Digi-Cool DRSA-1250

[hvaceric]

So who read their RSES Journal this month and looked at page 41?

Looks like the 1200, but with dual temp probes :D

Gonna have to get me one this spring, better start saving now :rolleyes:.

[fcs]

I saw that in that.

But don't see anything on their site. I'm hoping this means they've got a dual probe setup you can get to fit the DRSA 1200 like they talked about.

[davidr]

You can't start a thread like that and not post a link man. :D

[ARPA]

davidr,

If your email address is the same as the one you used in the mod contest, I just emailed you, if you did not receive it drop me a line.

[mark beiser]

You can't start a thread like that and not post a link man. :D

Look on page 41 of the RSES journal! :p

[davidr]

Look on page 41 of the RSES journal! :p

Makes it a little hard considering I don't have a copy of the RSES journal.

[davidr]

davidr,

If your email address is the same as the one you used in the mod contest, I just emailed you, if you did not receive it drop me a line.

I got it arpa and I will see what I can do.

Thanks.

[hvaceric]

You can't start a thread like that and not post a link man. :D

If I had a link I would, but it's not on their website yet :confused:

I Googled it, and this thread is the only thing that came back.

Guess you'll have to wait :p

Unless ARPA has something else..........

[davidr]

Guess you'll have to wait :p



That's what is killing me. :D

The mention of a new digi-cool product has me drooling. ;)

[hvaceric]

I know what you mean, I wanted one this summer, but I heard he was working on the dual temp setup and decided to wait.

Thankfully I won't need gauges much until spring.

[primecooler]

Is the DRSA 1200 the same as the Yellow Jacket DFA? They appear the same other than color. I thought the YJ did both temperatures at once. I am ready to buy this right after the holiday but may wait if this gets better, or is less then I thought. I have a set of TIF digital guages but the readouts are completely different from either of these. Also does anyone know if you can adapt the input into a K-couple probe, I want a clamp not some wrap around velcro piece.

[hvaceric]

Yes, the DRSA-1200 and the YJ are the same, Digi-Cool makes both.

From what I understand the 1200 will do both, but not at the same time, the 1250 is supposed to do both at the same time, and they are coming out with some new clamps.

[BobbyBJr]

Makes it a little hard considering I don't have a copy of the RSES journal.

Well, I received mine Thursday and took it to the shop with me to look over and left it laying on my desk, then I see this thread. Makes me want to drive over and take a look at it because I won't be back in the office till Wednesday.

[Reeferman]

Check these out.

[mark beiser]

Check these out.

Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling when 2 instruments, from 2 different manufacturers that use different sensor technology, give readings that are virtually identical doesn't it?:)

My Digi-Cool BTD-1000 and Testo 523 give readings that are no more than 0.3 psi apart, all the way from 0 to the 200 psi limit of the BTD-1000's low pressure side. The Digi-Cool doesn't read tenths on the high pressure side, but it stays within 1 psi of the Testo up through the 450 psi I have tested them together on.

Try getting 2 analogue gauges to read that close across a range of pressures! Even brand new ones from the same manufacturer, lol. NOT gona happen.

The BTD-1000 doesn't do temperatures, but the Testo and my Fluke 52II are within half a degree of each other, using any of my Fluke or Testo pipe clamps and surface probe.

[davidr]

Thanks for the pics reeferman, makes me glad I held out.

[Reeferman]

Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling when 2 instruments, from 2 different manufacturers that use different sensor technology, give readings that are virtually identical doesn't it?:)

My Digi-Cool BTD-1000 and Testo 523 give readings that are no more than 0.3 psi apart, all the way from 0 to the 200 psi limit of the BTD-1000's low pressure side. The Digi-Cool doesn't read tenths on the high pressure side, but it stays within 1 psi of the Testo up through the 450 psi I have tested them together on.

Try getting 2 analogue gauges to read that close across a range of pressures! Even brand new ones from the same manufacturer, lol. NOT gona happen.

The BTD-1000 doesn't do temperatures, but the Testo and my Fluke 52II are within half a degree of each other, using any of my Fluke or Testo pipe clamps and surface probe.

Well thats not exactly true. If the reading is stable then the 523 will read the same.If however there is a rapid change in pressure the 523 is not so good. With that said Testo is going to speed up the response time from 2 seconds to less than a second according to Bergmann. I have a bunch of videos I should put on here but they are on another site that I think you are also.

[mark beiser]

Well thats not exactly true. If the reading is stable then the 523 will read the same.If however there is a rapid change in pressure the 523 is not so good. With that said Testo is going to speed up the response time from 2 seconds to less than a second according to Bergmann. I have a bunch of videos I should put on here but they are on another site that I think you are also.

Yeah, that is what I don't like so much about the 523.
Other than a handful of customers, I only do AC work, so it isn't a big deal for me at this time.
I REALLY like the bar graph on the Digi-Cool.

[hvaceric]

Reeferman, thanks for the pictures :) I am guessing that you are testing the new unit out :D Do you have the new clamps also?

Where are those videos you referred to posted? You can e-mail me if you don't want to post it, I would like to see them.

I don't do any refer work so speed is not much of an issue here, but I like the idea of the bar-graph vs. trying to keep up with fast changing numbers, kinda reminds me of my old analog Simpson.

Thanks again.

[Doug Lockhart]

If I had a link I would, but it's not on their website yet :confused:

I Googled it, and this thread is the only thing that came back.

Guess you'll have to wait :p

Unless ARPA has something else..........

We are going to have red, blue, green and white backlight versions of the DRSA1250 in New York and want to find out from all you techs who are there which colour of backlight your prefer.....red for the rednecks, blue for the boys, green for the tree huggers, white for the virgins????!!!! No such thing in HVAC/R trade.....:p

[mark beiser]

We are going to have red, blue, green and white backlight versions of the DRSA1250 in New York and want to find out from all you techs who are there which colour of backlight your prefer.....red for the rednecks, blue for the boys, green for the tree huggers, white for the virgins????!!!! No such thing in HVAC/R trade.....:p

Green or white, but if it is white, don't make it supper bright like Testo did. When I fire that thing up at night, it is so bright it hurts my eyes and screws up my night vision. :(
Green light is very night vision friendly. So are red and blue, but I've never been a fan of blue backlit stuff, and red is just weird. ;)

It isn't a big deal to me either way, except I don't like blue backlights, or blue text in forum postings. :p
I don't recall to many times I have ever been using my BTD-1000, even at night, and wished it had a backlight. I don't work in dimly lit mechanical rooms all day like some people do though.

[hvaceric]

We are going to have red, blue, green and white backlight versions of the DRSA1250 in New York and want to find out from all you techs who are there which colour of backlight your prefer.....red for the rednecks, blue for the boys, green for the tree huggers, white for the virgins????!!!! No such thing in HVAC/R trade.....:p

I won't be in NY, so I'll throw my vote in for green or a dim blue, bright blue or white washes out too much and I don't like red on anything except warning lights.

When do you expect these to be available?

[Doug Lockhart]

I won't be in NY, so I'll throw my vote in for green or a dim blue, bright blue or white washes out too much and I don't like red on anything except warning lights.

When do you expect these to be available?

We should have production ramped up by Feb for the 1250 but we will need to field test properly first.....don't want any guys yelling at me for putting out faulty stuff. I am going to wait and see what NY feedback is on this. Hopefully we'll see you there......tickets are still available...love to buy you a coffee.
Doug.
PS Green seems to be the big vote now.:D:D:D

[hvaceric]

Well.....I could go to NY and drool on all the new stuff, or stay here and afford to buy new stuff, and then there would be convincing my wife :rolleyes:
I have my eye on several new things this year and these are one of the first, so I will be watching for them, hope you have them ready for the start of cooling, around March-April :), but if not, I'll just have to wait.

[neophytes serendipity]

You mean to tell me, after all this time doing it wrong (apparently), that a turd has a clean end?

Dammit. :D

[hvaceric]

You mean to tell me, after all this time doing it wrong (apparently), that a turd has a clean end?

Dammit. :D

:eek::D:D

[fcs]

I vote green or blue

Doug Any word on a 2 probe adapter for the 1200 ?

Thanks and Merry Christmas

[Doug Lockhart]

I vote green or blue

Doug Any word on a 2 probe adapter for the 1200 ?

Thanks and Merry Christmas

Hey Guys,
Got so much brow beating about the backlight, dual temp sensors and 'absolute zero' function that we will have that in the 1250.

You can't read the SH and SC simultaneously but need to toggle the 'mode' key but you won't have to change/move the sensor.

Green seems to be the #1 choice....may offer all 4 lights in a pak????? then you can install on your own??????

Absolute zero for New Mexico, Colorado etc....you'll have to draw a 'perfect vacuum'; go into a psia/0F mode and press the 'zero' key for 4 seconds.....sample pressure will now be referenced as '0 psia'. Go back to psig/0F and you may see 2.2"Hg....as you are above sea level.

Check HVAC PROTech or this site to see the release....Tony over there may have one real quick for beta testing.....

Have a Great Christmas.....
2008 is gonna rock.....:D

[btcstudenthvacr]

Doug Any word on a 2 probe adapter for the 1200 ?

[neophytes serendipity]

So, are these things gonna be like computers, phones and ipods now where the manufacturer always leaves one important feature out (that they could have put in there before) so they can sell you a new one every six months or so?

Seems like an expensive game to me...

[Doug Lockhart]

Doug Any word on a 2 probe adapter for the 1200 ?

Merry Christmas Guys,
We'll trying to set up a retrofit kit that's field changeable.....for the somewhat skilled guys to convert a 1200 to 1250....not sure either of the viability of that. Stay tuned to here and HVACPRO Tech for info/field tests. Tony at HVAC PROtech will likely be doing an in depth field test/report on this.
Go eat some Turkey...and chocolate.....and pudding....and chips....and more chocolate...

[Reeferman]

So, are these things gonna be like computers, phones and ipods now where the manufacturer always leaves one important feature out (that they could have put in there before) so they can sell you a new one every six months or so?

Seems like an expensive game to me...

I don't think that all of them are doing this on purpose. Takes alot of money to develop the hardware/software that goes into the higher end ones and when you are competing with the low end digitals that have inferior hardware/software its a tough call. But I do know what you mean as you can buy the latest and greatest computers or most all electronics for that matter today and they are outdated tomorrow. I guess we could all go back to a horse and buggy.

[neophytes serendipity]

Well, that may be.

But dual temp probes and a light could have been done the first time around.

Another manufacturer releasing a digital gauge set with a 3 second sampling rate doesn't make any sense... I really don't see how (within reason) something faster (ie: usable instead of almost useless) would cost any more.

"Good" quality competing against "cheap" is a crappy excuse.

I suspect that the actual display on the Digi Cool product is the most expensive piece, but I don't design or engineer these things. There must have been a good reason against choosing an existing monochrome or color TFT display used in something like a Palm.

How much more would it have been with an extra wired temp probe and a light from the start? The manipulation of the added temp probe data would just be some more coding and a few extra spots on the LCD. I doubt the proposed retrofit kit will be "plug and play"... something is being added that was never there, and it is more than a simple software change.

As an outside observer, and not an owner of the product, it seems that it might have been better to design the parts that read the pressures and temperatures and package that internally with the basic display drivers separately from an "easily" updateable/upgradeable internal black box that would contain all of the gee whiz techno stuff with refrigerant charts, different display capabilities or wireless features, memory, logging... but I don't design this stuff.

Then the person that buys one of these would have a nice functioning instrument that could be upgraded as technology and the budget allows.

Oh well, I'm gonna wait. I'm sure Testo and Refco will be making changes soon, too.

[Reeferman]

Well I guess all I can say to that is go out, design and build one if it is that easy to do cause I know I can't.

[neophytes serendipity]

Naah, too small of a market... especially in the 4 figure price range... something workable (basic) in the $300 to $500 range could be considered "affordable"... and if it could be done without a "made in China" label, that would be fantastic.

If I could design one, I would.

I might buy one, but I am not an early adopter for something I don't plan on buying new every 6 months or so for the "latest and greatest".

[Reeferman]

Naah, too small of a market... especially in the 4 figure price range... something workable (basic) in the $300 to $500 range could be considered "affordable"... and if it could be done without a "made in China" label, that would be fantastic.

If I could design one, I would.

I might buy one, but I am not an early adopter for something I don't plan on buying new every 6 months or so for the "latest and greatest".

So I'm guessing that this doesn't mean much?

"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. It's unwise to pay too little.
When you pay too much, you lose a little money -- that is all. When you pay too little, you may lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do.

The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot -- it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run. And if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better."

John Ruskin

[neophytes serendipity]

So I'm guessing that this doesn't mean much?

"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. It's unwise to pay too little.
When you pay too much, you lose a little money -- that is all. When you pay too little, you may lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do.

The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot -- it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run. And if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better."

John Ruskin

Sure it does.

Both Testo and Digi Cool have had (or are going to have) revisions to their products.

One company changed a bunch of the embedded software, making an update impossible. Then, they neglected something as simple as a hose holder in the updated product that can get well into the four figures.

Another company left out things that should have been there in the first place, especially considering that the first go around seemed to be pretty darn good. I almost bought one.

Refco seems to have made a quality product in an affordable price range (don't know about the country of origin), but they chose a 3 port manifold and slow updates. I knew about the 3 port design, but no one around here stocks one, so no way to know about the slow updates. Probably still tons better than the other offering in that price range.

