :confused::confused::rolleyes:;)

[mrs reb77]

Kinda sounded like that fella that did the basketball commentary

Yeeaaah baby!

[EarthLoop]

Thought I could start a good whine session with those two words:)

He does seem at this point to have a nice stand on a lot of issues and there isn't much competition to speak of at this point...

unless you want to vote for the "I will never use nukes and will kill all christians" Obama or the "health care fix is easy just ask Bill" Hillary chick

Happy new year everybody:):):):):):)

[duckman373]

Anyone find it odd that Ross Perot, and Ron Paul have the same initials, and are from Texas? Oh, and in a year, they may both be remembered for giving the Dems the White House.

[mrs reb77]

He won't go anywhere, he is a fringe candidate at best and you know what happens with fringe.

I'd say he's a weirdo as well but I don't know him that well. I stopped listening after finding out the conspiracy theorists supported him and he may support them....nowhere man, nowhere.

[mrs reb77]

Anyone find it odd that Ross Perot, and Ron Paul have the same initials, and are from Texas? Oh, and in a year, they may both be remembered for giving the Dems the White House.

Ross Perot is actually H. Ross Perot. Not that it means anything but, I worked for his company back in the '80's. Not actually an experience I would like to repeat.

[duckman373]

I hope you're right. A lot of speculation that he will run in the general as an Independant.

[hvacbear]

Ron Paul would probably be good but it really looks like he will not get the nomination, if not he should drop out.

[The Doctor]

He got 5th place in Iowa caucuses, or is it cauci? :D. That's "also ran" territory.

Oh well, looks like four more years of policing the world, and mortgaging our children with huge debt. Look at the bright side--universal health care :eek: ,
plenty more reasons to study the Spanish language, more taxes, and all systems go for an increase in the size of the federal government.

Just don't blame me, I voted for the candidate who believes in individual responsibility and individual liberty.
Sounds like the masses think that's a fringe idea :rolleyes:

[Johnny Law]

Thought I could start a good whine session with those two words:)

He does seem at this point to have a nice stand on a lot of issues and there isn't much competition to speak of at this point...

unless you want to vote for the "I will never use nukes and will kill all christians" Obama or the "health care fix is easy just ask Bill" Hillary chick

Happy new year everybody:):):):):):)
When Ron talks he looks and sounds like Festus on Gunsmoke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6FfHhamRFs

[hvacbear]

He got 5th place in Iowa caucuses, or is it cauci? :D. That's "also ran" territory.

Oh well, looks like four more years of policing the world, and mortgaging our children with huge debt. Look at the bright side--universal health care :eek: ,
plenty more reasons to study the Spanish language, more taxes, and all systems go for an increase in the size of the federal government.

Just don't blame me, I voted for the candidate who believes in individual responsibility and individual liberty.
Sounds like the masses think that's a fringe idea :rolleyes:

I believe that Ron Paul should win in a landslide. The fact that he is so behind makes me wonder if common sense is on it's deathbed (maybe a slow boat to China).
I don't agree with everything he says, but he uses common sense and his plans are simple. It seems that we try to complicate government way
too much.

[The Doctor]

I believe that Ron Paul should win in a landslide. The fact that he is so behind makes me wonder if common sense is on it's deathbed (maybe a slow boat to China).
I don't agree with everything he says, but he uses common sense and his plans are simple. It seems that we try to complicate government way
too much.

THere are going to be plenty of ideas for all candidates with which we'll disagree. Ron Paul just happens to think that we can use the Constitution to approach all matters, even those on tech curves, etc.

I second that motion.
It's still early in the race, and he just might charge through the haze if the message gets out. We have work to do. :D

[jmac00]

Even if Ron Paul gains the Presidency, I doubt he will be able to accomplish anything.

He will have to over come "lifers" like Ted Kennedy, Louis Slaughter, Chuck Schummer and a host of other lifers.

