Pneumatics

[subaruwrx]

I don't work on much pneumatics due to the fact there are not many buildings done with pneumtics up here. But I had a no heat with a boiler/trane air handler system at this fabricating shop in town which is all pneumatic. It was the first time I had to troubleshoot a pneumatic system, Happened to be a faulty time clock to swtich operation of three boilers. So now of course I want to get studied up on pneumatics. Just was wondering if there are any tips on where to get info. Tried google search and didn't get much useful info. Or if anyone can explain basic operation of them. I know how a pneumatic t-stat works and why the system is used. Just don't know much about them.

[absrbrtek]

Put your email addy in your profile. I have some fundamentals books on pnuematics and control sequences I can send you beins its Christmas. :)

[osiyo]

Put your email addy in your profile. I have some fundamentals books on pnuematics and control sequences I can send you beins its Christmas. :)

If you could send me the same info it would be appreciated.

I've been putting together a collection of information files and PDF's that I'll be burning to a CD to give to a particular apprentice (and probably others in the future).

It's all meant to be a sort of "Introduction to ..." and "How it works ..." series of information plus a handy reference source. Geared mainly towards those youngsters the company sends our way from time to time as helpers for the Automation Techs. The company's method of finding new "possibles" to become Automation Techs, either within the new construction side or on the Service side.

Plus, from time to time I get a call from a journeyman from within the electrical or mechanical side who is looking for study material because he or she is thinking about applying for a transfer over to Automation.

(When we have openings within the Automation/Temperature Controls side of the house, current employees always get first shot at filling them. Plus we maintain a base group of Controls trained types within our Service Dept.)

When I read this post I got to thinking about the fact that all I've got in that information collection so far about pneumatics is the information contained in the Honeywell Gray Manual plus a few cutsheets for some equipment.

So, if you wouldn't mind sending me what you have that you're willing to share? Anything would be appreciated.


Hope you and yours had a fine Christmas and/or Holiday.

[sysint]

Wisconsin guy? --- in the union? If so they have some fundamentals books you can take a look at. Better get familar, because I'll put money on that fab shop not being interested in upgrading anytime soon.

[airdata870]

get a copy of the honeywell gray manual and control pro pneumatic control training book. good luck

[bc guy]

honeywell eng. manual--grey book

http://customer.honeywell.com/techli...s/77-E1100.pdf

[The Penguin]

link does not work

Hey Abstractk would ya email me those books too
thanks

[mallron]

Rolo will be along any time now and correct your spelling of pneumatics to "pnewmatics"!

-JB

[chillersandcontrols]

Try this:

http://customer.honeywell.com/techlit/pdf/77-0000s/77-E1100.pdf

[nick0danger]

If you could send me the same info it would be appreciated.

I've been putting together a collection of information files and PDF's that I'll be burning to a CD to give to a particular apprentice (and probably others in the future).

It's all meant to be a sort of "Introduction to ..." and "How it works ..." series of information plus a handy reference source. Geared mainly towards those youngsters the company sends our way from time to time as helpers for the Automation Techs. The company's method of finding new "possibles" to become Automation Techs, either within the new construction side or on the Service side.

Plus, from time to time I get a call from a journeyman from within the electrical or mechanical side who is looking for study material because he or she is thinking about applying for a transfer over to Automation.

(When we have openings within the Automation/Temperature Controls side of the house, current employees always get first shot at filling them. Plus we maintain a base group of Controls trained types within our Service Dept.)

When I read this post I got to thinking about the fact that all I've got in that information collection so far about pneumatics is the information contained in the Honeywell Gray Manual plus a few cutsheets for some equipment.

So, if you wouldn't mind sending me what you have that you're willing to share? Anything would be appreciated.


Hope you and yours had a fine Christmas and/or Holiday.

Any chance i can get a copy of that CD?

[osiyo]

Any chance i can get a copy of that CD?

Okay. I don't know how interesting or useful it'll be for you. Since much of the material I'm putting together will be stuff that's either been talked about on one of the forums of this site, or links to the various PDF's or web pages have been given at one time or another.

And the information files I'm putting together are those meant to be of a general nature (ie How it works.) as versus specific instructions for a particular line of equipment or control network protocol.

There will be some original material, but little. Mostly it'll copies of stuff done by others, source author identification left intact. Mostly what I'm doing is the selection of material, organizing the copies, and indexing info so a person can find what ever one might be looking for if a person is looking for specific info and it's in the collection.

But you're welcome to have a copy.

Once I'm done with it and can find a place that'll host the files for you to download, I'll let you know.

Expect it to be a couple weeks or so down the road as I'm a trifle busy right now.

[targetman]

Absrbrtek, can you email me also?

[orion242]

osiyo if you need a no BS host for this email me.

[theoldman]

I once worked with a guy who used used a variation of that name for a password. Could it be you?