I never would have known any of this without the feedback generated here, and I certainly can't afford to buy and try everything out there myself.

And, I bet the manufacturers follow these discussions, too.

We'll see what the next generation brings.

[Doug Lockhart]

Sure it does.

Both Testo and Digi Cool have had (or are going to have) revisions to their products.

One company changed a bunch of the embedded software, making an update impossible. Then, they neglected something as simple as a hose holder in the updated product that can get well into the four figures.

Another company left out things that should have been there in the first place, especially considering that the first go around seemed to be pretty darn good. I almost bought one.

Refco seems to have made a quality product in an affordable price range (don't know about the country of origin), but they chose a 3 port manifold and slow updates. I knew about the 3 port design, but no one around here stocks one, so no way to know about the slow updates. Probably still tons better than the other offering in that price range.

I never would have known any of this without the feedback generated here, and I certainly can't afford to buy and try everything out there myself.

And, I bet the manufacturers follow these discussions, too.

We'll see what the next generation brings.

Some of the manufacturers do follow these threads and do try to give the buyer what he wants and needs.
Here's our dilemma with DRSA/RSAs. It costs between $300,000 and $400,000 per copy to develop these units in hardware and software development alone. Now DC runs a very tight ship in terms of costs and overhead and I have information from others that their units cost in excess of $1M/model to bring to market. In over 20 years Brenda and I have never taken a wage from our company....only paid wages to subs and suppliers. Other companies don't have the flexibility to defer profits for 20 years. We have a very cost conscious and savvy group of mechanics out there that really don't want to pay for useless features so it is hard to know what to include for an extra cost. Consequently we are always chasing the 'next perfect unit' that over 1 million HVAC/R mechanics will eventually all buy two of to hang in the van......we hope. We all go through 3 levels of marketing thus we make probably all about the same at about $100/unit with the other levels all taking their share to keep their businesses running. This means we need to sell 3000 units just to pay for the development costs. At $6000/page in a publication for our industry it eats up sales profits real quick. All manufacturers in the HVAC trade that I have talked to are extremely disappointed in the sales compared to the sister trades of electrical, automotive and the manor in which they adopted the digital products.

There's no Microsoft, GM or Ford here purposely omitting features so we can rape the market later. Sometimes we have to throw away $200,000 in order to add a feature. EMI, CE, FCC certifications all cost $30,000 to $50,000 for each unit when changes are made not to mention time taken to set this up.....and hopefully they don't fail!! Software developers paid under contract or full time get $130,000/year, molds for the plastic cost $60,000 to $80,000/model with the mechanical designer that designs them costing about the same per model. PCB tooling is relatively cheap at $5000/unit with a 4-6 layer board as long as the EMI didn't fail. We haven't included overhead here but all of you work for companies that show you they need accountants, phones, office space etc that needs to be paid for in the day to day operation of the company.

I have been in coveralls since 1976 and spent a fortune of my HVAC/R company and family's money to bring what we have to market on the hopes that IF I did it right the market would support my product. Support is a two way street, should the market support the product the company will continue to plunge money into the product to improve and modify it to the buyers needs that continue to support it. I am always listening and available to each and every mechanic that cares to call and give their constructive criticism.

Hope this helps from the other side. We are not all big greedy companies that don't listen. We are working hard behind the counter to be there for you too.

[neophytes serendipity]

That's good feedback.

About this part:


All manufacturers in the HVAC trade that I have talked to are extremely disappointed in the sales compared to the sister trades of electrical, automotive and the manor in which they adopted the digital products.

For whatever my opinion is worth, the electrical and automotive repair industries *need* digital products to repair modern systems. While an analog gauge or noid light will give a go/no go result, you will never efficiently troubleshoot complicated automotive systems without a scope- especially intermittent driveability complaints.

I do not work on HVAC systems that *need* the resolution and precision of a digital gauge set. A digital gauge set may help me do a better job a little faster, but there is no getting around the fact that I must foot the bill for the technology, and as long as I am an employee, I do not reap the benefits of saved time, nor will my boss *ever* pick up the repair tab if something is broken (they won't even buy a $60 cordless tool battery).

I suspect that most in the HVAC trade fit the above description.

He!!, the residential companies I have had the "privelege" to work for don't use things like gauges, temp probes or vacuum pumps anyways.

That doesn't change the fact that I would like to have a digital set someday, but I have to deal with reality.

[servicef1rst]

Double Post - Sorry Mods.

[servicef1rst]

Doug, get this guy's address, send him my 1100 - that you should have by now - give him my number if he wants it.

T

[mark beiser]

Doug, get this guy's address, send him my 1100 - that you should have by now - give him my number if he wants it.

T

psssst....hey kid, try one of these.
First one's free. ;)

[neophytes serendipity]

psssst....hey kid, try one of these.
First one's free. ;)

Red pill or blue pill? :D

[servicef1rst]

Actually his last post sort of struck a chord with me. I can remember when instruments of this quality were out of my range, from a financially realistic point of view or because I was working for some clown that *****ed because I expected him to replace the batteries in my flashlight. I hope you find them as pleasurable to use as I have - absolute precision - absolutely. The Dynamic Offset Graph kicks ass. If you like them and see the difference they make - post it, if you don't then post that as well.

T

[fcs]

Doug spent almost 1hr on the phone with me when I was loooking to buy 1 unit. I Felt that said alot about the way he does business!

He was up front about the 2 probe issue the time frame for the next model and that they were trying to make a 2 probe set up for the 1200 model and SWAG out the cost. I have found I've got a great buy and I felt he was more than honest and dedicated to doing the right thing.

[btcstudenthvacr]

Good tools are not expensive there priceless. I feed my family with my tools. Thanks for making life a little easier with the digital YJ's I bought. :)

[kiwireeferman]

Hey Doug, thanks very much for the insight into the costs involved in producing an instrument such as the Digi-cool analyzer.

I think we mere mortals don't appreciate what is involved in getting a product into the market place. In your case, huge risks and total dedication. There will always be knockers, but you have an awful lot of fans.

[tarheel_tech]

I am in the market for a digital gauge set and I have a question about them.I was wondering if they make a probe adapter to go from the type that the digital gauges to a K type like my Fluke 52 has.The only reason that I ask is that I have alot of the clamb probes and I hate to not use them anymore.I am going to probaly buy the digi-cool brand because I just like them better verses the testo.The yellow jacket is nice too,but it is the same as the digi-cool so why buy it when you can choose what guage set you put it on.:)Thanks in advance for the replies.

[Doug Lockhart]

I am in the market for a digital gauge set and I have a question about them.I was wondering if they make a probe adapter to go from the type that the digital gauges to a K type like my Fluke 52 has.The only reason that I ask is that I have alot of the clamb probes and I hate to not use them anymore.I am going to probaly buy the digi-cool brand because I just like them better verses the testo.The yellow jacket is nice too,but it is the same as the digi-cool so why buy it when you can choose what guage set you put it on.:)Thanks in advance for the replies.

A lot of misunderstanding underlies the Type K in that it kicks back a voltage that is read to discern temp....problem is even with a Fluke (ask Reeferman) it can pick up transient voltages and can not only blow up the electronics but give you wacky readings. The piss off is they are very quick and easy to package and although we (Testo and DC) have tried to get them as quick as the Ks we need to keep them dielectrically isolated in a heat conductive capsule.

Short version is we are building a couple different types of clamps to go with our copper barrel sensor and will have some very shortly.

They will all work with the 1100 and 1200 units.

[Reeferman]

The following is a test that I did comparing the Testo 523 to a Digicool 1200 and 1250. The 523 was courteous of another site.

Like I said earlier I really like the way the 523 fits and feels. This is what I like about it so far.

- Can't say enough about the backlight as I feel that any and all digital type meters should have this. The back light in the sightglass makes perfect sense.

- The clock is another item that i really like as it allows you to have the time right there in front of you.

- I was concerned at first about not being able to see the display from a distance but it does not seem to be a problem.

- I am still not sure about the hook. It does not fit into the traditional places that I would hang a set of gauges on a transport unit but you know when it is hooked to something it is not going to come off.

This is what I do not like about it so far.

- I would be somewhat upset if I had spent the money to buy the 523 and had to buy the hose holder that is for it. It is without doubt the cheesiest thing I have every seen. Someone really screwed up. It also broke within 5 minutes of hanging it on the reefer as the ambient temperature the first day was-10C. It takes away from a well built tool not only in the looks of it but the fact that it is covering up a very well made display. I would install either t-fittings or some kind of a y-fitting to mount the hoses.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3752/dadnov13007cj4.jpg


- I can't believe that no one here or elsewhere has mentioned the fact that the 523 does not display inches hg when in a vacuum. It displays minus psi. One of the reasons that one would want to spend the money to buy a digital unit is that it displays saturation, calculates super heat, sub cooling and in some cases delta T. I do not want to calculate minus psi to inches hg as everything I do is in inches hg when referring to vacuum.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1065/dadnov13006wp3.jpg

The following videos show the Testo tracking with the DigiCool together t-ed into the high and low sides of several reefers and truck a/c systems. The first one shows them tracking very close to each other.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_testodigicool009.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=testodigicool009.flv)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_testodigicool2004.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=testodigicool2004.flv)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_testodigicool2004-1.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=testodigicool2004-1.flv)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_testodigicool2006.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=testodigicool2006.flv)

The following is from a Freightliner tractor a/c.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_MOV02257.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=MOV02257.flv)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_MOV02258.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=MOV02258.flv)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_MOV02259.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=MOV02259.flv)

[Reeferman]

Here are some tests I did using nitrogen to compare update times of both units.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_MOV02270.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=MOV02270.flv)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_MOV02275.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=MOV02275.flv)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_MOV02277.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=MOV02277.flv)

The next one is showing the Testo unit overshooting during the test.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_MOV02278.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=MOV02278.flv)

The following is with the temp probes of each unit hooked up.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/TempTesting2001.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/TempTesting2002.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_TempTesting2019.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=TempTesting2019.flv)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_TempTesting2A006.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=TempTesting2A006.flv)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_TempTesting2A007.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=TempTesting2A007.flv)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_TempTesting2A008.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=TempTesting2A008.flv)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/th_TempTesting2A009.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/?action=view&current=TempTesting2A009.flv)

I found that in the line of work I do which is transport refrigeration and mobile a/c the 523 is not the tool for me. The update is far too slow for what is going on in a typical transport reefer. I don't know if the 556 or the 560 has a faster update or not or if the data logging reads a faster update.

The 523 may be ok for a/c units that are running a constant pressure such as residential units or light commercial units.

[davidr]

Awesome testimonial!

Thanks for sharing that with us.

[Reeferman]

The Digicool kicks Testo's ass in all of them. I had the j/b (Just Broke) digital last year and it broke within a day of using it. The emf from an alternator took out the low side millivolt sensor that the cheap digital gauges use.

Anyone remember this.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/July142007001.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/July142007002.jpg

It was what Tiff used on the digital gauges that they brought out years ago that were junk.

This is what is inside the Just Broke digital.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/July132007001.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/July132007002.jpg


So if you are considering buying one of the cheap digital gauges be aware of what can and will happen to them.

[Reeferman]

This is what Digicool uses for transducers.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/Aug42007001.jpg

And the inside of the 1200.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/Aug42007002.jpg

[Reeferman]

If anyone has any pictures or videos of the Testo with the updated sofware post it here.

[nightranger121]

These have really caught my interest lately, so this thread is in good timing. However, I have a question. I haven't seen it mentioned here, but will not ass-u-me, so are these R-410A compatable?

[itsiceman]

These are listed for the digi-cool 1200

R-12 R-22 R-134A R-290
R-401A (39) R-401B (66) R-402A (80) R-402B (81)
R-404A (62) R-406A R-407C (9000) R-408A (10)
R-409A (56) R-410A (20) R-414B R-416A
R-417A R-420A R-422A R-502
R-507 (50) R-508B R-600A

Referman How are the DRSA's for setting low presure controls?

Does a 1 second refresh rate work ok if the presure is pulling down slowly?
How about when you have a quick pull down?

[Doug Lockhart]

These have really caught my interest lately, so this thread is in good timing. However, I have a question. I haven't seen it mentioned here, but will not ass-u-me, so are these R-410A compatable?

They have 410a for breakfast!!!!!:)
They know glide for Bubble Point/Dew Point reference to SH and SC calculations...................and if you'll wait for the next generation it will make love to your wife AND do the supper dishes!!:cool:

[Doug Lockhart]

These are listed for the digi-cool 1200

R-12 R-22 R-134A R-290
R-401A (39) R-401B (66) R-402A (80) R-402B (81)
R-404A (62) R-406A R-407C (9000) R-408A (10)
R-409A (56) R-410A (20) R-414B R-416A
R-417A R-420A R-422A R-502
R-507 (50) R-508B R-600A

Referman How are the DRSA's for setting low presure controls?

Does a 1 second refresh rate work ok if the presure is pulling down slowly?
How about when you have a quick pull down?