They will not let Ron do anything, even if it's good for there constituents, pride and ego will get in the way

[Collin]

There are a few things about Americans I have a hard time comprehending and Ted Kennedy getting elected, let alone re-elected, is way up there.:rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Hmm. I'll get flack for this but my personal thoughts are that the guy is a fringe fruit and nut cake. Tis the season for such maybe but I wouldn't want them running the country. He reminds me of the nerd/geek in school who couldn't get anyone to listen to him and sounds so....strident when making a point. And then, the point loses the point. I've not seem him speak with any eloquence so speak of, guess I haven't seen the things others are speaking of.

Reminds me a great deal too of Ross Perot and all his charts back in the day. Ross could run a business but I doubt it would've worked with the country. Same with trying to run this country strictly by a document written several hundred years ago. I doesn't cover today, it's only a guideline.

[mrs reb77]

Oh, and not to mention the fringe elements that seem to support Mr. Paul in his quest. Guilt by association.

[k-fridge]

There are a few things about Americans I have a hard time comprehending and Ted Kennedy getting elected, let alone re-elected, is way up there.:rolleyes:
I am an American and I can't comprehend it either.

But I don't understand why two other guys from Massachusetts keep getting re-elected either.

[bootlen]

There are a few things about Americans I have a hard time comprehending and Ted Kennedy getting elected, let alone re-elected, is way up there.:rolleyes:

Now, Collin. Yer talkin' Mass. Not America.

[Collin]

So I can assume the Mayor of New Orleans fall under the same category.:D

[jmac00]

There are a few things about Americans I have a hard time comprehending and Ted Kennedy getting elected, let alone re-elected, is way up there.:rolleyes:


Come to Massachusetts, my parents have a "summer place" in the Berkshire Mountains, I swear, you not be able to find one person that likes Ted Kennedy?

Now if your in Boston, and you say something bad about the Kennedy's you best be wearing body armor :confused:

The only thing I can say is, if Teddy wants to take you for a ride in a car, I wouldn't go:rolleyes::p;)

[k-fridge]

So I can assume the Mayor of New Orleans fall under the same category.:D
Nah, the guys from Mass are at least semi-intelligent.

[The Doctor]

Hmm. I'll get flack for this but my personal thoughts are that the guy is a fringe fruit and nut cake. Tis the season for such maybe but I wouldn't want them running the country. Well who would give you flack for having an opinion? Having read your opinion and vehemently disagreeing with you still does not make you want to give you flack. Now perhaps we can discuss what ideas you find offensive.
He reminds me of the nerd/geek in school who couldn't get anyone to listen to him and sounds so....strident when making a point. Now maybe this will sound like flack, but dont' take it the wrong way. It requires a longer attention span than most of us are accustomed to using with these candidates. Face it, they are crammed into soundbites, and Ron Paul is not a sound bite guy.
And then, the point loses the point. I've not seem him speak with any eloquence so speak of, guess I haven't seen the things others are speaking of.

Reminds me a great deal too of Ross Perot and all his charts back in the day. Ross could run a business but I doubt it would've worked with the country. Same with trying to run this country strictly by a document written several hundred years ago. I doesn't cover today, it's only a guideline.
Now I will be more than happy to give you flack on that last part. It most certainly does cover today. For example, in the case of rogue groups acting aggressively against our nation, as opposed to a nation flat out declaring war against us, you seem to think that the Constitution doesn't cover that, right? Then may I ask you what Constitutional means our nation used against the Barbary pirates? I'll not let the cat out of the bag just yet. You will discover, should you choose to accept the mission of finding that answer out, that there is already in the original document a means for dealing with that kind of scenario. And for that matter, we used it in the 19th century. Some things change, some do not. Terrorism is not something new, and the country's founders were not simple boobs, fringe nut jobs, or fruit cakes either. As a matter of fact, they faced rogue groups just as we do today. And Ron Paul has stated unequivocally that he would protect this nation if we were threatened.

[RoBoTeq]

Come to Massachusetts, my parents have a "summer place" in the Berkshire Mountains, I swear, you not be able to find one person that likes Ted Kennedy?