[osiyo]

osiyo if you need a no BS host for this email me.

I'll keep your offer in mind, thanks.

Although, my inclination has been to simply put the files on RapidShare or similar free service. As it would be a one shot thing and I have no desire to set up a customized web page just for the purpose.

I have a web site, but it's devoted to family stuff, it's private and I want to keep it that way, and besides I don't think I've enough space left from what the host allocates me to hold the additional files. Bunches and bunches of family photos eats up space fast.

In any event, I'm hoping that neither nick0danger nor yourself are thinking that the file collection I have in mind is anything all that special. It's just going to be a collection of stuff, mostly material by others, most all of it freely available on the net if you search for it (and know where to search and for what).

I'm not claiming credit or authorship or ownership for any of it, except a tidbit here and there plus an index I'm putting together. Over the years I've done a great many searches and downloads of various material. Time to time I burn it to CD to archive it. Web sites and links tend to disappear over time.

Both at work and after hours on my free time, I get inquiries from this guy or that. Either from co-workers who work at the same place I do or from friends I have who are in the same or similar line of business, asking how this or that thing (system, process, idea, etc) works. And I'll go through my archive of stuff and find some "Introduction to ...", "Guide to ..." or similar type of material I think worthwhile for them to read to achieve a basic understanding of the subject in question.

Then, if needed, and the person needs or wants to learn more we'll get down to specifics, of a particular equipment and specific system. Or a specific "How do I ....".

IOW, the material I'm putting together and indexing is meant to be a guide to understanding the basic ideas and concepts of the Why's and How's. Similar to the basic idea of Honeywell's Gray Book. Except that I'll be including not only it but other material to expand upon certain areas the Gray Book only mentions or implies but does not really cover or explain. Plus material that is explained in the Gray Book but which perhaps needs some expanded coverage to help a newbie understand the concept better. I find that sometimes a concept that is explained in more than one way, by more than one person, makes it easier for a newbie to reach an understanding of the subject.

In any event, that's all I'm doing. It's not really anything original, nor anything that'll be new material for any experienced DDC controls type. Nor will it contain any big trade secrets and propriety information. Tho, it will contain some info specific to a propriety system, by way of providing examples meant to show how certain things are accomplished using a specific system. ie How to configure a specific make and model controller to accomplish a specific task. However, this will only be a write up with screen shots, in HTML form. No real data files and no "samples" of the tools and utilities needed to actually do the task included.

So that's all this project of mine is, and is meant to be. It'll include things like Honeywell's Gray Book, plus some similar publications meant to be introductions to DDC controls made by other manufacturers. Example sequences of operation. Example system layouts and schematics. A few examples of line code programs, with explainations. Material explaining basic concepts of HVAC control schemes, how's and why's. Introduction to networking concepts and protocols. Screen shots of actual DDC controller setups, along with write-ups and explainations. Not meant to teach someone to do real programming and setups of that particular line of equipment, rather it'll be meant to let a newbie see examples of what "it's all about". ie Many times a newbie, reading this forum or a technical manual might see a reference to data types ... but often enough he or she has no idea of what that term means or why it's important. I hope to make such things a little clearer by providing examples. And lastly, I'm going to include a plain English index to make it a bit easier for a person to look up the specific piece of information the person is looking for.

It's my belief that if a person can achieve a basic understanding of the underlying principles, concepts, and theories of something. Then learning the particulars and specifics of a particular line (make and model) of equipment becomes easier. One knows what needs to happen, now all you've got to learn is how THIS manufacturer went about getting it done.

In any event, it'll be a while before I get it all together, as I said. At the moment I've got a number of other projects in the works that have somewhat of a priority ... given that they're things that bring in a paycheck. 2 weeks, maybe 3. Not more than that.

[nick0danger]

I once worked with a guy who used used a variation of that name for a password. Could it be you?

Nope sorry.

[major mark]

Great resource for pneumatic training and information: http://www.bochvac.com. He travels all over the US, providing training and consulting - PLUS - He's good people!!

[orion242]

Ditto on the BOCHVAC guy. Sat through his class about 5 years ago and thought it was top notch. I have the manuals, just need to get them to a scanner. I'm not really sure that the manuals are that much help, as allot of the stuff is just datasheets. The class is hands on and fills in the theory very well.

Just don't talk to him about DDC, he still thinks its all crap :)

[major mark]

You're absolutely correct! The best aspect of what he does is getting the students hands on the controls. People learn through their finger tips, not through their eyes and ears. You can lecture until you're blue in the face, but 5 minutes of hands-on will get 'er done!!

[incontrol]

this is the way I got the the Moneywell lit

http://customer.honeywell.com/Honeywell/UI/UserControls/ProductCatalog/Search/getliterature.axd?LiteratureID=77-E1100.pdf