Iceman,
We also have R422B and R422D....
For pressure control setting that's when the 'Dynamic Offset' Bargraph really shines....it updates 4X per second REGARDLESS of the update on the numeric..took 4 years to perfect that thing....low side segments (8 above '0' and 8 below '0') represent 1/4 psi offset and the high side it represents 1 psi offset.
On Reeferman's videos you can see the lag on the competitor's units and how quick ours is to react but still be able to read the numeric readout...key to the success of our unit.....especially when you have liquid FLOODING back===makes it look like the bargraph is on crack!!!! :D

[nightranger121]

That's what I thought, but I recently took one of those R-410A courses and I still have "MAKE SURE YOUR TOOLS ARE COMPATABLE!" ringing in my ears. Thanks :)

[tarheel_tech]

Man,I can't wait to get me one.That is what I am going to use my economic stimulus check for.:cool::D

[caddy]

These are listed for the digi-cool 1200

R-12 R-22 R-134A R-290
R-401A (39) R-401B (66) R-402A (80) R-402B (81)
R-404A (62) R-406A R-407C (9000) R-408A (10)
R-409A (56) R-410A (20) R-414B R-416A
R-417A R-420A R-422A R-502
R-507 (50) R-508B R-600A

Referman How are the DRSA's for setting low presure controls?

Does a 1 second refresh rate work ok if the presure is pulling down slowly?
How about when you have a quick pull down?

Anyone know of digital gauges which would be good for high and low pressure refrigerants? For example 22, 134, 410, 123, 11

[jim bergmann]

If anyone has any pictures or videos of the Testo with the updated software post it here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyhQKx5BCS0

The firmware update makes them about .25 second faster then the digicool. The temperature sensor has always been the fastest in the industry making the Testo the only unit that can do accurate real-time superheat and subcooling. This is a key feature for data logging.

[55fordtruck]

Hey Doug,
What's the word?? When can I get the 1250? I'm ready for them.

Who do I need to go through to get the 1250 to get a head start?


Thanks,
Kevin

[sarge]

I just bought the YJ set 2 days ago and now I find out there is a 2 temp probe model in the works?:D

I did the Weber modification to my temp probe. Works great!

[tarheel_tech]

I was thinking that Doug needed someone to try out a brand new 1250 and give him some feedback on it.As long as I...uh I mean the tech gets to keep it.:DWhat you think Doug?:DI can send you my address.;)

[Doug Lockhart]

I was thinking that Doug needed someone to try out a brand new 1250 and give him some feedback on it.As long as I...uh I mean the tech gets to keep it.:DWhat you think Doug?:DI can send you my address.;)

I'll trade you a DRSA for a Santa Cruz Blur LT AM... http://www.santacruzmtb.com/blurlt/index.php?builder=1

Whadya say, whadya say???:):eek:

[tarheel_tech]

LOL,you got me Doug.How is everything going up your way?

[Reeferman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyhQKx5BCS0

The firmware update makes them about .25 second faster then the digicool. The temperature sensor has always been the fastest in the industry making the Testo the only unit that can do accurate real-time superheat and subcooling. This is a key feature for data logging.

Jim I have a brand new Sony digital video camera all warmed up and waiting.

[Doug Lockhart]

Hey Guys,
Buried in GHP work with my other company but Eric is 'junior journeyman' and doin' a helluva job. He's in his new Sprinter Van and Geeze it's nicer than my first three houses. Gotta 1800 watt inverter, microwave, extra lighting, workbench....After 32 years I got 4 knee operations and bigtime jealousy....
At Digi-Cool we've got some VERY wild new stuff being fleshed out...new programmer that's smokin' hot..very, very capable and innovative..They get up a 10 PM, eat a box of cocoa puffs and work 'till 8AM then go back to bed...Their brains work on a much higher plane....they say there is a fine line between a genius and a nut bar....yep, fine line.

The new units planned will not only legacy the old ones but allow us to upgrade and then although the new 2000 unit will kill me financially and resource/time wise it will be a helluva leap ahead for not only our, but the service industry....very lofty ideas....Reeferman and Tony (banned from this site apparently now) are both sworn to secrecy.....

Got all my 3 daughters home for the long weekend (Canada May long weekend). I am taking Serena out biking with me tomorrow and although she is going to University at Calgary for nursing; after 5 hours on the mountain she will probably kick my a$$. I'll ride the SC VPFree and she'll ride the Nomad....so I am at a disadvantage....(not going to say anything about her 6' , 145# 19 yr old frame against my 52 yr old 230# fat ass).:eek:

Off to SID on Monday for new research on displays....I'll let you connect the dots...We are still beating the Elec. shops/programmers to perfect all the new 1250, 1600 units along with the temp probes and new ########### . Whoops can't tell you about those units yet....:p;)
Thanx for the support guys....it is definitely appreciated....I love the journey...and we'll make it pay...someday...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[itsiceman]

Iceman,
We also have R422B and R422D....
For pressure control setting that's when the 'Dynamic Offset' Bargraph really shines....it updates 4X per second REGARDLESS of the update on the numeric..took 4 years to perfect that thing....low side segments (8 above '0' and 8 below '0') represent 1/4 psi offset and the high side it represents 1 psi offset.
On Reeferman's videos you can see the lag on the competitor's units and how quick ours is to react but still be able to read the numeric readout...key to the success of our unit.....especially when you have liquid FLOODING back===makes it look like the bargraph is on crack!!!! :DIs this for all units available as far as the bar graph.
When I first tried to follow the graph it was giving me a headache :o
Now it look looks useful :D thanks for all the videos.

Is the 4X / Sec. on the 1200

Will it be the same for 1250 and 1600?


I don't want to start a turf war but are the updates Jim was talking about available for all there models?
Are all the different new testo models the same as far as the programing/pressure sensing? (I realize the other features)

Is it better to just call you guys?

[itsiceman]

Iceman,
We also have R422B and R422D....

Might want them to update your site that's where I got that list :p

[Doug Lockhart]

Is this for all units available as far as the bar graph.
When I first tried to follow the graph it was giving me a headache :o
Now it look looks useful :D thanks for all the videos.

Is the 4X / Sec. on the 1200

Will it be the same for 1250 and 1600?


I don't want to start a turf war but are the updates Jim was talking about available for all there models?
Are all the different new testo models the same as far as the programing/pressure sensing? (I realize the other features)

Is it better to just call you guys?

Iceman,
The bargraph is on all the units and we are in the process of updating the website is underway...sorry for the inconvienience....

[behappy]

Doug,

I have to tell you that the Bar Graph thing on the one I am usuing is a GREAT addition. It helps the tech in a "flash" (along with all the numbers on the display) see exactly what is going on!

I cannot say enought about the digital analysers today!

[Reeferman]

These are listed for the digi-cool 1200

R-12 R-22 R-134A R-290
R-401A (39) R-401B (66) R-402A (80) R-402B (81)
R-404A (62) R-406A R-407C (9000) R-408A (10)
R-409A (56) R-410A (20) R-414B R-416A
R-417A R-420A R-422A R-502
R-507 (50) R-508B R-600A

Referman How are the DRSA's for setting low presure controls?

Does a 1 second refresh rate work ok if the presure is pulling down slowly?
How about when you have a quick pull down?


I don't set that many of the ones you are talking about but the ones I have set worked very well. When I first got them I would check them against a set of analogs and the Digicools were more accurate. We check pressure switches in the transport trade rather than setting them. If they are out they get replaced.

[weber]

I just bought the YJ set 2 days ago and now I find out there is a 2 temp probe model in the works?:D

I did the Weber modification to my temp probe. Works great!

Im glad that worked well for you, I'm tring to get Doug to put me on his R&D team!

[Doug Lockhart]

Im glad that worked well for you, I'm tring to get Doug to put me on his R&D team!

Weber....
I could use a good couple of guys in the R&D team....just gotta get rid of my HVAC/R company, sell a couple more thousand units/year and voila....we are there.....God that sounded easy didn't it.???
Reeferman's still got the 'Beata' Tester job though....if it stands him it will live though anything..

[weber]

Weber....
I could use a good couple of guys in the R&D team....just gotta get rid of my HVAC/R company, sell a couple more thousand units/year and voila....we are there.....God that sounded easy didn't it.???
Reeferman's still got the 'Beata' Tester job though....if it stands him it will live though anything..

Beta test need to be performed by different techs under different scenarios and conditions, I'm here for you Doug.

[tarheel_tech]

Beta test need to be performed by different techs under different scenarios and conditions, I'm here for you Doug.

Weber,I agree with that 100%:D

[deanmech]

Excellent thread guys. I do a lot of equipment start-ups and have engineer or manufacturer reports to fill out (depending on the project). Have been using liquid filled standard guages for some time, but looking at some point to upgrade to digital. I have separate digital temperature and humidity testing equipment at this point. Maybe I should have been one of the first guys to buy digital fridge guages considering my reports are the basis for future warranty issues.......but I have been waiting out the market to make sure that what I get will (1) last, (2) be reliable, and (3) not need expensive upgrading in 3 months because it is missing important features. Right now if I have a guage go bad, I can buy a new one and thread it in. Have you guys had problems with the sensors? Are they easy to field replace? Also, what about being dropped, bumped, or soaked--do the digitals stand up fairly well? (eg. Had a site the other day where a plumber was flushing a new line right next to one of my digital vacuum guages:eek::mad:)

[t527ed]

any idea on time frame for 1250's to come out??

buy the 1200 or wait for the 1250???????:confused:

[Doug Lockhart]

any idea on time frame for 1250's to come out??

buy the 1200 or wait for the 1250???????:confused:

We should have a limited production run mid summer....I will definitely keep you posted here and other boards....
Thanx for the patience...come to Chicago and you can beat on me for being so slow ..... :o

[itsiceman]

We should have a limited production run mid summer....I will definitely keep you posted here and other boards....
Thanx for the patience...come to Chicago and you can beat on me for being so slow ..... :o

Doug did you bring any with ya all the way down here?

Could I mess with one?

It usually only takes me a minute or so before I'm finished :rolleyes: :D

[neophytes serendipity]

We should have a limited production run mid summer....I will definitely keep you posted here and other boards....
Thanx for the patience...come to Chicago and you can beat on me for being so slow ..... :o

I am near Chicago....

If I can afford to drive there, I will consider a beat down :D

[itsiceman]

I will consider a beat down :D
BEET down at the BEAN 3:30

Bring the 1600 too :p

[Phase Loss]

i was working on a recently converted rack from R-22 to R-422D. and my digi cools 1200 have a R-422A but no R-422D?

[Doug Lockhart]

i was working on a recently converted rack from R-22 to R-422D. and my digi cools 1200 have a R-422A but no R-422D?


Phase Loss,
PM your details and we'll get you out a chip.....;)

[Phase Loss]

i do not see a PM option:confused: i shall drop you an email?
thanks

[deanmech]

No one answered my questions.............(see above)

[weber]

Excellent thread guys. I do a lot of equipment start-ups and have engineer or manufacturer reports to fill out (depending on the project). Have been using liquid filled standard guages for some time, but looking at some point to upgrade to digital. I have separate digital temperature and humidity testing equipment at this point. Maybe I should have been one of the first guys to buy digital fridge guages considering my reports are the basis for future warranty issues.......but I have been waiting out the market to make sure that what I get will (1) last, (2) be reliable, and (3) not need expensive upgrading in 3 months because it is missing important features. Right now if I have a guage go bad, I can buy a new one and thread it in. Have you guys had problems with the sensors? Are they easy to field replace? Also, what about being dropped, bumped, or soaked--do the digitals stand up fairly well? (eg. Had a site the other day where a plumber was flushing a new line right next to one of my digital vacuum guages:eek::mad:)

1. sure will!

2. More reliable than any analog gauge and more accurate!

3. Upgrades are not necessary, so no you dont have to spend money every three months.

Concerned about being dropped bump and what ever, take a look at the following pic, then you tell me if you should be concerned!

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/WeberSteve/DSCF1376.jpg

[kiwireeferman]

If you want something with a log and print facility the "Testo 556" is most likely the one you want. Do a search for digital zeus. There is a lot of information on what is available.

[deanmech]

Thanks guys--I am a bit of an irregular poster as I get so dang busy sometimes--might be why I sometimes go unrecognized--that's OK. Many of the units I start up are two stage, so I may have to spring for a couple of sets of digitals (ouch!)--maybe I'll just have to raise my chargeout rate;)

[Freezeking2000]

Im glad that worked well for you, I'm tring to get Doug to put me on his R&D team!


I met you and the referman in NYC this last fall. I still have not purchased one but would like to Beta test and possibly also purchase a unit. We do all types of service, Resi, Commercial HVAC and Refer.


I would give you detailed feedback from someone that has never used even a digital gauge before.

[Doug Lockhart]

There are probably close to 60 units out there for demo uses....not one came back in....:mad:. We are always searching for good anal techs that will not only put the 'next model' through it's paces but show it to other techs get their feedback as well then relay all that information back to us. The 'prettiest' and 'most functional' machine in the world is useless IF the techs don't find it time saving, reducing of errors, fun to use AND pay for itself with it's feature list...
As far as beta testers....I sneak alot of equipment out the door with my 'war departments' knowledge and blessing...sort of. Tough to do when she's put up with the 38 year old 70s vintage vinyl flooring (yes it's bright orange) and the same vintage carpet...;)
That being said guys, I can't build for the people I don't get feedback from AND the best way to do it is put a unit in their hands BEFORE all the design is complete.