Now if your in Boston, and you say something bad about the Kennedy's you best be wearing body armor :confused:

The only thing I can say is, if Teddy wants to take you for a ride in a car, I wouldn't go:rolleyes::p;)

While working in Boston and surrounding areas a few years ago I decided to antagonize Bostonians by making disparaging comments about Ted Kennedy at bars at night. I could not find any Bostonians who liked Kennedy. Really makes me wonder who the heck actually votes for the jerk.

[RoBoTeq]

Ron Paul is just spewing out stuff that most Americans would like to see done but in reality simply cannot be done. In that manner, Ron Paul is simply a Charlotin selling what he doesn't actually have.

[hvacbear]

Usually we are pretty close not on this one........


[QUOTE=mrs reb77;1718751]Hmm. I'll get flack for this but my personal thoughts are that the guy is a fringe fruit and nut cake. Tis the season for such maybe but I wouldn't want them running the country. He reminds me of the nerd/geek in school who couldn't get anyone to listen to him and sounds so....strident when making a point. And then, the point loses the point. I've not seem him speak with any eloquence so speak of, guess I haven't seen the things others are speaking of.

Why are we are so caught up in the TV generation that we think eloquence = some sort of credibility? A lot of good ideas come from those who are not so eloquent.



Reminds me a great deal too of Ross Perot and all his charts back in the day. Ross could run a business but I doubt it would've worked with the country. Same with trying to run this country strictly by a document written several hundred years ago. I doesn't cover today, it's only a guideline.

The one thing is kind of nice about it: you know the foundation of Ron Paul's philosophy because it is in writhing and he has voted according to it for years. You’d be really hard pressed to find that with any of the other candidates.

So why do Ron Paul’s ideas sound so weird? I think that it is because professional politicians have made a living by making government seem extremely complex. The truth is we create the complexity by layering everything in needless bureaucracy, simply if we remove the bureaucracy we remove complexity as we do.

Just my .02 with no flack directed :)

[The Doctor]

Ron Paul is just spewing out stuff that most Americans would like to see done but in reality simply cannot be done. In that manner, Ron Paul is simply a Charlotin selling what he doesn't actually have.

It's not reality for a (Huckabee)Christian man to expect people to pay with tax money for things that are not outlined in the Constitution.

If you would like to pay for other people's health care, and would like to continue to rebuild the Middle East in your image, then by all means use your own money. Leave me alone.

If you're happy with inflation and convinced that printing more money is the way to solve our problems, while at the same time we borrow (by selling U.S. gov't bonds) $80 billion dollars a day from overseas investors, then by all means continue to provide political cover for the Federal Reserve. It is neither Federal, nor is it a Reserve.

So who is the charlatan? I think we can do better than mortgaging our children and grandchildren when the best option is a matter of individual responsibility and of individual liberty, not the collectivism so often touted in the media and in the mainstream way of thinking.

Ron Paul is bringing to our attention that the Constitution is still relevant.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[sarge]

Ron Paul is just spewing out stuff that most Americans would like to see done but in reality simply cannot be done. In that manner, Ron Paul is simply a Charlotin selling what he doesn't actually have.

As far as the power to get things done, none of them have it. And besides, when was the last time the government did "something" that was good for the working person?

Most of the time when something is done, it is done to the working people, as in screw them.

If you are satisfied with the way the system operates nowadays, then go with the big money, like Huckabee, Obama, Clinton, etc or you could take a chance and see if a different approach will work.

"Ron Paul is a fringe candidate and his supporters are conspirisy theorist." Yeah, that is what the media, the government, the enviromentalist, big oil, big money, Hollywood, the globalists, the religious right, and the rest of the elite want Americans to think so the quest for world domination will not be detered.;)

I will bet that no matter what goes down this winter/spring, Hillary will be the winner. :eek:

[RoBoTeq]

Sorry, but while I agree that all politicians blow smoke up our collective butts about their intentions, Ron Paul just creates more smoke then I consider credible.

All he can do to affect this election is to take away Republican votes and get Obama or Clinton elected.

[Johnny Law]

There are a few things about New Englanders I have a hard time comprehending and Ted Kennedy getting elected, let alone re-elected, is way up there.:rolleyes:

There. I edited it for you.