[itsiceman]

We are always searching for good anal techs that will not only put the 'next model' through it's paces but show it to other techs get their feedback as well then relay all that information back to us. When you have a spot to fill I'm available :p
E-mail's in my profile ;)

Do you have any info you can let out yet on the type of new temp. probe your coming out with for the new units?

Most of the time I can not use a large clamp style probe :(

I'm about to jump ship for an older unit that has a bare probe and no clamp unless you can talk me in from the ledge.

[alexw]

.
I'd very much like to be using a digital manifold, superheat/subcooling analyzer. Tell me how to obtain one of your latest and greatest and I'll put it to good field use while giving you lots of feedback. email me at my profile email address. :)

At the same time I'd like to have wireless wet and dry bulb temperature transmitters to make me more efficient, i.e. less physical when doing refrigerant charge tests and adjustments on split systems. I spend too much time going between the condenser and the air handler. At the air handler/furnace I need wet/dry bulb temps of return air and dry bulb of the supply air. At the condenser I/we need temperatures and pressures. We need all this info to be gathered a the condenser so we don't have to go back and forth between the two locations.


There are probably close to 60 units out there for demo uses....not one came back in....:mad:. We are always searching for good anal techs that will not only put the 'next model' through it's paces but show it to other techs get their feedback as well then relay all that information back to us. The 'prettiest' and 'most functional' machine in the world is useless IF the techs don't find it time saving, reducing of errors, fun to use AND pay for itself with it's feature list...
As far as beta testers....I sneak alot of equipment out the door with my 'war departments' knowledge and blessing...sort of. Tough to do when she's put up with the 38 year old 70s vintage vinyl flooring (yes it's bright orange) and the same vintage carpet...;)
That being said guys, I can't build for the people I don't get feedback from AND the best way to do it is put a unit in their hands BEFORE all the design is complete.

[Doug Lockhart]

Hey Guys,
I am going to try and upload a couple of PDFs that will show the two temperature probes we are working on....one scissor clamp style and one bar clamp style....
The acid/oil/water resistant rubber feet shroud the sensor from ambient air etc and they have a built in strain relief. They will open and clamp on to 1/4" up to about 1 3/8" lines. The plastic is again built of material to take extremes, UV, etc. The scissor clamp (we're betting this is most popular) will have a pocket for wireless but issues surrounding hospitals, wireless etc are challenging to handle.
To answer the question again that will probably come up..it is a thermistor sensor so it is NOT affected by back EMF from the system which a thermocouple is susceptible to as outlined by some guys on the boards with their personal experiences....a type K at room temperature generates less than 1 mVolt......as long as you don't rub your shirt sleeve at the same time!!!! :eek:
See here http://www.pyromation.com/downloads/data/emfk_c.pdf

[weber]

Here is a picture of the clamp I made, I perfer this style clamp, I added a small piece of insulation to the top too sheild the sensor from ambient temps, works great.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/WeberSteve/0407081750.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/WeberSteve/0407081746.jpg

[BillLohr]

Doug,

Looking at the two clamps I prefer the scissor type but as the next post shows I'm used to the Fluke style clamp. I think it would also depend on how much force it would take to open the clamp, some of us are not as strong as we were. :eek::eek:

[itsiceman]

Thanks Doug I would prefer the scissors type also for most larger equipment.

They both look like stuff I've been wrestling with.

Will you still offer the bare probe?

Some spots I have to get into just don't have space for any clamp at all.

[alexw]

.
Doug . . .

In spite of its faults I prefer the Type "K" thermocouple. I also prefer the clamp adopted by Fluke and Fieldpiece as pictured by Weber. Having had experience with both the clamp and scissor types as you describe them I don't like either. Who actually manufactures the clamp adopted by Fluke and Fieldpiece? I assume it is neither of those companies.

If you are really doing it right in my view you would have inputs for three Type K thermocouples. One each for liquid and vapor lines as well as ODT/condenser air in going air temp. I'd like see both superheat AND subcooling at the same time. :D :D :D :D :)

If you are going to give us an improved digital analyzer please don't go half way . . . give us one that really does a job for us. Add the radio transmitter for air handler temperatures and you will really get some gold starts attached to your name. Most of us don't have to worry about the challenges associated with radio signals. When working in sensitive environments, i.e. hospitals, we can just not use the radio signal instruments.


Hey Guys,
I am going to try and upload a couple of PDFs that will show the two temperature probes we are working on....one scissor clamp style and one bar clamp style....
The acid/oil/water resistant rubber feet shroud the sensor from ambient air etc and they have a built in strain relief. They will open and clamp on to 1/4" up to about 1 3/8" lines. The plastic is again built of material to take extremes, UV, etc. The scissor clamp (we're betting this is most popular) will have a pocket for wireless but issues surrounding hospitals, wireless etc are challenging to handle.
To answer the question again that will probably come up..it is a thermistor sensor so it is NOT affected by back EMF from the system which a thermocouple is susceptible to as outlined by some guys on the boards with their personal experiences....a type K at room temperature generates less than 1 mVolt......as long as you don't rub your shirt sleeve at the same time!!!! :eek:
See here http://www.pyromation.com/downloads/data/emfk_c.pdf

[weber]

The problem with the wireless is that the additional cost of the software, and the additional accessories will drasticly increase the price!


Look at the Testo's, the added features of wireless almost double the price of the unit.

Also, the wireless has limitations, and sometimes is a great feature that you will not be able to use in the field.

The K-type can not be used on digital analyzer, due to static electric.

I have no problem with the upgrade feature of taking both sh and sc, and just having to push a button to display one or the other, the biggest benefit of this feature is the probe is already attached and will display the tempature accuratly with no delay in time.

[Txvman]

No offense, I don't like either clamp. I prefer the one that comes with my Cooper-Atkins SH66A. It's small and fits in small/tight places.

http://www.cooperinstrument.com/images/products/4011.jpg

[beachtech]

hey doug :)

see some guys are giving you quite a hard time here... i like both clamps that you have to offer. i seen them in that e-mail you sent to me a couple months ago. i have found use's for my current temp sensor without a clamp. but the clamp suits my needs more often :)

if you need a test pilot that will give you feedback on upcoming models and so forth, give me a shout. i'll let you know the good the bad and the ugly :)

[alexw]

.
Weber . . .

What is the nature of the static electricity problem with Type "K" thermocouples? I find it hard to believe that some kind of shielding would remove that problem.

Type "K" Thermocouples are used in conjunction with all kinds of electronic instrumentation involving fluids. Why is this any different? :confused:

If you are (and you should be) flat rate billing your customer with an effective hourly rate of $300.00 to $500.00 or more per hour the cost of a good wireless transmitting temperature system is not really an issue. Having reliable instruments which do the whole job and not just part of the job is the real issue. What we have available today is tragic it is so behind the times. :(



The problem with the wireless is that the additional cost of the software, and the additional accessories will drasticly increase the price!


Look at the Testo's, the added features of wireless almost double the price of the unit.

Also, the wireless has limitations, and sometimes is a great feature that you will not be able to use in the field.

The K-type can not be used on digital analyzer, due to static electric.

I have no problem with the upgrade feature of taking both sh and sc, and just having to push a button to display one or the other, the biggest benefit of this feature is the probe is already attached and will display the tempature accuratly with no delay in time.

[weber]

.
Weber . . .

What is the nature of the static electricity problem with Type "K" thermocouples? I find it hard to believe that some kind of shielding would remove that problem.

Type "K" Thermocouples are used in conjunction with all kinds of electronic instrumentation involving fluids. Why is this any different? :confused:

If you are (and you should be) flat rate billing your customer with an effective hourly rate of $300.00 to $500.00 or more per hour the cost of a good wireless transmitting temperature system is not really an issue. Having reliable instruments which do the whole job and not just part of the job is the real issue. What we have available today is tragic it is so behind the times. :(

Doug or Jim could answer your question better about the K-Type problem, But I know they can not be used.

As far as the wireless goes, I already own them and I'm telling you from my experience that they might not be worth the money depending on what type of work you do.

[Doug Lockhart]

.
Doug . . .

In spite of its faults I prefer the Type "K" thermocouple. I also prefer the clamp adopted by Fluke and Fieldpiece as pictured by Weber. Having had experience with both the clamp and scissor types as you describe them I don't like either. Who actually manufactures the clamp adopted by Fluke and Fieldpiece? I assume it is neither of those companies.

If you are really doing it right in my view you would have inputs for three Type K thermocouples. One each for liquid and vapor lines as well as ODT/condenser air in going air temp. I'd like see both superheat AND subcooling at the same time. :D

If you are going to give us an improved digital analyzer please don't go half way . . . give us one that really does a job for us. Add the radio transmitter for air handler temperatures and you will really get some gold starts attached to your name. Most of us don't have to worry about the challenges associated with radio signals. When working in sensitive environments, i.e. hospitals, we can just not use the radio signal instruments.

Hey Alex.....
Last time I looked my wife's name was Brenda NOT Alex.....yer pretty free with my money....:eek:
You cut the cheque Alex and I'll build you anything you want.....reality is you'll whimper, whine and wale about the "X" feature was not included or the "Y" feature should have more resolution and as you drive off in a new $35000 SUV that's NOT UPGRADEABLE and costs you $10,000/yr to keep on the road....and then you'll blast me that my $600 device that could MAKE you $5000/yr is not backward compatible to 1904 whilst your telling me 'maybe next generation we'll buy one!!!!;);)
When we brought out the 1100 the focus group said what EVER you do ... do not display SH and SC simultaneously.....you will have grossly overcharged and undercharged units all over the country!!! When we brought out the 1000 before that...90% of the techs new almost nothing about SH and SC. Pretty soon you'll want the Mollier Chart on there with mass flow in IP and Metric.;)

It costs me (and my wife) $400,000 per iteration and I gross $125/unit.....do the math Alex.....I'll build the next one with best features and components with EVERYTHING I've made from the sales from these previous units BUT you need to support me too partner....this is a TWO way street...I've taken not one red cent from this company in 20 years...or you can buy 6 Chinese made units/year and wonder everyday about the reliability/accuracy of the unit in hand....I'm just following your lead 'cause you're in the Drivers seat.....the market will determine what happens....:cool:

There, that felt better.....:p

PS. FYI the last Testo iteration cost them over $2M in NRE!!!:eek::eek::eek:
PPS. Thanx for the vote of confidence on our two designs....contempt prior to investigation is a self fulfilling prophecy.

[I_bend_metal]

Hey Doug.....

Can you get me a set of gauges that will jump outta my truck and hook themselves up?? Would be nice if it had a scale for weighing in charge and could carry a 30# jug of freon also. :D :D :D

I haven't invested in my first set of digitals yet, but my mind is made up, I am going with the Digi-Cools...hopefully by the end of next month. Looking forward to it and from what I have heard from Weber....I will not be disappointed!

[Doug Lockhart]

Hey Doug.....

Can you get me a set of gauges that will jump outta my truck and hook themselves up?? Would be nice if it had a scale for weighing in charge and could carry a 30# jug of freon also. :D :D :D

I haven't invested in my first set of digitals yet, but my mind is made up, I am going with the Digi-Cools...hopefully by the end of next month. Looking forward to it and from what I have heard from Weber....I will not be disappointed!

IBM,
You won't be disappointed.....as Weber will tell you I am only a cell phone call away....for all questions and inputs....When you have the trust in us to buy....I have the respect in your feedback....always.
Thanx......

[mech_head]

I have no problem with the upgrade feature of taking both sh and sc, and just having to push a button to display one or the other, the biggest benefit of this feature is the probe is already attached and will display the tempature accuratly with no delay in time.
So you have two probes attatched at one time?
All you do is push a button to cycle between them?
Which model is that?

Doug, I personally don't care what type of clamp you use as long as it works nice. I have the Fluke one and love it but whatever.

[weber]

So you have two probes attatched at one time?
All you do is push a button to cycle between them?
Which model is that?

Doug, I personally don't care what type of clamp you use as long as it works nice. I have the Fluke one and love it but whatever.

That is the new one, the DRSA-1250

[mech_head]

Oh, the one that isn't out yet.
That is what I was waiting for and I was all ready to pull out the wallet and drop some coin.
Dang it!
Or is it out?
I thought he said mid summer. Now I am all confused. Maybe this is the Southern Comfort talking.

[tarheel_tech]

Doug,I am with Beachy on the new temp clamps.When you sent me the design in your email to me,I knew that it would really good in the majority of units that I service.Keep up the good work,and I look forward to purchasing your 1250 when it hits the market.

[weber]

Oh, the one that isn't out yet.
That is what I was waiting for and I was all ready to pull out the wallet and drop some coin.
Dang it!
Or is it out?
I thought he said mid summer. Now I am all confused. Maybe this is the Southern Comfort talking.

Not yet, but very soon.....

And I highly recommend it! You will not be disappointed!

[mech_head]

Sold!!
If Weber says it, it must be true!!:D
So you had an advanced copy?

[Doug Lockhart]

Sold!!
If Weber says it, it must be true!!:D
So you had an advanced copy?

Hey Mech Head,
We are gonna have the 1250 for sale for everyone in North America except Canada.....they say if I sell it in Canada I have to do the manual in Francais!!!

Just Kidding....every province except Ontario:o:(
We release it there after all the rich SOBs from Alberta buy one!!!;)

Should me mid summer....Yah hear that Brock...this summer.....our programmer .... should be getting up in about 3 hours, eat a box of Coco Puffs then start programming....;) Don't piss em off guys he does wierd things with plasma energy.....

[Doug Lockhart]

No offense, I don't like either clamp. I prefer the one that comes with my Cooper-Atkins SH66A. It's small and fits in small/tight places.

http://www.cooperinstrument.com/images/products/4011.jpg

TXVman,
I do like the Cooper unit...it tightens up very well and quickly....the guys still want that 'snap it on' unit so that is why we went for the two types. I can see, however, how the Cooper would be great in a coffin case.....
We were designing a 'pinch clamp' but could not find a spring anywhere....wierd shape and tooling was $15000 just for the spring!!!:eek:

[coolmist]

Doug

This new gauge is creating quite the controversy. I am looking forward to the
opportunity to buy the 1250 set when it comes out. Thanks for dedicating
so many years of your career developing a quality product that everyone seems
to agree is the best of the digital gauge offerings. Keep up the good work - we
appreciate it. :D

[alexw]

.
Doug . . .

I'm pretty sure I responded to your message below.

My response must have been censored. :eek:



Hey Alex.....
Last time I looked my wife's name was Brenda NOT Alex.....yer pretty free with my money....:eek:
You cut the cheque Alex and I'll build you anything you want.....reality is you'll whimper, whine and wale about the "X" feature was not included or the "Y" feature should have more resolution and as you drive off in a new $35000 SUV that's NOT UPGRADEABLE and costs you $10,000/yr to keep on the road....and then you'll blast me that my $600 device that could MAKE you $5000/yr is not backward compatible to 1904 whilst your telling me 'maybe next generation we'll buy one!!!!;);)
When we brought out the 1100 the focus group said what EVER you do ... do not display SH and SC simultaneously.....you will have grossly overcharged and undercharged units all over the country!!! When we brought out the 1000 before that...90% of the techs new almost nothing about SH and SC. Pretty soon you'll want the Mollier Chart on there with mass flow in IP and Metric.;)

It costs me (and my wife) $400,000 per iteration and I gross $125/unit.....do the math Alex.....I'll build the next one with best features and components with EVERYTHING I've made from the sales from these previous units BUT you need to support me too partner....this is a TWO way street...I've taken not one red cent from this company in 20 years...or you can buy 6 Chinese made units/year and wonder everyday about the reliability/accuracy of the unit in hand....I'm just following your lead 'cause you're in the Drivers seat.....the market will determine what happens....:cool:

There, that felt better.....:p

PS. FYI the last Testo iteration cost them over $2M in NRE!!!:eek::eek::eek:
PPS. Thanx for the vote of confidence on our two designs....contempt prior to investigation is a self fulfilling prophecy.

[neophytes serendipity]

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Doug . . .

I'm pretty sure I responded to your message below.

My response must have been censored. :eek:

As long as the tone of your reply was similar to Doug's response to your post, I don't see why it should have been....

But he has a product to sell and you don't.

[itsiceman]

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Doug . . .

I'm pretty sure I responded to your message below.

My response must have been censored. :eek:Send it again :p
I'm sure it wasn't that bad.

I think a mod can only edit your post leaving the date and time and your mug shot still there ;)

And the evidence of who "censored" you would be at to bottom of the edited post.

If you resend it make sure you bring a g*n to the kn*fe fi*ht :eek:

Douglas got back on this one :D

[t527ed]

i'll take the 1250 with 2 of the spring clamps, where do i send the check.......:D

[cjett]

Doug,
I have the YJ digital gages and I'm very happy with them so far, except the thermistor coming loose from the strap the first time I used it. I'm wanting to know how the upgrade will be handled with them. Will I send them to you or Yellow Jacket or if it will be field installed? Any idea yet on cost and time frame to upgrade if they must be sent in?

Keep up the excellent work.

[kiwireeferman]

"....I sneak alot of equipment out the door with my 'war departments' knowledge and blessing...sort of. Tough to do when she's put up with the 38 year old 70s vintage vinyl flooring (yes it's bright orange) and the same vintage carpet." (quote)

Doug, don't get rid of the carpet and vinyl. Hasn't your wife told you that RETRO is "in"

On a serious note, I have a question about the 1000. In the unit options there are the following

PSI absolute....degrees F
PSI gauge.......degrees F
KPA absolute....degrees C I wonder why this was chosen for the Metric option rather than Bar with a negative value for vacuum.

[Doug Lockhart]

"....I sneak alot of equipment out the door with my 'war departments' knowledge and blessing...sort of. Tough to do when she's put up with the 38 year old 70s vintage vinyl flooring (yes it's bright orange) and the same vintage carpet." (quote)

Doug, don't get rid of the carpet and vinyl. Hasn't your wife told you that RETRO is "in"

On a serious note, I have a question about the 1000. In the unit options there are the following

PSI absolute....degrees F
PSI gauge.......degrees F
KPA absolute....degrees C I wonder why this was chosen for the Metric option rather than Bar with a negative value for vacuum.


Kiwi,
We had checked extensively and depending on the part of the world (of course NA is still stuck in the I-P era) this seemed to be the best.....when we sell enough units and go to a 'more user configurable' unit this will be changed to allow virtually any configuration...it's mostly software and with OLED displays (readable in direct sunlight) the lifetime is NOT there yet..we are devoted to build the best at the time.....
It's like HVAC/R...great to be on the leading edge of technology but not the bleeding edge....OLED displays (went to a show last week) are only about a years lifetime so they are OK in Japan for a cell phone...they only keep them for 6 months!!!)

[Profiler]

I lived in japan for three years. The only people there that keep their cell phone more than six months are the ones who arent filthy rich or own their own company...so about 7 people. :)

[Doug Lockhart]

I lived in japan for three years. The only people there that keep their cell phone more than six months are the ones who arent filthy rich or own their own company...so about 7 people. :)

Profiler,
My information must have been wrong as these guys (SIDs show in LA last week) told me the proliferation of OLEDs is extremely hampered by the limited lifetime (bout one year under normal use) and the only place they are presently used is Japanese cell phones in an appreciable quantity. He then explained that this was due to the fact they only keep them for a year, max!!

That being said....are they freaking bright.....beautiful....they are starting to use them in some vehicles.....apparently its the UV from sunlight that kills them so they are installed in the vehicles to protect them from the UV ?????

Anyway that is what I was told....
Hope it helps/clarifies the issue. If not, line up behind serendipity in Jan for a free shot...;)

[fcs]

Doug,

I like the scissor type, it looks easer to get in tight spaces. The main complaint I have with the fluke clamp is it can be a pain in a tight space.

[weber]

I have never had a problem getting mine on any unit I have worked on. Sometimes you need to turn it the slide it on, but never couldn't get it on.

[Profiler]

I was agreeing with you doug. :) I was saying theres probably 7 people in the country that keep their cell phone longer than six months. Japan is constantly coming out with new cell phones and everybody there has to have the brand new best one out. Some people there will get new phones every few months just because they can.





Profiler,
My information must have been wrong as these guys (SIDs show in LA last week) told me the proliferation of OLEDs is extremely hampered by the limited lifetime (bout one year under normal use) and the only place they are presently used is Japanese cell phones in an appreciable quantity. He then explained that this was due to the fact they only keep them for a year, max!!

That being said....are they freaking bright.....beautiful....they are starting to use them in some vehicles.....apparently its the UV from sunlight that kills them so they are installed in the vehicles to protect them from the UV ?????

Anyway that is what I was told....
Hope it helps/clarifies the issue. If not, line up behind serendipity in Jan for a free shot...;)

[itsiceman]

The problem with the wireless is that the additional cost of the software, and the additional accessories will drasticly increase the price!


Look at the Testo's, the added features of wireless almost double the price of the unit.

Has anyone tried a video baby monitor?

You could set the camera inside and point it at any gizmo you got and take the screen outside :cool:

[bustawrench1]

Hey Doug.....

Can you get me a set of gauges that will jump outta my truck and hook themselves up?? Would be nice if it had a scale for weighing in charge and could carry a 30# jug of freon also. :D :D :D

!

I'm holding out for a set that will drive themselves to job, fix the unit and get the ticket signed while I stay home and drink beer.......................oh wait, I forgot, that's called an apprentice......I've allready got one of those! :D

[EdC]

I love the DRSA, mine is in the RYG livery, all I would critique is the thermistor wire choice. I sleeved it inside a heavier jacket.
I would much prefer the wire type used on Cooper SH66.

Having a dual thermistor, and a backlight.. egads, what more can one want!

How about spare connectors? I'd make my own sensors.

Doug, its a great tool, I look forward to the mid-life upgrade soon.

[Doug Lockhart]

I love the DRSA, mine is in the RYG livery, all I would critique is the thermistor wire choice. I sleeved it inside a heavier jacket.
I would much prefer the wire type used on Cooper SH66.

Having a dual thermistor, and a backlight.. egads, what more can one want!

How about spare connectors? I'd make my own sensors.

Doug, its a great tool, I look forward to the mid-life upgrade soon.

Going to a colour keyed silicone jacket wire on the new stuff....pretty tough and a lot more temperature resistant (from a guy that uses a 50 year old O/A torch). There'll still be a velcro wrapper for the cord and a choice of a number of sensor combos....soon....

[weber]

Going to a colour keyed silicone jacket wire on the new stuff....pretty tough and a lot more temperature resistant (from a guy that uses a 50 year old O/A torch). There'll still be a velcro wrapper for the cord and a choice of a number of sensor combos....soon....

Doug loves to tease us, dont he!

[Twilly]

Twilli mad at YJ

[alexw]

.
Why are you mad at YJ? Twilli? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:



Twilli mad at YJ

[Twilly]

They took 30 days to put a transducer in Twilli's guages and broke the little clip that holds the cover on for the temp probe, Twilli owns Two sets.....

[Doug Lockhart]

They took 30 days to put a transducer in Twilli's guages and broke the little clip that holds the cover on for the temp probe, Twilli owns Two sets.....

Twilli,
Ping me direct on PM....

[Twilly]

Does ping mean email?

[itsiceman]

Does ping mean email?
Yes, That's makes it easier to pong you back :D

[alexw]

.
Doug . . .

Now that I'm into charge checking all day long in the Denver area I am looking at SH and SC many, many times a day. I like to look at both SH and SC whether it's a TXV or NON-TXV split AC system.

1) Why must we toggle between SH and SC rather than seeing both at the same time? Is there an engineering/technical reason? :confused: :confused: :confused:

2) I like the zero PSI routine for altitude. I assume that the evacuate and zero protocol will only have to be performed once. What could or would happen (besides an altitude change) to require doing the ZERO PSI protocol over again?

3) Do you have and kind of a best guess shipping date for the 1250? :) :) :) ;) I'm sure it's worth waiting for. :D


Hey Guys,
You can't read the SH and SC simultaneously but need to toggle the 'mode' key but you won't have to change/move the sensor.

Absolute zero for New Mexico, Colorado etc....you'll have to draw a 'perfect vacuum'; go into a psia/0F mode and press the 'zero' key for 4 seconds.....sample pressure will now be referenced as '0 psia'. Go back to psig/0F and you may see 2.2"Hg....as you are above sea level.

2008 is gonna rock.....:D

[Doug Lockhart]

.
Doug . . .

Now that I'm into charge checking all day long in the Denver area I am looking at SH and SC many, many times a day. I like to look at both SH and SC whether it's a TXV or NON-TXV split AC system.

1) Why must we toggle between SH and SC rather than seeing both at the same time? Is there an engineering/technical reason? :confused: Again Alex, if you send me a couple hundred thousand dollars I'll re-design whatever you need;)...the display for the SH an SC is the same segments so you can't see them simultaneously...plus you are either TEV or cap tube so technically you don't need both....

2) I like the zero PSI routine for altitude. I assume that the evacuate and zero protocol will only have to be performed once. What could or would happen (besides an altitude change) to require doing the ZERO PSI protocol over again? Drift in the transducers or wide temperature change in the transducers...

3) Do you have and kind of a best guess shipping date for the 1250? ;) I'm sure it's worth waiting for. :DHoping for July...re-worked the entire board after we re-did the firmware....I am a pain in the a$$ as I hate eating crow and re-doing things...you heard the old saying 'so if you didn't have time to do the job right the first time, just when were you going to find the time and money to fix the f---ing mess you left' ;):D:D:D:D

[I_bend_metal]

Doug....

Just ordered my first set of 1200's . . . . . Cannot wait to get them and see if they are as great as everyone says. Although through all of my research, on paper these are the best....as for word of mouth...well these are the best as well ;)

Looking forward to giving you hell about what kinds of new features I would like to see on them!

[alexw]

.
Doug . . .

Thanks for the explanations. I did not realize you had the display design cast in concrete so simultaneous SH/SC display is not happening. I can live with that if I can connect temperature sensors for both vapor and liquid lines and leave them connected. I hope the toggle back and forth is a quick operation as I learn a lot about how the system is or is not functioning by seeing both SH & SC. As you well know there is much which can and is wrong with many systems way beyond under/over charging.

Do you know about the TRANE Charge Assist device/system? :p :( :confused:




1) Why must we toggle between SH and SC rather than seeing both at the same time? Is there an engineering/technical reason? :confused: Again Alex, if you send me a couple hundred thousand dollars I'll re-design whatever you need;)...the display for the SH an SC is the same segments so you can't see them simultaneously...plus you are either TEV or cap tube so technically you don't need both....