[mrs reb77]

From the Ron Paul website:

Today, we face a new threat of widespread eminent domain actions as a result of powerful interests who want to build a NAFTA superhighway through the United States from Mexico to Canada.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/701/the-nafta-superhighway/

So. I read other places that this superhighway is a conspiracy theory style figment of imagination.
What's the truth gentlemen?

[mrs reb77]

With very little searching: http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

Read and decide for yourself.
I know what I think.

[k-fridge]

Something the Paul supporters should think about...

It's pretty clear that congress will remain under control of the Democrats; even if Paul won the presidency, how much cooperation will he get from congress?

Zip-Nada

[jmac00]

well, this should get real interesting

Ron is "suppose" to be an Leno tonight

[Johnny Law]

well, this should get real interesting

Ron is "suppose" to be an Leno tonight

Fetus from Gunsmoke

[k-fridge]

Fetus from Gunsmoke

LOL. It's Festus goofball.

[mrs reb77]

Oh, now I get it!

[jmac00]

Fetus from Gunsmoke


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fetus????????????????????????

[comfort dog]

After the last 8 years, Ron Paul would seem like a genius.....:p

[The Doctor]

From the Ron Paul website:

Today, we face a new threat of widespread eminent domain actions as a result of powerful interests who want to build a NAFTA superhighway through the United States from Mexico to Canada.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/701/the-nafta-superhighway/

So. I read other places that this superhighway is a conspiracy theory style figment of imagination.
What's the truth gentlemen?

what's your point? It is reality. http://www.kcsmartport.com/index.htm

Just because it's not built by men in black suits wearing sunglasses with one hand in their suit jacket takes nothing away from the improper use of our nation's sovereignty in the process. An e-mail from the president of the Smart Port, Chris Gutierrez (obtained under the Missouri Sunshine Law) reveals that the Mexican customs port "would need to be designated as Mexican sovereign territory."
It is not complete with black helos. It need not be to abuse the sovereignty of our nation. Do you want Mexican sovereign territory in the middle of your country? I do not.
It is commonly known as I-35. Welcome to the terrordome. :p

[jmac00]

what's your point? It is reality. An e-mail from the president of the Smart Port, Chris Gutierrez (obtained under the Missouri Sunshine Law) reveals that the Mexican customs port "would need to be designated as Mexican sovereign territory."

why? whats the point of making this "port" mexican property? I don't get it????????:confused::confused:

[royc]

There is so much I wanted write about, but instead will post this link that says it better then I could.....

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo137.html


Roy

[jmac00]

Ron Paul is looking better all the time, unfortunately, as i all ready stated. Even is he wins the Presidency, he will be unable to accomplish anything. The "lifers" in congress will not permit change, especially if it betters the populace. The "lifers" don't like to lose power, and thats exactly what Ron Paul is proposing

The ONLY way things will change is if WE THE PEOPLE expel all the "lifers" in Congress

[mrs reb77]

what's your point? It is reality. http://www.kcsmartport.com/index.htm

Just because it's not built by men in black suits wearing sunglasses with one hand in their suit jacket takes nothing away from the improper use of our nation's sovereignty in the process. An e-mail from the president of the Smart Port, Chris Gutierrez (obtained under the Missouri Sunshine Law) reveals that the Mexican customs port "would need to be designated as Mexican sovereign territory."
It is not complete with black helos. It need not be to abuse the sovereignty of our nation. Do you want Mexican sovereign territory in the middle of your country? I do not.
It is commonly known as I-35. Welcome to the terrordome. :p

Building a new super highway on the sly and using those already in existence--that's my point which obviously was missed....:rolleyes:

[The Doctor]

Building a new super highway on the sly and using those already in existence--that's my point which obviously was missed....:rolleyes:

The point is taken and noted. It's about our country's ability to control its own destiny. In related news, the trilateral agreement for things like influenza are to be controlled by a joint commission, with each country's minister(Canada, U.S., and Mexico respectively) making decisions once every three years, that's one year each for the decision making. These decisions will affect all three countries.

Do you want a Canadian making decisions about whether you should be getting a booster shot or whathaveyou?
How about the other country? Do you want their people making decisions that are legally binding on our country?
I don't .