Hoping for July...re-worked the entire board after we re-did the firmware....I am a pain in the a$$ as I hate eating crow and re-doing things...you heard the old saying 'so if you didn't have time to do the job right the first time, just when were you going to find the time and money to fix the f---ing mess you left' ;):D:D:D:D

[Doug Lockhart]

.
Doug . . .

Thanks for the explanations. I did not realize you had the display design cast in concrete so simultaneous SH/SC display is not happening. I can live with that if I can connect temperature sensors for both vapor and liquid lines and leave them connected. I hope the toggle back and forth is a quick operation as I learn a lot about how the system is or is not functioning by seeing both SH & SC. As you well know there is much which can and is wrong with many systems way beyond under/over charging.

Do you know about the TRANE Charge Assist device/system? :p :( :confused:

1) Alex...you've got to realize that the display is driven by hardware which is selected for certain features/power/etc which is in-turn driven by 80 pages of software code....each page is worth about $1500. Graphic display layouts with the gui interfaces cost about $250,000 just to get the interface done.
2) I never want to build a unit that 'tells me what is wrong with a system or OK you're charged'. The human element is a WAY smarter and more adept at deducing subtle changes, sounds and system nuances that a machine will never do. Also how the hell would I ever feed my family if I was told to stay home.
3) You DON'T want to know what I think of Trane :mad::mad::mad::mad::eek:

[mark beiser]

2) I never want to build a unit that 'tells me what is wrong with a system or OK you're charged'. The human element is a WAY smarter and more adept at deducing subtle changes, sounds and system nuances that a machine will never do

Not to mention that not all AC systems are perfectly factory matched and ARI rated systems with 400 CFM/ton of airflow over the indoor coil.
We have a lot of frankensystems with crappy duct systems in my neck of the woods.:rolleyes:

[alexw]

.
Doug . . .

OK . . . I understand the limitations (at least some of them) as to what you can do. And thank you very much I don't want an analyzer from you that tells me what to do. All I want is the temperatures, pressures, S/H and S/C at the condenser. If you get to the point where you can radio me the W/B and D/B temps from the air handler while I'm working at the condenser I'll give you a another gold star.:) :) :) :) :D

I wonder if I'd recognize any of the code in your software. My first introduction to code writing was using Beginners All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code . . . aka "BASIC" and later Fortran . . . on time share machines using model 44 teletypewriter terminals.

The reason I ask the TRANE question is that I evidently feel about the same as you. Among other things they should have invested in you instead of Charge Assist. . . . (Nuf said?) :mad:


1) Alex...you've got to realize that the display is driven by hardware which is selected for certain features/power/etc which is in-turn driven by 80 pages of software code....each page is worth about $1500. Graphic display layouts with the gui interfaces cost about $250,000 just to get the interface done.
2) I never want to build a unit that 'tells me what is wrong with a system or OK you're charged'. The human element is a WAY smarter and more adept at deducing subtle changes, sounds and system nuances that a machine will never do. Also how the hell would I ever feed my family if I was told to stay home.
3) You DON'T want to know what I think of Trane :mad::mad::mad::mad::eek:

[itsiceman]

.
If you get to the point where you can radio me the W/B and D/B temps from the air handler while I'm working at the condenser I'll give you a another gold star.:) :) :) :) :D

Al I see you calmed down ;)

Good posting :)




Do I get a Bozo button for the video baby monitor idea? :p

Or you could get one of those multi camera security systems cheap at sam's and even keep an eye on your ($$$$) stuff outside while your inside :cool:

[kiwireeferman]

Cool ideas, I think everyone must be saying to themselves " why didn't I think of that"
Go to the top of the class!

[Doug Lockhart]

.
Doug . . .

OK . . . I understand the limitations (at least some of them) as to what you can do. And thank you very much I don't want an analyzer from you that tells me what to do. All I want is the temperatures, pressures, S/H and S/C at the condenser. If you get to the point where you can radio me the W/B and D/B temps from the air handler while I'm working at the condenser I'll give you a another gold star.:) :) :) :) :D

I wonder if I'd recognize any of the code in your software. My first introduction to code writing was using Beginners All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code . . . aka "BASIC" and later Fortran . . . on time share machines using model 44 teletypewriter terminals.

The reason I ask the TRANE question is that I evidently feel about the same as you. Among other things they should have invested in you instead of Charge Assist. . . . (Nuf said?) :mad:

Alex,
The fun is in the journey not the destination as we will NEVER arrive my friend !!!!
We NEVER will have the right unit built....only neater and neater iterations on the journey there...perfection is impossible.....progress is attainable through support IF I supply enough features....on every iteration....AND you buy them ;)

[stevensondrive]

ok, I read through all the posts...headache!

how much $$ for the 1250 Doug?

being a cheapscate I am seriously looking at the prices of the 1200. :D

[alexw]

.
Doug . . .

I try very hard to do it right the first time! You are evidently trying very hard to come up with the best device you can given the financial reality of the situation.

I pay $$$$$$$ for things that work and make me efficient. I hate stuff that is oversold by marketing big mouths.

I like the short journey . . . i.e. fewer, not more, iterations. :D


Alex,
The fun is in the journey not the destination as we will NEVER arrive my friend !!!!
We NEVER will have the right unit built....only neater and neater iterations on the journey there...perfection is impossible.....progress is attainable through support IF I supply enough features....on every iteration....AND you buy them ;)

[snewman24]

Has anybody ever posted the interview that "somebody" did with Doug Lockhart
concerning the history and development of the Digi-Cool? I just stumbled upon it and thought it was interesting. I had no idea Doug had been developing and refining it for that many years. Also has pictures of the various models over the years.

[bustawrench1]

Has anybody ever posted the interview that Digital Zeus did with Doug Lockhart
concerning the history and development of the Digi-Cool? I just stumbled upon it and thought it was interesting. I had no idea Doug had been developing and refining it for that many years. Also has pictures of the various models over the years.


Last guy who mentioned that around here got Bant.:eek:

[snewman24]

Last guy who mentioned that around here got Bant.:eek:

There, is that edit better :rolleyes:

[Doug Lockhart]

Last guy who mentioned that around here got Bant.:eek:

The guys on HVAC-Talk support the industry, mechanics and training with a reasonable amount of restraint on the 'banning' thing.....
Try trying to talk to that 'sheep breeder' WebRam on the 'better because we're European' Blogsite...They'll castrate you for mentioning ANY other Blogsite...don't know what that's about....I guess they figure us guys in NA are so stupid we can't find the other Blogsites and thus can brainwash us....some really smart guys on there despite the moderators/owners intense ignorance..
Make's ya glad we bailed them out of 2 World Wars don't it...???:confused:

Anytime anyone wants to fire a question/concern..you can do so my any method...I'll get back to you right away and thanx for the support guys...:D

[snewman24]

...............................
Make's ya glad we bailed them out of 2 World Wars don't it...???:confused:
.................................................. .....................


Yea, and helped to protect them from Soviet domination thru the many Cold War years.

[beachtech]

how much for the 1250?

does it look the same as the 1200??

i am going to buy a new set sooner than i expected. its aggrevating about every other call i am purging my hoses!! 410a this house, 22 next or even both at one home!!!

[Swampfox]

Last guy who mentioned that around here got Bant.:eek:

Karma, he banned me from his crappy site a few years back, for very shady reasons :eek:

[I_bend_metal]

I was feeling your pain too beachy....but I made a mount in my service truck so that I could leave my nitrogen regulator on my smaller tank all the time. Now all I have to do it hook up and let her rip for a second....takes a minute or two, but is a real time saver in the long run.

[beachtech]

also projected cost of upgrade kit??

[beachtech]

I was feeling your pain too beachy....but I made a mount in my service truck so that I could leave my nitrogen regulator on my smaller tank all the time. Now all I have to do it hook up and let her rip for a second....takes a minute or two, but is a real time saver in the long run.

i am going to make it even easier on myself than that, and buy another set of dgitals :) one for 22 and one for 410a :) then i might buy a set for back up LOL

[jrbenny]

There, is that edit better :rolleyes:
No. It's not better.

Links to other HVAC discussion sites are not allowed by the owners here.

Yes, there are some great articles there.

However, no linking...even with the tiny url thingy.

Thanks.

[snewman24]

No. It's not better.

Links to other HVAC discussion sites are not allowed by the owners here.

Yes, there are some great articles there.

However, no linking...even with the tiny url thingy.

Thanks.

Then they need to add that specifically in the rules. I looked - it's not there....
and don't tell me it's covered under advertising.

[jrbenny]

Feel free to send Mike Weil an email.

Just doing as I've been instructed.

:)

[weber]

Oh come on Benny!:D



just kidding!

Beachy, send me the link please.

[itsiceman]

Last guy who mentioned that around here got Bant.:eek:

O No He Dihint :p

[itsiceman]

O No He Dihint :pOMG

Yes He Did

Good bye cruel world...........................










BANG..............................

[Doug Lockhart]

Feel free to send Mike Weil an email.

Just doing as I've been instructed.

:)

Hey Benny,
Since I'm just a dumb Canuck that works pretty much entirely on logic and not too much on (hopefully) ego; can someone in your organization explain to me EXACTLY what the reason is why you don't allow a link to another website/blogsite?

I'll reserve my comments until I hear what the reason is....:)

[weber]

Im still waiting on Doug to put me on his team, I have sold more digi-cool units this year then I have HVAC!;)

[Doug Lockhart]

Im still waiting on Doug to put me on his team, I have sold more digi-cool units this year then I have HVAC!;)
;) I think you're right...
We are getting caught up on the builds and setting up another CM with QC equipment so we can build from a minimum of two sites...It's the $hits to be an OCD man but it gets me yelled at a little less. Wanna fire out the 1600, 1200 and the 1250 with a maximum of a 1% fallout rate....
It's a lofty goal but it's gotta be done. We here for the long term with some pretty lofty long term goals....;)

[Doug Lockhart]

Im still waiting on Doug to put me on his team, I have sold more digi-cool units this year then I have HVAC!;)

You'll be the first to get Beta 'stuff'.....:D

[nextwave]

Okay, I read the thread...and I'm very much into supporting the smaller, more client focused company...but I'm left with a few questions:

(1) difference btw 1200 and 1250 digi

(2) does the digi come with a protective boot like the YJ

(3) what are the pros of digi over YJ

(4) where do I buy digi?

(5) when is 1250 available?

Thank you

[Swampfox]

Hey Benny,
Since I'm just a dumb Canuck that works pretty much entirely on logic and not too much on (hopefully) ego; can someone in your organization explain to me EXACTLY what the reason is why you don't allow a link to another website/blogsite?

I'll reserve my comments until I hear what the reason is....:)

Because this is a business for them, you dont advertise for Testo do you?

[bustawrench1]

There, is that edit better :rolleyes:

LOL!

Just a friendly warning bro.

Have a good one.:)

[itsiceman]

Just a friendly warning bro.


:D

Busta what ya say

Maybe it's a sixth sense but,

I hear banned people :p

[Dad]

Hey Benny,
Since I'm just a dumb Canuck that works pretty much entirely on logic and not too much on (hopefully) ego; can someone in your organization explain to me EXACTLY what the reason is why you don't allow a link to another website/blogsite?

I'll reserve my comments until I hear what the reason is....:)

Actually putting links in the body of posts or in signatures wasn't a big deal until some took advantage and advertised competitors of this site or their own link for profit. This went over like a lead balloon with the head honchos. Some of these posted links were benign while others were purposely mischievous or harmful to the general public such as DIY.

To be able to control such actions fairly all links pointing to competitors or sales areas to promote the posters bottom line were to be removed. Also to be fair they are allowed in your profile area. To be even more fair you may send others to your profile via post or non-advertising signature such as "I have an AC business in Texas, please see my profile for more info". All others must be deleted.

To advertise on this site you must follow the rules and contact "The Editor".

[Doug Lockhart]

Actually putting links in the body of posts or in signatures wasn't a big deal until some took advantage and advertised competitors of this site or their own link for profit. This went over like a lead balloon with the head honchos. Some of these posted links were benign while others were purposely mischievous or harmful to the general public such as DIY.

To be able to control such actions fairly all links pointing to competitors or sales areas to promote the posters bottom line were to be removed. Also to be fair they are allowed in your profile area. To be even more fair you may send others to your profile via post or non-advertising signature such as "I have an AC business in Texas, please see my profile for more info". All others must be deleted.

To advertise on this site you must follow the rules and contact "The Editor".

As moderators I would hope they would be able to intelligently discern the difference in between 'here's some information on a company/product/technology' and 'I do GHP heat pumps in your area'.
As for advertising and contacting the editor; actually, I did, and they never followed through with their/your commitment after I supplied far more than the single product for the draw/contest than it was agreed.!!!!:(:(:(:( I didn't call you a bunch of liars, opportunists or flakes but I am disappointed and left wondering why after I did as was asked plus a fair bit more, you never followed through with your commitment.:rolleyes:
All that being said, I talk with all of my competitors freely and openly and have to tell you that Testo kicks my a$$ on recording and a sexier looking product, the JB kicks my a$$ on price and size. The Refco and MasterCool kick my a$$ on price ALONE and I won't go into my other thoughts on what I think of their product application and quality. FYI my product is stocked in TrueTech Tools (Jim Bergmann's---Testo's USA representative's Father's business) warehouse right alongside the Testo product. Having side by side comparisons is what keeps me up till 10pm on the job and starting again at 5am innovating/refining new product...so you/your readers get better product next year....if I ever hide/am afraid of that, I will die a slow, lazy death corporately.
As far as being an advertiser...see the paragraph above AND let me say plainly and forcefully here my friends that my advertising dollars will only be spent where the truth is respected right alongside with the other product manufacturers. If information and free speech is suppressed in the less than altruistic 'defense of the rules' then that is not where I would drop a bucket of money on the advertising. On the other hand if gratuitous advertising is done my Joe Blow or Company X, yes I can see your point, but in the fervent attempt to defend the above I wouldn't tolerate the kind of anal stupidity that the European site cultivates......one will then only retain the same narrow minded, constricted minds and thus the gene pool gets washed completely out. IMHO that is why you have intelligent human beings as moderators and not software that completely wipes out the thread as soon as it detects a URL. The moderators make those decisions in a logical and intelligent manner.;):D

[Doug Lockhart]

Because this is a business for them, you dont advertise for Testo do you?

Is 'business' afraid of the truth and healthy competition?
Does your wholesaler only stock RYJ or are they allowed to put Robinair on the shelf next to it??? If your wholesaler puts out a flyer on a RYJ with my product in it does CPS or Robinair pull their product off the shelf.....GEEEEZE!

FYI I talk to Testo probably twice a week and have the phone numbers/email addys and talk to all of my competitors....helps to keep my head out of my a$$ and innovating new product.;)....that way you benefit from me keeping new stuff coming out.:D

[Swampfox]

The problem with the link that was taken down wasnt the information provided, it had numerous links to a competing forum on the page, if they werent there, I imagine it wouldnt have been taken down


I just looked at your site and dont see any links to Testo :)

[Doug Lockhart]

Okay, I read the thread...and I'm very much into supporting the smaller, more client focused company...but I'm left with a few questions:

(1) difference btw 1200 and 1250 digi The 1250 will have backlight, dual temp sensors for SC and SH as well as a 'absolute pressure zero' capability

(2) does the digi come with a protective boot like the YJ Yes and it is a different colour to respect RYJ colour scheme

(3) what are the pros of digi over YJ Same head but their's comes with the Titan manifold in a kit for a very good value

(4) where do I buy digi? I'm scared to put website, but contact me by email and I'll give you the two distributors numbers.

(5) when is 1250 available? I was supposed to have Beta units yesterday but since the NA electronics industry is basically imploding we are having problems getting components..I want to have product for you guys this spring....that's done today so I'll say by July now....

Thank you

As above in blue Nextwave...you can always contact me directly and call me on cell....Thanx for the interest......we working hard albeit not looking like we are.....:D

[Doug Lockhart]

The problem with the link that was taken down wasnt the information provided, it had numerous links to a competing forum on the page, if they werent there, I imagine it wouldnt have been taken down


I just looked at your site and dont see any links to Testo :)

I'm not a BLOG site either!!!!!!!!!:D

[Swampfox]

Touche' :D

Do you take trade in's? lol

not happy with the 523 I bought, first one lasted 2 weeks and had to be replaced under warranty, now 2 of the hose holders are broken, Im calling POS on this thing

[Doug Lockhart]

Touche' :D

Do you take trade in's? lol

not happy with the 523 I bought, first one lasted 2 weeks and had to be replaced under warranty, now 2 of the hose holders are broken, Im calling POS on this thing

Sure...what's your offer......?

[mech_head]

Touche' :D

Do you take trade in's? lol

not happy with the 523 I bought, first one lasted 2 weeks and had to be replaced under warranty, now 2 of the hose holders are broken, Im calling POS on this thing

Don't let weber hear you!:D

[Swampfox]

Sure...what's your offer......?

I may have it sold, I will be buying a digi-cool with the proceeds :)

[Dad]

Penton's non-compliance to an advertising issue is above our heads and can't be controlled by the mods or Mr. Admin unless there is request to him for help. Fortunately the moderators of this site to an excellent job of discerning what is or is not competition or misbehaved links.

Most of the rules of this site have intentional gray areas and were set up this way by the original owner Don Sleeth. This is why no one moderator can impose a questionable violation only those that are flagrant such as competitive links or DIY. There must be at least three Yea votes to carry out an infraction or post change/deletion that falls within a gray area. Only Mr. Admin may give an immediate ban unless a Spammer hits the site.

I do remember your contest and you did go above and beyond. It is news to me that Penton didn't follow through. Maybe a misunderstand of sorts? Not sure as I could only offer conjecture but it would be worth an effort to chat with Mike.

Hope this has been helpful.

[Doug Lockhart]

Swampfox-Email me if you want to trade/deal

[the editor]

As moderators I would hope they would be able to intelligently discern the difference in between 'here's some information on a company/product/technology' and 'I do GHP heat pumps in your area'.
As for advertising and contacting the editor; actually, I did, and they never followed through with their/your commitment after I supplied far more than the single product for the draw/contest than it was agreed.!!!!:(:(:(:( I didn't call you a bunch of liars, opportunists or flakes but I am disappointed and left wondering why after I did as was asked plus a fair bit more, you never followed through with your commitment.:rolleyes:
All that being said, I talk with all of my competitors freely and openly and have to tell you that Testo kicks my a$$ on recording and a sexier looking product, the JB kicks my a$$ on price and size. The Refco and MasterCool kick my a$$ on price ALONE and I won't go into my other thoughts on what I think of their product application and quality. FYI my product is stocked in TrueTech Tools (Jim Bergmann's---Testo's USA representative's Father's business) warehouse right alongside the Testo product. Having side by side comparisons is what keeps me up till 10pm on the job and starting again at 5am innovating/refining new product...so you/your readers get better product next year....if I ever hide/am afraid of that, I will die a slow, lazy death corporately.
As far as being an advertiser...see the paragraph above AND let me say plainly and forcefully here my friends that my advertising dollars will only be spent where the truth is respected right alongside with the other product manufacturers. If information and free speech is suppressed in the less than altruistic 'defense of the rules' then that is not where I would drop a bucket of money on the advertising. On the other hand if gratuitous advertising is done my Joe Blow or Company X, yes I can see your point, but in the fervent attempt to defend the above I wouldn't tolerate the kind of anal stupidity that the European site cultivates......one will then only retain the same narrow minded, constricted minds and thus the gene pool gets washed completely out. IMHO that is why you have intelligent human beings as moderators and not software that completely wipes out the thread as soon as it detects a URL. The moderators make those decisions in a logical and intelligent manner.;):D


Doug -- Sorry I didn't get involved in this earlier -- I'm on vacation in Alaska right now and am just checking on things before we head out the door for some Salmon fishing.

1. As the owners of this site, we've determined that linking of the site to competitive sites is counter productive to our investment here. We feel that to be fair, we can't only eliminate links to competitive sites, so we worked out what we felt is an equitable solution. No one can post links without my explicit approval. You can put links in your profile or you can invite people offline to share link info. We've been doing this for several years with few complaints.

2. Regarding your sending a request for advertising or information on it -- sorry -- I never received it. I respond to requests for advertising every day. Never got one from you. If you are still interested, let me know via email and I'll send you our media kit and have the appropriate sales rep contact you.

3. Regarding your comments in a different post about us being afraid of competition -- that's silly. We have competitors and we compete every day. As do you and everyone else on this site. If you invested in bringing in a trainer into your business, would you allow your competition to take part for free? I doubt it. We have a substantial investment in HVAC-talk and will work to protect and nurture that investment as we see fit. Please don't misunderstand -- I appreciate your comments and your opinions, and welcome more. I am simply responding to your comments .

My contact information is in my profile. Please feel free to call me or write me at any time. Well, maybe not in the next 9 days as I am on vacation.

Again, thanks for your comments.

[jim bergmann]

FYI my product is stocked in TrueTech Tools (Jim Bergmann's---Testo's USA representative's Father's business) warehouse right alongside the Testo product.

Actually, my father keeps them separated by 10 feet and keeps the Appion recovery machines between. We have go to keep the Testo line pure. No intermixing. :D

[Doug Lockhart]

Actually, my father keeps them separated by 10 feet and keeps the Appion recovery machines between. We have go to keep the Testo line pure. No intermixing. :D

If the the Appion's weren't there you know that the DCs are capable of 'mounting' any manifold :eek::eek:
Sorry.....couldn't let that one slide by....ME BAD...;)

[jim bergmann]

If the the Appion's weren't there you know that the DCs are capable of 'mounting' any manifold :eek::eek:
Sorry.....couldn't let that one slide by....ME BAD...;)

Careful there you have already been moderated, no need to get castrated also.

Although that is really close to the same thing. :D:D:D

[Doug Lockhart]

Careful there you have already been moderated, no need to get castrated also.

Although that is really close to the same thing. :D:D:D

The wife already had that done after the last daughter:eek::eek::eek:

[beachtech]

competition makes for good business ;)

doug, did you see my Q's ? thanks

weber, link??? lol

[beachtech]

If the the Appion's weren't there you know that the DCs are capable of 'mounting' any manifold :eek::eek:
Sorry.....couldn't let that one slide by....ME BAD...;)

LMAO!!!

[platchford]

As above in blue Nextwave...you can always contact me directly and call me on cell....Thanx for the interest......we working hard albeit not looking like we are.....:D

I must say, it is not every day you come across a product that is so fully-supported by the person developing it. I must have spent 30 minutes on the phone with Doug several weeks ago. He was more than willing to discuss the changes implemented in the 1250 and the various changes he was and has made during its development and how that has affected the timeline for its release. IMO this is very impressive given that I'll only be purchasing a single unit... its not as if I am a rep from a wholesaler or whatnot! :D I will admit, however, that if I'm happy with the unit that I'll try to get the rest of the company (all 2 of them) to buy one too. ;)

[Doug Lockhart]

competition makes for good business ;)

doug, did you see my Q's ? thanks

weber, link??? lol

Email me with your PH# or I'll call you after my ride today...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAwr7Vl37jU
My second addiction after DC!!

[mark beiser]

Not until April? Darn!:(

Now I really wish I had stayed in contact with you, after the AHR Expo in Dallas, about possibly getting to test new stuff.:o

[weber]

Don't let weber hear you!:D

Weber is a supporter of both products. The both have thier advantages, I recommend everyone buys two of both!


competition makes for good business

doug, did you see my Q's ? thanks

weber, link??? lol

Beachy, what link do you need? A place for others to purchase them?

www.trutechtools.com is an excellent place to pick up either product.

[weber]

how much for the 1250?

does it look the same as the 1200??

i am going to buy a new set sooner than i expected. its aggrevating about every other call i am purging my hoses!! 410a this house, 22 next or even both at one home!!!

Are these you questions you wanted Doug to answer?

I would guess the price is not availble yet intill they are going to hit the stores, but I bet they are higher then the 1200. I also wonder what the upgrade kit for the 1200 will cost.

I believe they will look the same with the exception of the new back light.

Its always good to have more then one set, I have more then one and use them all everyday.

[beachtech]

i have the trutech.com link :)

i am looking forward to having a back light display :) been on a few service calls at night lately ;)

[itsiceman]

If the the Appion's weren't there you know that the DCs are capable of 'mounting' any manifold :eek::eek:
Sorry.....couldn't let that one slide by....ME BAD...;)ROTFLMGDAO :D


Who's on top of that Canadian/German sandwich :p

I saw the testo all dressed up on the other "tech" site and she was a looker ;)
E-mail Jimmy B. Jr. for the link :)

Keep that Funky Cold Medina away from your Digi-Cools
And lock up your testo hotties at nite guys.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

Down Boy
Down :D

[Doug Lockhart]

Guys,
1) difference btw 1200 and 1250 digi The 1250 will have backlight, dual temp sensors for SC and SH as well as a 'absolute pressure zero' capability. They effectively from the outside look identical except for the dual temperature sensor...

(2) does the digi come with a protective boot like the YJ Yes and it is a different colour to respect RYJ colour scheme

(3) what are the pros of digi over YJ Same head but their's comes with the Titan manifold in a kit for a very good value

(4) where do I buy digi? I'm scared to put website, but contact me by email and I'll give you the two distributors numbers which are Trutech Tools and Shook Manuf. Products.

(5) when is 1250 available? I was supposed to have Beta units yesterday but since the NA electronics industry is basically imploding we are having problems getting components..I want to have product for you guys this spring....that's done today so I'll say by July now....


We will then also release the '1200/1250 upgrade kit' sometime after the 1250 gets released (within 2 months) We will have a new replacement transreflective LCD, LCD backlight, new PCB/firmware, new panel mount temp. sensor plug and new dual temperature sensor c/w options on type.

One thing I need to probably clarify and not to bore you guys with mundane bull$hit but 14 years ago I sat down with Mike M and Jim Bieden.....of Robinair to sell my units....they said that it was overbuilt, too many 'fiddly' features (bargraph and variable update) and too far ahead of it's time.....they elected to go with what was called the 41800 and the negative legacy still remains to this day...I could have/would have been a hundred miles ahead IF they had bought my unit and Robinair would have been....well you fill in the blanks.
Short version is I'll take it on the chin for not coming out right away but getting real techs to beta test/advise me on the units. Spending another $20-30,000 on 2nd try firmware/hardware revisions to get it right.....That way I ask for forgiveness on the late release NOT forgiveness on the ---ked up unit and completely lose my reputation....very important .... to me anyway.