It's not that I missed your point. It's just such a small part of the bigger picture of the yielding of our own nation's sovereignty a little here, a little there. The SPP and the superhighway are just another piece of the puzzle.
Funny part is, I am not crazy about a fence, because we'd be fenced in. I'm not down with that. But I digress.
I know what I think.
And I don't care one whit about Canada or Mexico.

[RoBoTeq]

I'VE GOT IT!

We build a super highway from Mexico all the way to Canada and fence it in with no off ramps.

[mrs reb77]

There ya go!

I still don't see us 'losing our sovereignty' after reading the link I provided. There must be some sections I don't see. There is nothing in there that I found linking us to a union with Canada and Mexico or an American Union instead of the separate nations.

[Collin]

And I don't care one whit about Canada or Mexico.

Then I suggest you research where a majority of your imported oil comes from.

[The Doctor]

There ya go!

I still don't see us 'losing our sovereignty' after reading the link I provided. There must be some sections I don't see. There is nothing in there that I found linking us to a union with Canada and Mexico or an American Union instead of the separate nations.

Guess you're all read up. One link and you're good to go. Yeah, there are some sections you don't see, since you only will read ONE LINK.

Try the one I provided-- the proper name which was not referenced is the "International Partnership on Avian and Pandemic Influenza" (September 14, 2005) It is from a speech George Bush gave in the U.N. General Assembly .
Try KCSmartPort. Dig around a little in there. It is after all your stomping grounds.
Try Vicente Fox on Larry King ( on Mr. Fox's book promo tour)admitting that there is a trade union planned for all the Americas, and a regional currency.

Just don't try one link and tell me you don't see a problem, unless you would check out the quotes these men (Fox, Bush, etc.) utter.

Still not saying there's this grand conspiracy with black helos and men in black. It's quite simple.
Currencies and free trade are preferable , but not at the expense of our nation's sovereignty.

[The Doctor]

Then I suggest you research where a majority of your imported oil comes from.

I'm talking about NOT allowing U.S. folks to dictate to Mexico and Canada how and when they'll be taking booster shots during influenza and avian pandemics.

I don't think you'd like it, and neither would I if other countries were making legally binding decisions about my immunization and health decisions.

That has nothing to do with oil. That's all I'm talking about. This is not about whether the Ron Paul people offer free trade with regard to oil. It is well-known that Canada is our biggest exporter of oil. Again, don't mistake my focus on binding agreements on health with free trade at large.

[mrs reb77]

Oh, I read much more than that one link, sorry you took it that way.
I also don't wear a tinfoil hat.

You have an e-mail stating this would need to be Mexican territory but I don't find it on the website you provided.
I did find:
# Secure the support of the Mexican Consul General in Kansas City
# Secure the support of the Canadian Consul General in Chicago
among other statements that don't alarm me...KC is across the entire state from me.

I don't watch Larry King. He will interview anyone thinking they are newsworthy, I hear Paris Hilton was even interviewed.

[mrs reb77]

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2005/53865.htm

I think promoting WORLD HEALTH is commendable. Then again, I don't think they're out to get me.

[mrs reb77]

Interesting reading when you google ALCA.

http://www.ftaa-alca.org/alca_e.asp

:rolleyes:

[The Doctor]

(Mrs. Reb 77)after reading the link I provided. There must be some sections I don't see.

Still haven't donned the tinfoil hat, but I hear they work great for TV reception. :D


You have an e-mail stating this would need to be Mexican territory but I don't find it on the website you provided

It was mentioned in a correspondence in an issue of Chronicles magazine (the latest DT edition).

promoting WORLD HEALTH is commendable
...until my choices are limited or mandated by government officials. And for the record, that would be whether it was a Canadian, U.S., or Mexican official. Furthermore, they're not out to get anyone. It's the concept that social engineering is the cureall that troubles me. But this is what seems to separate libertarian-minded Republicans from "conservative" ones I think. Just like free trade not FED-regulated trade is optimal, so free decision-making (as long as one does not injure or harm another person) is optimal, IMO.
Whether or not you can make jokes about tinhat crowds, or people out to get you is cute and all, but does nothing to advance individual responsbility or individual liberty.