[beachtech]

thanks doug :)

it was very nice talkig with you :)

i cannot wait till july :D

[weber]

Beachy, did you get mail?

[beachtech]

i got it ;)

[Doug Lockhart]

ROTFLMGDAO :D


Who's on top of that Canadian/German sandwich :p Remember Ypres, Passchendaele, Vimy.... ;-):)

I saw the testo all dressed up on the other "tech" site and she was a looker ;) That was done in 'come over to the other side' Calgary :eek:
E-mail Jimmy B. Jr. for the link :)

Keep that Funky Cold Medina away from your Digi-Cools Look out for Canuckleheads ;-)
And lock up your testo hotties at nite guys.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

Down Boy
Down :D

As above in orange ;-)

[Reeferman]

I saw the testo all dressed up on the other "tech" site and she was a looker ;) That was done in 'come over to the other side' Calgary :eek:

I guess that is why I won't get another Testo to test. Must not have liked the outfit. Maybe I should have put jackboots on it.

[weber]

I saw the testo all dressed up on the other "tech" site and she was a looker ;) That was done in 'come over to the other side' Calgary :eek:

I guess that is why I won't get another Testo to test. Must not have liked the outfit. Maybe I should have put jackboots on it.

The testo, shes a little slow, up have to give her some upgraded drinks to get her to put out any faster.......:D

[Doug Lockhart]

The testo, shes a little slow, up have to give her some upgraded drinks to get her to put out any faster.......:D

It'll speed up a little if you pull down hard on the head from the back side....:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[itsiceman]

Maybe I should have put jackboots on it.And a full face shield ;)

[Doug Lockhart]

I saw the testo all dressed up on the other "tech" site and she was a looker ;) That was done in 'come over to the other side' Calgary :eek:

I guess that is why I won't get another Testo to test. Must not have liked the outfit. Maybe I should have put jackboots on it.

Geeeeeze...coming from a guy that lives in a province that produces such 'dirty oil' you really should be listening to the 'high and mighty mayors' down south there Reeferman.!!!! Those Jackboots will help you either up out of the 'dirty black crude' or the bull$hit from the 'moralistic politicians' .... now there's an oxymoron!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Careful, next Quebec will be asking for bilingual crude...;) Oh...me BAAAD!

[Reeferman]

Geeeeeze...coming from a guy that lives in a province that produces such 'dirty oil' you really should be listening to the 'high and mighty mayors' down south there Reeferman.!!!! Those Jackboots will help you either up out of the 'dirty black crude' or the bull$hit from the 'moralistic politicians' .... now there's an oxymoron!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Careful, next Quebec will be asking for bilingual crude...;) Oh...me BAAAD!

I watched them on tv and they are going to cut out buying gas that comes from the so called "Dirty Oil" for all of their city units. This I really want to see. I guess they like Hugo and the rest of the whack #$%^ dictators around the world.
It just don't make sense to send 800 billion a year to the middle east for oil and then have to also pay to fight them. You just gotta love those metrosexuals Lockhart.

[itsiceman]

I hear Jeopardy music waiting for the 1250 release :rolleyes:

Will the 1600 be released at the same time?

Any info on a price of a 1600?

Will YJ have a 1600 set?



I know I know Don't beat me up :eek:

Somebody start a Digi-Cool DRSA-1600 thread :p

[Reeferman]

Just a few pictures of the newest 1250. Will have more soon.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/DSC04436.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/DSC04432.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/DSC04431.jpg

[HVAC2B]

Just a few pictures of the newest 1250. Will have more soon.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/DSC04436.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/DSC04432.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p45/r404a/DSC04431.jpg

damn thats sweet,how much and what kind of manifold is that?

[itsiceman]

One plug for two temp. probes?

[beachtech]

that 1250 is supposed to have 2 temp probes.... hhhmmmm

and what kind of manifold is that!! it looks way sweet!!!

[Doug Lockhart]

that 1250 is supposed to have 2 temp probes.... hhhmmmm

and what kind of manifold is that!! it looks way sweet!!!

4 pin connector/2 probes; one SH one SC...
The manifold is not there YET......;)

[weber]

4 pin connector/2 probes; one SH one SC...
The manifold is not there YET......;)

Doug Im still waiting for a test drive........

[ga-hvac-tech]

4 pin connector/2 probes; one SH one SC...
The manifold is not there YET......;)

So do I read between the lines that Doug is going to sell that manifold??? What kind of valves does it have in it? Just curious... And as I am sure folks will ask... when will it be ready, and how much ($)?

THX!

[Doug Lockhart]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You didn't see the manifold........pls disregard the bottom of the pictures....it's not there......it's a figment of your imagination......;)

[ga-hvac-tech]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You didn't see the manifold........pls disregard the bottom of the pictures....it's not there......it's a figment of your imagination......;)

Understand! I can live with a YJ Titan FOR A WHILE... :D

THX!

[Reeferman]

OOPS!!

[beachtech]

an old timer once told me, if you gotta ask how much you cannot afford it ;)

that sure is a nice setup, and the sight glass is see through! very nice! i been sick of this Y/J manifold for a while. the knobs are so iritating to use and the high side always leaks (bleeds) getting frustrated thinking about it :mad:

[itsiceman]

an old timer once told me, if you gotta ask how much you cannot afford it ;)

Same guy also told me

"If you have to ask how much you can't afford it"

and

"If you have to ask why you don't deserve it" ;)

Looking good Doug :)

[bdivell]

Doug, she is beautiful when will we see it on the shelves

[kiwireeferman]

How do you turn on the LCD lighting......no dedicated switch on the panel?

[Doug Lockhart]

How do you turn on the LCD lighting......no dedicated switch on the panel?

Hold the 'UNITS' key down for 4 seconds for B/L. To get a 'absolute zero' get into PSIA mode, draw a full DEEP vacuum and hit the 'ZERO' for 4 seconds...you now get 0 psia...Go back to normal psig and it'll read the barometric difference if you're in Denver, New Mexico etc.
You also can toggle the SH,SC with the separate temp sensors.;):D

[ga-hvac-tech]

Hold the 'UNITS' key down for 4 seconds for B/L. To get a 'absolute zero' get into PSIA mode, draw a full DEEP vacuum and hit the 'ZERO' for 4 seconds...you now get 0 psia...Go back to normal psig and it'll read the barometric difference if you're in Denver, New Mexico etc.
You also can toggle the SH,SC with the separate temp sensors.;):D

You gonna have to upgrade that picture soon Doug... :D:):cool: That pedestal is just not right... ;)

[mech_head]

new temp sensors are backwards compatible and available seperate right?

[weber]

What about the upgrade kit, will it come with clamp ons or wraps?

[Doug Lockhart]

What about the upgrade kit, will it come with clamp ons or wraps?

Temp sensors will be in a 4 pin plug so they are the same style but the two pin will not fit into the panel mount plug. The upgrade kit when released will include: new PCB, new LCD, LCD backlight, 4 pin panel mount plug for DRSA face and double velcro sensor. The double bar clamp or double scissor clamp will be able to be ordered at the same time for a discount in case you want the options...different sensors for different applications. (scissor for quick, bar clamp for low temp commercial etc.)
We tried to make it as financially feasible as possible for the mechanics and stay with the same platform. The price (approx $200) will not cover the R&D and parts so it is not a money maker for us...believe me.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Temp sensors will be in a 4 pin plug so they are the same style but the two pin will not fit into the panel mount plug. The upgrade kit when released will include: new PCB, new LCD, LCD backlight, 4 pin panel mount plug for DRSA face and double velcro sensor. The double bar clamp or double scissor clamp will be able to be ordered at the same time for a discount in case you want the options...different sensors for different applications. (scissor for quick, bar clamp for low temp commercial etc.)
We tried to make it as financially feasible as possible for the mechanics and stay with the same platform. The price (approx $200) will not cover the R&D and parts so it is not a money maker for us...believe me.

My only question is: When can I get an upgrade kit (with a set of scissor clamps)??? ;)

And when can I get that sexy piece of aluminum with 4 knockers... :D

[mark beiser]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You didn't see the manifold........pls disregard the bottom of the pictures....it's not there......it's a figment of your imagination......;)

To late, I want one!:p

[kiwireeferman]

Digi-Cool DRSA-1250........over 10 thousand views.

Is this a record? must be more popular than the second coming.

[itsiceman]

new temp sensors are backwards compatible and available seperate right?If I'm reading right the new clamps and 4 pin will not work on a 1200 unless you convert to 1250 upgrade :confused:

But that price why wouldn't you

[shallowluv]

I want 3 of each and will pre-order now. I don't know what you're talking about!:)

[beachtech]

If I'm reading right the new clamps and 4 pin will not work on a 1200 unless you convert to 1250 upgrade :confused:

But that price why wouldn't you

thats what i see too :)

i am deff going to upgrade to 1250 when the kit is available :)

[ga-hvac-tech]

Digi-Cool DRSA-1250........over 10 thousand views.

Is this a record? must be more popular than the second coming.

See Doug, I said you have a hit! Just get them to market... :)

BTW: I think you could charge a little more for the upgrade kit and the market would bear it (maybe 10% more)... The reason I suggest this is to get some more R&D $$$ into your company so next year we will have a DRSA 1275 come out with yet more cool features... :p

[Profiler]

it needs a tooth pick holder on it!

[itsiceman]

it needs a tooth pick holder on it!And a holder for an extra battery :cool:

[vq40de]

See Doug, I said you have a hit! Just get them to market... :)

BTW: I think you could charge a little more for the upgrade kit and the market would bear it (maybe 10% more)... The reason I suggest this is to get some more R&D $$$ into your company so next year we will have a DRSA 1275 come out with yet more cool features... :p

sound like apple computer:D

[ga-hvac-tech]

sound like apple computer:D

Yeah, I was kinda wondering if the post above was a good idea...:confused:

But I have talked to Doug many times, he is a good guy that truely wants to produce a GREAT product. I would gladly pay a few extra $$$ to assure the product is around for the long term, and that new models come out regularly. You know, that R&D costs BIG money, and the money comes from what we pay for the neat toys... ;)

IMO a person that really tries to step out from the crowd and produce a product above the rest, should be rewarded for their effort.

Also, I have learned over the years that usually one gets what they pay for... I would rather pay a little more and get more, than be penny wise and pound foolish.

Now if Doug would just get the new products out... but I understand what the hold-ups are, so we just wait... :(

[kiwireeferman]

Perhaps someone should tell Ritchie to view this tread to see what a manifold valve KNOB should look like.

Maybe this will send a rocket up their a*se.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Perhaps someone should tell Ritchie to view this tread to see what a manifold valve KNOB should look like.

Maybe this will send a rocket up their a*se.

I have had some problems with manifolds. I am not going to say this one or that, because one can see adds for different manifolds on this site... ;)

I just hope Doug's new manifold is as tuff as the DRSA's are. If it is, I will not have problems with manifolds anymore... :cool:

Hang in there Doug, you are doing a fine job!

[platchford]

Hmmm, so the 1250 still isn't out yet? Well, on the positive side of things it means I may actually have enough saved up by the time you get it released Doug. ;)

Sorry, can't help but tease you a bit about it. I am truly looking forward to its release though. :D

[Doug Lockhart]

Hmmm, so the 1250 still isn't out yet? Well, on the positive side of things it means I may actually have enough saved up by the time you get it released Doug. ;)

Sorry, can't help but tease you a bit about it. I am truly looking forward to its release though. :D

Platchford,
Yah, I gotta lot of egg on my face with the release of this....too fussy and too stupid to see the future.
I reworked the firmware ad nauseam but my biggest mistake was to always source product out of the USA or Canada. China is taking over the electronics industry (or Asia at least) so our sources our now closed out or them, themselves having to source from Asia. For example....6-8 week delivery.....they are pleased to report they are right on time with their 14 week delivery!!!, fastest in the industry....!!!!????:eek:
Geeze, we'd starve it we did that to OUR customers...
I think the elastomeric connectors are the last hold up and there are only two basic suppliers of this in the world.....yup I got my kneepads on for that supply too.!!
Thanx muchly for the patience....
We should be releasing a small run within 2 weeks.

[alexw]

.
Doug . . .

Will you by chance be at Comfortech 2008 in Atlanta where you could give us look at your latest and greatest? :)



Platchford,
Yah, I gotta lot of egg on my face with the release of this....too fussy and too stupid to see the future.
I reworked the firmware ad nauseam but my biggest mistake was to always source product out of the USA or Canada. China is taking over the electronics industry (or Asia at least) so our sources our now closed out or them, themselves having to source from Asia. For example....6-8 week delivery.....they are pleased to report they are right on time with their 14 week delivery!!!, fastest in the industry....!!!!????:eek:
Geeze, we'd starve it we did that to OUR customers...
I think the elastomeric connectors are the last hold up and there are only two basic suppliers of this in the world.....yup I got my kneepads on for that supply too.!!
Thanx muchly for the patience....
We should be releasing a small run within 2 weeks.