And Larry King is in it for the money. What a person says on his show is still a matter of record.

[royc]

Try reading this, if you dont see a problem then There is no point....

http://www.ftaa-alca.org/FTAADraft03/ChapterI_e.asp


Roy

[mrs reb77]

Just because someone "professes" on Larry King that something is afoot with someone else doesn't mean it is truthful.
:rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

Try reading this, if you dont see a problem then There is no point....

http://www.ftaa-alca.org/FTAADraft03/ChapterI_e.asp


Roy

Already had that site. I also notice that it is Nothing New. This is not a new thing. This was not started by Bush.
This isn't the "taking over of our country" as has been suggested...

[The Doctor]

Try reading this, if you dont see a problem then There is no point....

http://www.ftaa-alca.org/FTAADraft03/ChapterI_e.asp


Roy

Thanks for the link Roy. I got about a page into it, and I think it sums up the regional planning aspect. We'll see, no?

[The Doctor]

Already had that site. I also notice that it is Nothing New. This is not a new thing. This was not started by Bush.
This isn't the "taking over of our country" as has been suggested...

I agree with you in part, and would add that it's not necessarily a matter of some cloak-and-dagger style effort in the shadows.
But will our nation be held subject, as we would with Kyoto, to the agreements which are only designed to unite us in free trade? That is, will those overstep their boundaries? There are some people, whom you seem to infer are tinhatters, who are raising questions about the lack of transparency on just some of the fronts.

Truthfulness in politicians is like hair on a frog--it may be there, but it's going to take a fine eye to find it. What reason would you suspect Mr. Fox would not be telling the truth about those issues? He is the one who spoke on LK Live, not someone else speaking on his behalf. Why would he make that up out of whole cloth? To sell a book?

[mrs reb77]

Why would he make that up out of whole cloth?

I don't know. Do you think President Bush should go on Larry King Live and refute it? I know that's the place I'd worry about "truth" from, good ole' Larry's show. I don't think I'd (geer speak here) cherry pick the sections from someone like Larry's show that I decide to believe are truth. I'd rather just trust my gut instincts and disbelieve it all--give it no credence. I also don't think I'd be putting it up as evidence in any discussion.

[The Doctor]

Why would he make that up out of whole cloth?

I don't know. Do you think President Bush should go on Larry King Live and refute it? I know that's the place I'd worry about "truth" from, good ole' Larry's show. I don't think I'd (geer speak here) cherry pick the sections from someone like Larry's show that I decide to believe are truth. I'd rather just trust my gut instincts and disbelieve it all--give it no credence. I also don't think I'd be putting it up as evidence in any discussion.

As a general rule, you are right on. So to say that Mr. Fox's comments that night fit in with the press releases which Mr. Martin(Canada), Mr. Fox(MX), and Mr. Bush(U.S.A.) were taking part in at the time....well, that is an understatement.
It is not the first time those ideas have been advanced as part of a long-term picture.
Now, to step back a bit if I may, I'll say that free trade is optimal. The vigilance of you and I will be what separates good agreements from mediocre ones and from dismal ones.
Geer? Wow, not that long ago, yet it seems like another time in ARP.

[mrs reb77]

I see that Ron Paul carried about 8% in New Hampshire.

I didn't catch him on Leno last night but I did read the transcript.
I found his referral to Dennis K. as a bit of an ally as...interesting... :D

[The Doctor]

The grassroots is the question. Will the energy used for the last 8 months also be used for the next 4 years? Or at least will we now continue to be involved in our respective areas of influence? Some may be dogcatchers, some may be local school board members, some may be state legislators, etc.
It seems easy to sort of relax when a given candidate is winning, or has won and it is my hope that more folks will be involved to the point of maintaining our U.S. Constitution whether Mitt or Ron or Barack wins.

I knew Mr. Kucinich and Ron Paul work together for the cause of civil liberties. Wonder why Jay closed with asking for an endorsement of a Democratic candidate. ;) Life goes on